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So could any Brits here give me some prompters on British dayly life, culture, politics, please?

The various places in Britain have quite different feels and regional identities. Whereabouts are you thinking of moving. (Don't move to London. It's a dump).

Well, i'm not British, but from what I hear, there's no need to bathe over there. Deodorant is a quick alternative used by many of them.

(Hehehe, J/K)

Well, i'm not British, but from what I hear, there's no need to bathe over there. Deodorant is a quick alternative used by many of them.

(Hehehe, J/K)Ignore the convict. :D

Come on over, the more the merrier, where are you coming from and I'll try and explain some differences.

One tip though

Leicester is pronounced Lester

where are you coming from

The USA. My dad's job may get transferred there

Well, i'm not British, but from what I hear, there's no need to bathe over there. Deodorant is a quick alternative used by many of them.

(Hehehe, J/K)

Its all true! That and dentists earn a pittance as no-one ever goes to them.

(seriously where did the stereotype of the english having bad teeth come from?)

The various places in Britain have quite different feels and regional identities. Whereabouts are you thinking of moving. (Don't move to London. It's a dump).
Let me guess.You're a northerner?????
:mp5:

The USA. My dad's job may get transferred there
do you know where abouts in Britain it'll be if you do move?

Let me guess.You're a northerner?????
:mp5:
and what's wrong with being a northener?! *cough*poncy southerner*cough*

London is a great place. It's expensive, yes, back thanks to our socialist Mayor, the city is improving a lot and public transportation is very good these days.

Ignore the convict. :D

Hehehe.

Its all true! That and dentists earn a pittance as no-one ever goes to them.

(seriouly where did the stereotype of the english having bad teeth come from?)

I'm not sure where that came from. From what I see, it fits Canadians more. Especially French Canadians....

(J/K again :D)

I am filled with envy, Superpower. Filled, do you hear me!?!

Filled.

and what's wrong with being a northener?! *cough*poncy southerner*cough*
Nuthin' wrong with 'em.My dads Scottish,so thats even more northern than YOUSE!!
Its just typical for a Northerner to say Something like that,thats all.
I embrace all cultures/religions/races-
Countries/Borders/regions only exist in our heads.

Nuthin' wrong with 'em.My dads Scottish,so thats even more northern than YOUSE!!
Its just typical for a Northerner to say Something like that,thats all.
I embrace all cultures/religions/races-
Countries/Borders/regions only exist in our heads.

Haha. Your difference between northerner and southerner is only an hour or two trip through the countryside, right?

Depends where you draw the line, for me the true line is Watford, not the Watford gap. North of that is North (We don't want Birmingham or Milton Keynes...)

Let me guess.You're a northerner?????
:mp5:Midlander. I look down on Southern shandy drinking tory voters and Northern flat cap wearing lard eaters. :D

London is a great place. It's expensive, yes, back thanks to our socialist Mayor, the city is improving a lot and public transportation is very good these days.
Yeah.you said it.You know,they keep saying on the news how London is gonna get it sooner or later by Muslim Terrorists.....
and I think "Fuck it,I STILL wouldn't move up north!"
;)

Haha. Your difference between northerner and southerner is only an hour or two trip through the countryside, right?
the Midlands actually

Yeah.you said it.You know,they keep saying on the news how London is gonna get it sooner or later by Muslim Terrorists.....
and I think "Fuck it,I still wouldn't move up north!"
;)
there's nothing wrong with the North! i love where i live!

Haha. Your difference between northerner and southerner is only an hour or two trip through the countryside, right?
Not if you are travelling from London.It takes 2 hours to get OUT of London on Public Transport.
On a GOOD day

the Midlands actually

That's still pretty small :)

Not if you are travelling from London.It takes 2 hours to get OUT of London on Public Transport.
On a GOOD day

So I'd assume the traffic there is pretty bad?

If you are going to be in England check out

Watching the English: The Hidden Rules of English Behavior by Kate Fox - I wish someone had given it to me when I moved here - alas it was only written last year. Still if 12 years of experience can be trusted I think she is pretty dead on.

So I'd assume the traffic there is pretty bad?
In London? well....yes.Is this where you are moving to?

Not if you are travelling from London.It takes 2 hours to get OUT of London on Public Transport.
On a GOOD day

Heh. That's about the same in my city (about an hour and a half), but its a lot smaller (well...we had the olympics once! and we've got the next commonwealth games...and thats about it) Half of the trains here are routinely cancelled too. Damn privatisation.

So I'd assume the traffic there is pretty bad?
no i think he drove through peoples back gardens in order to avoid congestion charging and got stuck.

seriously, move to Leicester... great place but i like London most.
one prompter for you is that Londoners see anybody who lives north of them as Northerners and anybody who lives south of them as Southerners. guys, London isn't the centre of England. i think that might be the Midlands.

and another book is "how to be a Brit" by George Mikes i think.

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
1: Bloody Sunday. For those of you who haven't heard of it, on January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971. No violence, no riots. Just a peaceful march. My uncle commited suicide after hearing about what happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.
3: Tony Blaire has sided with George W. Bush in this "War on Terrorism" when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything (watch this movie http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/1001/89/index.php?t=1092839513)
Sorry about the length of this post. It's kinda emotional. But in summary, dont move to London, because the British are a load of fascist warmongers.

Midlander. I look down on Southern shandy drinking tory voters and Northern flat cap wearing lard eaters. :D
North of Watford then, whippet walker, here's a fiver, buy yourself a house...

Luv ya really

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
1: Bloody Sunday. For those of you who haven't heard of it, on January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971. No violence, no riots. Just a peaceful march. My uncle commited suicide after hearing about what happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.
3: Tony Blaire has sided with George W. Bush in this "War on Terrorism" when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything (watch this movie http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/1001/89/index.php?t=1092839513)
Sorry about the length of this post. It's kinda emotional. But in summary, dont move to London, because the British are a load of fascist warmongers.
Heres an idea.Instead of bringing up the past how about suggesting a solution "Causing trouble"? -Explain??

Ach, shut yer bloody mouth. I may not agree with a lot that my country does but I'll tell ye this, lad, it's a damn sight better than most of 'em!

Haha. Your difference between northerner and southerner is only an hour or two trip through the countryside, right?

Depends. Took us eight hours from Manchester to Cornwall. Bloody long drive, mate.

when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything.

Hmm.

:confused:

Ach, shut yer bloody mouth. I may not agree with a lot that my country does but I'll tell ye this, lad, it's a damn sight better than most of 'em!



Depends. Took us eight hours from Manchester to Cornwall. Bloody long drive, mate.

Done that before. Eight hours from Melboune to Adelaide :)

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
blah...blah...blah.

Wow, here is someone who has really taken time to step back and take an objective view on the situation.....NOT

There are no angels on either side in Ireland, although the Bloody Sunday massacre was unforgivable, there have been many atrocities since and before to pick 2....Warrington, Omagh, etc
To pick the British as war mongering......check out the million people who marched upon London at the start of the recent war.....check out the big vietnam demos of the late sixties......and dont pidgeon-hole us Brits as war mongerers........we are one of the most multi-cultural, diverse and mixed societies you could ever hope to find in the world.......

thats possibly why people from all over the world come here and love to express there views here

put that in your pipe and smoke it

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
1: Bloody Sunday. For those of you who haven't heard of it, on January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971. No violence, no riots. Just a peaceful march. My uncle commited suicide after hearing about what happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.
3: Tony Blaire has sided with George W. Bush in this "War on Terrorism" when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything (watch this movie http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/1001/89/index.php?t=1092839513)
Sorry about the length of this post. It's kinda emotional. But in summary, dont move to London, because the British are a load of fascist warmongers.Despite the fact that the Republican movement has made it clear again and again that it's the British state that's the enemy, not the British working class. Fucking counter-revolutionary shamrock fascist.

Our country may be smaller than the USA, yes, but our weather is a lot less extreme (if you ignore the '87 hurricane). However having said that half of Cornwall has just been washed out to sea owing to rain, but generally, you won't end up with the extremes you can get in your homeland. Oh and the whole north/south thing - don;t get confused, it's a bit like New Yorkers/Texans. New Yorkers think that Texans are red-necked hicks, whereas Texans think New Yorkers are soft city slickers. Except in this country the south is the witty urbane part... and London rules. And you shouldn't be driving in London anyway - that's the whole point of congestion charging. London has plenty of decent public transport. Just don't move to some poxy vilage up north. I did and now if I want to catch a bus it involves days of planning. Seriously! We get like 10 buses a day - 5 on sundays - although that's a moot point as everything shuts down on sundays. Oh, and it all stinks of manure and they speak a form of English so far removed from standard english it's like another langage. Still, you're American, so should get on fine...

Come to Telford. Come to life.









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No really. There're a few Americans here. Heck, nobody's a native to Telford, they all moved here at some point. I, am from Mars.
It's traditional in British society to walk on hot coals every Saturday, eat so much you throw up on Sunday, work all day during the week, and drink so much at nights you need your stomach pumped, then before you go to bed, you have to poke yourself with needles till you bleed. Not that I want to worry you, but these traditions are also the law, and if you don't follow them you'll be hung. Or possibly badgered. Also, watch out for some of the British sense of humour. Some variants are rather unusual.

So could any Brits here give me some prompters on British dayly life, culture, politics, please?

Daily life - probably not that different from American daily life. Get up, go to work/school, come home, eat, lark around, go to sleep. Sometimes varies at weekends.
Culture - Probably pretty much the same. Not much I can really say.
Politics - There's an ongoing row between Labour and Conservative (the two main parties) over Blair's involvement in Iraq and his various ways of getting more money out of taxpayers/students etc. Increasingly, the Liberal Democrates (Lib Dems) are coming out as the safe in-betweener, but they haven't been in power for ages (like, since 1940 I *think*) so we're not sure if they'll be as good as it seems at running the country. Just don't vote BNP - they're a Neo-Nazi rascist Britain-for-British party who plan forced deportations of all ethnic minorities if they ever get in power.

One tip though....Leicester is pronounced Lester

Same with Worcester (said Wuster). And Edinburgh is pronounced Edinborough (not Edinberg).

Hope that helps. The first bit is just my opinion, of course, so it can easily be viewed differently by people in other circumstances.

Liberal Democrates (Lib Dems) are coming out as the safe in-betweener, but they haven't been in power for ages (like, since 1940 I *think*)

I think it may even be as far back as WW1. You know, when they blundered that up and the Conservatives came and helped them.

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
1: Bloody Sunday. For those of you who haven't heard of it, on January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971. No violence, no riots. Just a peaceful march. My uncle commited suicide after hearing about what happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.
3: Tony Blaire has sided with George W. Bush in this "War on Terrorism" when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything (watch this movie http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/1001/89/index.php?t=1092839513)
Sorry about the length of this post. It's kinda emotional. But in summary, dont move to London, because the British are a load of fascist warmongers.

1.Bloody Sunday was a mistake of epic proportions, so were the shootings on Gibralter, so were the concentration camps in South Africa, so were a lot of things that the British have done over the years. Sorry about your uncle commiting suicide. I almost lost an uncle in 1983 to the American supported drug running IRA.

2.The American revolution is different on so many different levels to the issue with Northern Ireland. Here's 2 to start with...
Most of the population of Norther Ireland want to be part of Britain.
Everyone in Northern Ireland gets representation in the Houses of Parlament

3. I disaagree with the war in Iraq and would have done things diffferently but to claim that Saddam has done nothing wrong is a blatent lie.

As to your claim that all Brits are facist warmongers it's no more true than claiming all Catholic Irish are baby killing drug dealing terrorists.

Yes you're being emotional, yes so am I. I've tried to be more reasonable.

Just don't move to some poxy vilage up north. I did and now if I want to catch a bus it involves days of planning. Seriously! We get like 10 buses a day - 5 on sundays - although that's a moot point as everything shuts down on sundays. Oh, and it all stinks of manure and they speak a form of English so far removed from standard english it's like another langage. Still, you're American, so should get on fine...
Not everywhere in the north is like that! Buses here run every 7-8 minutes and the trams run along the prom every 10 minutes here! And it definately doesn't stink of manure here! Just fresh sea air! and as for the language thing, it isn't that bad here, we may not be right posh but we still talk proper English and at least we don't put random 'r's in words like grass and bath

hat happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.


Err... yeah... which is why the DUP is the largest party in Northern Ireland? :rolleyes:
Most people from Northern Ireland are happy as part of the UK. Ignore the nationalist, it's a minority.

I think it may even be as far back as WW1. You know, when they blundered that up and the Conservatives came and helped them.

Nah. When Winston Churchill came to power in 1940 it was the Libs (his former party) who he beat. Llyod-George's foolish agreements with Hitler and all. Come to think of it, he might have then been beaten by them in 194....5?

*Goes off to check*

Its all true! That and dentists earn a pittance as no-one ever goes to them.

(seriously where did the stereotype of the english having bad teeth come from?)

Dentists earn a fourtune as there arent many of them people queued up for 20 hours in some places to register with a dentist

If you go to live in the north of england, make sure you have a flat cap, a pipe, hair growing out of your ears, rickets, and a whippet under your arm. I live in Sheffield, and I see them all the time, I tell you!

Not everywhere in the north is like that! Buses here run every 7-8 minutes and the trams run along the prom every 10 minutes here! And it definately doesn't stink of manure here! Just fresh sea air! and as for the language thing, it isn't that bad here, we may not be right posh but we still talk proper English and at least we don't put random 'r's in words like grass and bath

may not be right posh is how you "talk" proper english?

hehe. Sorry, couldnt resist. You can fire one right back at me now. :p

hair growing out of your ears

LMAO. I have a brit politics lecturer who has hair growing out of his ears. I'm going to ask him if he's a northerner.

I think it may even be as far back as WW1. You know, when they blundered that up and the Conservatives came and helped them.

Seems we're both right. Lib's last time in power was 1915, but there were "Coalitions" and "National Goverments" in between, up to the 1950s...

Not everywhere in the north is like that! Buses here run every 7-8 minutes and the trams run along the prom every 10 minutes here! And it definately doesn't stink of manure here! Just fresh sea air! and as for the language thing, it isn't that bad here, we may not be right posh but we still talk proper English and at least we don't put random 'r's in words like grass and bath

That's the other thing that never ceases to amuse me about living in the north, is that they think their REGIONAL DIALECT is the correct way to speak english.

Seems we're both right. Lib's last time in power was 1915, but there were "Coalitions" and "National Goverments" in between, up to the 1950s...

Sounds about right, I remember reading about coalitions.

may not be right posh is how you "talk" proper english?

hehe. Sorry, couldnt resist. You can fire one right back at me now. :p
sorry, this whole thing is making me go more and more Northern (i blame my parents, they grew up in Yorkshire, i sometimes start with the accent and say things like they would)

That's the other thing that never ceases to amuse me about living in the north, is that they think their REGIONAL DIALECT is the correct way to speak english.
innit.

That's the other thing that never ceases to amuse me about living in the north, is that they think their REGIONAL DIALECT is the correct way to speak english.

My grandparents live in Cheshire, and I don't think I could even being to spell some of the things they come out with. I can barely say them...

That's the other thing that never ceases to amuse me about living in the north, is that they think their REGIONAL DIALECT is the correct way to speak english.
i'm not necassarilly saying that Lanky twang is the proper way to speak, however i do think the whole random 'r' thing is really stupid, southerners just sound like arses when they say marster or barth

That's the other thing that never ceases to amuse me about living in the north, is that they think their REGIONAL DIALECT is the correct way to speak english.

Virtually every part of Britain thinks that their dialect is the right one :)

The only correct English is Oxford English, isn´t it. But who really speaks it? Well, probably Tony Blair.

innit.
as far as i know only Mancunians say that

1.Bloody Sunday was a mistake of epic proportions, so were the shootings on Gibralter, so were the concentration camps in South Africa, so were a lot of things that the British have done over the years. Sorry about your uncle commiting suicide. I almost lost an uncle in 1983 to the American supported drug running IRA.

2.The American revolution is different on so many different levels to the issue with Northern Ireland. Here's 2 to start with...
Most of the population of Norther Ireland want to be part of Britain.
Everyone in Northern Ireland gets representation in the Houses of Parlament

3. I disaagree with the war in Iraq and would have done things diffferently but to claim that Saddam has done nothing wrong is a blatent lie.

As to your claim that all Brits are facist warmongers it's no more true than claiming all Catholic Irish are baby killing drug dealing terrorists.

Yes you're being emotional, yes so am I. I've tried to be more reasonable.
You I can relate to. The other two are bieng as big a dicktard as i realize i just was putting a post like that. I realize that the IRA aren't at all going about this the right way (I do not support killing innocent protestants/bombings of civilians). And I am sorry, I shouldn't have been so general twords the British. I meant twords the upper class, and twords the goverment (moreso twords the goverment.) I thank you for bieng MORE then reasonable in your post, as i belive, if I had been on the other side of the issue, i'd be far less reasonable. Also, when i said saddam has done nothing wrong, i meant that none of our claims against him were correct. If you watched the link i supplied, you might have understood a little better where I was coming from. And so, in general, I am sorry for such an irrational post; but I'm glad i made it because i got a better view twords the opposing arguemnt. I still think that the Northern Irish who want to be part of Britain should move there, but that's not very practical. Honestly, the war between Britain and Ireland is as much a waste of life as the war in Iraq. Good post, man.

That's the other thing that never ceases to amuse me about living in the north, is that they think their REGIONAL DIALECT is the correct way to speak english.As opposed to Southerners who think that speaking like Dick Van Dyke is the way forward. (Do we reckon any threads about UK culture are going to end up like this? ;))

as far as i know only Mancunians say that
No. Londoners too.watch Eastenders,Innit.

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
1: Bloody Sunday. For those of you who haven't heard of it, on January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971. No violence, no riots. Just a peaceful march. My uncle commited suicide after hearing about what happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.
3: Tony Blaire has sided with George W. Bush in this "War on Terrorism" when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything (watch this movie http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/1001/89/index.php?t=1092839513)
Sorry about the length of this post. It's kinda emotional. But in summary, dont move to London, because the British are a load of fascist warmongers.


You are a moron. You are taking the acts of a handful of people and using it to generalise an entire population of aroud 64 million. There will always be people in a military that are bloodthirsty enough to shoot at, mame, rape,or whatever on civilians. Thats why alot of people join, because they are bloodthirsty. Every government will cover up the acts of its troops to make it look better.

Saddam didn't do anything? You must be an even bigger moron if you think
-Gassing Kurds
-Letting offspring roam around randomly raping women
-imprison and torture people for mostly no reason
Is "Didn't really do anything"

How can the British be fascists if the Prime Minister is voted in by a democracy and the people of all religion and cultures are allowed into the nation?

Give me one example of warmongering before 1900.

i'm not necassarilly saying that Lanky twang is the proper way to speak, however i do think the whole random 'r' thing is really stupid, southerners just sound like arses when they say marster or barth

And northerners sound uneducated and simple the way they have trouble with the idea that the letter A has long and short pronunciation. Name calling over language is something everyone can do, and it serves no purpose.

You are a moron. You are taking the acts of a handful of people and using it to generalise an entire population of aroud 64 million. There will always be people in a military that are bloodthirsty enough to shoot at, mame, rape,or whatever on civilians. Thats why alot of people join, because they are bloodthirsty. Every government will cover up the acts of its troops to make it look better.

Saddam didn't do anything? You must be an even bigger moron if you think
-Gassing Kurds
-Letting offspring roam around randomly raping women
-imprison and torture people for mostly no reason
Is "Didn't really do anything"

How can the British be fascists if the Prime Minister is voted in by a democracy and the people of all religion and cultures are allowed into the nation?

Give me one example of warmongering before 1900.

Luckily for all of us :D, I think he just apologised before you posted that.

Sorry. Britain (Assuming you mean England - Scotlands pretty good too) is a great place to move to. I'm sure if you do you will enjoy life there.

Give me one example of warmongering before 1900.

I can!

Australian aboriginal genocide.
The Hundred years war.
India.
China.

I've given 4. You might call 3 of them imperialism, but same thing really.

ARGH!
Now my time to apologise for not reading your prior posts. Sorry.

No. Londoners too.watch Eastenders,Innit.

Ali G says it too, aiight?

Ali G says it too, aiight?
For Real,innit.
Boyakashhaa!!

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
1: Bloody Sunday. For those of you who haven't heard of it, on January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971. No violence, no riots. Just a peaceful march. My uncle commited suicide after hearing about what happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.
3: Tony Blaire has sided with George W. Bush in this "War on Terrorism" when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything (watch this movie http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/1001/89/index.php?t=1092839513)
Sorry about the length of this post. It's kinda emotional. But in summary, dont move to London, because the British are a load of fascist warmongers.

I sense theres alot of bad blood here. You're Irish right? So i can understand how you feel about bloody sunday, but that was a long time ago its not like tony blair who was either not born or at least very young at the time told the soldiers to open fire. I could say "Dont move to northern ireland, there are evil terroists, the loyalists shout at the little girls walking to school. If you dont like being part of the UK move to the roi and leave me alone" But im not going to, you should be more open minded, london has a socialist mayor and had the biggest anti-war protest in the world. Blair is all that has stopped Bush nuking anyone who looks at him funny, and kicking the crap out of the french while he's at it. *mumbles* bloody irish tosser

as far as i know only Mancunians say that
I have never said 'innit' in my life (and don't think I have heard anyone else say it, unless they're taking the piss).

Maybe we should write out a lexicon for our freind to the west.

Dentists earn a fourtune as there arent many of them people queued up for 20 hours in some places to register with a dentist

er, yes i know, i'm from britain and was schooled in the art of sarcasm from an early age.

Although quite a few people from britain tend to call it irony, i dont know why, its totally different to sarcasm.

I have never said 'innit' in my life (and don't think I have heard anyone else say it, unless they're taking the piss).

Maybe we should write out a lexicon for our freind to the west.
i've heard plenty of people in Manchester say it, although they were all townies

I have never said 'innit' in my life (and don't think I have heard anyone else say it, unless they're taking the piss).

Maybe we should write out a lexicon for our freind to the west.
You just said it
(Cheap shot!!)

You I can relate to. The other two are bieng as big a dicktard as i realize i just was putting a post like that. I realize that the IRA aren't at all going about this the right way (I do not support killing innocent protestants/bombings of civilians). And I am sorry, I shouldn't have been so general twords the British. I meant twords the upper class, and twords the goverment (moreso twords the goverment.) I thank you for bieng MORE then reasonable in your post, as i belive, if I had been on the other side of the issue, i'd be far less reasonable. Also, when i said saddam has done nothing wrong, i meant that none of our claims against him were correct. If you watched the link i supplied, you might have understood a little better where I was coming from. And so, in general, I am sorry for such an irrational post; but I'm glad i made it because i got a better view twords the opposing arguemnt. I still think that the Northern Irish who want to be part of Britain should move there, but that's not very practical. Honestly, the war between Britain and Ireland is as much a waste of life as the war in Iraq. Good post, man.

There is no easy solution, but most people who see it from both sides can agree that there should be no more deaths.

I hope that the national assembly will start to be more of a success and that people will have more pride in Northern Ireland than in Eire or Britain. I really hope that this might start to calm emotions. I hope that communities will grow together and stop being segregated.

I believe that the work of John Major and Tony Blair have helped work towards these goals I hope that the UK government continues to do so.

Eventually I would like to see a wholly independant Northern Ireland, however I don't live there and really it's not for me to decide. In response to those that wish to be British should go to Britain, how about those that wish to be Irish go South? Neither of these options will or can realistically happen though.

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
1: Bloody Sunday. For those of you who haven't heard of it, on January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971. No violence, no riots. Just a peaceful march. My uncle commited suicide after hearing about what happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.
3: Tony Blaire has sided with George W. Bush in this "War on Terrorism" when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything (watch this movie http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/1001/89/index.php?t=1092839513)
Sorry about the length of this post. It's kinda emotional. But in summary, dont move to London, because the British are a load of fascist warmongers.
no you hate english politics big difference

PS. If you come to Manchester don't go here:
http://de.geocities.com/manutdch2003sd/images/traffordcenter_001.jpg

Also be careful of Scallies:

http://www.chikapu.com/streetfighterlegends/temp/scally.gif
http://www.scallycentral.com/gallery.htm

Easy to identify. If they bother you, run into the nearest book shop. Words scare them.

London is a great place. It's expensive, yes, back thanks to our socialist Mayor, the city is improving a lot and public transportation is very good these days.

LOL I hope you're joking.

And northerners sound uneducated and simple the way they have trouble with the idea that the letter A has long and short pronunciation. Name calling over language is something everyone can do, and it serves no purpose.
no northerners just speek english properly - the elongated vowle sound comes from the norman invasion and therefore is french not english :D

i've heard plenty of people in Manchester say it, although they were all townies
[See previous post];)


You just said it
(Cheap shot!!)
Say=/=write ;)

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
1: Bloody Sunday. For those of you who haven't heard of it, on January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971. No violence, no riots. Just a peaceful march. My uncle commited suicide after hearing about what happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.
3: Tony Blaire has sided with George W. Bush in this "War on Terrorism" when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything (watch this movie http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/1001/89/index.php?t=1092839513)
Sorry about the length of this post. It's kinda emotional. But in summary, dont move to London, because the British are a load of fascist warmongers.

come on that's a little harsh, i'm british, i marched against the war, i protested against george bush, i think the monarchy is pointless, tony blair is a c**t and i seriously sympathise with any body/country who has been f****d over by our various money grubbing governments... if my country asked me to fight for it i'd tell it to p*****f. by the way don't go thinking any government is innocent... but its people can be.

Whats so bad about being british, why would the irish not want to. I can only think of benefits.

er, yes i know, i'm from britain and was schooled in the art of sarcasm from an early age.

Although quite a few people from britain tend to call it irony, i dont know why, its totally different to sarcasm.

Sorry should of seen that coming, im from london and as my sarcasm dector has been tuned down to accomadate my over expanded avoid rudeboy stabbing me sensor and my bullshit gland

London public transport is great (if a little sticky in summer), london is the greenest city on the planet, lodon is the home of what most western governments are based on. Move here

PS. If you come to Manchester don't go here:
http://de.geocities.com/manutdch2003sd/images/traffordcenter_001.jpg

Also be careful of Scallies:

http://www.chikapu.com/streetfighterlegends/temp/scally.gif
http://www.scallycentral.com/gallery.htm

Easy to identify. If they bother you, run into the nearest book shop. Words scare them.

LMAO

I've seen those people before somewhere... :confused:

Lodon public transport is great (if a little sticky in summer), london is the greenest city on the planet, lodon is the home of what most western governments are based on. Move here
Lodon is also home to people who cannot spell London.

Nuthin' wrong with 'em.My dads Scottish,so thats even more northern than YOUSE!!
Its just typical for a Northerner to say Something like that,thats all.
I embrace all cultures/religions/races-
Countries/Borders/regions only exist in our heads.

Well I'd rather be down here drinking shandy rather than racing pidgeons & whippets.

LMAO

I've seen those people before somewhere... :confused:
Ever been to Manchester, or any other largish city in Britain?

Lodon is also home to people who cannot spell London.
Sorry i iss bd typier

Well I'd rather be down here drinking shandy rather than racing pidgeons & whippets.
What are whippets?

And Shandy stopped being cool when we were 12, its sick (but hey, I hate lemonade)

Sorry i iss bd typier
Don't be, I'm being really arsey today. No idea why. Not enough sleep probably.

Hey, manchester is the best city in britain, easy. And whats with the trafford centre.

Lodon public transport is great (if a little sticky in summer), london is the greenest city on the planet, lodon is the home of what most western governments are based on. Move here
London's rubbish! Blackpool however is the entertainment capital of Europe and is set to become England's answer to Las Vegas! it's waaaaaaay better than London!

Move to London Move to London Move to London Move to London Move to London Move to London

Now!

Ever been to Manchester, or any other largish city in Britain?
For Scallies also read
Toerags
Herberts
Neds
Wide boys

What are whippets?

And Shandy stopped being cool when we were 12, its sick (but hey, I hate lemonade)
Whippets are like Greyhounds,I think.

Ever been to Manchester, or any other largish city in Britain?

A few. Telford itself is pretty large, though not a city. I think we have those 'scallies' here to. And I've got lost in London once or twice. And I had a laugh on a train once, driving past a building (I'm not sure if it was in Wolverhampton or Birmingham) labelled as a glass factory, with all the windows boarded up. I don't leave Telford that much though. I don't usually need to.

I still think that the Northern Irish who want to be part of Britain should move there, but that's not very practical.

They don't want to be part of Britain, they want to be part of the United Kingdom. I think that the Northern Irish who want to be part of the Republic of Ireland should move there, and that seems a lot more practical to me seeing as Northern Ireland (like it or not) is not part of the R. of Ireland but is part of the UK already.

If everyone from Northern Ireland who wanted to be part of the UK moved to Britain, Northern Ireland would be left quite significantly unpopulated.

Hey, manchester is the best city in britain, easy. And whats with the trafford centre.
I hate it.

Really expensive to get to, takes ages from where I live (around 40-50 mins by bus, 10 by car [approx]), choca bloc a lot of the times, shit shots, prime hang out for scallies.

Why do I go there then?

I work there.

But yeah, Manchester is the best city in Britain.

London's rubbish! Blackpool however is the entertainment capital of Europe and is set to become England's answer to Las Vegas! it's waaaaaaay better than London!

Having been out in both places, Blackpool wins. If only because you aren't raped over the prices of drinks there.

Manchester is still better though ;)

::EDIT:: Except for the fact it is pissing it down at the moment.

Whippets are like Greyhounds,I think.
they are with even skinnier heads

London's rubbish! Blackpool however is the entertainment capital of Europe and is set to become England's answer to Las Vegas! it's waaaaaaay better than London!

Blackpool! Pah! Oh look a sex shop, ohhh a run down seedy hotel, ohhhhhh a shop with twenty pieces of shit i mean rock for 5p, ohhhhh another sex shop, ohhhhh another shop selling rock and sex toys. Yaaaaaay.

One good thing about Blackpool, roller coasters. The closest you want to get to blackpool is southport, its got rollercoasters to.

You are a moron. You are taking the acts of a handful of people and using it to generalise an entire population of aroud 64 million. There will always be people in a military that are bloodthirsty enough to shoot at, mame, rape,or whatever on civilians. Thats why alot of people join, because they are bloodthirsty. Every government will cover up the acts of its troops to make it look better.

Saddam didn't do anything? You must be an even bigger moron if you think
-Gassing Kurds
-Letting offspring roam around randomly raping women
-imprison and torture people for mostly no reason
Is "Didn't really do anything"

How can the British be fascists if the Prime Minister is voted in by a democracy and the people of all religion and cultures are allowed into the nation?

Give me one example of warmongering before 1900.
I'm willing to make one last angry post, after reading this one. First, to your first point - Goverments suck. Everywhere. The best goverment so far was the pre-Stalin soviet communist era. And then stalin came, ruining That goverment. With power, comes the hunger for more. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
To your second comment, if you had read my apology message, you would have understood this: This man was no angel through my eyes. He was a fascist bastard (not the british :( ), who commitied quite a few attrocities. However, the only reason the big-headed idiot Bush attacked was to make his lover cheney some bucks through Halliburton (the H word), not because of the non-existant.
And to your 3rd point, i guarentee most americans would say that the american revolution was an example of war mongering on the part of the history books.
In conclusion, dont post until you see the accused latest post. And dont be a moron whose posts are insensitive and uneducated.

For Scallies also read
Toerags
Herberts
Neds
Wide boys
From http://www.scallycentral.com/files/definitions.htm


NW England: Scally lad lads scallies scallys scal scalls scall scals

Scotland: Scheemy scheemy ned neds nedz drinkin Buckfast radj radjs kev kevs bams

NE England: Charvers charver chorea charvas charves charv charves chav chavs radgie radgies radgy radgys johnnos johnos jonnos

Ireland: Smiker smikers steek steeks spide spides nackers nacker knackers knacker styge styges stige stiges scanger scangers skanger skangers

Wales: Milly millys millies blads whapners

London/Essex: Kev kevs pikey pikie pikies pikeys rudeboys geezers geezas gazzas trevs barry barries barrys

Others: Townies towny townys gadge gadges gadgie gadgies gadgy gadgys trevs trevvs trev puffas puffa bam bams spide spides chor chors chorver chorvers chorber chorbers trendy trendies trendys barrys barries blads twoks twocks twokers twockers twoccas twokkas

Holland: Gabbers

Clothes: Tracksuit tracksuits tracky bottoms tops trackys trackies baseball cap caps trainers Rockport Adidas Reebok
Classics Kappa Lacoste Nike Henri Lloyd Burberry Fred Perry

Regions: Leeds Liverpool Manchester Salford Ordsall

Newcastle Hull Belfast Bradford Glasgow Preston Stoke

Essex Birmingham Newport.

Developments: "Choth" - a charver who half dresses like a goth.
NED = "Non Educated Delinquent" or "Ne'er do well"?

Thoguht it might be interesting.

Sorry about the formating. No everyone is able to use the [,] button.

IBut yeah, Manchester is the best city in Britain.Manchester is cool. I'm moving there end of the year. :D


::EDIT:: Except for the fact it is pissing it down at the moment.Does it ever not? ;)

Blackpool! Pah! Oh look a sex shop, ohhh a run down seedy hotel, ohhhhhh a shop with twenty pieces of shit i mean rock for 5p, ohhhhh another sex shop, ohhhhh another shop selling rock and sex toys. Yaaaaaay.

Well it seems to have everything that London has.;)

geezaaas! of course *slaps forehead*

Blackpool! Pah! Oh look a sex shop, ohhh a run down seedy hotel, ohhhhhh a shop with twenty pieces of shit i mean rock for 5p, ohhhhh another sex shop, ohhhhh another shop selling rock and sex toys. Yaaaaaay.

One good thing about Blackpool, roller coasters. The closest you want to get to blackpool is southport, its got rollercoasters to.
i've lived in Blackpool all my life and i've never seen a sex shop, and there may be a few crap hotels but there's also some very nice ones! And as for Rollercoasters, Southport doesn't have the Big One or The Revolution or The Spin Docter!

Manchester is cool. I'm moving there end of the year. :D

Yay.

Does it ever not? ;)

It was nice before, in the morning (when I inside. All morning, at a certain indoor shopping centre).

i've lived in Blackpool all my life and i've never seen a sex shop, and there may be a few crap hotels but there's also some very nice ones! And as for Rollercoasters, Southport doesn't have the Big One or The Revolution or The Spin Docter!

But it does have the only looping suspended rollercoaster in europe. It made me throw up, twice. Although that was probably the hotdog. Blackpool doesnt have anything like the southport pier *i think* i dont live there

But it does have the only looping suspended rollercoaster in europe. It made me throw up, twice. Although that was probably the hotdog. Blackpool doesnt have anything like the southport pier *i think* i dont live there
but The Revolution goes round a loop backwards and The Big One is the tallest and fastest rollercoaster in Europe. And Blackpool has 3 piers

To be quite frank, if you´re thinking of moving to England, there is no place to live other than London.
London is a beatiful, world-class city, and I have lived there my whole life...
SO COME TO LONDON!

But it doesnt have the southport pier, its beautiful, a feat of modern enginering, a work of art and very, very, very windy

Well it seems to have everything that London has.;)
Blackpool is run down with immigration too?

To be quite frank, if you´re thinking of moving to England, there is no place to live other than London.
London is a beatiful, world-class city, and I have lived there my whole life...
SO COME TO LONDON!
When Noah was in his ark he threw all the shit off the side and called the place it landed, London. ;)

From http://www.scallycentral.com/files/definitions.htm



Thoguht it might be interesting.

Sorry about the formating. No everyone is able to use the [,] button.

Look no further than:

www.chavscum.co.uk

Oh, and London rules. People come to work in London from all over the world. Millions visit it every year (IIRC second only to Paris). Let's face it whippet boys, Manc just can't claim the same...

When Noah was in his ark he threw all the shit off the side and called the place it landed, London. ;)

Why are we fighting amongst ourselves? We should unite against the greater enemy - the Scots. :D

To be quite frank, if you´re thinking of moving to England, there is no place to live other than London.
London is a beatiful, world-class city, and I have lived there my whole life...
SO COME TO LONDON!

I agree, thats why i had the whole

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thing

Just dont move to harringey, hackney, or anywhere near them. At my mates primary school a 17 year old stabbed an 11 year old when he didnt give him his mobile phone. The boy died. Apart from that its ok but i suggest if your not used to dealing with rudeboys/scallies stay away from the worse parts. Unless your from LA in which case youll fit rgiht in

They don't want to be part of Britain, they want to be part of the United Kingdom. I think that the Northern Irish who want to be part of the Republic of Ireland should move there, and that seems a lot more practical to me seeing as Northern Ireland (like it or not) is not part of the R. of Ireland but is part of the UK already.

If everyone from Northern Ireland who wanted to be part of the UK moved to Britain, Northern Ireland would be left quite significantly unpopulated.
cough*plantations*cough

Blackpool is run down with immigration too?
well actually at the place where i work there's 3 Spaniards, 2 Slovakians, 3 Poles and a Lithuanian

Look no further than:

www.chavscum.co.uk

Peruses.

Oh, and London rules. People come to work in London from all over the world. Millions visit it every year (IIRC second only to Paris). Let's face it whippet boys, Manc just can't claim the same...
1) I have never seen a whippet (I only just found out what one was). The only definition I knew was small buts of poo.
2) Many visit Manchester too (God knows why), I have even had the 'pleasure' to serve a few of them.
3) Manchester was largely neglected, we have few (in comparison) historical monuments.
4) We have better Music :)

Why are we fighting amongst ourselves? We should unite against the greater enemy - the Scots. :D

Whats wrong with scots im a scottish londoner and i resenty that, sure they talk all funny but scotland is a brilliant place

well actually at the place where i work there's 3 Spaniards, 2 Slovakians, 3 Poles and a Lithuanian
Is there a problem in Blackpool?

This is a genuine question. I haven't spent enough time in Blackpool to know first hand.

Peruses.


1) I have never seen a whippet (I only just found out what one was). The only definition I knew was small buts of poo.
2) Many visit Manchester too (God knows why), I have even had the 'pleasure' to serve a few of them.
3) Manchester was largely neglected, we have few (in comparison) historical monuments.
4) We have better Music :)

You mean you had better music ;)

And to be honest I often wonder why tourists rate London so highly. Granted there's a lot of cultural and historical heritage. But v. few of them venture out to see the nicer areas that ring central London (Chelsea, Hampstead Village, Islington, Fulham, Highgate, Blackheath and Greenwich, Notting Hill etc...) They all seem content to hang around Leceister Square which IS a dump. (Though still nowhere near as bad as Blackpool :D )

Why are we fighting amongst ourselves? We should unite against the greater enemy - the Scots.

No!
The Scots are the Northerners' friends against the southern pansies/fairies/girly-men.

no northerners just speek english properly - the elongated vowle sound comes from the norman invasion and therefore is french not english :D

You know nothing. Aside from the fact that french doesn't have much in the way of elongated A sounds, northern english more closely resembles modern southern english than it does pre-conquest old english. Northern is a regional dialect. All regional dialects, northern and southern, are moronic gibberish. The closest to proper english is the recieved pronunciation, used by the BBC, and spoken by educated people in all parts of Britain, including the north. And it has long A sounds.

You mean you had better music ;)

It is still here. [Intro to True Faith start] In the heart of every Mancunian, there will always be memory of the height of Manchester Music. And the knowledge that the North will rise again. :D

They all seem content to hang around Leceister Square which IS a dump. (Though still nowhere near as bad as Blackpool :D )
I don't know, I've seen parts of London that make Blackpool look posh.

You know nothing. Aside from the fact that french doesn't have much in the way of elongated A sounds, northern english more closely resembles modern southern english than it does pre-conquest old english. Northern is a regional dialect. All regional dialects, northern and southern, are moronic gibberish. The closest to proper english is the recieved pronunciation, used by the BBC, and spoken by educated people in all parts of Britain, including the north. And it has long A sounds.
btw, Moose In A Tin is my sister, and she has an RP accent. She still flattens the vowels though.

However she is simply parroting something a teacher told her when she was 13 (?), and has not heard anything to the contrary. Yet.

Britainless Ireland - I did apologise after I saw your latest post. However, I do feel that although obviously you have had a loss in your uncle (quite a few of my relatives have died in my lifetime) your post was insensitive also. I understand and know Bush is a real warmongerer and also Stalin was a f00l. However,I don't feel my post was uneducated although it may have been insensitive. (it probably was)

I meant after, not before. That was my bad. And you can screw tthat point anyway I can think of some. (Suez)

lol Townies are funny. Although they do make our economy what it is by the enormous amoout of drugs, ciggarettes and alchohol bought.

Is there a problem in Blackpool?

This is a genuine question. I haven't spent enough time in Blackpool to know first hand.
no, i think they all chose where i work because it's seasonal, we close at the end of October so they can work in England for a few months which will look good if they want to get a job in their own countries then they can go home

Britain (England particularly) is the greatest place to live, in the World, ever.

Athough Sealand sounds cool. :P

No!
The Scots are the Northerners' friends against the southern pansies/fairies/girly-men.

Good job I'm not a pansy/fairy/girly-man then. You know, I'm finding you quite offensive at the moment what with me being half-Mancunian and whatnot.

I live in Dorset in the south of England, just outside of Bournemouth. It's a nice town, but the area I live in is a bit boring. I'd sooner live right near the town center where there's mmore to do. There's a nice beach there. I also used to live in Burnley in the north, which is a complete fucking dive. The good thing is I can speak perfectly in either a southern, northern or Scottish (From my scottish dad) accent which means I can fit in pretty much anywhere. :)

I live in Dorset in the south of England, just outside of Bournemouth. It's a nice town, but the area I live in is a bit boring. I'd sooner live right near the town center where there's mmore to do. There's a nice beach there. I also used to live in Burnley in the north, which is a complete fucking dive. The good thing is I can speak perfectly in either a southern, northern or Scottish (From my scottish dad) accent which means I can fit in pretty much anywhere. :)

You ought to move to Southampton - one of my other genetic quarters :P

Whats wrong with scots im a scottish londoner and i resenty that, sure they talk all funny but scotland is a brilliant place

Calm down, Mac. I was only joking. Who am I to talk about Scots when my great great great grandfather came from Aberdeen? And I mean genetically, not my grandad who's brilliant.


He was one of the sensible ones who moved to London. :D

Good job I'm not a pansy/fairy/girly-man then. You know, I'm finding you quite offensive at the moment what with me being half-Mancunian and whatnot.
If I offended you I am sorry. It was just a joke. Do I think that Southerners are pansy/fairy/girly-men? No. Please, this is hardly a serious thread (In my eyes anyway), do not take anything I say here seriously (except the stuff about the Trafford Centre and Scallies).

Can't be arsed to read through this whole thread. Just avoid anybody wearing burberry caps and/or blue and white tracksuits

Can't be arsed to read through this whole thread. Just avoid anybody wearing burberry caps and/or blue and white tracksuits

... especially the ones with their tracksuits tucked into their socks :shudders:

... especially the ones with their tracksuits tucked into their socks :shudders:

Yes, thats a thing. In our culture, if you someone like that, it's traditional to laugh.

Yes, thats a thing. In our culture, if you someone like that, it's traditional to laugh.
unless you're a mosher, cause then it's very likely you'll get beaten up

unless you're a mosher, cause then it's very likely you'll get beaten up
Unless you use a polysylabic word, or run into a book store.

Reminds of a joke I heard.

Why did Manchester get the Commonwealth Games?
Because when the board that decides the venue turned up they saw everyone wearing sports clothes.

Not very good I know, but what can you do.

Brighton is the place to be. Why? It has more pubs per square mile than anywhere in England. (Maybe that's why it smells of wee in the summer)

wow Congrats! I am jealous

Its all true! That and dentists earn a pittance as no-one ever goes to them.

(seriously where did the stereotype of the english having bad teeth come from?)


Although this is a joke, it's worth pointing out that although our teeth are crap, we get all treatment on them free. Infact, the British could have the greatest teeth in world. We just choose to spend our time on more constructive things than flossing. Like drinking tea.

Brighton is the place to be. Why? It has more pubs per square mile than anywhere in England. (Maybe that's why it smells of wee in the summer)


This may be true, but Kendal has more pubs per capita than anywhere else in the nation. More grey-ness per capita, too. And the only town to become famous for congealing sugar.

If I offended you I am sorry. It was just a joke. Do I think that Southerners are pansy/fairy/girly-men? No. Please, this is hardly a serious thread (In my eyes anyway), do not take anything I say here seriously (except the stuff about the Trafford Centre and Scallies).

How am I to tell what you're serious about? After all, I'm merely a half-bred southerner! :D

Brighton is the place to be. Why? It has more pubs per square mile than anywhere [else] in England. (Maybe that's why it smells of wee in the summer)

Only if you're gay. And I can't imagine many of those pubs don't also qualify as "gay bars" or serve anything besides American lagers and the fruit based drinks for the ladies...

"This is a Pub. Pubs are popular in Britain, with roughly five pubs per person."

I hate Britain, for 3 major reasons:
1: Bloody Sunday. For those of you who haven't heard of it, on January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971. No violence, no riots. Just a peaceful march. My uncle commited suicide after hearing about what happened. That is the main reason for my anti-british hate :headbang: .
2: They are STILL causing trouble in Northern Ireland. Everyone says its the IRA, but think about this - the American revolution in 1776 is no different then whats happenning in Norther Ireland nowadays.
3: Tony Blaire has sided with George W. Bush in this "War on Terrorism" when really, Sadam hasnt really done anything (watch this movie http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/1001/89/index.php?t=1092839513)
Sorry about the length of this post. It's kinda emotional. But in summary, dont move to London, because the British are a load of fascist warmongers.
That's a bit harsh. I mean, I could say I HATE the Irish, they've bombed my home city, they've been bombing British sovereign territory for years, they kill our Royals and De Valera even signed the book of condolence for Hitlers death. But I don't, because on the whole I find the Irish a thoroughly agreeable group of chaps. They're on the whole very funny, very warm, very welcoming. They're an intelligent and literate people, and in general I'd welcome them to my table any day of the week. You can't make judgements on a people because of the actions of the government or organisations of a nation. To be honest, I support a united Ireland, but people who are as intolerant as you appear to be hinder your cause. Compassion beats oppression.

Ach, shut yer bloody mouth. I may not agree with a lot that my country does but I'll tell ye this, lad, it's a damn sight better than most of 'em!



Depends. Took us eight hours from Manchester to Cornwall. Bloody long drive, mate.

were you driving a tractor?!
never taken me more than 5..

britain's not a bad place to live.

Well, im moving there in 3 weeks.

Although this is a joke, it's worth pointing out that although our teeth are crap, we get all treatment on them free.

do you now?
i don't.
seems somehow unfair...

Well, im moving there in 3 weeks.

where abouts are you moving to?

London public transport is great (if a little sticky in summer), london is the greenest city on the planet, lodon is the home of what most western governments are based on. Move here

Surely some mistake- 'Athens'?


I should write for Private Eye.

OOOH! That's something great about Britain- the greatest satirical magazine around, Private Eye. I think it played a large part in destroying the Establishment in the 60's and 70's, and still plays a large part in exposing crooked politicians, businessmen and other pompous sorts. Although it has no political allegiance, it is bascially left wing, but focuses on being anti-establishment and anti-sleaze rather than pro any political party. Worth pointing out it's almost become part of the establishment. Ed- Ian Hislop, appears on 'Have I Got News For You', a satirical BBC news quiz, but this is a pretty pale imitation of Private Eye because the Government is holding the BBC by the balls at the moment, and one major anti-Blair faux-pas will make Tessa Jowell squeeze. It won't be pretty. Viva La BBC!


Another thing worth pointing out- The Home Secretary is a c*nt.

... especially the ones with their tracksuits tucked into their socks :shudders:

nah, don't avoid them, be right with everyone and they'll be right with you..

unless there's a group of more than 10 of them

and what's wrong with being a northener?! *cough*poncy southerner*cough*


Lol, I'm the bad hybrid from lesta! :p

do you now?
i don't.
seems somehow unfair...


Well, I think it might have stopped now I'm out of full-time education, but I can still claim benefits that take alot off the price on the NHS. You British?

where abouts are you moving to?
London. Just got into university there.

Can't be arsed to read through this whole thread. Just avoid anybody wearing burberry caps and/or blue and white tracksuits

GAH! rudes! Some are alright, but most seem to want to kill anyone "different" or if you look at them and they don't like it. Most seem to be pretty sound atm.

Well, I think it might have stopped now I'm out of full-time education, but I can still claim benefits that take alot off the price on the NHS. You British?

yeh.
and i'm somewhere between full time education - start uni in october having spent a year working..
but because i'm earning i have to pay...
and pay 23% tax.

doesn't bother me that much, but the whole student free-ride does...

and by that i don't mean that education beyond GCSEs or A-levels should cost anything, i just don't believe that the student population will (can?) ever put back into society what they get out of it, not many of the uni students i know will, anyway..

London. Just got into university there.

it's an ok city, just another western capital, nothing particularly special about it. like all of them, it's expensive unless you know the right people or places..

bits of it are fucking terrifying, but that's true of everywhere..

apart from it being expensive, it's a top place to live, i'd imagine, and i've heard the same from a few mates there..

which uni you going to?

City University.

City University.

i've got a friend there studying russian and business, and one doing russian and computing.
they both love it.
it's very different form india.
well, actually, i dunno - the atmosphere in london is much like any other city in the world.. so.. perhaps it's not so different afterall...

Trust me. Its very different over here. Much cheaper ove here.

Im gonna be doing Banking and International Finance.

ignore all those bastards and come to manchester yer yellow bellied ****, yo

:D

Surely some mistake- 'Athens'?

The Westminster System, which I believe is what is being referred to here, was not invented in Athens.

So could any Brits here give me some prompters on British dayly life, culture, politics, please?

Buy either a 4X4 or a dirtbike for the roads.
Criticise the weather and hate Premier Blair.
Learn the English way to knock. ie, quietly as you don't want to do anything as rude as to disturb the person.

Oh yes:

* Never ever indulge yourself. Even something as small as taking a biscuit when it's offered, always refuse politely and with a grin at first, and then give in.

* Always drink vast quantities of tea.

* Always maintain a stiff upper lip.

The Westminster System, which I believe is what is being referred to here, was not invented in Athens.

Except which Western countries other than Britain work a the Westminister System? America doesn't, and even those countries which do have an unelected head of state and a two house system don't have a hereditary second house.

If it's just the idea of a Parliament, then that prize at least goes to the Isle of Man, which has the longest uninterrupted parliament in the world.

Anyway, the original post seemed to imply not The Westminister System but Democracy.

Oh yes:

* Never ever indulge yourself. Even something as small as taking a biscuit when it's offered, always refuse politely and with a grin at first, and then give in.

* Always drink vast quantities of tea.

* Always maintain a stiff upper lip.

I hate how much my family fit that stereotype.

How am I to tell what you're serious about? After all, I'm merely a half-bred southerner! :D
Better half-bred then no-bred (let you into a secret, my parents are immigrants);)

Also, I appreciate humour doesn't translate well into writing. But even in speech, some people have a hard time realising when I am not being serious.

no i think he drove through peoples back gardens in order to avoid congestion charging and got stuck.

seriously, move to Leicester... great place but i like London most.
one prompter for you is that Londoners see anybody who lives north of them as Northerners and anybody who lives south of them as Southerners. guys, London isn't the centre of England. i think that might be the Midlands.

AMEN!!!!

London a great place. Can find anything you want there if you know where to look. Weather's a bitch, and the average londoner is a miserable git most of the time. But still a great place

may seem odd...but how much does a Subway sandwich cost on your side of the pond?

Lets be honest here, London is rubbish, and all of England pales beneath the might of Yorkshire!
*casts a shifty glance over the Pennines, and to the south*
Everyone should move to Bradford, so i can laugh at them as they are mugged within seconds of stepping outside after dark! ;)
But seriously, don't go to Bradford. Go to Leeds instead, as it is far superior in every way, and only a few minutes away

may seem odd...but how much does a Subway sandwich cost on your side of the pond?
Which side? :confused:

Which side? :confused:

Location = Old Dominion = Virginia

But seriously, don't go to Bradford. Go to Leeds instead, as it is far superior in every way, and only a few minutes away
What about the curries?

may seem odd...but how much does a Subway sandwich cost on your side of the pond?
Too much, I cannot remember to be honest. I have only had once and it made me feel sick. I think it is a case of once bitten, twice shy. Because I have never been back.

I can remember that they are quite expensive though.

Aye, and rotten to boot, at least in Manchester.

Aye, and rotten to boot, at least in Manchester.
That was where I was.

Ugh.

Except which Western countries other than Britain work a the Westminister System? America doesn't, and even those countries which do have an unelected head of state and a two house system don't have a hereditary second house.

If it's just the idea of a Parliament, then that prize at least goes to the Isle of Man, which has the longest uninterrupted parliament in the world.

Anyway, the original post seemed to imply not The Westminister System but Democracy.

The Westminster System, as a specific form of parliamentary democracy, is in use in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, India, Malasia, Singapore, Jamaica, and a number of other commonwealth countries. It hardly ranks as the defining model of world democracy, as the original post implied, but it is certainly not limited just to the UK.

The original post only implied democracy to those who are ignorant of the Westminster system. The ancient greek democracies were nothing like modern western governments.

You've probably missed the most important point:

Don't speak like an American. :p

Come to Scotland, it's much nicer, less populated it has beautiflu landscapes, and we've got golf (I live in the town with the most challenging golf course in Europe, and possibly in the the world, though I've only played a few times, and not on the hard one)!

What about the curries?

Good point... they are nice, mostly, unless you go to one of the dodgy places, like kebab shops *shudders*

Good point... they are nice, mostly, unless you go to one of the dodgy places, like kebab shops *shudders*
That's half the fun of being drunk. Wandering down the street past all the kabab places, notknowing which one to go into.

It is a bit like playing Russian Roulette :D

We like to be compact. We aren't isolated loners!!! :gundge:

That's half the fun of being drunk. Wandering down the street past all the kabab places, notknowing which one to go into.

It is a bit like playing Russian Roulette :D

lol true. Will i get food poisoning? Probably. Will i get a kebab anyway? Yes... :(

The Westminster System, as a specific form of parliamentary democracy, is in use in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, India, Malasia, Singapore, Jamaica, and a number of other commonwealth countries. It hardly ranks as the defining model of world democracy, as the original post implied, but it is certainly not limited just to the UK.

The original post only implied democracy to those who are ignorant of the Westminster system. The ancient greek democracies were nothing like modern western governments.

The original post claimed Britain was the home of the modern western democracy. Athens was the 'home' of democracy. The second post said the Westminster System was the basis of Modern Western Democracy. Look at the countries in your post- only Canada, Ireland and Jamaica are 'Western' geographically, and I'd count Jamaica as third-world. You could call Australia and New Zealand western- so Oz, Ireland, New Zealand and Canada. Hardly 'The Western World'.

That ignoring all the details such as the Monarch as Head of State and Unelected Peers.

Britain's fun. London's a great city to visit, but it's also second only to Tokyo in cost of living. Unless you're rolling in the bills, you may live in the not so posh neighborhoods.

If you need to grab a pint but don't want to hit up the pubs more heavily frequented by tourists, just ask the police for the best nearby pub. They usually know.

Once there, ditch yer dollars quick. The exchange rate is not in favor of Americans and it's only getting worse. When I went, from the time I bought the plane ticket to the time I landed, my bucks had devalued 5p against the pound. The English countryside is very nice. I grew up in Louisiana, where the only points of elevation are we have are landfills, so the hills took a little getting used to. If you're from anywhere, you should be fine.

Get used to life without the sun. British weather is damned nasty.

That's pretty much all I can offer, as I only saw London a bunch of the surrounding area. Can't offer a whole lot of help on England as a whole, but I hear good things about Whales and the Midlands.

One last thing, sometimes the accent takes some getting used to, but after a few hours of hearing it, you get used to it. You'll probably start adopting some of the vocabulary as well if you make a lot of English friends.

I live in the North, in the Lake District.

I suppose the English are a funny mixture of extreme modesty and total arrogance. Outwardly, they (we) detest all signs of self-love. This isn't to say we hate or fear success and successful people- but keeping your achievements quiet and playing down your better points endear you to the English, and they find bragging repulsive.

The British love the underdog. I have no reason why, and I fit inthis category. I cannot stand it when the more skilled or successful party wins in something competitive. This is ironic when you think of our treatment of the underdog in history.

Class- the class system still thrives in Britain. People are still obsessed with social climbing, and since Margaret Thatcher allowed council house tenants to buy their property the middle class has exploded in size. Everyone judges everyone on class. This doesn't mean everyone is unpleasant about it- just it happens, and it's impossible to stop yourself. The lines might not be as clear cut as they were when the Working Class worked in the pits, mills and factories, the Middle Class worked as accoutants and lawyers and the Upper Classes sat in country homes, but you'll still find most people can indentify another persons class on their dress, speech and job, and though there is greater social mobility and people use different words, people know whether they're common or not.

Life in England can be cutting edge and modern, with more daring and risk-taking than America. It can also be terribly prim and proper, where conventions are all. Both of these points have their good and bad sides, but I'm sure you'll find it a bizarre, often very funny and sometimes rather depressing and unpleasant place to live.

Too much, I cannot remember to be honest. I have only had once and it made me feel sick. I think it is a case of once bitten, twice shy. Because I have never been back.

I can remember that they are quite expensive though.

Subways always make me sick. I usually get them in Manchester. Its the olives (or rather the stuff they put on them) and the salad dressing. I saw Jeremy Speke in Manchester Subway. I'd been to a gig the night before, was terribly hungover munching with my friend when in he walked, ordered a foot long sub then left. It was one of the most surreal experiences of my life.

The original post claimed Britain was the home of the modern western democracy. Athens was the 'home' of democracy. The second post said the Westminster System was the basis of Modern Western Democracy. Look at the countries in your post- only Canada, Ireland and Jamaica are 'Western' geographically, and I'd count Jamaica as third-world. You could call Australia and New Zealand western- so Oz, Ireland, New Zealand and Canada. Hardly 'The Western World'.

That ignoring all the details such as the Monarch as Head of State and Unelected Peers.

I'm not even sure why I'm getting into an argument on this subject, but it seemed clear at least to me, that the original poster was implying the westminster system, rather than democracy as a whole, especially since it mentioned western governments, which are not modelled on any system that came out of Athens. I am not trying to claim that the westminster system is the model of world democracy, or even the model used by all western states; I am simply pointing out that it is not a system just limited to the UK.

You seem intent on clinging to the idea of the monarch and hereditary peers. For a start, the British monarch IS the head of state of Canada and other commonwealth countries. In general, though, the westminster system includes a 'ceremonial head of state' who has certain reserve powers (such as the ability to dissolve parliament or dismiss a prime minister), but is seperate from the head of government. This can be a monarch or a president. Secondly, the westminster system does not necessitate a house of lords, but simply an upper house which is appointed or elected on a different basis to the lower house, but typically has less power.

Gawd, you killjoys can turn anything into a political debate, can't you?


Anyway, I've lived all my life in the north, but now I study in London. And I can tell you that it is awesome, compared to London, the north is depressing, and full of ignorant bastards. This from a person who always considered himself 'northern and proud'...

I'm moving into my new place in London in a couple of weeks. (Student halls were a nightmare, full of pricks you wouldn't ever associate with given the choice. Some of these irritating unsavoury pricks have their room next door to you and frequently have noisy gay sex with their equally obnoxious shit of a 'boyfriend' at 3am. Not nice.)

South London kicks ass. Don't be afraid...

I'm not even sure why I'm getting into an argument on this subject, but it seemed clear at least to me, that the original poster was implying the westminster system, rather than democracy as a whole, especially since it mentioned western governments, which are not modelled on any system that came out of Athens. I am not trying to claim that the westminster system is the model of world democracy, or even the model used by all western states; I am simply pointing out that it is not a system just limited to the UK.

You seem intent on clinging to the idea of the monarch and hereditary peers. For a start, the British monarch IS the head of state of Canada and other commonwealth countries. In general, though, the westminster system includes a 'ceremonial head of state' who has certain reserve powers (such as the ability to dissolve parliament or dismiss a prime minister), but is seperate from the head of government. This can be a monarch or a president. Secondly, the westminster system does not necessitate a house of lords, but simply an upper house which is appointed or elected on a different basis to the lower house, but typically has less power.

Where, exactly, does he imply 'The Westminster System'? He doesn't mention anything of the sort. Not only that, but as I said before, the Westminster System ISN'T the form of government for the Western world, just ex-Commonwealth countries, of which what- 4- could be described as Western. And it's ignoring other Western countries like the whole of Western Europe and the USA. So even if he was implying The Westminster System, he'd still be wrong in saying that that's the prevelant form of government in the Western world, but if he said Athens, well, I'd say Athens IS the home of democracy, however far removed it is from democracy as we know it today. No?

As for the Monarch- again, head of State of Commonwealth countries, which don't make up the majority of the Western World, and unelected peers, I think it's only Britain.

I live in England. I hate it. You may enjoy it, but the politics and the yobs spoil it for me. A lot of Americans come over and say they love London - so you may well like it. You have to learn to spell "color" as "colour" though.

Where, exactly, does he imply 'The Westminster System'? He doesn't mention anything of the sort. Not only that, but as I said before, the Westminster System ISN'T the form of government for the Western world, just ex-Commonwealth countries, of which what- 4- could be described as Western. And it's ignoring other Western countries like the whole of Western Europe and the USA. So even if he was implying The Westminster System, he'd still be wrong in saying that that's the prevelant form of government in the Western world, but if he said Athens, well, I'd say Athens IS the home of democracy, however far removed it is from democracy as we know it today. No?

First of all, the original declaration that 'lodon(sic) is the home of what most western governments are based on', would seem to imply the westminster system, as London is the home of the westminster system. Unless lodon is actually a correct spelling, and the post is referring to some whole other place.

Secondly, I am not trying to argue that that assertion is correct, as it clearly isn't. The USA and most of Western Europe don't use it, for a start.

My argument, is that:

1. the post was implying the westminster system, not democracy in general. Some western governments are westminster systems (Canada, etc), but none are based on ancient greek democracies. The only similarity is that rulers were appointed by popular election; the legislature and such is completely different.

2. The westminster system is not a system of government exclusive to the UK, and the reason it did not occur to you, is that you seem to have little knowledge regarding the system or the governments that use it.


As for the Monarch- again, head of State of Commonwealth countries, which don't make up the majority of the Western World, and unelected peers, I think it's only Britain.

If you insist on arguing any further, then actually go and read something about the westminster system, and governments using the westminster system, instead of jumping to arbitrary conclusions.

A lot of your arguments, such as the unelected peers thing, seem to be unfounded assumptions. The canadian upper house, for example (roughly equivalent to the british house of lords) is not elected, but appointed by the cabinet.