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How do you think it could start? Here is a good one.

World War 3 - 2006

France and Germany, appalled at the fact the US is refusing to leave Iraq even though the democratic group that overthrow the facade of democracy that was the Interim Council ordered them out. State that they will do thier best to sabotage US efforts diplomatically to drum up support for thier campaign. Despite mass protests on the streets of Iraqs of up to 3,000,000 people - the biggest in The Arabic World's History, America has stated its intention to spread its own brand of democracy Worldwide. At 'whatever cost' said Colin Powell, 'we will enforce democracy on the people's of the World - they will learn to respect the name of Colin Powell - and respect the entire United States. These comments caused outrage on the streets of Europe, where mass riots against Governments who are too afraid to question the American Empire break out - several dozen are killed in the first days.

Meanwhile, an American Terrorist Group, known as the "Patriotic Whites of Bush's Regime' plan to plant a dirty bomb in the Capitol of France. As they were incensed to learn that France had culture, and they did not. They planned to avenge this travesty and bought tickets to Paris off of the Internet - which was so efficient by then it had its own conscience (but most of it was porn). Setting of the bomb in The Champs Elysses, thousands of French were presumed dead.

The French Government, together with the Brotherhood of Europe - Think that this was a US authorised strike. They put conventional bombers in the air and make them head for New York. In the first bombing raid of the New War - thousands of 'New Yorkers' died in a mass vengeance strike against the financial hub of the American Empire.

The US responds with a massive Nuclear Counterattack on Paris and Madrid (as Spain is now a left wing country). The leadership is stifled and it is left the The Germans to sort out the mess.

The Germans go into France and secure command of French Nuclear Submarines. They send them within a few Miles of New York and unleash hell upon the unsuspecting populace. Millions upon millions of people are dead. And Chancellor Schroeder responds by saying: "You are all dead" (German humour). As usual the Germans save the day and annex America, taking down a special list of 'patriots' who are to be executed. And thus, thanks to brave and heroic efforts of the Socialists of Germany - Europe is ironically saved by them. The US no longer poses any threat to any country in the World and people all across the World (even in the US) declare World Peace. And a constant supply of Bricks and Eggs are left outside Rush Limbaugh's house, eventually he decides to kill himself as he is always egged and bricked on the way to work. And then the whole World realises that the only goal left is space, so they create a spaceship similar to those used in Star Trek. Too late they find out those kinds of spaceships are unfeasible, and that most of the 'computer screens' were just flashing lights. Everyone blames Iraq for the fact nobody realised this in the first place and it starts all over again.

How do you think it could start? Here is a good one.

World War 3 - 2006

France and Germany, appalled at the fact the US is refusing to leave Iraq even though the democratic group that overthrow the facade of democracy that was the Interim Council ordered them out. State that they will do thier best to sabotage US efforts diplomatically to drum up support for thier campaign. Despite mass protests on the streets of Iraqs of up to 3,000,000 people - the biggest in The Arabic World's History, America has stated its intention to spread its own brand of democracy Worldwide. At 'whatever cost' said Colin Powell, 'we will enforce democracy on the people's of the World - they will learn to respect the name of Colin Powell - and respect the entire United States. These comments caused outrage on the streets of Europe, where mass riots against Governments who are too afraid to question the American Empire break out - several dozen are killed in the first days.

Meanwhile, an American Terrorist Group, known as the "Patriotic Whites of Bush's Regime' plan to plant a dirty bomb in the Capitol of France. As they were incensed to learn that France had culture, and they did not. They planned to avenge this travesty and bought tickets to Paris. Setting of the bomb in The Champs Elysses, thousands of French were presumed dead.

The French Government, together with the Brotherhood of Europe - Think that this was a US authorised strike. They put conventional bombers in the air and make them head for New York. In the first bombing raid of the New War - thousands of 'New Yorkers' died in a mass vengeance strike against the financial hub of the American Empire.

The US responds with a massive Nuclear Counterattack on Paris and Madrid (as Spain is now a left wing country). The leadership is stifled and it is left the The Germans to sort out the mess.

The Germans go into France and secure command of French Nuclear Submarines. They send them within a few Miles of New York and unleash hell upon the unsuspecting populace. Millions upon millions of people are dead. And Chancellor Schroeder responds by saying: "You are all dead". As usual the Germans save the day and annex America, taking down a special list of 'patriots' who are to be executed. And thus, thanks to brave and heroic efforts of the Socialists of Germany - Europe is ironically saved by them. The US no longer poses any threat to any country in the World and people all across the World (even in the US) declare World Peace.

Um thats stretching it... way beyond all possiblities... But thats certainly uh... creative.

Taiwan declares independence, so China invades. The rest is easy enough to figure out.

Wow, you really really REALLY hate the U.S., doncha?


That's one scenario, although not likely.

EDIT: Never mind, it seems your beef is with the Bush government, and we all hate Bush. Those that think at least. Although that scenario is still....highly unlikely.

EDIT: Never mind, it seems your beef is with the Bush government, and we all hate Bush. Those that think at least. Although that scenario is still....highly unlikely.

Its a good work of fiction.

Taiwan declares independence, so China invades. The rest is easy enough to figure out.

Switzerland declares it is keeping anything within its bank vaults for its own. The rest of the world invades.

The Russian president, still angry at the defeat of communism and the USSR in the Cold War, uses a revolution in Mexico to build up troops close to the United States. While the ground forces push up through Texas, Russian air and sea forces close in from over the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans; U.S. early warning systems are unable to detect this since they have been mysteriously sabotaged. The U.S. is unable to retaliate, since its nuclear arsenal has also been compromised. It takes nothing short of ingenuity for the U.S. to push the Russians out of the Americas, and a new invention allows the U.S. to invade Moscow and capture the Russian president.

Oh, wait, that idea's taken...

Switzerland declares it is keeping anything within its bank vaults for its own. The rest of the world invades.
LOL!

But hey I'm game. So here's what I think will happen.


2044
With the inflow of a large number of Mexicans into the Southern border of the US, that group I forgot what its called... the radical Latino group... they gain power an pretty soon a revolution stirrs to make the Southern US (half of Texas... New Mexico... Arizona... half of California... ) New Mexico. Revolution breaks out as sessecionist forces commence rioting in major cities... US troops spread to thinly around the globe, having taken serious casualties in the Korean, and Iranian Wars are sent back as weak puppet governments are speedily created in Iran and Korea. These puppet regimes crumble and radicals sieze control. Meanwhile the southern Revolution intensifies as the sessionists begin to conspire with radicals in Mexico. There is a coup in Mexico and the radicals sieze control, speedily declaring war on the US.

With the lack of support from the United STates and other major European powers, the middle east is inflamed in violent revolutions that create radical fundamentalist governments which quickly declare an embargo on the US and other key allies of America. Several European countires and Turkey quickly send troops to reclaim their rapidly dying oil stakes. Guerrila wars ensue.

India and Pakistan take advantage of the chaos and attmept to win territory from each other. China sends troops to America in hopes of restoring order and the favorable balance of trade. Chinese and American allies wage war on Mexican guerrila fighters.

Somewhere along the line, nuclear weapons are used. Retalliation follows and the nuclear holocaust destroys most life on the surface.

There.

2010

California, outraged that it does not get federal aid, and special rights for being the most populated state, more than twice of the other 49 states combined after the recent collapse of the Mexican government due to economic difficulties a Civil War over some tacos, declare a secession from the American Union. All flights to LAX are forced to be cancelled, stopping over 50 million people's travel plans. The San Fransisco Bay area takes all imports that was supposed to go into America. New Californian President Arnold Schw. declares California a new, independent nation, one that will take over Washington and Oregon state, as well as Baja California.

Turmoil ensues, as the Mexican government and the American government are both being invaded by this former mere state. Mexico calls for aid, but is rejected due to their massive debts owed. The U.S.A. tried to get UN support, but gets backfired when they found out that the UN disbanded itself because they just plain suck at their duties.

California steals access to America's nuclear missiles, and even more chaos ensues. Canada joins in the fight, only to have British Columbia under attack. Hawaii is soon annexed by California, voluntarily.


etc etc. I don't put too much thoughts into these.

It takes nothing short of ingenuity for the U.S. to push the Russians out of the Americas...

... and Tanya.

Oh, I got one that'll most likely occur.


2040

President Colodia has been elected into office in a landslide victory, promising to fix up ties with Europe, and finish the mess that America has been in the Middle East for the last 4 decades.

Immediatly after being sworn into office, President Colodia...basically threatens all members of Congress and the Supreme Court with their family's lives...so that he would not be impeached, nor would his actions EVER be questioned.

Soon after, war on Canada and Mexico was declared. Mexico was taken by a swift victory, thank's to their recent economic collapse due to a dispute over some tacos and chicas. The EU is split over whether to help Canada or not, and stop President Colodia.

Soon, a nuclear missile hits London, and then Paris. Beijing is soon followed, as well as Hong Kong. Chaos followed, as the death toll climbed up to over 10 million. More nuclear missiles were tossed around to counter the attack. Soon, all nuclear superpowers were locked in a death-match. India and China against the EU, the EU against America, America against everyone. Everyone for themselves. Third-world countries showed their true power as their rogue militias fight off anyone that comes to their turf.

... and Tanya.
Red Alert 2?

n/m this post if you don't get what I mean.

2022

The charred remains of Robert Kilroy Silk.

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/jan2004/1/8/000C5026-847A-1FFE-AFDC80BFB6FA0000.jpg

Stand perpendicularly thinking over a charred battlefield. He sparked an uprising among 'patriotism' against the EU. Though his own party, UKIP.

http://www.henley-on-thames.co.uk/ukip/Ukip%20logo01.jpg

Had no other policies apart from getting out of Europe. He came to power after 9 Million years of Conservative Rule. This rule saw the disbanding of right to human life over anyone who didn't earn over $50,000. When Kilroy Silk came to power, he found out that because the Conservatives had only let Rich Children go to school (as poor people were deemed 'economenchen' or - 'sub-economic level' - and thus killed) - this had sparkeda lack of education among young people that led to Kilroy Silk being elected.

Kilroy Silk died a day after being elected after being mysteriously hit by a train while sleeping in bed.

Red Alert 2?

n/m this post if you don't get what I mean.

I'm sure there are some secret things still hidden by Einstein in the Black Forest, so of course this scenario is entirely plausible, assuming of course, a large number of Rhino's don't get to it first.

they put conventional bombers in the air and make them head for New York. In the first bombing raid of the New War - thousands of 'New Yorkers' died in a mass vengeance strike against the financial hub of the American Empire.

This is where the story turned to 'never-gonna-happen-fiction'.

They'd never make it past the CVBG's in the Atlantic/Pacific.

This is where the story turned to 'never-gonna-happen-fiction'.

They'd never make it past the CVBG's in the Atlantic/Pacific.

That's assuming any CVBG's are anywhere near battle-ready or even in the Atlantic. Are any of them currently assigned and operational with the Second Fleet? I know some are at Norfolk, but I don't think they are crewed and ready, or even assigned to the Second Fleet, just within it's operational radius. The only ones I kow of that are battle-ready are with the Fifth, Seventh, and Sixth Fleets. The Third Fleet likewise, has several (3 I think) CVBG's within it's operational radius (they're at San Diego), but I don't think they are part of the Fleet or ready.

A small fly lands on the big red button at the pentagon, someone squashes the little bastard, launching nukes all over the place.

Everybody's like "woah, we should retaliate" and fire a bunch of missiles back at the U-S of A and a whole buncha people get explodededed.

Those who survive the nuclear bombs start a new society, free from hatred. Then they get smacked by zombies who say shit like "scummy normals" and "Peace is for pussies" etc.

So these zombies, yeah, they decide the easiest way to get food is to kill 1 zombie per 10 other zombies once a week. Zombies sentenced to be eaten first rebel and find an unexploded bomb, fall over it causing it to erupt and thus wipe out the zombies.

Only a small tribe of innuits and Charlie, the hubba bubba monster survive [/boosh mode]

2030

Russia and the US have been engaged in round II of the Great Game, with the US fullfilling the role of Great Britain. They compete over the oil and gas fields of Central Asia. Afghanistan is still in the incubator, and US troops still need to be there.
Energy hungry China and India are squished out of negotiations and power-plays in the region, so they feel very impatient. The two agree on an alliance, as they assume that the two nation's massive armies can wipe the US and Russia off the face of Eurasia. As a reward, China would help India remove long-time rival and US pawn, Pakistan.
China sends a massive four million man army in, and invades most of Central Asia. India invades Pakistan with Chinese support, while Pakistan is too stunned to act. Initially, the bewildered Russians and Americans form an alliance, with the EU agreeing to back them up. However, China sends a million man army to penetrate Russia, and in a few weeks, makes it to Vladivostok, and destroys the Pacific Fleet. After a few more months, they make it to Novosibirsk, capturing most of Siberia.
The Russian army, now fully retreating to European Russia, agrees to bandwagon with the Chinese. The EU stays with the US, but finds itself shelled by Russia. Russia, China, and India go into a nuclear faceoff with the US, the UK, and France. The result is that US forces are expelled from Eurasia and most of the Pacific, chased back into Hawai'i. The Middle East also falls. China organizes a sneak attack on Moscow, and installs a puppet regime. China is now the unquestioned superpower of the world, and India has Kashmir. Large parts of Eurasia are in ruin.

I would think that the previously mentioned Taiwan scenario is pretty good - however so is the scenario from Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell, if you ask me:

*Georgians (ex-soviet satellite state) invade Azerbijan
*During war American soldiers captured
*intel discovers Chinese are found to be collaborating with the Georgians (well, actually a splinter faction of their army) and holding POWs and Chinese diplomats who know the truth captive
*Chinese plan to supply nukes to Georgians

(well, up to that point in the game - afterwards you stop the nukes from leaving the Chinese embassy in Burma, then you expose the splinter faction for who they are, and no WWIII)

That's assuming any CVBG's are anywhere near battle-ready or even in the Atlantic. Are any of them currently assigned and operational with the Second Fleet? I know some are at Norfolk, but I don't think they are crewed and ready, or even assigned to the Second Fleet, just within it's operational radius. The only ones I kow of that are battle-ready are with the Fifth, Seventh, and Sixth Fleets. The Third Fleet likewise, has several (3 I think) CVBG's within it's operational radius (they're at San Diego), but I don't think they are part of the Fleet or ready.

The CVBG can be as far away as 1,500 miles away and still take care of the threat. And even if THEY couldn't (almost impossible), they'd alert the people who could. So not being close enough isn't an issue.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we (America) have a CVBG in the Atlantic, probably still flying their aircraft over Afghanistan or maybe even Iraq.

Those of us who know anything about modern combat also know that the CVBG is almost 100% invincible. That's right. They're virtually unbeatable.

Its going to go like this. China will take over Taiwan and have no trade with them, so after a year or 2 there economy will be in a "hurtin" so they invade USA through Alaska with there whole army, then when Alaska is taken, they go into Canada, when Canada is taken they march into the USA only to be met with a massive nuclear strike on all fronts, so China with the loss of the army nukes California, so in a rage we order a MASSIVE nuclear strike on China.

Would never happen. The subs would be detected, intercepted, and destroyed, same for any French bombers..

The CVBG can be as far away as 1,500 miles away and still take care of the threat. And even if THEY couldn't (almost impossible), they'd alert the people who could. So not being close enough isn't an issue.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we have a CVBG in the Atlantic, probably still flying their aircraft over Afghanistan or maybe even Iraq.

Those of us who know anything about modern combat also know that the CVBG is almost 100% invincible. That's right. They're virtually unbeatable.

Considering a CVBG has never faced an actual threat to itself, calling them unbeatable doesn't hold much weight, it's Anti-missile defenses regularly breakdown (the Phalanx is notoriously short on parts), and cannot withstand a saturation attack. As for the 1,500 miles away, exactly what weapons do they have that can reach that far, this is an actual question, since I'm not sure what you refer to (considering fighters take time to scramble, and might not even make it to intercept the bombers).

Now, if this is a war between the US and Europe, it's feasible the bombers might be based in Canada (hey, if we're at war with Europe, we're open to all possibilities), at which point the CVBG's are definitely far too far away to change much until it's over.

Its going to go like this. China will take over Taiwan and have no trade with them, so after a year or 2 there economy will be in a "hurtin" so they invade USA through Alaska with there whole army, then when Alaska is taken, they go into Canada, when Canada is taken they march into the USA only to be met with a massive nuclear strike on all fronts, so China with the loss of the army nukes California, so in a rage we order a MASSIVE nuclear strike on China.

How can they invade through Alaska, that requires at least some Naval capabilities, which they cannot hope to have in the face of the US Navy, the Chinese Navy (which is in fact, just an extension of the People's Liberation Army) is pitifully small. Supplying and even transporting troops is beyond their capabilities, defending them against the US Navy on it's own bases is next to impossible.

Its going to go like this. China will take over Taiwan and have no trade with them, so after a year or 2 there economy will be in a "hurtin" so they invade USA through Alaska with there whole army, then when Alaska is taken, they go into Canada, when Canada is taken they march into the USA only to be met with a massive nuclear strike on all fronts, so China with the loss of the army nukes California, so in a rage we order a MASSIVE nuclear strike on China.

Chinese nukes are shit. They'd be destroyed on the launching pads as they fuel. I'm also intrigued as to how they're going to get to Alaska, considering they have no real power projection ability.

Chinese nukes are shit. They'd be destroyed on the launching pads as they fuel. I'm also intrigued as to how they're going to get to Alaska, considering they have no real power projection ability.

I'm not so sure about that one, Chinese nukes aren't as good as American or Russian nuclear weapons, but they are capable of doing their job. In order for them to be destroyed, assuming this is not a US first strike, the US Air Force would have to fly an impressive amount of sorties in the face of the Chinese Air Force (which, while not as good, is at least capable since I'm assuming this is the beginning of the war) on ground-strike missions, using only forces available in the region (which isn't even it's main strength).

How can they invade through Alaska, that requires at least some Naval capabilities, which they cannot hope to have in the face of the US Navy, the Chinese Navy (which is in fact, just an extension of the People's Liberation Army) is pitifully small.

Possibly they are planning to just walk over when it freezes over during a particularly bad winter.

Considering a CVBG has never faced an actual threat to itself, calling them unbeatable doesn't hold much weight, it's Anti-missile defenses regularly breakdown (the Phalanx is notoriously short on parts), and cannot withstand a saturation attack. As for the 1,500 miles away, exactly what weapons do they have that can reach that far, this is an actual question, since I'm not sure what you refer to (considering fighters take time to scramble, and might not even make it to intercept the bombers).

Now, if this is a war between the US and Europe, it's feasible the bombers might be based in Canada (hey, if we're at war with Europe, we're open to all possibilities), at which point the CVBG's are definitely far too far away to change much until it's over.

We know from simulations and the science of warfare that they're almost unbeatable.

As for the missile systems, hey that's one of the reasons why there's over a dozen ships. They do break down, you're correct, but it isn't as common as we all think.

F-14 Tomcats can bring down up to 6 enemy aircraft at the same time from quite a distance away. While it's true that they may not be able to catch up to the bombers if they're 1,500 miles away, the bombers WILL be detected, as that's easily in range of the AWAC systems. If it's determined the F-14's can't get to them, they'll warn the Air Force who will likely be close enough to bring'em down (even if they have to refuel in flight). Fighters on Alert 5 can be airborne in just 5 minutes. Seeing as how the bombers will be detected almost the moment they hop off the air-field, it's very likely scrambled fighters will make it in time.

As for the bombers in Canada, you're correct there. That's one situation where they wouldn't be able to stop them.

The last Iraq war has been over for a decade. And still Haliburton and other US company forces keep the Iraqi oil fields occupied. Despite the US governments promise to request the companies to withdraw their armies. But ever since president Bush's privatization of the US armed forces, after his re election in 2004, the government has more and more problems to keep control. Daily massprotest in Iraqi cities against the continuing US presence have created most volitile situation. Also tensions are on the rise in the UK. Eversince the UK was granted statehood in 2008 they have behaved in a most unpatriotic fashion as a White House spokesman stated. The new citizens seem to be under the impression that Haliburtons continuing presence in Iraq is for other reasons then ensuring freedom and democracy after decades of dictatorship.
Just minutes ago a Haliburton spokesman announced that Haliburton, in conjunction with British petroleum, have launched operation Freedom against Saudi Arabia. President Dick Cheney stated the following reasons for the invasion:Saudi Arabias government has clear ties to terrorist organisations. Also, they are a destabilizing factor for the entire region. They stand in the way of freedom and democracy. The US government will not stand by and do nothing while Saudi Arabia drifts back into the dark ages.
This news caused outrage all across the world. The EU states, who stopped using fossile fules 4 years ago after the introduction of cheap hydrogen power and fuels, declared that they will not support this act of terrorism. Nor will they allow the use of US bases on the continent. The new EU army, wich was formed after the UK's admittance into the US, quikly took control of said bases. Russia sided with the EU and declared it's neutrality in this conflict. After thoroughly condeming the US actions and mobilising it's troops. President Cheneys response was this:It saddens me beyond words that the Europeans can't see what we are trying to achieve here. To take out a regime that threatens US national security. But whats to be expected of people who refused US statehood.
The Japanese government declared it would not support this war. However Japanese Prime minister Donald Rumsfeld granted a state donation worth 250 billion US dollars. To provide financial aid to the families of the brave soldiers who will lose their lives in the defence of freedom.
Iran and Pakistan have declared that in the case of a US invasion they will stand by Saudi Arabia. Israel declared that it will stand by the US. In preparation for the operation Israel launched several pre-emptive strikes into Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, Egypt and Syria.
After the withdrawl of US troops from Taiwan China was granted protectorat over the Island by president Cheney. Turkey agreed to aid the US in return for a full EU membership.

Its amazing how all the Americans are like:

NO THAT COULD NEVER HAPPEN, WE ARE TOO INFALLABLE AND WILL NEVER BE BEATEN!!!!!!!!

9/11 People, remember it?

How can they invade through Alaska, that requires at least some Naval capabilities, which they cannot hope to have in the face of the US Navy, the Chinese Navy (which is in fact, just an extension of the People's Liberation Army) is pitifully small. Supplying and even transporting troops is beyond their capabilities, defending them against the US Navy on it's own bases is next to impossible.

Did you say you taught History?

If so an answer to something I have been pondering for a while now has been found.

Here's what I've been able to ascertain as to CVN deployments (I don't every one sports a full Battle group deployed with it at the moment). The Fleets simply state which Fleet's operational zone the Carrier is deployed in, and is not necessarily part of that fleet.

Second Fleet
USS Enterprise - Currently at Norfolk (Homeport of Norfolk)
USS Eisenhower - Currently undergoing 3 year long overhaul at Newport News (Homeport of Norfolk)
USS Theodore Roosevelt - Currently at Norfolk Navy Shipyard for maintenance
USS George Washington - Currently at Norfolk (Homeport of Norfolk)
USS Harry S. Truman - Currently at Norfolk (Homeport of Norfolk)

Third Fleet
USS Nimitz - Currently undergoing a six-month maintenence procedure at it's homeport of San Diego
USS Carl Vinson - Currently deployed with the Third Fleet, off of California (Homeport of Bremerton, WA)
USS Abraham Lincoln - Currently deployed in the East Pacific, off of Canada. (Homeport of Everett, WA)
USS John C. Stennis - Currently at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii (Homeport of San Diego, CA)
USS Ronald Reagan - Currently at it's new homeport of San Diego, CA

Fifth Fleet
USS John F. Kennedy - Persian Gulf (Homeport of Mayport, Florida)

Seventh Fleet
USS Kitty Hawk - The West Pacific (HomePort of Yokosuka, Japan),

Four chinese reporters looking for a story make up one about America coming over to destory the Great Wall. They leave a bunch of fake evidence and the story is a hit. It slowly fades away. Suddenly the chinese government finds out about this story and is outraged. They try to communicate with the U.S but the stupid translators they're hiring at this point mess everything up. China attacks The U.S. The U.S doesn't know why but bombs the hell out of china. Some of the pilots miss and hit some nearby countries. These countries retaliate and the U.S's allies get pulled into it. Now china starts attacking parts of europe. Boom Bang. World War III.
I got this idea from an actual occurence.

Did you say you taught History?

If so an answer to something I have been pondering for a while now has been found.

Does it have to do with the islands of Attu and Kiska?

And I don't teach history, I've taught history to select people who are willing to spend some money for some of my time so they can get a better grade, but that's about limited to my neighbor's kids (who can't even name the capitol of Canada, like I could help them, damn honor students, I have no idea how they ever got on any honor roll).

Does it have to do with the islands of Attu and Kiska?

And I don't teach history, I've taught history to select people who are willing to spend some money for some of my time so they can get a better grade, but that's about limited to my neighbor's kids (who can't even name the capitol of Canada, like I could help them, damn honor students, I have no idea how they ever got on any honor roll).

No, I just think by taking on the obligation of teaching History, you in turn, have an obligation to present both sides of the argument. So the person being taught can make up his own mind, rather than somebody make it up for him.

No, I just think by taking on the obligation of teaching History, you in turn, have an obligation to present both sides of the argument. So the person being taught can make up his own mind, rather than somebody make it up for him.

Ok, I'm not quite sure how you got that out of my comments on the Chinese Navy vs. the US Navy, but, ok.

And the purpose of a history teacher is not to show both sides of an argument, and let them make up their own mind (which would probably be somewhere in the middle, since people tend to pick and choose), but to provide an objective and as non-biased representation as possible.

And the purpose of a history teacher is not to show both sides of an argument, and let them make up their own mind (which would probably be somewhere in the middle, since people tend to pick and choose), but to provide an objective and as non-biased representation as possible.

I don't think any opinion of a History Teacher's can be unbias (no offense intended) so therefore I think they should present the opinions of both parties involved in a conflict. Which presents an entirely unbias opinion of their own, and allows students to decide the difference between right and wrong by themselves.

Here's what I've been able to ascertain as to CVN deployments (I don't every one sports a full Battle group deployed with it at the moment). The Fleets simply state which Fleet's operational zone the Carrier is deployed in, and is not necessarily part of that fleet.

Second Fleet
USS Enterprise - Currently at Norfolk (Homeport of Norfolk)
USS Eisenhower - Currently undergoing 3 year long overhaul at Newport News (Homeport of Norfolk)
USS Theodore Roosevelt - Currently at Norfolk Navy Shipyard for maintenance
USS George Washington - Currently at Norfolk (Homeport of Norfolk)
USS Harry S. Truman - Currently at Norfolk (Homeport of Norfolk)

Third Fleet
USS Nimitz - Currently undergoing a six-month maintenence procedure at it's homeport of San Diego
USS Carl Vinson - Currently deployed with the Third Fleet, off of California (Homeport of Bremerton, WA)
USS Abraham Lincoln - Currently deployed in the East Pacific, off of Canada. (Homeport of Everett, WA)
USS John C. Stennis - Currently at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii (Homeport of San Diego, CA)
USS Ronald Reagan - Currently at it's new homeport of San Diego, CA

Fifth Fleet
USS John F. Kennedy - Persian Gulf (Homeport of Mayport, Florida)

[b]Seventh Fleet[/i]
USS Kitty Hawk - The West Pacific (HomePort of Yokosuka, Japan),
The rest of the Fifth fleet is in Manama, Bahrain. Shouldn't the John F. Kennedy be homeported there, like the rest of the vessels?

Why don't the French practice for the next world war now....ready French peoples.....two arms up...surrender, now capitulate .

Why don't the French practice for the next world war now....ready French peoples.....two arms up...surrender, now capitulate .
500,000 French Civilians died in World War 2... How many did you lose?

Until you face the horrors of mass bombing my friend - don't speak ill of a great people.

I don't think any opinion of a History Teacher's can be unbias (no offense intended) so therefore I think they should present the opinions of both parties involved in a conflict.

I agree, a history teacher, as a human being, cannot be unbiased, but you also cannot leave it to just the two parties involved. Let's take the Great Patriotic War (Or WWII if your Western) using contemporaneous states as an example, showing both sides it would look either as a) A crusade against Bolshevism and the inferior slavic people's or b) An end all war against a treacherous enemy (that you've never made a deal with), fought alone by the Red Army and guided by Stalin's strategic genius that liberated all of oppressed Eastern Europe.

Obviously, the truth is in niether of these statements, and cannot even be gleamed by picking and choosing. The flaw of any history class (except at hgher levels, when everyone there is presumably there after much independent study) is that the people being taught are most likely not willing to put the time and effort into finding what they consider an objective view of any event, so it's up to a history teacher (who is presumably, studied both sides, along with objective views) to present what he/she feels is the closest to an objective view, which is where bias could leak in.

Well the truth is that it was the Red Army who broke the back of the German War Machine.

The rest of the Fifth fleet is in Manama, Bahrain. Shouldn't the John F. Kennedy be homeported there, like the rest of the vessels?

I would have imagined so, but according to the site I used, it's homeport was Mayport, but for it's current purposes, I believe Manama would be it's homeport (Since Yokosuka is the Kitty Hawk's homeport)

Well the truth is that it was the Red Army who broke the back of the German War Machine.

Yes it was, but not by following the "strategic genius" Stalin, or liberating Eastern Europe

Yes it was, but not by following the "strategic genius" Stalin, or liberating Eastern Europe

But it could be argued you can strike 2 contradictory arguments against each other that aren't propoganda filled nonsense. In our History classes we have things called Source Papers, and are always questioned on the validity of the Sources - basically to question whether it is entirely true.

How do you think it could start? Here is a good one.

World War 3 - 2006

France and Germany, appalled at the fact the US is refusing to leave Iraq even though the democratic group that overthrow the facade of democracy that was the Interim Council ordered them out. State that they will do thier best to sabotage US efforts diplomatically to drum up support for thier campaign. Despite mass protests on the streets of Iraqs of up to 3,000,000 people - the biggest in The Arabic World's History, America has stated its intention to spread its own brand of democracy Worldwide. At 'whatever cost' said Colin Powell, 'we will enforce democracy on the people's of the World - they will learn to respect the name of Colin Powell - and respect the entire United States. These comments caused outrage on the streets of Europe, where mass riots against Governments who are too afraid to question the American Empire break out - several dozen are killed in the first days.

Meanwhile, an American Terrorist Group, known as the "Patriotic Whites of Bush's Regime' plan to plant a dirty bomb in the Capitol of France. As they were incensed to learn that France had culture, and they did not. They planned to avenge this travesty and bought tickets to Paris off of the Internet - which was so efficient by then it had its own conscience (but most of it was porn). Setting of the bomb in The Champs Elysses, thousands of French were presumed dead.

The French Government, together with the Brotherhood of Europe - Think that this was a US authorised strike. They put conventional bombers in the air and make them head for New York. In the first bombing raid of the New War - thousands of 'New Yorkers' died in a mass vengeance strike against the financial hub of the American Empire.

The US responds with a massive Nuclear Counterattack on Paris and Madrid (as Spain is now a left wing country). The leadership is stifled and it is left the The Germans to sort out the mess.

The Germans go into France and secure command of French Nuclear Submarines. They send them within a few Miles of New York and unleash hell upon the unsuspecting populace. Millions upon millions of people are dead. And Chancellor Schroeder responds by saying: "You are all dead" (German humour). As usual the Germans save the day and annex America, taking down a special list of 'patriots' who are to be executed. And thus, thanks to brave and heroic efforts of the Socialists of Germany - Europe is ironically saved by them. The US no longer poses any threat to any country in the World and people all across the World (even in the US) declare World Peace. And a constant supply of Bricks and Eggs are left outside Rush Limbaugh's house, eventually he decides to kill himself as he is always egged and bricked on the way to work. And then the whole World realises that the only goal left is space, so they create a spaceship similar to those used in Star Trek. Too late they find out those kinds of spaceships are unfeasible, and that most of the 'computer screens' were just flashing lights. Everyone blames Iraq for the fact nobody realised this in the first place and it starts all over again.


Man you are stupid...I am at a lose for words.

Man you are stupid...I am at a lose for words.
Indeed?

And you are even more stupid for thinking it is a serious post.

Now get back to your farm and straw hats.

But it could be argued you can strike 2 contradictory arguments against each other that aren't propoganda filled nonsense. In our History classes we have things called Source Papers, and are always questioned on the validity of the Sources - basically to question whether it is entirely true.

Yes, this is true, and when possible Primary Sources (basically your source papers, Secondary sources are History books) are used in US schools, often to compare, or better understand a situation (becuase you are right, not all are propoganda). It is not true in every case, like the Great Patriotic War, but it holds true in a lot of them. They are also used to show how untrustworthy some Primary Sources can be, such as I remember in one of my High School history classes, using source material from Mein Kampf, and reports to the SS from the Einsatzgruppen.

Indeed?

And you are even more stupid for thinking it is a serious post.

Now get back to your farm and straw hats.


You just proved how ignorant you really are. I suggest you grow up, Better yet, just shut up.

You just proved how ignorant you really are. I suggest you grow up, Better yet, just shut up.

Please just go away. We are having an intelligent discussion here and your attitude only serves to sour the mood.

You just proved how ignorant you really are. I suggest you grow up, Better yet, just shut up.

Well, besides the farm and straw hat part, he has a point. His scenario is so out of any basis in reality, that it should be obvious this is not what he actually believes will happen, and this was pointed out on the first page by other posters.

500,000 French Civilians died in World War 2... How many did you lose?
Until you face the horrors of mass bombing my friend - don't speak ill of a great people.

Haha, I won't speak ill of a great people, the french however...

De Gualle was far more worried about his own political power than the US soldiers who died trying to liberate his nation. His actions on D-Day proved that. As somebody who had two family members there, I will rip the French's actions during WW2 all day long with full justification.

Well, besides the farm and straw hat part, he has a point. His scenario is so out of any basis in reality, that it should be obvious this is not what he actually believes will happen, and this was pointed out on the first page by other posters.


I have heard worse things that people really believe...Like Bush is an alien and Kerry is related to Dracula...............

Haha, I won't speak ill of a great people, the french however...

De Gualle was far more worried about his own political power than the US soldiers who died trying to liberate his nation. His actions on D-Day proved that. As somebody who had two family members there, I will rip the French's actions during WW2 all day long with full justification.

I could talk about many an American Action that you wouldn't be so proud of during World War 2. The Battle of The River Po and the crimes committed there, I have witness testimony from a friends grandfather who fought thier for the Italians against the Germans. And every week or so saw a group of Wermacht soldiers being brought up to a small clearing in a cemetary - and being shot. Keep in mind these were ordinary infantrymen, not SS or anything of that kind - though I believe even if it was, they should not have been treated in that way.

And De Gualle was the father of the Modern Europe. He is a great man.

Haha, I won't speak ill of a great people, the french however...

De Gualle was far more worried about his own political power than the US soldiers who died trying to liberate his nation. His actions on D-Day proved that. As somebody who had two family members there, I will rip the French's actions during WW2 all day long with full justification.

Ok, then rip De Gualle, but not the French, who fought that war with the exact same dedication, willpower, and blood as the Americans. At Bar Hacheim, it was French troops who held it until they were overwhelmed, stopping Rommel from turning the flank of the British Desert Army before it could be prepared. It was French troops who first developed a successful defense against Blitzkreig (The Weygand Line, only failed becuase of a lack of manpower), it was French troops who did what the Americans couldn't do against Kesselring's Winter Position in Italy, along with Polish.

It was also the French 2nd Armoured under Leclerc that liberated Paris, and fought valiantly in the Second Battle of France, and Operation Dragoon (the invasion of Southern France), was carried out by 3 American, and 4 French Divisions.

I could talk about many an American Action that you wouldn't be so proud of during World War 2. The Battle of Po and the crimes committed there, I have witness testimony from a friends grandfather who fought thier for the Italians against the Germans. And every week or so saw a group of Wermacht soldiers being brought up to a small clearing in a cemetary - and being shot.


Whoever shot the Wermacht, be they Russian, American, British, whatever, are heros in my book. The Wermacht, particularly the SS, deserved to die.

Whoever shot the Wermacht, be they Russian, American, British, whatever, are heros in my book. The Wermacht, particularly the SS, deserved to die.

Erm....

Wermacht is just 'German Army'.

Sorry to break it to you but they are no special unit like the Einzatsgruppen, just like you say 'US Army' (when you are feeling particurlarly patriotic) they say 'Wermacht' (I think it translates into 'Defense Force').

And I believe those who dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and drove Japanese Americans out of thier homes into camps after Pearl Harbour deserve to be killed also, but thats my opinion.

Whoever shot the Wermacht, be they Russian, American, British, whatever, are heros in my book. The Wermacht, particularly the SS, deserved to die.

They were surrendered troops, it's no different than the atrocity that was the Malmedy Massacre. The troops left to defend Italy after the breaking of the Gothic Line were certainly not Waffen-SS, and the Heer only committed the same barbaric acts as every other combatant post-1942, and the ones in Italy certainly were not around for Barborossa.

Whoever shot the Wermacht, be they Russian, American, British, whatever, are heros in my book. The Wermacht, particularly the SS, deserved to die.
The pilots who carried out the bombings of Dresden, Hamburg, Swinemünde and other cities should be eaten by ants.

Erm....

Wermacht is just 'German Army'.

Sorry to break it to you but they are no special unit like the Einzatsgruppen, just like you say 'US Army' (when you are feeling particurlarly patriotic) they say 'Wermacht' (I think it translates into 'Defense Force').

And I believe those who dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and drove Japanese Americans out of thier homes into camps after Pearl Harbour deserve to be killed also, but thats my opinion.

In Nazi Germany, Whermacht refers to the 4 arms of the Military, the Heer (Army), Kreigsmarine (Navy), Luftwaffe (Air Force), and Waffen-SS (Military arm of the SS, seperate since they were a military force, but not under Heer command) so it's akin to saying US Military.

The pilots who carried out the bombings of Dresden, Hamburg, Swinemünde and other cities should be eaten by ants.

I agree with you. It was nothing short of blood revenge and as for its damage to Armament production, well that was minimal as it went up in 1944, and plus the damaged cities and towns hindered the progression of the Allies because of the incompatible terrain with rubble. It was simply Churchill's blood revenge, read some books about the Cabinet War Rooms at this time and you will see what I mean.

Hah! You've got quite and imagination there. First of all no French sub would reach the Atlantic. Contrary to popular belief that ocean is our lake. We've got the best subs known to man underwater there right now. Yes now, they patrol still. Take this, one Ohio Boomer sub has enough nukes on board to wipe out most of Europe. If America wanted the world we would take it. Also how would conventional bombers reach New York? Our biggest navel base on the Atlantic is within a few hours drive. We have a net over and around America that spots any and all aircraft that enter our skies. Good luck.

I agree with you. It was nothing short of blood revenge and as for its damage to Armament production, well that was minimal as it went up in 1944, and plus the damaged cities and towns hindered the progression of the Allies because of the incompatible terrain with rubble. It was simply Churchill's blood revenge, read some books about the Cabinet War Rooms at this time and you will see what I mean.

Not only Churchill, but due in large part to the obsession several Air Force leaders had that the Air Force could win the war by itself, and refusing to be relegated to a support role (as a infrastructure orientated campaign would have done). Arnold and Harris should have been tried for war crimes, they saw the reports, the Strategic Bombing Campaign against German railway marshaling yards, road networks, and synthetic oil plants was many times more effective than the carpet bombing of cities and factories.

Spaatz had the right idea when he called for the post-Normandy campaign to center on the objectives that had done so much damage to Germany, but Harris and Arnold refused to listen, still convinced if they could make it appear the Air Force was doing so much damage (ie, destroying cities) that it would be seen as the premier force.

Hah! You've got quite and imagination there. First of all no French sub would reach the Atlantic. Contrary to popular belief that ocean is our lake. We've got the best subs known to man underwater there right now. Yes now, they patrol still. Take this, one Ohio Boomer sub has enough nukes on board to wipe out most of Europe. If America wanted the world we would take it. Also how would conventional bombers reach New York? Our biggest navel base on the Atlantic is within a few hours drive. We have a net over and around America that spots any and all aircraft that enter our skies. Good luck.

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The pilots who carried out the bombings of Dresden, Hamburg, Swinemünde and other cities should be eaten by ants.
Any thoughts on what fate should befall the pilots who carried out the bombings of Guernica, Warsaw,Rotterdam, Coventry, Clydebank, Birmingham, London and oh so many others ?

Not only Churchill, but due in large part to the obsession several Air Force leaders had that the Air Force could win the war by itself, and refusing to be relegated to a support role (as a infrastructure orientated campaign would have done). Arnold and Harris should have been tried for war crimes, they saw the reports, the Strategic Bombing Campaign against German railway marshaling yards, road networks, and synthetic oil plants was many times more effective than the carpet bombing of cities and factories.

Spaatz had the right idea when he called for the post-Normandy campaign to center on the objectives that had done so much damage to Germany, but Harris and Arnold refused to listen, still convinced if they could make it appear the Air Force was doing so much damage (ie, destroying cities) that it would be seen as the premier force.

'Bomber' Harris was a War Criminal, some of his comments that I have read in History Books are nothing short of sickening.

Any thoughts on what fate should befall the pilots who carried out the bombings of Guernica, Warsaw,Rotterdam, Coventry, Clydebank, Birmingham, London and oh so many others ?

Ever heard of the saying "Two wrongs do...."

Oh forget it.

Millions of German Civilians died in WW2, only around 60,000 British Civlians died, so go and shove your UKIP flag right up your arse.

-Insert Fat Weirdo here-
Even for a patriotic American such as myself, that's just fucking scary. Not to mention wrong in so many ways...and good God he looks like a hairy cheerleader.

'Bomber' Harris was a War Criminal, some of his comments that I have read in History Books are nothing short of sickening.

He and Arnold were both murderers, the sole reason they were against Spaatz's idea of targeting synthetic oil plants and railway networks, was becuase doing so would mean less civilian casualties and less destruction. Railway marshaling yards are massive targets, easily hit by even high-level bombers, and generally not near civilian homes. Synthetic Oil Plants are likewise, huge targets, and far away from any civilian populations. All reports showed German industry experienced much greater problems during the time this campaign was tried, as opposed to the Terror Bombing style one, and after Normandy, the only pretext Harris and Arnold had for opposing it besides spreading death and terror was removed, that being that the Synthetic Oil plants were too far away from bases in England (they now had longer range B-25's, and bases in France).

Ever heard of the saying "Two wrongs do...."

Oh forget it.

Millions of German Civilians died in WW2, only around 60,000 British Civlians died, so go and shove your UKIP flag right up your arse.
"Only" 60,000? ah obviously you are not related to any of the 60,000 eh?
Im truly mystified as to what your UKIP remark means?

"Only" 60,000? ah obviously you are not related to any of the 60,000 eh?
Im truly mystified as to what your UKIP remark means?

60,000 is nothing compared to those Germans who died. If they wanted equal blood revenge why not just bomb them till there were 60,000 casualties.

And you are blatantly pro-UKIP.

60,000 is nothing compared to those Germans who died. If they wanted equal blood revenge why not just bomb them till there were 60,000 casualties.

And you are blatantly pro-UKIP.

Im really not sure where to even begin with you... Im not quite sure where you would get the idea that strategic bombing has anything to do with "equal blood revenge".The UK couldnt really hope to defeat Nazi Germany by inflicting "equal blood revenge" given that there are a great deal more germans than britons. The strategic bombing offence caused mass casualties- as it was intended to do, however it also forced the Nazi War Machine to divert resources to the productions of anti-aircraft guns etc.
Additionally the luftwaffe had to keep aircraft in Germany to try and fight the bomber offensive that could otherwise have been deployed against our Soviet allies on the Eastern Front.


Now as to your point that I am "blatantly pro-UKIP" - im not quite sure what relevence this has beyond some need you may have to slap labels on people?
Ah well just so you can slap the right label on me- Im not a UKIP supporter , Im a True Blue Tory Bastard ;)
Have a nice day and I hope you get past the need to insult anyone who you perceive as disagreeing with you ;)

Ah well just so you can slap the right label on me- Im not a UKIP supporter , Im a True Blue Tory Bastard ;)

Hey, at least NWV is getting warmer today. Yesterday or the day before he called me an 'American Republican Scumbag'. I was able to inform him that the words he was looking for were 'Northern Irish Anarchist Scumbag'...

Hey, at least NWV is getting warmer today. Yesterday or the day before he called me an 'American Republican Scumbag'. I was able to inform him that the words he was looking for were 'Northern Irish Anarchist Scumbag'...
That actually got an LOL , If its any consolation I think you would make an excellent American Republican Scumbag ;)

If its any consolation I think you would make an excellent American Republican Scumbag ;)

I'll bear that in mind if the whole 'fighting the system from Belfast' malarky doesn't work out and I need a new political outlook.

The next world war? Probably be some domino effect:

A) Saudi Arabian regime collapses to an even more fundamentalist al-qaeda inspired group who kick out American companies and cut-off the oil flow.

B) This causes the oil dependent US economy to practically colapse, which results in the splitting up of the union.

C) Without the US supporting them (or with a much weaker US supporting them) Israel gets paranoid and goes on a huge rampage, taking over half the middle east. Now the Middle East is half ruled by Israel and half ruled by lunatic Muslim fundamentalists.

D) By this time the EU has become so diverse from immigration that it also splits up and some of the nations are pretty anti-semtic, other are anti-muslim, etc.

E) Pakistan also becomes a fundamentalist nation, Israel nukes them, they retaliate and hit India aswell. Then Europe gets involved followed by the US........maybe China gets in there too, or maybe they just sit on the sideline ready to pick up the pieces.

Pretty unlikely, but you never know............

That actually got an LOL , If its any consolation I think you would make an excellent American Republican Scumbag ;)

Nope.

Anarchists who research ideologies and thier background and come to a conclusion, contrary to popular belief, are some of the most intelligent people I have met, and many famous intellectuals are, or have some sympathy for, anarchistic beliefs.

A) Saudi Arabian regime collapses to an even more fundamentalist al-qaeda inspired group who kick out American companies and cut-off the oil flow.

How about those fighting for a democratic regime in Saudi Arabia? Even the fundamentalists are better than what we have now.

Well, I'm taking comfort in the fact that most of these theories are fairly far fetched. I am certainly hoping the world is through with World Wars. Though the fact that we are numbering these things doesn't exactly bode well for the future.

The next world war? Probably be some domino effect:

I'd have to say this is one of the better scenarios posted in the thread. :D
However, some nits to pick:

A) Saudi Arabian regime collapses to an even more fundamentalist al-qaeda inspired group who kick out American companies and cut-off the oil flow.

Very plausable: the line of succession in Saudi Arabia is a bit hazy at the moment. http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/pubs/exec/faudexec.htm

B) This causes the oil dependent US economy to practically colapse, which results in the splitting up of the union.

Implausable: most middle eastern oil goes to the EU, Japan, and China. Saudi does supply a big chunk of US oil (http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html), but that can be made up in the short term by the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, in the intermediate term by increaseing US production (such as opening the ANWR fields), and in the long term by a move towards fuel cell vehicles and exploitation of currently marginal sources (oil sands for example).

C) Without the US supporting them (or with a much weaker US supporting them) Israel gets paranoid and goes on a huge rampage, taking over half the middle east. Now the Middle East is half ruled by Israel and half ruled by lunatic Muslim fundamentalists.

Highly unlikely: First, you haven't explained why the US would stop support for Israel. Second, Israel is unlikely to go an an unreasoning "rampage", even with US support. Without US support, there's no way they could conduct the long range, long term military operations needed for what you describe. (Consider the reasons they left Lebanon...)

D) By this time the EU has become so diverse from immigration that it also splits up and some of the nations are pretty anti-semtic, other are anti-muslim, etc.

Possible, but not so likely.

E) Pakistan also becomes a fundamentalist nation, Israel nukes them, they retaliate and hit India aswell. Then Europe gets involved followed by the US........maybe China gets in there too, or maybe they just sit on the sideline ready to pick up the pieces.

Again, you need a motive for an Israeli attack.

Pretty unlikely, but you never know............

;) Most plausable yet.

Chinese nukes are shit. They'd be destroyed on the launching pads as they fuel.

The older generation were liquid fueled and needed 30 minutes to an hour for preparation. However, the new Dong Feng 31s and Julang 1s don't. The numbers are small, but growing.

http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/d...enals.cfm#China
http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/chnukes.html
http://www.sinodefence.com/nuclear/icbm/
http://www.softwar.net/dongfeng.html

Julang 1 SLBMs* - 16*
Dong Feng 3A ICBMs** - 40
Dong Feng 4 ICBMs** - 20
Dong Feng 5 ICBMs - 20
Dong Feng 21A ICBMs** - 40
Dong Feng 31 ICBMs*** - 12
Hong-6 Bombers** - 100

* The submarine carrying these may not be operational.
** Do not hgave the range to strike the continental US
*** Estimated numbers

Interesting reading on the topic: Six Escalation Scenarios Spiraling to World Nuclear War (http://www.carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/alternatescenarios.html)

My "best" scenario (to the degree that any World War scenario can be thought of as best) is this:
2004-2010 The war on terrorism continues and eventually simply peters away, with the US declaring victory and leaving Iraq and Afghanistan.
2010-2020 The quiet before the storm. Behind the scenes, population pressures and discrepancies (the changing population of the EU, China and India's missing females), environmental factors (especially water stress), and economic discrepancies (the failure of Japan, the baby boomer retirement shock, US deficits, world wide trade protectionism) feed increasing tensions. The US declines in power relative to the other major powers of Russia, the EU, India, and the PRC.
2020-2030 The tensions of the teens begin to boil over in several local conflicts.
2030+ One of the local conflicts involves two of the major powers, most likely the PRC and Russia or the PRC and India (as they are the only major powers to have gone to war against each other since the last world war). World war follows as the other powers are either pulled in or step in voluntarily.

You wanna know how I think it will end? Ok

Ok, so, we start gettin all pissed at North Korea for not following the Nuclear Proliferations Act allowing us to have nukes but they can't make them. So we then decide to drop a bomb. Korea is now like WTF we were just building WMD's its like no big deal. China, which is high off of Opium from way back when. decieds to help its Asian friends by giving them the Northern half of China. North Korea gladly accepts this offer and naming North Korea and Northern China Pringles. Then Pringles takes over South Korea. Pringles, being power-hungry, take over Mongolia. They are angered to find out that there is absolutely nothing there except for horses. Lots and lots of horses. So they take some and it them and plan for their next attack. Meanwhile China attacks the Middle-East and all the countries in between and take them over. Terrorist activity still increases on Isreal that is now part of Mid-China. They then take the oil and countless high Mid-Chinese burn their throats thing that the black stuff was Milk. They then take Africa. Africas spears and arrows are no match for the high from Opium Mid-Chinese and they take it, it is now called the Extremely Uber Empire of The Dudes of Mid-Chinafrica. Back in the land of horses, Pringles attacks Russia who in reply scream "MMOOOOOTTTHHHEEERRRLANNNNDDDDDD" AND S(whoops sorry), and send nukes to Alaska, being drunk off of Vadka. Alaska's oil ignites, melting Alaska only to reveal a landscape covered with a civilization of live dinosaurs, which then drown themselves in the water. TOO BE CONTINUED.....

500,000 French Civilians died in World War 2... How many did you lose?

Until you face the horrors of mass bombing my friend - don't speak ill of a great people.

Have you survived a mass bombing my friend?

Well the truth is that it was the Red Army who broke the back of the German War Machine.


It was the US industrial juggernaut that broke the back of the Germans.

It was the US industrial juggernaut that broke the back of the Germans.
With the help of the Red Army.

Or vice-versa, more accurately.

Indeed?

And you are even more stupid for thinking it is a serious post.

Now get back to your farm and straw hats.

Get back to your vasoline and man on man love.

I could talk about many an American Action that you wouldn't be so proud of during World War 2. The Battle of The River Po and the crimes committed there, I have witness testimony from a friends grandfather who fought thier for the Italians against the Germans. And every week or so saw a group of Wermacht soldiers being brought up to a small clearing in a cemetary - and being shot. Keep in mind these were ordinary infantrymen, not SS or anything of that kind - though I believe even if it was, they should not have been treated in that way.

And De Gualle was the father of the Modern Europe. He is a great man.


I have it as a fact from my friends' grandpas' neighbors' cousin that it is a fact.

De Gualle was a wimp. Way to go in Algeria, moron.

I have it as a fact from my friends' grandpas' neighbors' cousin that it is a fact.

De Gualle was a wimp. Way to go in Algeria, moron.
To which event are you refering to?

To which event are you refering to?

Just making fun of NWV use of friends to back up his claims.

Just making fun of NWV use of friends to back up his claims.
*rereads HannibalSmith's post*

*penny drops*

Everyone please, it's obvious Nazi Weaponized Virus is trolling. Stop feeding him.

Its amazing how all the Americans are like:

NO THAT COULD NEVER HAPPEN, WE ARE TOO INFALLABLE AND WILL NEVER BE BEATEN!!!!!!!!

9/11 People, remember it?

I don't know if you're referring to the CVBG scenarios or not. But anyone who knows anything about modern warfare knows that conventional bombers are not going to be able to fly from Europe to America and unload their ordinance if there's a CVBG in the Atlantic. That is an impossibility, save for direct sabotage (also a near 100% impossibility) or a traitor very high up in the military.

Of course, someone mentioned the bombers being sortied from Canada, in which case the CVGB's won't be able to do anything about it.

If you don't believe me about how almost indestructible a CVBG is, just ask anyone with a decent rank in your nation's Navy. They'll all tell you the same thing.

If, however, you are talking about people who just say, "OMG America 2 god!!1 nava gona |-|@ppEn, nnoo mata what" then I'd agree with you.

Get back to your vasoline and man on man love.

I advise you to stop the flaming/baiting now, before I have to resort to more severe methods.


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Just making fun of NWV use of friends to back up his claims.

It's primary evidence Mr. Racist - From an Italian who fought on the front lines against the Germans in the Battle of the River Po.

And De Gualle was the father of the Modern Europe. He is a great man.

Why are all the highways in France lined with trees? So the Germans can march in the shade!!!

War without France would be like ... uh ... World War II

Q. What do you call 100,000 Frenchmen with their hands up?
A. The Army

Q. How many Frenchman does it take to defend Paris?
A. We don't know, it's never been tried.

"I would rather have a German division in front of me
than a French one behind me."
--- General George S. Patton

When the US State Department was asked about the impact of the French decision to not join the coalition, they responded, "It is a shame we don't have the French onboard as they would have been invaluable in teaching the Iraqis how to surrender."

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Why are all the highways in France lined with trees? So the Germans can march in the shade!!!

Becuase it looks better than just a road?

War without France would be like ... uh ... World War II

Don't even get me started.

Q. What do you call 100,000 Frenchmen with their hands up?
A. The Army

You mean like the soldiers defending Belfort, or Bar Hacheim, Verdun, the Vosges Line.

Q. How many Frenchman does it take to defend Paris?
A. We don't know, it's never been tried.

The French Sixth and Fifth Armies, against the German First and Second (hint: The French win)

"I would rather have a German division in front of me
than a French one behind me."
--- General George S. Patton

He also wanted to send the British back across the Channel, and showed no real care for his soldier's lives.

When the US State Department was asked about the impact of the French decision to not join the coalition, they responded, "It is a shame we don't have the French onboard as they would have been invaluable in teaching the Iraqis how to surrender."

Since all the Americans seem to capable of is winning.... well, except for the numerous times Americans troops have surrendered, I'm sure you could just teach them the American tactics I've nicknamed Kasserine Pass, where you just run from tanks (wait... that's what they did).

http://www.mikesnewsquips.freeservers.com/ph6,21,2patriot.jpg

Thats cute kiddo. Now do you have any real arguments? No? I've got an idea go read a book(for this read Blind Man's Bluff). Hell if you want links I'll give them to you.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-ssbn.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/norad.html

http://www.norad.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.welcome

Oh about French Subs. Heres an interesting fact. In 2000 a French Ballistic submarine was withdrawn from a patrol, it is now thought that French subs have a major flaw in their cores.

What are Trident lls?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/NC/mirv/mirv.html

And what are MIRVS?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/NC/mirv/mirv.html

Thats quite a few nukes for one missle.

"I would rather have a German division in front of me
than a French one behind me."
--- General George S. Patton
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And Patton is one of the most overrated Generals of all time, plus he was a nationalist. I'd have like to have seen the look on his face during 9/11.

Thats cute kiddo. Now do you have any real arguments? No? I've got an idea go read a book(for this read Blind Man's Bluff). Hell if you want links I'll give them to you.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-ssbn.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/norad.html

http://www.norad.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.welcome

Oh about French Subs. Heres an interesting fact. In 2000 a French Ballistic submarine was withdrawn from a patrol, it is now thought that French subs have a major flaw in their cores.

Do you honestly believe that you would never be hit by Nuclear Weapons in the event of a European - American War? Thats just blind patriotism.

Keep digging kiddo. We have enough fire power to wipe out the world several times over. That is why war will never happen. Now again I urge you to disprove me, but you can't... pathetic.

Keep digging kiddo. We have enough fire power to wipe out the world several times over. That is why war will never happen. Now again I urge you to disprove me, but you can't... pathetic.

I was never trying to disprove your Nuclear Capabilities, only I am baffled at your lack of understanding of the MAD Doctrine. You seem to think that you would never be hit by Nuclear Weapons in the event of a Nuclear War - which of course is ridiculous.

I'm baffled at how you think there will be a war. Those Subs are our ace in the hole. Only a fool with a death wish would declare all-out-war on America.

I'm baffled at how you think there will be a war. Those Subs are our ace in the hole. Only a fool with a death wish would declare all-out-war on America.

And only America on a death wish would launch Nuclear Weapons. And its hypothetical, thats the basis of the thread.

And only America on a death wish would launch Nuclear Weapons. And its hypothetical, thats the basis of the thread.

We're actually building low yield tactical nukes that will be utiliized for tasks such as bunker busting in the next century.

How do you think it could start? Here is a good one.

World War 3 - 2006
Funny stuff, NWV, I liked it!

Taiwan declares independence, so China invades. The rest is easy enough to figure out.

Reminds me of the plot in a game I have lying around here somewhere - 'People's General'. Dern good game, too.

We're actually building low yield tactical nukes that will be utiliized for tasks such as bunker busting in the next century.

Which will probably lead to increased proliferation between Nations. As America so disgustingly proved to The World. States deemed 'evil' had better mimic North Korea and pose a credible threat either conventionally (North Korean Artilerry) or Nuclear (ICBM's) or be subject to the enforcement of US Imperialism in states earmarked for exportation of the facade of democracy.