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I don't know about any one else but im tired of all this pc bullshit. I don't see why, just because im white, I can't make fun of a black guy. But he can make all the racial jokes he wants to about white folk. So in response to all this sensetivity about race I say... GET A SENSE OF HUMOR! Just because some one makes fun of your race dosen't make them a racist. Maybe if you had a sense of humor you'd know that. Equalitity and exceptance dosen't come from closing everthing down and not telling any one how you feel because you think they might think that your are a racist. It comes from being open in how you feel about others' races. Stereotypes can be fun. Not insultive. The sooner the world knows that the better they will feel about race realations.

BTW, I know this is a poorly worded and obviously poorly spelled conjumbling of words so there is no need to flame.

Yes PC is wrong. Why are we all afraid of being called racists, I could care less I say whats true wether it makes people feel bad or not. PC will be our downfall.

Don't worry, by the year 2015, it will be against the law to hurt anybody's feelings and by 2025 only a handful of emotions will be allowed such as STATEJOY and LOYALTY.

And then come the frontal lobotomies :good:

Don't worry, by the year 2015, it will be against the law to hurt anybody's feelings and by 2025 only a handful of emotions will be allowed such as STATEJOY and LOYALTY.
doubleplusbad!

It seems like PC focusess on words and not the actual meaning. You could go round using Ni**er or any other term and not mean anything derogatory. Just a term for a black man (Coloured, whatever - i'm not up on the pc terms!). Not a problem.

If someone uses whatever PC term is appropriate, but uses it in a derogatory manner than that is wrong.

Piss-taking out of others looks, culture, religion, name, etc is fun. Everybody knows that foreigners are funny! People need to calm down and treat life as fun.

Yeah I don't like political correctness. It seems to have reached horrific levels in America. What is wrong with saying "Merry Christmas"? Only very religious non-Christians don't celebrate the Christmas consumerfest.

I also am annoyed that people try to pin the PC movement on liberals. The idea of word police is absolutely anti-liberal.

I'm fine with racist things being considered wrong to say....Though, there is a difference between joking and being downright discriminatory.

....But who gets offended by being called Chairwoman or Actress? Actress sounds better than "Female Actor".

That is just ridiculous.

I'm fine with racist things being considered wrong to say....Though, there is a difference between joking and being downright discriminatory.

....But who gets offended by being called Chairwoman or Actress? Actress sounds better than "Female Actor".

That is just ridiculous.

They have got to you as well, and you don't even know it!

A person of either gender who chairs a meeting is a chairman. A woman who acts can be called an Actor or an Actress. 'Actor' does not even have the suffix 'man' to make it gender specific!

There is not a problem with having positions within society ending in -man which refer to both genders. People will start objecting to Woman & Human next....

I reallyhavent heard anybody with anything resembling contemporary progressive politics talking about political correctness for years. It's become something of a bugbear for conservatives to harass the left about when really the left has moved on in recent years.

UK Conservative leader M. Howard recently went on about freeing the police from political correctness. What he was talking about was stopping police from having to record details of every time the stop and search somebody.

Now, stop-and-search has been an important issue because of the massive discrepancy between the number of white people stopped and searched and the number of people from racial minorities. The importance of having to record who had been stopped, when and why, was that is was supposed to help prevent police acting solely on prejudice. Giving that being stopped and searched is an invasive use of state coercive power this is slightly more important than words. Yeah, people did get a little bit obsessed with language use back in the day...

I know a little about the mental health movement here in the UK, for a while they were focussed on avoiding what were seen as derogatory terms 'nutter' 'schizo' 'looney' but recently, element within the movement have focussed on 'recapturing' terms such as Mad and attempting to imbue them with a postive sense of identity. (this is in a similar manner to the reappropriation of terms such as ******, dyke or queer by minority groups)

What it is important to consider is the history behind a large number of lingusitic terms. These things dont just pop out of the ether wholly formed. Words have a history behind them. They are also set in the context of divided societies with a history of oppression. the dualisms black/white, man/woman, straight/gay and even sane/insane are problematic precisely because one side of that dualism has been traditionally valourised by society whilst the other has been demonised, oppressed and mistreated.

It is to this extent that the terms cannot be treated interchangably, and can be said to have different ownership or use restrictions (for example why a black person can call themselves or other black people they know '******' but a white person can't). Ideally, this wouldnt be the case, and there wouldnt be any oppressed or disadvantaged groups in society, and these terms would ONLY THEN be simple objective labels but face up to it, there are disadvantaged groups on the other side of the dualism, and these terms are not without meaning derived from that context. What is defined as racist comes out of this history - thats where the important issues lie, the debate over language that went on for ages was, to be honest, a mistake, it missed the real issue of disparity of power.

There is not a problem with having positions within society ending in -man which refer to both genders. People will start objecting to Woman & Human next....People have, some time ago (mid 1970's). Womyn and such are the not quite demanded terms.

You get five hundred years of servitude, slavery, and subjegation, they get thirty years of using the word "cracker" more often... and you're the one complaining?

They have got to you as well, and you don't even know it!

A person of either gender who chairs a meeting is a chairman. A woman who acts can be called an Actor or an Actress. 'Actor' does not even have the suffix 'man' to make it gender specific!

There is not a problem with having positions within society ending in -man which refer to both genders. People will start objecting to Woman & Human next....

Ahhh! They're inside my head! Help!!!

:D

doubleplusbad!

doubleplusungood (you got to get this newspeak thing down in order to be more of a blackwhite goodthinker)

These things dont just pop out of the ether wholly formed. Words have a history behind them. They are also set in the context of divided societies with a history of oppression. the dualisms black/white, man/woman, straight/gay and even sane/insane are problematic precisely because one side of that dualism has been traditionally valourised by society whilst the other has been demonised, oppressed and mistreated.

Surely having words as un-pc it means that those who wish to be offensive have ammunition. If the oppressive elements were stripped away due to social acceptance of these words (as with ****** or queer within their respective communities), then those wishing to cause offence would have to find something else.

Oh for the love of ....

What are you ... 14? Or have you been living under a rock for the last decade?

The PC movement died a while ago. It's not even good for jokes anymore!

Yeesh ...

I'm more concerned with the fact that I can watch Putt-Putt Golf championships on ESPN2.

Surely having words as un-pc it means that those who wish to be offensive have ammunition. If the oppressive elements were stripped away due to social acceptance of these words (as with ****** or queer within their respective communities), then those wishing to cause offence would have to find something else.

I dont think I disagree with you here. Problem is, this (social acceptance) can only happen fairly organically, and may not actually be possible.

One problem suggests itself, there is no non-subjective definition of offensive, it's really all down to the person who is offended, so this might raise problems.

I think in line with my original argument, I would have to say that social acceptance would be impeded by the history of usage of these terms. But as I said before, the focus shouldnt be on the language but on the oppression and subjugation.

Don't worry, by the year 2015, it will be against the law to hurt anybody's feelings and by 2025 only a handful of emotions will be allowed such as STATEJOY and LOYALTY.

So we will be like Canada?