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Ok... I have wondered why they deny this for a long time now. Didn't Hitler publicly state that the Jews were a blight on Society? Didn't Himmler and his SS scummy buddies plan on eradicating them? What does Auschwitz need gas going through shower heads and giant smoke stacks for? Or did the allies plant those?
How do you explain how millions of Jews disappeared? And Why deny it? Don't you think that they should die by your own misguided destructive beliefs?

I truly do not understand this... And how is it Hitler didn't read Revelation and see any nation that attacks Israel will be in a world of shit?

Just wondering.

It's a lashing out of anger based on tranference of guilt.

They feel guilty about their uncontrolled hatred and thus decide it is easier to simply go into denial.

Simple psychology.

Fortunately, for me, I have already used other threads of this topic to add those to my ignore list who hate Muslims, Jews and/or Arabs, deny the shoa, and believe the white "race" superior. I'm guessing this will become yet another thread where I don't see 90% of the posts. :)

Maybe they didn't like getting their asses kicked.

Maybe because they can, and they know it upsets people to say so.

Or because these days, you can get into a lot of trouble "standing by your beliefs" if this especially is what you think.

If you've grown up to believe that it was propaganda, and it really didnt happen - then I guess it is all you know.

I'm still sticking with my first thoughts...

It's a lashing out of anger based on tranference of guilt.

They feel guilty about their uncontrolled hatred and thus decide it is easier to simply go into denial.

Simple psychology.

Fortunately, for me, I have already used other threads of this topic to add those to my ignore list who hate Muslims, Jews and/or Arabs, deny the shoa, and believe the white "race" superior. I'm guessing this will become yet another thread where I don't see 90% of the posts. :)
ohoh! can you see me!?!?!?!?!

Of course the holocaust didn't happen.
And neither did this post.
Quite reading it.
Stop right now, close your browser menu, go put on your tinfoil hat and hide in the closet with your shotgun.
I've already said this is post is a lie of the jewish media, so quit reading it.

Anways, the stupid question of the year:
Keruvalia, am I on your ignore list?

Or because they want to make the Jews seem like attention-whores.

ohoh! can you see me!?!?!?!?!

No, I can't. But I can see your post. :p

Keruvalia, am I on your ignore list?

Not yet!

Not yet!

That's the spirit! :D

Not yet!
OH YEAH!
I have validation, of what I don't know, but I've got it!

I dont think there are any serious academics who deny the holocaust happened. As far as i know they just try to revise the numbers and scale of the dead. As for the nutters who argue it never happened at all, they're just nutters.

yeah it doesnt make sense that they say the holacaust didnt happen but then they talk about how they have to kill the Jews. So technically they should be happy it happened admit it and celebrate it because it started what they are trying to do.

The idea is that by not speaking of it, they will remove the image of 'angry Germans' from the memories of those who will lead their country throught the 21st century.


However, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

(I'm talking to you, Bush...)

I don't know... why do dendrophiliacs like trees so much? Some things there is just no explaining. I would rank nazism as being mostly more insane than dendrophilia. I like trees too... just nowhere NEAR that much.

To understand why they deny it happened, you have to understand the mind of a three year old. If you see a three year old hit a sibling and you tell him he is in trouble, what does he say? "I didn't hit him." You know, he knows and everyone's grandma knows what really happened, the kid just has a simple mind and feels like denying it to see if he can get away with it. Ok now apply the same logic to idiot KKK members.

Arnie's grandad was in the SS, I find that somewhat hilarious. And its a pretty cool thing for your dad to do, you have to admit. (No I'm not talking about the murders - just the fact you are considered to be 'racially pure' must be pretty cool)

they deny it because it never happened.

they deny it because it never happened.

And another for the ignore pile ... and on your first post ever .... schweeet ... I do so love these threads.

they deny it because it never happened.

Just like Unit 731 and 700 didn't exist, or that there were no American B-29 crewmen disected alive at the Kyushu University, or that lovely Ottoman government that never slaughtered Armenians, or that the US never carpet-bombed Vietnam, the Soviets never brutally suppresed rebellion, and Hitler was jesus returned.

Hitler was jesus returned.

I *knew* that mustache looked familiar!
:p

its true you know, if you search for greatness on google images, the first picture is of hitler. search for evilness and the first picture is of, yes, you guessed it, jesus!

its true you know, if you search for greatness on google images, the first picture is of hitler. search for evilness and the first picture is of, yes, you guessed it, jesus!
just did it its true.

its true you know, if you search for greatness on google images, the first picture is of hitler. search for evilness and the first picture is of, yes, you guessed it, jesus!

Actually, it's not referring to Jesus as evilness, look at the picture and you'll understand (specifically the facial expressions of everyone else). As for the Hitler thing, after reading the article, not to surprising that person would think he was great.

And looking at the other pics that "Greatness" brings up, it's not really making your case any better, especially the third one, I don't even know what the hell the second one is without bringing up it's full image.

just did it its true.

Wow.... that is... wow... I gotta write that down.

So Hitler is on the same level of greatness as a tiger in a cage, and a baby.... this is like some twisted version of a Gerber Babyfood commercial funded by the World Wildlife oundation.

If you want to have some really great fun, type in "Face of Evil" and look at the first pic.

yeah it doesnt make sense that they say the holacaust didnt happen but then they talk about how they have to kill the Jews. So technically they should be happy it happened admit it and celebrate it because it started what they are trying to do.

Thats exactly my point. If Hitler and Himmler are great they were only great in the eyes of the Nazis for their Xenophobia, genocide and blind hatred. So without the holocaust what were they doing all those years? Who constructed the gheddoes and Auswictz?

Wait an American B-29 pilot was dissected at Kyoto?

Wait an American B-29 pilot was dissected at Kyoto?

8 crewmen of a downed B-29 to be exact. These are the only known such acts on Japanese soil (Unit 731 and 700 were in Manchuria and China respectively). They were taken to the Kyushu University, then several had their organs removed while alive for "Scientific studies".

EDIT: The Kyushu University, not Kyoto

The rest of the captured were fed a bowl of rice every other day assuming they weren't killed on the spot. Oh and tortured now and again. Some allied soldiers got rather pissed off when their rice bowl was replaced with a flour bowl. I think they managed to convince them to give them rice again.

They do deny it because selling their political views is a lot easier when its not tied to genocide. It is possible to mix facism and racism without murdering millions. With denying the holocaust modern day nazis can still cling to their dream of a übermenschen-only society. That doesnt make them any less stupid, but has a warped kind of logic in it.

The rest of the captured were fed a bowl of rice every other day assuming they weren't killed on the spot. Oh and tortured now and again. Some allied soldiers got rather pissed off when their rice bowl was replaced with a flour bowl. I think they managed to convince them to give them rice again.

Japanese soldiers were also very fond of poking holes in beriberi victims to watch the fluid drain out.

Because they can't do anything else. I mean could you imagine, a leader of a nazi party somewhere in the world going on TV and saying " we wish to apoligse for WWII and for all the pain and suffering. We also especially sorry to all the Untermunchen (spelling?) for what we did. To my constituents, don't worry I still believe in white power!!!"
As their beliefs are based on xenophobic hatred, they really change can they?

8 crewmen of a downed B-29 to be exact. These are the only known such acts on Japanese soil (Unit 731 and 700 were in Manchuria and China respectively). They were taken to the Kyushu University, then several had their organs removed while alive for "Scientific studies".

Yeech...Got a source for that?

Yeech...Got a source for that?

Besides my own readings as a historian, sure

http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/germwar/uspow.htm

http://home.comcast.net/~winjerd/Bruner.txt

Besides my own readings as a historian, sure

http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/germwar/uspow.htm

http://home.comcast.net/~winjerd/Bruner.txt

Cheers! That'll help out with my own history essay.

Cheers! That'll help out with my own history essay.

If you ever need help, and can't already tell, I'm obsessed with history (area of expertise 1905-1953), as obvoius by me jumping into every thread dealing with such time, just tm.

for the history buffs.
Rent a film called "Hitler: The Rise of Evil".
Found it to be a suprisingly good film.

for the history buffs.
Rent a film called "Hitler: The Rise of Evil".
Found it to be a suprisingly good film.

I own it (well, recorded off TV), and besides a few liberties taken by the director's, it was pretty good.

I own it (well, recorded off TV), and besides a few liberties taken by the director's, it was pretty good.

curious. what liberties?
I consider myself a history buff, but more generalised. from 4000BC till now (alot to cover!).

If you ever need help, and can't already tell, I'm obsessed with history (area of expertise 1905-1953), as obvoius by me jumping into every thread dealing with such time, just tm.

Thanks. I mainly deal with the 50s-modern times in my work though.

curious. what liberties?
I consider myself a history buff, but more generalised. from 4000BC till now (alot to cover!).

Well, I was required to learn all of that, I just get into insanely rich detail in the 20th century (though I've recently noticed I am very lacking in Dark Ages knowledge, something I'm trying to rectify).

As for the liberties taken, it's been a long time since I've watched the movie, my original intent had been that I might be able to use it for the classes I teach (I frequently get called to the local high school by English teachers, who want to prepare their kids and give them a base of knowledge of Hitler or the Holocaust for a particular book they are going to study, about once a month this happens), however I've found the movie is not really suitable, and I've stuck with my own tapes of The Road to Treblinka and Reign of Terror: Hitler. But the most glaring I can remember was his neice commits suicide ayear later in the movie than she did in real life. I also cannot remember if it is this movie or another I've seen (with John Cusack) that makes it appear Hitler was the leading figure of the Nazi Party during the Munich Putsch. While this was true for internal party works, Ludendorff was who the public saw as the head, and lead the Putsch.

Read "Mein Kampf". It's all there. In 1923 !

I don't think you guys are approaching this from the right angle. Nazis have admitted to the Holocaustand the slaughter of millions of Jews. Neo-Nazis deny this ever happened. It would be good to understand that Neo-Nazis and Nazis are two completely different people; Nazis were a political party interested in, aside from the extermination of the Jews, the rehabilitation of Germany after the massive toll of World War I reparation expenses. Neo-Nazis are only interested on parading the white race as being superior. By white race, I mean white, Anglo-Saxon Protestants. The two are in no way alike. This is part of the reason why Neo-Nazis can happily deny the Holocaust ever happened; they weren't instrument to its implementation. The other part has something to do with them being enormous idiots :D

I think Hitler was a brilliant man, I wish I had met him.

Pity he decided to turn into a complete fucking nutter.

If Germany had won the second world war dudes, the UK would be a fantastic place to live, not the shit hole ,full of pretend assylum seekers it is now.

I think Hitler was a brilliant man, I wish I had met him.

Pity he decided to turn into a complete fucking nutter.

If Germany had won the second world war dudes, the UK would be a fantastic place to live, not the shit hole ,full of pretend assylum seekers it is now.

Oh, truly fantastic, i'm sure. Just remember that you are utilising something now taken for granted, "freedom of speech". You've got that right.

However, in the "fantastic place" you describe, you (or more correctly, everyone that happens to disagree with your particular viewpoint) do not have this right.

And I'd like to say that if you truly think that system is a "fantastic" idea, then i'm afraid that i'm going to have to stick it to you and utilise my own free speech and call you a fool. Fool.

Most germans (and nazi's) did not know what happened exactly to the jews. They were to be taken prisoner, if no already in a ghetto, and then they were transferred to the east where most germans though they'd be resettled, but were actually destroyed. Those camps would be the best kept secret EVER if only those pesky allies did not fight back.

I think Hitler was a very smart man (in the beginning, in the end he was just a raving megalomaniac who ejaculated after his own speeches). He got the power of a whole country with only 3 minister seats. In the end he should have stuck with painting...

Kanabia dear fool.


I dont care.

Thats just my opinion dude.

You can believe what ever you like, but calling someone a fool cause you dont agree, is the root of world problems.

full of pretend assylum seekers it is now.

Assylum laws in Europe today were designed for those jews who wish to return after/flee during WW2. They're designed for small groups of people, but nowadays everyone must be allowed in! Not that I'm a racist or anything but most assylum seekers have no business here.

Ok... I have wondered why they deny this for a long time now. Didn't Hitler publicly state that the Jews were a blight on Society? Didn't Himmler and his SS scummy buddies plan on eradicating them? What does Auschwitz need gas going through shower heads and giant smoke stacks for? Or did the allies plant those?
How do you explain how millions of Jews disappeared? And Why deny it? Don't you think that they should die by your own misguided destructive beliefs?

I truly do not understand this... And how is it Hitler didn't read Revelation and see any nation that attacks Israel will be in a world of shit?

Just wondering.

Well today's Nazis are old and senile, maybe they forgot...
But seriously? If you admit it happened and you were there, you'd have to pay for what you did , they wouldn't want that.

I don't think Hitler cared much for the Revelation... :rolleyes:

I am a nazi ( or neo-nazi whatever you want to call it) and i dont deny the occurence of the Holocaust.

I do think that one of the reasons that leads to most of the nazi circles to deny Holocaust ever took place is that almost all the information available was produced by the USSR at the time as they were the only of the allied armys to control all the major concentration camps.

As i only tend to distrust the Russian i usually take some of the data that comes to me from WWII with a grain of salt

Do remember that winners write history as they see fit and that as been a constant throughout history.

Do not judge people in a glance or you maybe judged as well

ps: i like jews, they set the example for what is nacionalism and altough they do tend to take over the capitalist world they can be pushed only to dominate those who deserve to be dominated.

Beautifully put dude.

Arnie's grandad was in the SS, I find that somewhat hilarious. And its a pretty cool thing for your dad to do, you have to admit. (No I'm not talking about the murders - just the fact you are considered to be 'racially pure' must be pretty cool)
Your sure you mean his grandad and not his dad? And I believe it was the SA.

Well today's Nazis are old and senile, maybe they forgot...
But seriously? If you admit it happened and you were there, you'd have to pay for what you did , they wouldn't want that.
I don't think Hitler cared much for the Revelation... :rolleyes:
Hitler killed himself on April 30, 1945. His body was burned at the Reichskanzlei. Well: that of course leaves some legends behind as there was nothing left of him, physically.
Of course the people don´t want to admit it. They even didn´t anounce it publicly when they did it. They called it `resettlement` of the jews.

Actually, Nazis (I say Nazis, not Neo-Nazis because Nazi is simply a contraction of the German Nationalsozialistische, and therefore anybody of the National Socialist political persuasion can use the term Nazi) don't dispute that there was a pogrom launched in Nazi Germany to exterminate Jews.

The gripe they have is with:

A) The purported number of Jews killed. They assert that the number of Jews killed (which oscillates anywhere from 6 million to 20 million) is not based on any body count, records, or census.

B) That Jews have manipulated and exaggerated the Holocaust story for monetary gain, and thus hold prominent and influential positions in many countries (http://www.jewwatch.com).

Kanabia dear fool.


I dont care.

Thats just my opinion dude.

You can believe what ever you like, but calling someone a fool cause you dont agree, is the root of world problems.

Fine. I'll simply call you wrong.

A) The purported number of Jews killed. They assert that the number of Jews killed (which oscillates anywhere from 6 million to 20 million) is not based on any body count, records, or census.

You can actually use birth registers and lists about missing people to estimate the deaths. And by doing so you come to a number of about 6 million (but nowhere to 20 million).

You dont get it do you.

You cant call me wrong, your opinion is that I am wrong.
You cant call me a fool, your opinion is that I am a fool.

That dont make me wrong, or a fool.

You have your opinions and I have mine.


People like you start wars. Or worse................. Religions.

Get out more dude

Fine. I'll simply call you wrong.

Yeah Chumpdon you are wrong. Unless that is you fit hitlers little aryan guide to the perfect person. tall, fair hair, blue eyes, germanic stoke.

You forgot small penis.

actually to the history buffs, or well informed nazies, something that bothers me.

Hitler believed in the Aryan supermen and all that. Which as i understand it means people of germanic decent. ie. most of western europe. correct?

He hated the jews which covered everyone who was jewish or had a jewish ancestor up to a certain level. correct so far?
Oh yeah he also hated all slavic people, gypsies, gays. correct? I also assume black, indians, etc.....

Hope this is right so far..... what was his opion on the swiss, scottish, irish and welsh? as they are Celtic not germanic? Also what about the spanish who he was friendly with yet they are a mix of germanic, celtic and arab (for the most part).
Also how the hell were the japanese "aryan"? Or his allies in the balkans and such. they were also slavic, which he hated?

Can anyone try and explain this......

The Aryans originated in Iran and invaded India.

Of course the holocaust didn't happen.
And neither did this post.
Quite reading it.
Stop right now, close your browser menu, go put on your tinfoil hat and hide in the closet with your shotgun.
I've already said this is post is a lie of the jewish media, so quit reading it.
Ok, do you realize how stupid you sound when you deny the holocaust? There is actual PHYSICAL documentation showing the mass extermination of Jews, including photographs of mass graves in Russia and in Poland, Hungary and the rest of Eastern Europe. There is testimony from thousands of German soldiers and officials who back these claims up. In the Nuremburg trials, Nazi officials admitted to being party to these horrific crimes. Hitler is actually documented as talking about his "final solution" and how he wanted (and did) exterminate all the Jews. Moreover, where did literally 95% of the Jews of Warsaw, numbering over 1 million, for example go? Over six MILLION people in Europe were murdered by the Nazi's and yet you can't come up with even a single warranted answer as to why they were not? Don't bother to post in an argument if you have no warrants.

Barokstadt, read up on sarcasm, will you?

Ok, let me set this straight. The Aryans were, as the last poster said, a dark-skinned, dark-eyed race of people who invaded india hundreds of years ago. Somehow, Hitler took the name and said that Aryans were light-skinned, blue-eyed blond-haired people of germanic or nordic stock. Hitler hated everyone else and thought that his "Aryans" (a 'race' to which he didn't himself belong) should rule the world, subjugating "the lesser races". His hatred was particularly directed towards his scapegoats, the Jews, and Slavs, Poles, Gypsies (Romanov), homosexuals, the elderly, the disabled, etc. As to the question of whether he hated the Welsh and such, as they are Celtic stock I'd have to say not particularly. I believe he also hated Asians of all sorts and Africans, but he tolerated the Japanese alliance..probably considered them a low priority, useful in the short term and then he'd deal with them later.

I wouldn't recognize sarcasm if it hit me in the face

AHHHHH, retards are invading NS!

Hey, screw you. First of all, some of these people in this thread actually do believe this. How the hell am I supposed to differentiate between people pretending to be Nazis and people who are Nazis when they make the same arguments? Second of all, it is a response to all the fascist imbeciles who either 1) deny the existance of the holocaust 2) support germany having won the war so the UK would have better immigration laws (??) because they are a xenophobic ass. It doesn't seem fair to criticize me for missing an argument that actual nazis make..

Ok, let me set this straight. The Aryans were, as the last poster said, a dark-skinned, dark-eyed race of people who invaded india hundreds of years ago. Somehow, Hitler took the name and said that Aryans were light-skinned, blue-eyed blond-haired people of germanic or nordic stock. Hitler hated everyone else and thought that his "Aryans" (a 'race' to which he didn't himself belong) should rule the world, subjugating "the lesser races". His hatred was particularly directed towards his scapegoats, the Jews, and Slavs, Poles, Gypsies (Romanov), homosexuals, the elderly, the disabled, etc. As to the question of whether he hated the Welsh and such, as they are Celtic stock I'd have to say not particularly. I believe he also hated Asians of all sorts and Africans, but he tolerated the Japanese alliance..probably considered them a low priority, useful in the short term and then he'd deal with them later.

So as long as you were germanic and non-jewish you were fine. Celtic stock did not bother him or he saw them as "aryan" as well. So i'm in the clear, cool.

Barokstadt, read up on sarcasm, will you?

sarcasm is a poor form of wit.

but i guess a little is better than nothing

Hey, screw you. First of all, some of these people in this thread actually do believe this. How the hell am I supposed to differentiate between people pretending to be Nazis and people who are Nazis when they make the same arguments? Second of all, it is a response to all the fascist imbeciles who either 1) deny the existance of the holocaust 2) support germany having won the war so the UK would have better immigration laws (??) because they are a xenophobic ass. It doesn't seem fair to criticize me for missing an argument that actual nazis make..

Because nazis don't make fun of themselves. Didn't you read the whole part about tinfoil hats?

Because nazis don't make fun of themselves. Didn't you read the whole part about tinfoil hats?

hows he supposed to know your taking the piss????
most nazies liked to wear stocking, earings, etc. Just look at goerin or was is goebbels. all that leather.....mmmmm.... lol

Ok, let me set this straight. The Aryans were, as the last poster said, a dark-skinned, dark-eyed race of people who invaded india hundreds of years ago. Somehow, Hitler took the name and said that Aryans were light-skinned, blue-eyed blond-haired people of germanic or nordic stock. Hitler hated everyone else and thought that his "Aryans" (a 'race' to which he didn't himself belong) should rule the world, subjugating "the lesser races". His hatred was particularly directed towards his scapegoats, the Jews, and Slavs, Poles, Gypsies (Romanov), homosexuals, the elderly, the disabled, etc. As to the question of whether he hated the Welsh and such, as they are Celtic stock I'd have to say not particularly. I believe he also hated Asians of all sorts and Africans, but he tolerated the Japanese alliance..probably considered them a low priority, useful in the short term and then he'd deal with them later.
Like he also had an alliance with USSR which he invaded later. He was allies with Japan 'cause they attacked the USA an that would draw the attention away from Europe.

And Aryans in the Indo-Iranian meaning is archaic. I really don't know for sure Hitler even used the term. I think he always used "übermensch"

Ok... I have wondered why they deny this for a long time now. Didn't Hitler publicly state that the Jews were a blight on Society? Didn't Himmler and his SS scummy buddies plan on eradicating them? What does Auschwitz need gas going through shower heads and giant smoke stacks for? Or did the allies plant those?
How do you explain how millions of Jews disappeared? And Why deny it? Don't you think that they should die by your own misguided destructive beliefs?

I truly do not understand this... And how is it Hitler didn't read Revelation and see any nation that attacks Israel will be in a world of shit?

Just wondering.


... because being a nazi kills off brain cells. Then, because the nazi has shoved his head into his own rectum, his intestines empty themselves into the newly hollowed out space in the skull.

Result: the nazi becomes unbelievably stupid.

Sad, isn't it?

Oh well... It is not just the Nazi's who remain ignorant and denial of their past crimes, it is also those who stood by and let the crimes be committed without raising a single finger to stop it... :mad:

... because being a nazi kills off brain cells. Then, because the nazi has shoved his head into his own rectum, his intestines empty themselves into the newly hollowed out space in the skull.

Result: the nazi becomes unbelievably stupid.

Sad, isn't it?

As you have shown so wonderfully, nothing dumbs people down quite like years of media brainwashing.

Ok... I have wondered why they deny this for a long time now. Didn't Hitler publicly state that the Jews were a blight on Society? Didn't Himmler and his SS scummy buddies plan on eradicating them? What does Auschwitz need gas going through shower heads and giant smoke stacks for? Or did the allies plant those?
How do you explain how millions of Jews disappeared? And Why deny it? Don't you think that they should die by your own misguided destructive beliefs?

I truly do not understand this... And how is it Hitler didn't read Revelation and see any nation that attacks Israel will be in a world of shit?

Just wondering.

Nazi's deny the holocaust so they can do it again. If the world is oblivious to the threat of another holocaust happening, it can be done again with more ease than say it could be with the world keeping a watchful eye. Or that's my thought on the matter.

Hey, screw you. First of all, some of these people in this thread actually do believe this. How the hell am I supposed to differentiate between people pretending to be Nazis and people who are Nazis when they make the same arguments? Second of all, it is a response to all the fascist imbeciles who either 1) deny the existance of the holocaust 2) support germany having won the war so the UK would have better immigration laws (??) because they are a xenophobic ass. It doesn't seem fair to criticize me for missing an argument that actual nazis make..
It was a joke. How many Nazis do you know that hide in the closet, wearing tin foil hats and carrying shotguns?
How many people would deny the Holocaust in a post and then deny the existence of that post, in anything other than jest?
Jeez, read before you type next time.

hows he supposed to know your taking the piss????
most nazies liked to wear stocking, earings, etc. Just look at goerin or was is goebbels. all that leather.....mmmmm.... lol
Could that be sarcasm, I sense? Now, my boy, we all know that
sarcasm is a poor form of wit.
But I can't blame you because I suppose, as a wise man once said,
a little is better than nothing
which seems to be the philosophy of my Sister-in-Law. Read what you will into that, my friend.

It occurs to me now that perhaps this is why people get away with such illogical silliness (denying the Holocaust and such). It is caused by the fact that while they can all carry the party line, the opposition can't get together for more than five minutes before targetting each other.

I dont think there are any serious academics who deny the holocaust happened. As far as i know they just try to revise the numbers and scale of the dead. As for the nutters who argue it never happened at all, they're just nutters.


I put the number between 100,000- 1,000,000. Based on my knowledge of creamatoriums, their capabilities, the camp death books (Auschwitz records list about 115,000 dead from their camp)

I believe that most of those who died, died from Typhus.


I'd say they were internment camps, first and foremost. Confinement camps, like the USA built for Germans, Japanese, and Italians.

Zyklon B was a common disinfectant in those days, and people would use it to delouse clothing and mattresses. Crematoriums are certainly needed for dead bodies full of disease (Typhus was raging across Europe during the war)

Ok, let me set this straight. The Aryans were, as the last poster said, a dark-skinned, dark-eyed race of people who invaded india hundreds of years ago.
The Aryans were not dark skinned and not necessarily dark eyed either.

there are 3 kinds of holocaust deniers

the brats: those who only do it to piss people off. i expect most deniers online (and on the NS board) are in this group. it gets them lots of attention

those who hate jews: anything the inspires sympathy for jews must be denied. and the big lie is a nazi tradition after all

those who get obsessed about stuff: some people just get fascinated by mysteries and conspiracy theories. these people aare akin to those who insist that big foot exists. its not so much that they wish jews harm, they just get lost in irrelevant details

Oh well... It is not just the Nazi's who remain ignorant and denial of their past crimes, it is also those who stood by and let the crimes be committed without raising a single finger to stop it... :mad:


The US was unaware of the atrocities until they actually got there.

The US was unaware of the atrocities until they actually got there.

There is credible evidence to show that the US was fully aware of most of the extent of the Final Solution, as was the UK, and were repeatedly asked to bomb the exterminations camps in Poland, or the concentration camps, but refused, for several valid reasons. The average American did not know about it, hence the shock in coming across Dachau and Bergen-Belsen (Not all Major concentration camps were liberated by the Soviets, only every death camp was, a lot of concentration camps were liberated by the West, the two most prominent being Dachau and Bergen-Belsen.)

(Auschwitz records list about 115,000 dead from their camp)

Does this include the adjacent Birkenau camp?

Ok... I have wondered why they deny this for a long time now. Didn't Hitler publicly state that the Jews were a blight on Society? Didn't Himmler and his SS scummy buddies plan on eradicating them? What does Auschwitz need gas going through shower heads and giant smoke stacks for? Or did the allies plant those?
How do you explain how millions of Jews disappeared? And Why deny it? Don't you think that they should die by your own misguided destructive beliefs?

I truly do not understand this... And how is it Hitler didn't read Revelation and see any nation that attacks Israel will be in a world of shit?

Just wondering.
I've wondered about this before. Surely the Nazis would consider the holocaust one of the great sucesses, wouldn't they try to big it up rather than deny it ever happened?

Does this include the adjacent Birkenau camp?

Yes. Auschwitz Birkenau.

I've wondered about this before. Surely the Nazis would consider the holocaust one of the great sucesses, wouldn't they try to big it up rather than deny it ever happened?


Exactly. If it happened, neo-nazis would hail it as "The best thing yet." But they don't do that because it didn't happen (well not as we have been told)... Some people died, but not as a result of purposeful gassing and nowhere near 6 million.

It was more likely less than 500,000 died and it was most likely they died of typhus, starvation, and other things that accompany brutal wars. When the Germany army is starving, and the German people are starving, detainees in internment camps are low on the priority list for food and medical care.

Same way it was in the American Civil War, the POWs were dying of disease and other preventible causes, but in war, POWs usually are low on the priority list for resource allocation.

I truly do not understand this... And how is it Hitler didn't read Revelation and see any nation that attacks Israel will be in a world of shit?

Just wondering.You see, Hitler didn't believe in your childish superstitions. He had his own.

Exactly. If it happened, neo-nazis would hail it as "The best thing yet." But they don't do that because it didn't happen (well not as we have been told)... Some people died, but not as a result of purposeful gassing and nowhere near 6 million.

It was more likely less than 500,000 died and it was most likely they died of typhus, starvation, and other things that accompany brutal wars. When the Germany army is starving, and the German people are starving, detainees in internment camps are low on the priority list for food and medical care.

Same way it was in the American Civil War, the POWs were dying of disease and other preventible causes, but in war, POWs usually are low on the priority list for resource allocation.

see now, i "nicely" put CM into the category of "big foot believer"
he just doesnt realize that there were WAY more camps than auchshwitz. camps where people were processed more efficiently than cows are at a slaughterhouse.

see now, i "nicely" put CM into the category of "big foot believer"
he just doesnt realize that there were WAY more camps than auchshwitz. camps where people were processed more efficiently than cows are at a slaughterhouse.


Big foot is quite likely a form of primitve man and woman that are living in the hills and mating, which is why we keep hearing reports of them throughout time.

A german explorer in the late 19th century in Rwanda saw a large "Ape like" beast and he didn't know what it was, so he shot it a few times with his pistol after it charged at him. The beast ran off.

There was more than one holocaust. What about the holocaust that was the Irish famine or the African holocaust? Israel does not have the manopoly on the hurt feelings of the world.

There was more than one holocaust. What about the holocaust that was the Irish famine or the African holocaust? Israel does not have the manopoly on the hurt feelings of the world.



Africans have been killing each other for centuries and will continue to do so. Indeed all men will continue to kill all fellow man.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war." Plato

As you have shown so wonderfully, nothing dumbs people down quite like years of media brainwashing.

nicely spotted. as this is the umpteenth thread of its kind i've read hear or there, i was being flippantly symbolic, as you must have noticed. of course the process is more involved than that.

i wasn't actually expecting at the time anyone to be reminded of the intense propaganda campaign of Goering and his cronies leading up to the "final solution", but yes, that is what i meant. the nazis did persuade many ordinary germans to turn a blind eye to their atrocities, and even to cooperate with them, by means of this concerted effort to turn ordinary germans into a silent rubber stamp for the horrors done in their name. under the snowstorm of lies and obfuscation, many ordinary germans found themselves unable to be sure what was right, and the nazis among them found their reality twisted until they were blinded to anything but the mental excrement produced by the master race view of humanity.

but i wouldn't call it "brainwashing". that's something very different and in the case of the german people, it was unnecessary. the nazi's "big lie" was more than enough to do the job.

sequoia forests

Exactly. If it happened, neo-nazis would hail it as "The best thing yet." But they don't do that because it didn't happen (well not as we have been told)... Some people died, but not as a result of purposeful gassing and nowhere near 6 million.

It was more likely less than 500,000 died and it was most likely they died of typhus, starvation, and other things that accompany brutal wars. When the Germany army is starving, and the German people are starving, detainees in internment camps are low on the priority list for food and medical care.

Same way it was in the American Civil War, the POWs were dying of disease and other preventible causes, but in war, POWs usually are low on the priority list for resource allocation.Not as the result of purposeful gassing and nowhere near 6 million.

What you're suggesting is that the deaths of 5 1/2 million people were forged, and for what purpose? The creation of Israel? Then why has it always been reported that blacks, gays, disabled people and gypsies were exterminated as well? Where does the testimony of survivors of the holocaust fit into this? And most importantly of all why do you imagine that your revisionist history is superior to the hundreds of historians who don't share your views? For what purpose are they lying? The photos, the written accounts, the Nazi soldiers even who'll tell you what happened, its all an elaborate conspiracy? Right.

So the holocaust definately happened. One of my best friend's (who is an ardent Jehoviah's Witness) grandfathers has numbers tattooed on his arm becasue he was in a death camp. Another friend of mine, has no relatives on his mother's side becasue they were killed in the holocaust.

I think nazis deny the holocaust because they're trying to attract jewish members to the party and a history of systematically and effieciently killing off someone's people isn't going to make them want to join up that quick.

Big foot is quite likely a form of primitve man and woman that are living in the hills and mating, which is why we keep hearing reports of them throughout time.

A german explorer in the late 19th century in Rwanda saw a large "Ape like" beast and he didn't know what it was, so he shot it a few times with his pistol after it charged at him. The beast ran off.
*picks up tin foil hat*

This yours?

Well today's Nazis are old and senile, maybe they forgot...
But seriously? If you admit it happened and you were there, you'd have to pay for what you did , they wouldn't want that.

I don't think Hitler cared much for the Revelation... :rolleyes:


Well Hitler claimed to be Christian in his speechs or at least his earlier speeches thats the only reason I stated that. But from what I have seen of HImmler they were actually more into Norse mythology. Though I could be wrong. Himmler stated that, "Judea Christianity made Germany weak for exploitation." Or something like that so he was for sure not a Christian.

While most of you waste pages flaming each other, I'll get to the point.

You can actually use birth registers and lists about missing people to estimate the deaths. And by doing so you come to a number of about 6 million (but nowhere to 20 million).

Another intangible source. Which birth registers and lists? Where?

* The Nazis cremated 1,500,000 to 4,000,000 bodies at Auschwitz/Birkenau in less than two years using between 30 and 52 single-body crematory ovens and were able to keep it all a secret until late 1944 despite the fact Auschwitz was a major bombing target photographed by American planes throughout that year.

The above is highly controversial, and even more so considering some purport the number to be over 6 million.

As Communist Mississippi stated, an inevitable fallout of war is disease. Photographs of "starved Jews" can be attributed to three things:

1) Typhus
2) Zyklon-B
3) Non-stop bombing of German supply lines by allied forces.

There is no question that the Germans thought of Jews as Untermenschen, and that they were treated inhumanely. The gripe Nazis have is with the distortion of the Holocaust by Jews (ala the number killed), and, as I said earlier, with Jews using the Holocaust for monetary gain (and subsequently being in influential positions of power in various countries).

The US sends Israel 4 Billion dollars in aid a year. Why?

"Money for Holocaust Survivors" changed to "money for the families of Holocaust Survivors" when the original Holocaust Survivors began dying. Why?

Don't let any of what I said bother you. Cover your eyes and ears and guilt-trip for the rest of your lives.

While most of you waste pages flaming each other, I'll get to the point.



* The Nazis cremated 1,500,000 to 4,000,000 bodies at Auschwitz/Birkenau in less than two years using between 30 and 52 single-body crematory ovens and were able to keep it all a secret until late 1944 despite the fact Auschwitz was a major bombing target photographed by American planes throughout that year.
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In all the allied aerial reconaissance photographs of Auschwitz Birkenau, there is not a single picture that shows smoke coming from the camp. The "Survivors" in the camp, state the crematoriums ran night and day, 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. If this was the case, then all of the aerial photos would have smoke, at least one would have it! But none do!

Besides, if you run a crematorium 24/7, it will break... And very quickly!

In all the allied aerial reconaissance photographs of Auschwitz Birkenau, there is not a single picture that shows smoke coming from the camp. The "Survivors" in the camp, state the crematoriums ran night and day, 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. If this was the case, then all of the aerial photos would have smoke, at least one would have it! But none do!

Besides, if you run a crematorium 24/7, it will break... And very quickly!At the temperature necessary to turn a body to ash, very little smoke is produced, smoke is mostly unburned matter. And Nazi documents by the designers state that actually the reverse is the truth, if you allow the crematorium to cool, that's when they break. The designers actually promoted not letting them stop or cool for this reason.

All these arguements have been tried before, all have been rebuked. Get over it, it happened.

At the temperature necessary to turn a body to ash, very little smoke is produced, smoke is mostly unburned matter. And Nazi documents by the designers state that actually the reverse is the truth, if you allow the crematorium to cool, that's when they break. The designers actually promoted not letting them stop or cool for this reason.

All these arguements have been tried before, all have been rebuked. Get over it, it happened.


The "survivors" claim "babies and other people were burnt in open pits with gasoline" this would produce mountains of smoke.

While most of you waste pages flaming each other, I'll get to the point.



Another intangible source. Which birth registers and lists? Where?

* The Nazis cremated 1,500,000 to 4,000,000 bodies at Auschwitz/Birkenau in less than two years using between 30 and 52 single-body crematory ovens and were able to keep it all a secret until late 1944 despite the fact Auschwitz was a major bombing target photographed by American planes throughout that year.

The above is highly controversial, and even more so considering some purport the number to be over 6 million.

As Communist Mississippi stated, an inevitable fallout of war is disease. Photographs of "starved Jews" can be attributed to three things:

1) Typhus
2) Zyklon-B
3) Non-stop bombing of German supply lines by allied forces.

There is no question that the Germans thought of Jews as Untermenschen, and that they were treated inhumanely. The gripe Nazis have is with the distortion of the Holocaust by Jews (ala the number killed), and, as I said earlier, with Jews using the Holocaust for monetary gain (and subsequently being in influential positions of power in various countries).

The US sends Israel 4 Billion dollars in aid a year. Why?

"Money for Holocaust Survivors" changed to "money for the families of Holocaust Survivors" when the original Holocaust Survivors began dying. Why?

Don't let any of what I said bother you. Cover your eyes and ears and guilt-trip for the rest of your lives.

Is there a particular reason why you decided to post something so ignorant? The US didn't have any official program for helping Holocaust survivors OR their families. Most of the support came from the American Jewish communities and various non-Jewish charities. Current US support of Israel has extremely little to do with the Holocaust, especially when you consider how the US was not involved at all in the first years of the state of Israel.

And another thing: Jews using the Holocaust for monetary gain? That is one of the strangest things I've ever heard. Most of the Jewish population in Europe lost all of its finances during WW2, and the only "monetary gain" as you so call it has come in the form of reparation from the Swiss and the Germans for *stealing* the property of Jews. Getting back what you've lost (okay I will admit some extra is thrown in for the extremely unjust treatment of the Jews) hardly seems like a net gain to me.

You seem to harbor some resentment towards the Jewish community for having more money than some others. This money was earned fairly through a great deal of hard work over many years, so stop trying to find excuses to explain away Jewish prosperity. And stop treating Jews as some sort of monolithic group which has some sort of grand strategy and perfect unity. Jews are as diverse, economically and politically, and in some cases even moreso, as any other ethnic or religious group

The "survivors" claim "babies and other people were burnt in open pits with gasoline" this would produce mountains of smoke.What does this have to do with your other post? You were talking about the crematoriums remember? But yes this was true, the pits have been excavated and have a deep layer of human fat on the bottom. These pits however didn't run night and day and were in various locations, many away from the main camps. So what's your point?

As Communist Mississippi stated, an inevitable fallout of war is disease. Photographs of "starved Jews" can be attributed to three things:

1) Typhus
2) Zyklon-B
3) Non-stop bombing of German supply lines by allied forces.
#2 is not a disease asshole, that's the poison gas used in the gas chambers!

So you fill a whole chamber full of Zyklon-B to kill a few louses? Didn't they think oh what about all the people dying?
Heres a thinker though... if they weren't intentially gasing people in there who made the deep fingernail imprints 6 feet up into the air. Did the coverup squad pull their fingernails out and go through extreme pain just to make up a hoax? I think not.

It's a lashing out of anger based on tranference of guilt.

They feel guilty about their uncontrolled hatred and thus decide it is easier to simply go into denial.

Simple psychology.

Fortunately, for me, I have already used other threads of this topic to add those to my ignore list who hate Muslims, Jews and/or Arabs, deny the shoa, and believe the white "race" superior. I'm guessing this will become yet another thread where I don't see 90% of the posts. :)
you shouldn't ignore them because then no one bashes their points

Well, I've never denied the Holocaust's validity.. but I've never been one to care about that particular event anyway.

i would have thought people would have gotten over this topic by now.
seeing as they haven't.
all you holocaust deniers just don't get the fact fact, IT HAPPENED.
here's the proof.
http://www.remember.org/jacobs/
my great-grandparents all (except one who died before) got killed in Aushwitz/Teresenstadt. you people sicken me. :upyours:

Well, I've never denied the Holocaust's validity.. but I've never been one to care about that particular event anyway.

so, the death of some 6 milllion people, not by accident or natural disaster or normal life cycle, but by deliberate policy decisions, means nothing to you?

beside the enormity of the tragedy for the victims and their families, all humanity has been diminished. a line has been crossed - a terrible line - and all human life has been devalued because someone was evil enough to think the unthinkable on a massive scale.

if you are incapable of grasping the historical and anthropological significance of the Holocaust, try this:

since the Holocaust, the idea of mass murder to eliminate whole sections of the human race for the sake of social engineering exists. shitler didn't invent genocide, but he did help to make it a practical and politically feasible reality. your continued existence could someday depend on which race, religion, political persuasion or sexual orientation you share, and who is in power who might want you and "your kind" dead.

IOW, if you can't see the tragedy of the Holocaust to the Jewish people and humanity, perhaps you can see it from a self-centered, self-serving point of view. a world that can tolerate the mass-murder of a group of people can and one day might tolerate the mass-murder of any group of people, even a group that includes you.

-sequoia forests

On a brighter note, Hitler threw so many resources into transporting Jews to their deaths in camps at the cost the German army. In effect, he compromised the German train supply lines with Jewish martyrs while the overstretched German army were retreating in the East with a less than adequate supply line. In effect, the Jews contributed to the fall of Germany by diverting resources away from the war machine.

On a brighter note, Hitler threw so many resources into transporting Jews to their deaths in camps at the cost the German army. In effect, he compromised the German train supply lines with Jewish martyrs while the overstretched German army .


That is absolutely not correct, this had no effect on the suply lines (pity enough). Just imagine, to transport the 40.000 Belgians that went to the camps, iyt only needed them 8 trains between 1942 and the first week of august 1944, those trains could transport 1000's of persons in those catlle wagons.

It is an urban legend that it affected the front or logistics. Huge armies like that one could/ can very easy mis the trains needed for those transports.

It is also so that every other train had priority in case of a conflict about a traintraject. In this case the prisonnartrain could wait even 2 days in the burning sun until the last small train on that track left before they could go on. Of course this caused lots of aditional deads.


Even the "Algemeine SS" used in C. camps wqs not mised at the front, regarding the few numbers, 1000's of them but those guys number would not even be enough for a division, perhaps half a division or a regiment plus a brigade.

While I'm happy that some1 is attacking the Nazi denial of the Holocaust, I dont want this turning into a 'OMG TEH HOLOCAUST WUZ FAKED!!!111oneone' 'OH NO IT WUZNT JOO NAZI!!11' thread like all others seem to

It was technically approximately 11 people killed in the Holocaust, 5.7 million+ were Jews, and the numbers are more or less fixed around the point of 6 million. The Holocaust was also intended to get rid of the mentally handicapped, the Roma, homosexuals and Slavs. Einsatzgruppen death squads and officials intentionally gassing and shooting Jewish POWs adds to the totals.

A project much like talkorigins.com was set up in order to rebutt denier claims, it is here (http://www.nizkor.org/).

yeah it doesnt make sense that they say the holacaust didnt happen but then they talk about how they have to kill the Jews. So technically they should be happy it happened admit it and celebrate it because it started what they are trying to do.

Well actually...... i think they deny it because they want to believe it didnt hapen but in real life it really did! They just want to forget which will never happen because they actually did do it!!

Bleh, let it go. People don't get mad when they deny it, they just like the attention.[/serious]

I mean really, it's over, let it go. Just because 6 Million Jews died doesn't mean we should be talking about it to today.[/sarcasm]

Another thing here, can you believe Hitler was a Jew? *rimshot*

In the end...

Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? *continues singing*