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Could someone please explain this religion? I've never really known what it is all about being Christian and all. I would look it up on the net, but frankly, I'm afraid of some of the websites I might stumble upon. Please keep it simple.

Hmmm this is their home page of modern Satanism (as founded by Anton LaVey)

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

You will probably disagree with most of what they say as a Christian, however, don't worry it's not like all as disturbing as the media paints it to be...

Just read through the links and such for information.

If you're too paranoid to go there... well... here I'll post a few of their equivalent of the "commandments" sorta thing.

These are taken directly from their website.

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Nine Satanic Statements

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

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Satanic rules of Earth

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

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The Nine Satanic Sins

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

Could someone please explain this religion? I've never really known what it is all about being Christian and all. I would look it up on the net, but frankly, I'm afraid of some of the websites I might stumble upon. Please keep it simple.

From my understanding, it's more of a Machiavellian thing than any blood-drinking baby-sacrificing thing.

Rather than give you an imperfect recollection of what I read on the site I read about it, I'll just recommend the link to you -- this site (http://www.religioustolerance.org) is a volunteer-run general-information web site with information on EVERY religion, and on almost all current religious- and spirituality-related topics. I believe you'll find it explains Satanism sufficiently, but will also not be frightening. ;) (I do mean that sincerely; I understand your concerns, and can promise this will ease them.)

To answer the obvoius questions -- I'm not a Satanist; if anything, I'm Universal Unitarian, maybe. I'm just especially curious about some really diverse things.

I will give you something abreviated about True Satanism.

True Satanism is based on the belief that Lucifer is the bringer of knowledge, 'creator' of humanity (cross-breeding), basically he and the demons are the good guys. Satanists view Jehova as a trickster who after humanity had served it's purpose, wishes to destroy us all. Hell isn't a place of eternal torment, it is instead viewed as paradise. Lucifer isn't worshipped, Satanists respect him and use his teachings to make themselves better.

Satanists dedicate themselves to advancing to god hood through meditation. They value material goods and desires highly.

To clear up misconceptions,:
Satanists are relatively peaceful but they aren't complete pacifists.
There is very little summoning of demons to kill people, sometimes to deal justice.
Satanists also treat demons with great respect and regularily communicate with them for guidance etc.
There is basically no blood sacrifice, bodily fluids are rarely used at all in rituals at all; when they are it is always from the person, not from a sacrifice.
Satanists aren't criminals. Dapplers might do stupid things, but Satanists are ethical people. The use of drugs is also heavily frowned upon.

If you have anymore questions or want to learn more, Joy of Satan.com (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html)

True Satanism has very little relation to LaVeyan Satanism. It views Lucifer and the demons as real as well as Hell. It is not out there to blasphemy the Church, nor kill Christians, burn crosses etc. (the 22nd of September is Bible Burning day though). It is about making oneself better and indulging.

(the 22nd of September is Bible Burning day though).
lol is that like church harrypotter burning days its probably just as stupid lol and i have no clue what religion i am but that one sounds stupid lol no offense

Seems kind of violent.
And I, personally, wouldn't want to "destroy" someone for irritating me.
But what do i know?

And kumi, try not to type "lol" after every three words.

And I, personally, wouldn't want to "destroy" someone for irritating me.
But what do i know?

And kumi, try not to type "lol" after every three words.

Or you will destroy him?
lol

I have no idea why that day is dedicated to burning bibles. I know that fire has long been used as a form of cleaning, like the wickermen of pagan religions (a doll of wicker would be filled with bad things and burned hoping that the bad things would never return or bad things would change), that could have something to do with it, the use of fire to stop something bad. It probably also has roots in showing defiance and the philosophy that one should have fun in life, there is not many things sweeter than watching something burn ^_^

Satanists killing people like I said is not exactly a common thing. Satanists are free to hate, so they will cause people pain, misery etc. if they annoy the Satanists sufficiently.

Satanism is pretty much the opposite of Christianity, to keep it simple. The black mass is almost the exact opposite of the Catholic mass as well.

Interesting, I was always told that Satanism actually had nothing to do with the Christian idea of "Satan," but that it had to do with seeing yourself as your own "god" in that you should just do whatever you want.

Shows what I know.

Satanism is pretty much the opposite of Christianity, to keep it simple. The black mass is almost the exact opposite of the Catholic mass as well.
Wrong. The only time when a Satanist would do something that was an inversion of Christianity would be to piss people off and have a lot of fun doing so.

Demipublicents you're right.

And for the record, pagan religions are not all satanists as the Church has protrayed.

Satanism uses the a completely different Satan then Christianity. The Satanists' concept of Satan is pre-Christian. The pagan idea i think.

If you have anymore questions or want to learn more, Joy of Satan.com (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html)

Hey, didn't know there were other members of NS who are familiar with Spiritual Satanism! I'm a member of 2 JoS yahoo groups. Are you a Satanist?

Hey, didn't know there were other members of NS who are familiar with Spiritual Satanism! I'm a member of 2 JoS yahoo groups. Are you a Satanist?
Considering it. I do aura cleaning and void meditation daily, working on my third eye as of yesterday and accept the principles. If I feel good about it I will seriously consider becoming a Spiritual Satanist, instead of being a dappler.

Satanism uses the a completely different Satan then Christianity. The Satanists' concept of Satan is pre-Christian. The pagan idea i think.
From a Satanist's point of view, their's is the original and the pagan is similar, but meh, that boils down to opinion. But you are right it is completely different from Christianity's view and similar to the pagan.

And for the record, pagan religions are not all satanists as the Church has protrayed.
Pagan religions aren't Satanist religions. Satanism is completely different from any other religion.

Some of the original ideas of Satanism are pre-Christian...pagan.
The word lucifer comes from a very old word meaning star of the morning...related to two of the pseudonyms for Satan: the Lightbringer or the Morningstar. Some believe that they are references to the literal morning star, Venus. Which is, of course, a reference to the Mother Goddess. The Goddess has a hard time of it dealing with Christianity. The leaders of the apostolic church (the orthodox or Catholic church as it's known today) took over the pagan holidays and demonised the Goddess, turning references to the morning star into references to a devil, or an all-encompassing evil that could be blamed for the fallacies of humans.

So, according to some, those who worshiped the Goddess were the original "Satanists." It makes sense, logically. On an interesting, conspiracy theory-laden side note, the name Illuminati refers to enlightened ones...or those who bring the light. Yet another allusion to the Goddess.

Amazing how many places She can be found...even when you're not looking for Her.

If you ask a Spiritual Satanist on the origins of their religion. They will state that it was the original religion of the human race, that there isn't a link of Paganism - > Satanism, but rather Satanism -> Paganism. These points are debateable depending on who you want to believe, the Satanists or historians. The main flaw in the theory you stated about the morning star becoming a satanic reference by the Church is that Satanism predated Christianity.

If you ask a Spiritual Satanist on the origins of their religion. They will state that it was the original religion of the human race, that there isn't a link of Paganism - > Satanism, but rather Satanism -> Paganism. These points are debateable depending on who you want to believe, the Satanists or historians. The main flaw in the theory you stated about the morning star becoming a satanic reference by the Church is that Satanism predated Christianity.

Of course it did. That's not a flaw. I think you just didn't take my meaning. The church used a misinterpreted version of "satanism" and linked it to Goddess worship...thereby discrediting both religions. They both became the brunt of the Christian belief in a devil and hell.

Satanic rules of Earth

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.



Seems more people should become satanists :P

Seems more people should become satanists :P

Those rules aren't really just satanic. Hell those rules are New Yorkan ;).

Satanism is pretty much the opposite of Christianity, to keep it simple. The black mass is almost the exact opposite of the Catholic mass as well.

Actually, although I think they'd like to deny it, most satanists observe Christian ritual and draw most of their inspiration from christianity, rather than coming up with anything truly original or profound. They're backwards Christians. It's just inverted. This is why I haven't got much time for it. Besides, I've done too much reading on Levay and Crowley, and both of them seem to be conmen and degenerates. I say that because these are the kindest things that can be said of them.

Wrong. The only time when a Satanist would do something that was an inversion of Christianity would be to piss people off and have a lot of fun doing so.

I did a report on Satanism my senior year in High School (last year) and considered myself one, also.

And yes, that statement is completely correct.

satanists deserve equal rights

Actually, since the writer of the satanic bible (anton LaVey) LOST the Church of Satan, it has turned completely into the things he DIDN'T believe...

Anton LaVey, Did NOT believe in a being called satan (the devil)

the founder of the Church of Satan was fundamentally an atheist. While he did use occult imagery and celebrated his own version of the “Black Mass,” the focus of these activities was to free the adherent from the constraints of “right-hand path” or “white light” religion, which he saw as oppressive. As we see in the above statements, “Satan” to LaVey was a personification of his humanistic values, not a literal being to be worshipped or feared.

Anton LaVey's form of satanism is really worship of oneself (just like all atheists).

then, there is the other kind of satanism (those that actually do believe in the god created devil named satan and do worship it)....
They do not believe or follow the satanism started and formed by Anton LaVey, if they claim they believe the satanic Bible (written by LaVey) then they do not understand or realize that the terms referring to "satan" in it are not about a being/creature/demon.... (they are ignorant).


http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis1.htm

Satanism is pretty much the opposite of Christianity, to keep it simple. The black mass is almost the exact opposite of the Catholic mass as well.

Erm, I think it depends what form of Satanism you're talking about...

The www.religioustolerance.org site suggests that three different things could be meant by "Satanism" --

1. A spiritual movement actually unrelated to Christianity (defined herein rather well).
2. A spiritual movement that consciously DOES seek to be the opposite of Christianity.
3. Mischief practiced by bored kids who think they're doing something "cool".

The third one is the one that causes the most headaches, as I understand it, because it's fueled mainly by rumor and superstition ("dude, if we, like, carve a pentagram in the ground? And burn a dead frog? We can like fly or something! Plus, people will just FREAK!!!").

Nine Satanic Statements

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

That is certainly different from Christianity. You know, we have all the love your neighbor as you would love yourself stuff.

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

Sounds kind of harsh doesn't it?

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

Now that is a rule that could be used in this forum.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

By "lair" do they mean "home"?

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

*bursts out laughing*
I'm sorry but that one is just to funny. They make humans sound like animals that should respond to a honk or something.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Destroy him? Murder seems to be a big part in Satanism.

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

This is the first religion I have ever heard of that calls it a sin to be stupid.

Well, anyway, thanks everybody for the information! :)

Of course it did. That's not a flaw. I think you just didn't take my meaning. The church used a misinterpreted version of "satanism" and linked it to Goddess worship...thereby discrediting both religions. They both became the brunt of the Christian belief in a devil and hell.
Ah, I thought you were linking it to paganism through that reference, sorry.

Actually, although I think they'd like to deny it, most satanists observe Christian ritual and draw most of their inspiration from christianity, rather than coming up with anything truly original or profound. They're backwards Christians. It's just inverted. This is why I haven't got much time for it. Besides, I've done too much reading on Levay and Crowley, and both of them seem to be conmen and degenerates. I say that because these are the kindest things that can be said of them.
Please note I was talking about Spiritual/True Satanists, not LaVeyan Satanism. LaVey did actually do a very good job reviving Satanism. Sadly he missed a lot of it and it turned into an inverted Christianity where misfits can have some friends. The two forms of Satanism are completely different, while both are the opposite of Christianity, the proximity to being completely inverse is really different.

And yes, that statement is completely correct.
Are you saying I'm wrong or concuring with me? Since it seems obvious that you are talking about LaVeyan Satanism. As I stated before, I am not, I am talking about Spiritual Satanism.

AkenatensHope, LaVey's Satanic Bible does have good material in it which relateds to Spiritual Satanism, though it is not entirely correct, certain areas are valid.

AkenatensHope, LaVey's Satanic Bible does have good material in it which relateds to Spiritual Satanism, though it is not entirely correct, certain areas are valid.


True, but you also have to realize that the CoS is now NOT what he wanted it to be when HE made it... ever since he lost it, it went to shit

True, but you also have to realize that the CoS is now NOT what he wanted it to be when HE made it... ever since he lost it, it went to shit
Yep that it did. I think it started going downhill almost the moment he made it. It soon just became a big publicity stunt and collection of misfits.

Yep that it did. I think it started going downhill almost the moment he made it. It soon just became a big publicity stunt and collection of misfits.


He actually LOST the CoS shortly after he made it when he and his wife got divorced.

For the record, this is my opinion as a Catholic and Christian Mystic. I got most of this information from Demons & Devils by Leonard Ashley.

The "original" form of Satanism as we know it mainly comes just before the Hebrew scriptures (which were based on earlier foundations). This form of semi-Satanism is called Manicheanism; I believe the name comes from the Persian work Mani, which was a quasi religion back then. "Mani believed The Devil to be the equal of God in power, and in fact to have preceded Him in existence as Chaos came before Creation, but Mani did not say The Devil was to be worshipped. Rather, The Devil and all his ministers were to be assiduously avoided." Some people, of course, disagreed with that last sentance.

To my frustation, I can't find the page which included my most favored form of Satanism. They were a small Russian cult which mostly worshiped God, but in fact worshiped both entities. They essentially said that the Devil was worth respecting and worshipping, because he was the only thing in all of existance capable of challenging God. It doesn't matter weather or not Satan wins or loses. He made it farther and opposed God longer and better than anyone else ever could have. After all, it sure as hell looks like he's winning... Sadly, that cult didn't last long after the Church caught wind of this point of view.

Myths & little-known truths about Satanism:
-IT IS NOT PAGANISM.
-It has existed for as long as, if not longer, than any other religion in one form or another.
-The Inquistion had very little to do with actual Satanic worshipers. It was the very first large-scale anti-feminist movement. Remember, we've got a whole lot of men in the Church, and most of 'em feared women more than any demon.
-Formally selling your soul to the Devil is really really tough (a whole new post for that one...)
-The Old Gods of polytheism didn't just become demons.
-Magic is possible to practice without involving demons.
-Martin Luther was not the spawn of Satan. I *think* the Church actually took that accusation back... But that was the big Catholic defense back then.
"Father, Martin Luther says that a formal political organization isn't necessary to meet God."
"Yeah... Well... SATAN TOLD HIM TO TELL YOU THAT!"
-Total number of demons: 133,306,668 (33% of the angelic Host)

Could someone please explain this religion? I've never really known what it is all about being Christian and all. I would look it up on the net, but frankly, I'm afraid of some of the websites I might stumble upon. Please keep it simple.

Suicidal Librarians, just out of pure curiosity, are you Catholic or Protestant?

Suicidal Librarians, just out of pure curiosity, are you Catholic or Protestant?

I am Protestant. Presbyterian to be exact.

Interesting, I was always told that Satanism actually had nothing to do with the Christian idea of "Satan," but that it had to do with seeing yourself as your own "god" in that you should just do whatever you want.

Shows what I know.

Hedonism with demons.

I am Protestant. Presbyterian to be exact.

Ok. NP. I had information on exorcisms for Catholics. I'm as yet unaware of Protestant methods.

Ok. NP. I had information on exorcisms for Catholics. I'm as yet unaware of Protestant methods.

Yeah, so am I. :)

Satanism is where a bunch of kids get together and be "different", because it's the cool thing to do.

In other words, it's even more bullshit then Christianity.

Satanism is an interesting concept, but I think it's a little too hate-oriented for my tastes.

So being "evil evil evil" ala Sir Simon Millican on Kids in the Hall is not what we're talking about, right?

So being "evil evil evil" ala Sir Simon Millican on Kids in the Hall is not what we're talking about, right?

Well, it can be...

Satanism is where a bunch of kids get together and be "different", because it's the cool thing to do.

In other words, it's even more bullshit then Christianity.

Hey, you don't see me insulting YOUR beliefs.

Hey, you don't see me insulting YOUR beliefs.

I think Satanism is bullshit.

Sue me.

Some of the original ideas of Satanism are pre-Christian...pagan.
The word lucifer comes from a very old word meaning star of the morning...related to two of the pseudonyms for Satan: the Lightbringer or the Morningstar. Some believe that they are references to the literal morning star, Venus. Which is, of course, a reference to the Mother Goddess. The Goddess has a hard time of it dealing with Christianity. The leaders of the apostolic church (the orthodox or Catholic church as it's known today) took over the pagan holidays and demonised the Goddess, turning references to the morning star into references to a devil, or an all-encompassing evil that could be blamed for the fallacies of humans.

So, according to some, those who worshiped the Goddess were the original "Satanists." It makes sense, logically. On an interesting, conspiracy theory-laden side note, the name Illuminati refers to enlightened ones...or those who bring the light. Yet another allusion to the Goddess.

Amazing how many places She can be found...even when you're not looking for Her.
My little Greek mythology book mentions Lucifer as the son of the morning star.

I think Satanism is bullshit.

Sue me.

He doesn't have a problem with your thoughts or beliefs. Maybe he just wanted a little bit of tact?

He doesn't have a problem with your thoughts or beliefs. Maybe he just wanted a little bit of tact?

I just can't sum up my opinion on this paticular subject anyway else. I can't find the right words "bullshit" expresses it very well.

I think Satanism is bullshit.

Sue me.

I was refering to the fact that you were calling Christianity b.s.

:mp5: I was refering to the fact that you were calling Christianity b.s.

Oh...well...

COOL!!

Arcadian Mists, that is not the 'original' form of Satanism. It is more of a dualist religion, like the Russian cult and the Cathars. One does not sell their soul to Lucifer either.

Satanism is where a bunch of kids get together and be "different", because it's the cool thing to do.

In other words, it's even more bullshit then Christianity.
Congratulations, you suck. Get out of the thread before I am forced to hurt you :) While it is sometimes true, that is a generalisation, not all Satanists are a bunch of teens who are different to try to be cool.

Satanism is an interesting concept, but I think it's a little too hate-oriented for my tastes.
Spiritual Satanism isn't hate orientated, neither is LaVeyan Satanism really. While neither shun hate, neither encourage it strongly for them to be hate orientated.

So being "evil evil evil" ala Sir Simon Millican on Kids in the Hall is not what we're talking about, right?
No that is not, read the thread then post.

My little Greek mythology book mentions Lucifer as the son of the morning star.
It was likely possible. Spiritual Satanism does look at God, Lucifer, Demons and Angels as extraterrestrials more than as omnipotent beings. So it would be possible for this to be interpreted as them being born of the stars.

I just can't sum up my opinion on this paticular subject anyway else. I can't find the right words "bullshit" expresses it very well.
"bullshit" expresses a lot of things very well.

Arcadian Mists, that is not the 'original' form of Satanism. It is more of a dualist religion, like the Russian cult and the Cathars. One does not sell their soul to Lucifer either.


Congratulations, you suck. Get out of the thread before I am forced to hurt you :) While it is sometimes true, that is a generalisation, not all Satanists are a bunch of teens who are different to try to be cool.


Spiritual Satanism isn't hate orientated, neither is LaVeyan Satanism really. While neither shun hate, neither encourage it strongly for them to be hate orientated.


No that is not, read the thread then post.


It was likely possible. Spiritual Satanism does look at God, Lucifer, Demons and Angels as extraterrestrials more than as omnipotent beings. So it would be possible for this to be interpreted as them being born of the stars.

Also known as bullshit.

Bullshit? Probably. But as far as religions go, it's probably one of the most rational and realistic (far more than any of the mainstream ones).

And for the record, pagan religions are not all satanists as the Church has protrayed.

wow, maybe back in, oh say, the 1300s this was true. However, if the CATHOLIC church says this now that is one thing. MY church, however, says no such thing. Don;t make such ignorantly inclusive remarks if you don't know what you are talking about.

Bullshit? Probably. But as far as religions go, it's probably one of the most rational and realistic (far more than any of the mainstream ones).

God is an extra-terrestrial? And you say this is rational and realistic? Now THAT is dumb.

I actually read the page and their methodology, ideas, rules and statements. In fact, it seems rather like some basic Christian ideas, but wherever it would be easier to do something, they choose the easy path. For example, do unto other as you would have them do unto you is the Golden Rule of Christianity, and relates strongly to our second Commandment. However, when they are bothered, they are not to show tolerance after a point. You are, as prior mentioned, to destroy that person.

They live for simple sin. Taking off the restrictions that God placed on our lives and making Christians look like a buch of half witted fools. Granted, I too get incredibly tired of evangalists that go on and on and on about Hellfire and Brimstone to get their point across. But I just stopped listening to them. Later, I picked up a Bible. A lot of common thoughts about us and our beliefs go right down the drain after you read it a couple times.

But, I reccomend reading it for Christians firm in their faith. It's an interesting insight, and it shows you how very easy it is to follow Satan, if you just give in a little...

-R. S. of UC

Bullshit? Probably. But as far as religions go, it's probably one of the most rational and realistic (far more than any of the mainstream ones).

Meh, I consider most religions bullshit anyway. Some have their high points, but overall, I think I'll stick to a personal philosophy than a static set of rules governed by others.

[QUOTE=Arenestho]Arcadian Mists, that is not the 'original' form of Satanism. It is more of a dualist religion, like the Russian cult and the Cathars. One does not sell their soul to Lucifer either.QUOTE]

You're correct. That was poor wording on my part. The thing I described is an early form of Satanism. Is that a bit better?

As for the soul-selling, that was a reference to modern Satanists. And many people attempt it, whether or not you can literally accomplish it.

wow, maybe back in, oh say, the 1300s this was true. However, if the CATHOLIC church says this now that is one thing. MY church, however, says no such thing. Don;t make such ignorantly inclusive remarks if you don't know what you are talking about.
Pagans and Satanists were never the same thing, both are different and always have been. Anything to the contrary is lies spread by the Church.

God is an extra-terrestrial? And you say this is rational and realistic? Now THAT is dumb.
What is more rational and realistic? God being an incredibly advanced extraterrestrial or an omnipotent being that created everything from nothing?

R. S. of UC, yep you got it right. Though note that while it is easy to follow the teachings, some of the more advanced parts of Spiritual Satanism can be difficult.

Arcadian Mist, okay yah that's better. As far as I know, Modern Satanists don't sell their soul to Lucifer. It is possible that dapplers do to make themselves look cooler though.