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I'd like to think I qualify.

I try not to be, although I do have an abhorrence for spiders.

I try not to be, although I do have an abhorrence for spiders.
Is your abhorrence greater if the spiders are jewish tho?

Guilty admission: I occasionally have irrational reactions to people of Japanese extraction, due to what my grandfather underwent as a POW, but I know this to be irrational and keep it under control.

I dont think i am racist. I am also not anti semitic but i do despise the Israeli State.

To steal a line from Dennis MIller (from back when he was actually funny), why should I hate someone for their ethnicity or heritage when I can get to know them and have a really good reason to hate them?

I don't think I am either. We sometimes joke about it in my group of friends which is multi-cultural (I'm not bragging, I'm just stating), but none of us are ever serious about it.

Not racist...love everyone no matter what color, shape, or size


I guess that's why all my friends call me "hippy" lol

There are plenty of anti-racists here, why do you think the racist/anti-semite threads grow to such overblown proportions? It's because so many of us post denouncing what these knuckleheads are saying.

There are plenty of anti-racists here, why do you think the racist/anti-semite threads grow to such overblown proportions? It's because so many of us post denouncing what these knuckleheads are saying.

Which makes a lot of the anti-racist people as incohate as the people they criticize and hypocritical to boot.

Try not to be. But I do hate a lot of things and a lot of people.

Is your abhorrence greater if the spiders are jewish tho?

No. I hate all spiders equally.

I hate everybody equally.

We sometimes joke about it in my group of friends which is multi-cultural (I'm not bragging, I'm just stating), but none of us are ever serious about it.
My peer group is as very white but i dont think that makes me any more prone to racism. (or at least i hope not)

Which makes a lot of the anti-racist people as incohate as the people they criticize and hypocritical to boot.

Assuming that you meant to type 'inchoate', did you really mean 'undeveloped'?

actually I like Jewish people very much... and as far as my preference in guys, for some reason I find Jewish guys quite attractive, if not preferable. (fyi, I'm not Jewish...)

and I'm not racist to the best of my intentions.

Racism in the nation of New Vinnland is rare...accept towards Eskimos, who rule the world by Proxy.

In all seriousness, though, I do feel that some cultures are inferior/superior in comparison to others, imho, depending on how primitive and/or oppressive they are.

Only the genetically modified.

As far as i know, and as far as i understand this thread, i'm not racist at all within human parameters. However, i do find myself often at odds with large-scale group thinking when matters of mutual concern take a turn not unlike the United States' current political climate of vitriol, lies and manipulation. Those things tend to make me dislike a group of people as long as they foster those qualities sans due process of thinking and rational judgment.

Assuming that you meant to type 'inchoate', did you really mean 'undeveloped'?

Yes, "undeveloped", as in "immature", or perhaps "not using the thinking cap". I've actually seen an anti-racist argue for stripping racists of all their rights, since the local racists wanted to strip foreigners of their rights.

Does this sound a wee bit flawed to anyone else?

I'm hispanic. I don't think I ever met a racist hispanic. Have you?

Well, the concept of race itself is a bit subjective and abstract, trying to generalize something as complex as genealogy.

As for denying speech rights to racists; morality isn't objective, and the idea of a government trying to legislate such is oppressive. Only if such thought is turned into action that violates another's rights should one be concerned.

Just my 2 cents.

Oh, I am one of the few true "racists," I hate the whole thrice-damned Human race. I hate its ridiculous inner devisieness. I hate its rampant guilt problems. I hate its inability to realize its inner demons. I hate the fact that the vast makority of humans can't make a joke, and those that can can't take one. I hate the false attempts to cover people's problems with the false cures of religion, alcohol, and drugs.

You can wrestle your demons for your whole life, or give in and see just how fun they are at parties/sacrificial ceremonies.

Well, I acknowledge there are racial differences and traits, since that's simply the way genetics works. However, I don't feel any particular group should be hated or denied rights simply based on blood alone. No one chooses their heritage. All groups have their outstanding individuals, and all groups have their lowlife scum (maybe some more than others?). But I think that's more of a cultural thing than it is a racial thing.

I'm hispanic. I don't think I ever met a racist hispanic. Have you?


I have a friend who is half mexican, half cracker, and we have a running joke that he dislikes Jews.
He doesnt really, of course, but we both find the idea of a nazi mexican very amusing.

As for me, I would never hate anyone based soley on thier color, or nationality.

There are plenty of other reasons to hate people.

actually I like Jewish people very much... and as far as my preference in guys, for some reason I find Jewish guys quite attractive, if not preferable. (fyi, I'm not Jewish...)

and I'm not racist to the best of my intentions.

Oh my a Shiksa (sorry about the spelling I am not Jewish.)

I don't think I'm racist, unless getting pissed at that whole politically correct bull makes you a racist one...

Well, the concept of race itself is a bit subjective and abstract, trying to generalize something as complex as genealogy.

As for denying speech rights to racists; morality isn't objective, and the idea of a government trying to legislate such is oppressive. Only if such thought is turned into action that violates another's rights should one be concerned.

Just my 2 cents.

Well I see it as more dangerous than just the government being oppressive. Racism does not go away if you force people to stop speaking racist. People can act racist without even really thinking about it. But im with you down with PC garbage lets let these people show how arrogant and pigheaded they are.

Yes, "undeveloped", as in "immature", or perhaps "not using the thinking cap".

Sorry about that, I just used to know someone that kept on using it as a synonym for 'chaotic' or 'incoherent'.

I am not a racist--ALL people, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, and so on, must earn respect with me on an individual basis.

Race is overblown as it is. Are you telling me that an African American has more in common with an actual resident of Africa that he/she has with their fellow Americans?
Sure, everyone can have an opinion as to what nationality/culture is the best, but each has something we can all learn from. Being aware of differences doesn't make one a culturist (is that a word?) though. Nor, necessarily, is treating someone different (codes of conduct and manners differ from culture to culture.) Treating someone less well or failing to respect them based on race, creed, or culture is the real sin.

While I don't necessarily mind political organizations based on race, I dislike it when they don't make an attempt to reach out to others, or complain about treatment without offering solutions.

Well, I find to difficult to respect a culture that believes and practices things that I personally find objectional.

Let me clarify. Morally, I believe people have the right to do and live as they will, aslong they don't infringe upon anothers rights to do the same.
However, when a culture embodies something that I find unjust or irrational (like treating their women like dirt, stoning someone to death for "heresy", etc.) I find them abhorrent.

As for "political correctness", I find the general notion full of double standards, hypocrisy, and presumptions.
For example, it's socially acceptable for blacks to criticize of white culture, but it's socially unacceptable for whites to criticize black culture, etc.
PC=BS

Im surrounded by rascists all of one form or another.

Maybe not house burning, race hate activists. But by people who say the odd thing about "these people" and actively discriminate them in their daily lives. Maybe without even knowing theyre doing it.

People like ex-colleagues and bosses of mine who will not hire whole groups of people because of cultural stereotypes. Or others who will not date outside of their race for some misguided race saving one person mission that they're on.

And its worse because they're not rascist, but...

People like ex-colleagues and bosses of mine who will not hire whole groups of people because of cultural stereotypes.

They can get into SERIOUS legal trouble for that if anybody ever calls them on it.

They can get into SERIOUS legal trouble for that if anybody ever calls them on it.

Well, there were other legal things going on there they could get into trouble for too. Its not for me to get into but it was easier for me to leave than to 'fight the system' lets say.

Their ignorant words against mine, and in reality - too much paperwork and public money to be spent arguing about it I think so it just goes on :s

I'm not, but only because I hate everyone equally. I hate black people as much as I hate white people or pink people or dark green people. I just pretty much hate anyone who isn't me.

Well, there were other legal things going on there they could get into trouble for too. Its not for me to get into but it was easier for me to leave than to 'fight the system' lets say.

Their ignorant words against mine, and in reality - too much paperwork and public money to be spent arguing about it I think so it just goes on :s

Short of challenging them, leaving is probably the best thing. To have remained there would've been a silent acquiescence to what they were doing.

"Quien calla, otorga."

He who remains silent gives consent.

I only discriminate against stupid people.

If some people feel that part of being a member of a particular ethnicity entitles or requires them to speak incomprehensibly, intimidate others or act "ghetto," the folly is theirs. If they feel that educating oneself, becoming a bastion of the community and treating others with respect and maturity is "acting white," the folly is again theirs. If still others find certain groups of people to be inferior by circumstances of birth rather than personal merit, once again, the folly is theirs.

Well, from a psychological perspective everyone is "racist" to atleast some extent, albeit subconsciously. Prejudice is just human nature. We naturally have a fear or apprehension towards things of unfamiliarity.

Not racist...love everyone no matter what color, shape, or size


I guess that's why all my friends call me "hippy" lol
Yeah, those people tick me off like nuts... just because you're a geniunely good person and look on the bright side of things they think you're a pansy... I mean, why? Why are they like that? :headbang:

But yeah, I like everybody. Even bad personalities. There's always cause and effect; maybe Hitler was such a jerk was because he had a bad upbringing. I dunno really, I suppose there are people who have read about him. Was he insane? Beats me.

Well, from a psychological perspective everyone is "racist" to atleast some extent, albeit subconsciously. Prejudice is just human nature. We naturally have a fear or apprehension towards things of unfamiliarity.
True enough, but it shouldn't be hard to overcome.

Or others who will not date outside of their race for some misguided race saving one person mission that they're on.




How about you let people date who they want and don't yell at them for not subscribing to your false dogma of miscegenation.

I'm going to admit to something; I'm a white man, and whenever I see a white women with a man of another race, it bothers me a little. But when I see a white man with a woman of another race, it doesn't bother me in the slightest (yet the former is more common than the later). In fact, I myself find many women of other races attractive.
Now I know that these feelings aren't exactly rational or ethical, but it's something I still feel nonetheless. Thoughts, theories?

I'm not racist, although once somebody called me a racist because I said that lots of R&B singers have silly names.

I'm not anti-Semetic either, although I dislike the whinging that some rabbis do; and I think the actual Jewish religion is full of and based on silly superstitions which have no place in today's society. "Evil eye" my ass!

At least Jews and their religion are not dangerous. I think Islam is quite a dangerous thing to believe in (although it's only dangerous if you're an uncivilised human being... guns vs people killing people?)

Lots of people call me a "homophobe", but the only things I'm afraid of are large spiders. And in any case, I don't hate homosexuals, I just dislike and disapprove of the way they behave. And I don't even mind transsexuals, so there's no way you can accuse me of hating anything I don't understand.

Basically, I get accused of a lot of things and if I spent more time on this forum I would probably get called a lot of names. But hey! Names don't hurt me unless I actually fit the description.

How about you let people date who they want and don't yell at them for not subscribing to your false dogma of miscegenation.

Erm, I didnt say they were right or wrong about it?

I merely state what I actually see going on.

...and I think the actual Jewish religion is full of and based on silly superstitions.

Ah, but aren't they all? ;-)

I'm not racist, I only hate people depending on who they are; not what they are.

Well, the concept of race itself is a bit subjective and abstract, trying to generalize something as complex as genealogy.

As for denying speech rights to racists; morality isn't objective, and the idea of a government trying to legislate such is oppressive. Only if such thought is turned into action that violates another's rights should one be concerned.

Just my 2 cents.

Funny, my nation just recieved this as an issue to address.

Erm, I didnt say they were right or wrong about it?

I merely state what I actually see going on.

Oh, don't mind him. He's a belligerent conservative nutjob who is an insult even to Christians... not that it matter to him anyways, he's convinced it's the end of days (and all sorts of various mythological crap).

I'm Not Racist, I Hate You All Equally.

I'm Not Racist, I Hate You All Equally.

I give you -5.3 for originality. But a 10 for style... (huh?)

Oh, don't mind him. He's a belligerent conservative nutjob who is an insult even to Christians... not that it matter to him anyways, he's convinced it's the end of days (and all sorts of various mythological crap).

Religious memes and unstable minds do not mix.

Personally, as an anarchist at heart, I have no prejudice except that against those who are prejudice themselves. Though I still believe that everyone has a right to their view no matter how misguided and stone-age it is. However, what worries me most is the covert racism that has become common throughout the west post 9/11..

For example, an article by a Wall Street Journalist:

"Terror in the Skies, Again?

By Annie Jacobsen

A WWS Exclusive Article


Note from the E-ditors: You are about to read an account of what happened during a domestic flight that one of our writers, Annie Jacobsen, took from Detroit to Los Angeles. The WWS Editorial Team debated long and hard about how to handle this information and ultimately we decided it was something that should be shared. What does it have to do with finances? Nothing, and everything. Here is Annie's story.

On June 29, 2004, at 12:28 p.m., I flew on Northwest Airlines flight #327 from Detroit to Los Angeles with my husband and our young son. Also on our flight were 14 Middle Eastern men between the ages of approximately 20 and 50 years old. What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats.

On that Tuesday, our journey began uneventfully. Starting out that morning in Providence, Rhode Island, we went through security screening, flew to Detroit, and passed the time waiting for our connecting flight to Los Angeles by shopping at the airport stores and eating lunch at an airport diner. With no second security check required in Detroit we headed to our gate and waited for the pre-boarding announcement. Standing near us, also waiting to pre-board, was a group of six Middle Eastern men. They were carrying blue passports with Arabic writing. Two men wore tracksuits with Arabic writing across the back. Two carried musical instrument cases - thin, flat, 18 long. One wore a yellow T-shirt and held a McDonald's bag. And the sixth man had a bad leg -- he wore an orthopedic shoe and limped. When the pre-boarding announcement was made, we handed our tickets to the Northwest Airlines agent, and walked down the jetway with the group of men directly behind us.

My four-year-old son was determined to wheel his carry-on bag himself, so I turned to the men behind me and said, You go ahead, this could be awhile. No, you go ahead, one of the men replied. He smiled pleasantly and extended his arm for me to pass. He was young, maybe late 20's and had a goatee. I thanked him and we boarded the plane.

Once on the plane, we took our seats in coach (seats 17A, 17B and 17C). The man with the yellow shirt and the McDonald's bag sat across the aisle from us (in seat 17E). The pleasant man with the goatee sat a few rows back and across the aisle from us (in seat 21E). The rest of the men were seated throughout the plane, and several made their way to the back.





As we sat waiting for the plane to finish boarding, we noticed another large group of Middle Eastern men boarding. The first man wore a dark suit and sunglasses. He sat in first class in seat 1A, the seat second-closest to the cockpit door. The other seven men walked into the coach cabin. As aware Americans, my husband and I exchanged glances, and then continued to get comfortable. I noticed some of the other passengers paying attention to the situation as well. As boarding continued, we watched as, one by one, most of the Middle Eastern men made eye contact with each other. They continued to look at each other and nod, as if they were all in agreement about something. I could tell that my husband was beginning to feel anxious.

The take-off was uneventful. But once we were in the air and the seatbelt sign was turned off, the unusual activity began. The man in the yellow T-shirt got out of his seat and went to the lavatory at the front of coach -- taking his full McDonald's bag with him. When he came out of the lavatory he still had the McDonald's bag, but it was now almost empty. He walked down the aisle to the back of the plane, still holding the bag. When he passed two of the men sitting mid-cabin, he gave a thumbs-up sign. When he returned to his seat, he no longer had the McDonald's bag.

Then another man from the group stood up and took something from his carry-on in the overhead bin. It was about a foot long and was rolled in cloth. He headed toward the back of the cabin with the object. Five minutes later, several more of the Middle Eastern men began using the forward lavatory consecutively. In the back, several of the men stood up and used the back lavatory consecutively as well.

For the next hour, the men congregated in groups of two and three at the back of the plane for varying periods of time. Meanwhile, in the first class cabin, just a foot or so from the cockpit door, the man with the dark suit - still wearing sunglasses - was also standing. Not one of the flight crew members suggested that any of these men take their seats.

Watching all of this, my husband was now beyond anxious. I decided to try to reassure my husband (and maybe myself) by walking to the back bathroom. I knew the goateed-man I had exchanged friendly words with as we boarded the plane was seated only a few rows back, so I thought I would say hello to the man to get some reassurance that everything was fine. As I stood up and turned around, I glanced in his direction and we made eye contact. I threw out my friendliest remember-me-we-had-a-nice-exchange-just-a-short-time-ago smile. The man did not smile back. His face did not move. In fact, the cold, defiant look he gave me sent shivers down my spine.


When I returned to my seat I was unable to assure my husband that all was well. My husband immediately walked to the first class section to talk with the flight attendant. I might be overreacting, but I've been watching some really suspicious things... Before he could finish his statement, the flight attendant pulled him into the galley. In a quiet voice she explained that they were all concerned about what was going on. The captain was aware. The flight attendants were passing notes to each other. She said that there were people on board higher up than you and me watching the men. My husband returned to his seat and relayed this information to me. He was feeling slightly better. I was feeling much worse. We were now two hours into a four-and-a-half hour flight.

Approximately 10 minutes later, that same flight attendant came by with the drinks cart. She leaned over and quietly told my husband there were federal air marshals sitting all around us. She asked him not to tell anyone and explained that she could be in trouble for giving out that information. She then continued serving drinks.

About 20 minutes later the same flight attendant returned. Leaning over and whispering, she asked my husband to write a description of the yellow-shirted man sitting across from us. She explained it would look too suspicious if she wrote the information. She asked my husband to slip the note to her when he was done.

After seeing 14 Middle Eastern men board separately (six together, eight individually) and then act as a group, watching their unusual glances, observing their bizarre bathroom activities, watching them congregate in small groups, knowing that the flight attendants and the pilots were seriously concerned, and now knowing that federal air marshals were on board, I was officially terrified. Before I'm labeled a racial profiler or -- worse yet -- a racist, let me add this. A month ago I traveled to India to research a magazine article I was writing. My husband and I flew on a jumbo jet carrying more than 300 Hindu and Muslim men and women on board. We traveled throughout the country and stayed in a Muslim village 10 miles outside Pakistan. I never once felt fearful. I never once felt unsafe. I never once had the feeling that anyone wanted to hurt me. This time was different.

Finally, the captain announced that the plane was cleared for landing. It had been four hours since we left Detroit. The fasten seat belt light came on and I could see downtown Los Angeles. The flight attendants made one final sweep of the cabin and strapped themselves in for landing. I began to relax. Home was in sight.


Suddenly, seven of the men stood up -- in unison -- and walked to the front and back lavatories. One by one, they went into the two lavatories, each spending about four minutes inside. Right in front of us, two men stood up against the emergency exit door, waiting for the lavatory to become available. The men spoke in Arabic among themselves and to the man in the yellow shirt sitting nearby. One of the men took his camera into the lavatory. Another took his cell phone. Again, no one approached the men. Not one of the flight attendants asked them to sit down. I watched as the man in the yellow shirt, still in his seat, reached inside his shirt and pulled out a small red book. He read a few pages, then put the book back inside his shirt. He pulled the book out again, read a page or two more, and put it back. He continued to do this several more times.

I looked around to see if any other passengers were watching. I immediately spotted a distraught couple seated two rows back. The woman was crying into the man's shoulder. He was holding her hand. I heard him say to her, You've got to calm down. Behind them sat the once pleasant-smiling, goatee-wearing man.

I grabbed my son, I held my husband's hand and, despite the fact that I am not a particularly religious person, I prayed. The last man came out of the bathroom, and as he passed the man in the yellow shirt he ran his forefinger across his neck and mouthed the word No.

The plane landed. My husband and I gathered our bags and quickly, very quickly, walked up the jetway. As we exited the jetway and entered the airport, we saw many, many men in dark suits. A few yards further out into the terminal, LAPD agents ran past us, heading for the gate. I have since learned that the representatives of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), the Federal Air Marshals (FAM), and the Transportation Security Association (TSA) met our plane as it landed. Several men -- who I presume were the federal air marshals on board -- hurried off the plane and directed the 14 men over to the side.

Knowing what we knew, and seeing what we'd seen, my husband and I decided to talk to the authorities. For several hours my husband and I were interrogated by the FBI. We gave sworn statement after sworn statement. We wrote down every detail of our account. The interrogators seemed especially interested in the McDonald's bag, so we repeated in detail what we knew about the McDonald's bag. A law enforcement official stood near us, holding 14 Syrian passports in his hand. We answered more questions. And finally we went home.






Home Sweet Home
The next day, I began searching online for news about the incident. There was nothing. I asked a friend who is a local news correspondent if there were any arrests at LAX that day. There weren't. I called Northwest Airlines' customer service. They said write a letter. I wrote a letter, then followed up with a call to their public relations department. They said they were aware of the situation (sorry that happened!) but legally they have 30 days to reply.

I shared my story with a few colleagues. One mentioned she'd been on a flight with a group of foreign men who were acting strangely -- they turned out to be diamond traders. Another had heard a story on National Public Radio (NPR) shortly after 9/11 about a group of Arab musicians who were having a hard time traveling on airplanes throughout the U.S. and couldn't get seats together. I took note of these two stories and continued my research. Here are excerpts from an article written by Jason Burke, Chief Reporter, and published in The Observer (a British newspaper based in London) on February 8, 2004:

Terrorist bid to build bombs in mid-flight: Intelligence reveals dry runs of new threat to blow up airliners

Islamic militants have conducted dry runs of a devastating new style of bombing on aircraft flying to Europe, intelligence sources believe.

The tactics, which aim to evade aviation security systems by placing only components of explosive devices on passenger jets, allowing militants to assemble them in the air, have been tried out on planes flying between the Middle East, North Africa and Western Europe, security sources say.

...The... Transportation Security Administration issued an urgent memo detailing new threats to aviation and warning that terrorists in teams of five might be planning suicide missions to hijack commercial airliners, possibly using common items...such as cameras, modified as weapons.

...Components of IEDs can be smuggled on to an aircraft, concealed in either clothing or personal carry-on items... and assembled on board. In many cases of suspicious passenger activity, incidents have taken place in the aircraft's forward lavatory.

So here's my question: Since the FBI issued a warning to the airline industry to be wary of groups of five men on a plane who might be trying to build bombs in the bathroom, shouldn't a group of 14 Middle Eastern men be screened before boarding a flight?




Apparently not. Due to our rules against discrimination, it can't be done. During the 9/11 hearings last April, 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman stated that ...it was the policy (before 9/11) and I believe remains the policy today to fine airlines if they have more than two young Arab males in secondary questioning because that's discriminatory.

So even if Northwest Airlines searched two of the men on board my Northwest flight, they couldn't search the other 12 because they would have already filled a government-imposed quota.

I continued my research by reading an article entitled Arab Hijackers Now Eligible For Pre-Boarding from Ann Coulter (www.anncoulter.com):

On September 21, as the remains of thousands of Americans lay smoldering at Ground Zero, [Secretary of Transportation Norman] Mineta fired off a letter to all U.S. airlines forbidding them from implementing the one security measure that could have prevented 9/11: subjecting Middle Eastern passengers to an added degree of pre-flight scrutiny. He sternly reminded the airlines that it was illegal to discriminate against passengers based on their race, color, national or ethnic origin or religion.

Coulter also writes that a few months later, at Mr. Mineta's behest, the Department of Transportation (DOT) filed complaints against United Airlines and American Airlines (who, combined, had lost 8 pilots, 25 flight attendants and 213 passengers on 9/11 - not counting the 19 Arab hijackers). In November 2003, United Airlines settled their case with the DOT for $1.5 million. In March 2004, American Airlines settled their case with the DOT for $1.5 million. The DOT also charged Continental Airlines with discriminating against passengers who appeared to be Arab, Middle Eastern or Muslim. Continental Airlines settled their complaint with the DOT in April of 2004 for $.5 million.

From what I witnessed, Northwest Airlines doesn't have to worry about Norman Mineta filing a complaint against them for discriminatory, secondary screening of Arab men. No one checked the passports of the Syrian men. No one inspected the contents of the two instrument cases or the McDonald's bag. And no one checked the limping man's orthopedic shoe. In fact, according to the TSA regulations, passengers wearing an orthopedic shoe won't be asked to take it off. As their site states, Advise the screener if you're wearing orthopedic shoes...screeners should not be asking you to remove your orthopedic shoes at any time during the screening process. (Click here to read the TSA website policy on orthopedic shoes and other medical devices.)


I placed a call to the TSA and talked to Joe Dove, a Customer Service Supervisor. I told him how we'd eaten with metal utensils moments in an airport diner before boarding the flight and how no one checked our luggage or the instrument cases being carried by the Middle Eastern men. Dove's response was, Restaurants in secured areas -- that's an ongoing problem. We get that complaint often. TSA gets that complaint all the time and they haven't worked that out with the FAA. They're aware of it. You've got a good question. There may not be a reasonable answer at this time, I'm not going to BS you.

At the Detroit airport no one checked our IDs. No one checked the folds in my newspaper or the contents of my son's backpack. No one asked us what we'd done during our layover, if we bought anything, or if anyone gave us anything while we were in the airport. We were asked all of these questions (and many others ) three weeks earlier when we'd traveled in Europe -- where passengers with airport layovers are rigorously questioned and screened before boarding any and every flight. In Detroit no one checked who we were or what we carried on board a 757 jetliner bound for America's largest metropolis.

Two days after my experience on Northwest Airlines flight #327 came this notice from SBS TV, The World News, July 1, 2004:

The U.S. Transportation and Security Administration has issued a new directive which demands pilots make a pre-flight announcement banning passengers from congregating in aisles and outside the plane's toilets. The directive also orders flight attendants to check the toilets every two hours for suspicious packages.

Through a series of events, The Washington Post heard about my story. I talked briefly about my experience with a representative from the newspaper. Within a few hours I received a call from Dave Adams, the Federal Air Marshal Services (FAM) Head of Public Affairs. Adams told me what he knew:

There were 14 Syrians on NWA flight #327. They were questioned at length by FAM, the FBI and the TSA upon landing in Los Angeles. The 14 Syrians had been hired as musicians to play at a casino in the desert. Adams said they were scrubbed. None had arrest records (in America, I presume), none showed up on the FBI's no fly list or the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists List. The men checked out and they were let go. According to Adams, the 14 men traveled on Northwest Airlines flight #327 using one-way tickets. Two days later they were scheduled to fly back on jetBlue from Long Beach, California to New York -- also using one-way tickets.

I asked Adams why, based on the FBI's credible information that terrorists may try to assemble bombs on planes, the air marshals or the flight attendants didn't do anything about the bizarre behavior and frequent trips to the lavatory. Our FAM agents have to have an event to arrest somebody. Our agents aren't going to deploy until there is an actual event, Adams explained. He said he could not speak for the policies of Northwest Airlines.

So the question is... Do I think these men were musicians? I'll let you decide. But I wonder, if 19 terrorists can learn to fly airplanes into buildings, couldn't 14 terrorists learn to play instruments? "



I'm sorry but that last paragraph is one of the most racist pieces of writing I have read in a while, and this made it into the mainstream media. We were also recently treated to the spectacle of a UK journalist secretly working in an olympic stadium and making a fuss because he was working alongside [i]Iraqis - god, they MUST be terrorists...

Go F--- yrself if you think like that, people with views like this are WORSE than Nazis in my opinion, at least Nazis admit they're racist..

As for the anti-semite thing, I ain't an anti-semite but I am an anti-zionist, I deplore the actions of the state of Israel and I know there are countless Jews who feel the same and I have the upmost respect for Jews that speak out against Israel!




"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.", Voltaire

I'm not a racist.

Raem posted:

"Which makes a lot of the anti-racist people as incohate as the people they criticize and hypocritical to boot."

you are wrong.racists are, by virtue of their attitude to humanity, actually qualifrying themselves as a sub human species of sh!t which is indeed inferior to the human race.
there is only one superior race.
this concludes the argument.

to refer to the original question...I am profoundly anti-racist due to a strange and uncontrollable allergic reaction to the said state of mind, and advocate the death of all those who choose a path of inferiority.knuckleheads be afraid,be very afraid.

If racism is taught, shame on you for wishing death upon those whom know no better. If racism is a sometimes naturally-occuring frame of mind, shame on you for prejudising against those whom cannot help themselves.

You're just as big a twat as a neo-Nazi really, Boslacov.

I'm sorry but that last paragraph is one of the most racist pieces of writing I have read in a while, and this made it into the mainstream media. We were also recently treated to the spectacle of a UK journalist secretly working in an olympic stadium and making a fuss because he was working alongside Iraqis - god, they MUST be terrorists...

Go F--- yrself if you think like that, people with views like this are WORSE than Nazis in my opinion, at least Nazis admit they're racist..

As for the anti-semite thing, I ain't an anti-semite but I am an anti-zionist, I deplore the actions of the state of Israel and I know there are countless Jews who feel the same and I have the upmost respect for Jews that speak out against Israel!




"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.", Voltaire

So, it's racist because... because it's a tradition for Arab musicians travelling on aeroplanes to assemble randomly with each other up and down aisles and outside toilets?; because Arabs are naturally shifty people and so to be anxious of them is therefore racist?; because you were there on that flight, know what really happened and know those people yourself to not be of any threat to anyone or anything?

And that quote at the bottom of your post is a kick in the teeth for you, seeing as you have written a whole message arguing that such articles shouldn't be made into the mainstream media.

There's one thing that strikes me about these forums - you're all bloody crackers.

My dear fellow, firstly I printed the article as an example of the insiduous racism making its way into society, which I think is something of concern to us all..

Why is it that 'Arabs' are shifty?? Personally, I think a lot of the problems faced by America are more to do with the fact that it has a very tiny ethnic minority population outside African-Americans, Hispanics and Asians.. anyone from another continent is immediately seen as suspect.. As for blaming it on 9/11, OK.. the Germans bombed the crap out of the UK in WWII but do I blame every German I see for that or have a chip on my shoulder because of it.. do I hell..

Unfortunately, most people can't see beyond the smokescreen and instead wallow in their own self centred neurosis..

So 1,500 people died in 9/11, compared to the numbers killed because of American 'Imperialism' this is nothing in the way of payback... nothing at all..

Alas, American Nationalism is rearing its ugly head and god help us all (that's if he's not American mind you..)

Secondly, yes I can despise something but I still believe people have a right to say it, for the instance you start banning free speech you're on a slippery slope..

A slope, I hasten to add, that western society is already sliding down..

If I like asian girls more then other girls on a general basis, does that make me racist? Other then that, I'll make the joke from time to time (usually insulting white people-which I am :p), but I'm not racist.

count me in im no racist ,antisemetcetc

Any one here not racist, anti-semetic, etc?

Yes! I am not alone!

I'm not racist, although once somebody called me a racist because I said that lots of R&B singers have silly names.

I'm not anti-Semetic either, although I dislike the whinging that some rabbis do; and I think the actual Jewish religion is full of and based on silly superstitions which have no place in today's society. "Evil eye" my ass!

Just a question and a comment- are you referring to any specific "whinging", or just in general?

Also, the evil eye is actually not PART of the Jewish religion; it has its origins in Jewish folklore. Unfortunately, those Kabbalah Center assholes have everybody convinced that because they wear a red piece of dental floss on their wrist, that Judaism is obsessed with some ominous, floating, and of course, demonic, eyeball.

I hate everybody equally.

ooo,ooo, me too

'handup

Well sometimes we call our light-brown friend a nigga. But that's only a joke. I mean, he's not even a real nigga.
And sometimes we tell racist jokes, but that's not what makes one racist I guess.

I'm not really racist.
I guess.

Well what some people dont relize is that everyone is at least a little racist or has a small bias its just human nature. The real question is can you suppress that feeling enough to make rational decisions.

There is only one race dudes, the Human Race.


Women are of course the exception to every rule. ;)

As my dad grew up in England, I thoroughly relish French and Irish jokes. But many of my friends are French or Irish, so I guess it doesn't really count.

As far as i know, and as far as i understand this thread, i'm not racist at all within human parameters. However, i do find myself often at odds with large-scale group thinking when matters of mutual concern take a turn not unlike the United States' current political climate of vitriol, lies and manipulation. Those things tend to make me dislike a group of people as long as they foster those qualities sans due process of thinking and rational judgment.

So does this statement mean you hate all Americans? or just the ones that run the government that seemingly started the war?

Just curious because some of us Americans didn't want there to be a war, but we realize, too, that terrorists came from afar and bombed the holy hell out of our country killing thousands and somehow have to be dealt with.

Some of us Americans are actually 5th or 6th generations removed from peoples of Europe and so hating anyone in Europe would be like hating ourselves or our own families. That doesn't make sense. And actually the way people behave after being attacked doesn't always make sense but if we had just sat there doing nothing who knows how many more planes would have hit buildings and killed people. Who also knows where all the money is really coming from to fund these terrorist groups.

I couldn't say I hate all people of a country because their country was at war, a war that might be invalid or evil. The whole people of the country are not at war. I'd be afraid or dislike their government but not the average citizen.

Well, I acknowledge there are racial differences and traits, since that's simply the way genetics works. However, I don't feel any particular group should be hated or denied rights simply based on blood alone. No one chooses their heritage. All groups have their outstanding individuals, and all groups have their lowlife scum (maybe some more than others?). But I think that's more of a cultural thing than it is a racial thing.

I agree.

Well what some people dont relize is that everyone is at least a little racist or has a small bias its just human nature. The real question is can you suppress that feeling enough to make rational decisions.

I admit, I do (but rarely) have small racial outbursts, but only within my mind (I never voice my racist thoughts at risk of other ppl's reaction). Then they just go away and practically never bother me.

However that is not the case for this one evil girl I know - while she claims she's not racist, she has made pretty racist comments about Pakistanis and Jews at times . . .

As my dad grew up in England, I thoroughly relish French and Irish jokes.

You know what they say as to why Irishmen in jokes are so dumb?

Its so the English can understand them.

I can safely say I am neither racist or bigoted...I hate people of all colours, creeds and religions equally

I dont descriminate i hate everyone

I'm not a racist... but, I do not like fundamentalists, or the very preachy religious types, or anyone who wants to infringe on my personal freedoms.

I'm not. I hate everyone equally. :D

I'm anti-bullshit, like the nonsense with whos allowed to have the title of "African-American" and who isn't because of roots in slavery and whatnot.

Total Bullshit

I'm not racist by any definition I'm aware of, though I'm not for affirmative action. However that generally falls in line with my principles of not being racist.


Noun: racism
Discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

And of course, discrimination:


Adjective: discrimination
Being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand
Containing or implying a slight or showing prejudice
Manifesting partiality

So, yeah. I don't deem my stance on affirmative action to make me pro-racism.

I'm hispanic. I don't think I ever met a racist hispanic. Have you?
Deputy Commandant at my old school. But anyway, back to the question. No, I'm not racist. I don't really like rich people though. A lot of them tend to be assholes (I lived with a rich kid for half a semester one time, and he was so concieted that it took all my self control to keep from throttling him, and I had to move ASAP before I did something I would regret).

I'm hispanic. I don't think I ever met a racist hispanic. Have you?
i knew a brazilian nazi from the audiogalaxy boards, he was funny, he claimed there were alot of true aryans in brazil. people always abused him and claimed their were really no white people in brazil and he was probably really secretly mulatto transsexual.

Racism is only when one group has power over another. What we are talking about is Bigotry.

Black people (and other minorities for that matter) can be racist as well. The black rappers saying "F**k the White Man, all they do is try and bring me down" is an extremely racist (and offensive) statement. Yet it is OK for them to say it, but if a White person says "Oh man I really dont like black people" they get labeled as a racist/bigot. A black person can say "Yo, what up n**ger?" But if a white person says "N**ger, please" they get labled a racist/bigot. There is a definate double standard in place.

The other day, I was talking to a person about my best friend (who is Jewish) and he asked "does he wear a star?" "Well, yeah, of course. You wear a cross." He then asked "Is it made out of platnum, because if it wasnt he wouldnt be a real Jew." A few people had a chuckle, but it wasnt nice at all. Anti-semitism is bad.

There are a few all-black colleges in the south. They are 100% black. If there was a college that was 100% white, the government would shut it down immedately. Is this because the White man is trying to take opportunity away from the Black man, or just that a White person just happens to be more capable of higher learning than a black person.

Affirmative Action gives jobs away from more capable people (usually white) and gives them to a less-skilled minority. If that job just happens to be one where your life depends on the person next to you, then so be it. Police, Firemen, the Army, and many other jobs are this way. How would you feel if you knew that your life depended on a person who was not the best man for the job?

I am no racist. I respect people for the value of their character. However, First Impressions are always important. They are not fair, but everybody uses them. If you say you dont, you are only kidding yourself. Judging on apperance of skin, however, is something that nobody should do.

If a black person demands to be called African-American, then I demand to be called European-American. If they want to be called Black, then I want to be called Aryan. There are different shades of white, too. To be PC, we have to respect the Black man's decision, but I get the middle finger when it comes to what I want.