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Germans Wary of U.S. Troop Withdrawal

RaidersNation
17-08-2004, 07:54
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=2&u=/ap/germany_us_bases

Germans Wary of U.S. Troop Withdrawal

By TONY CZUCZKA, Associated Press Writer

BERLIN - German officials voiced concern Monday that their country has the most to lose with President Bush's announcement that tens of thousands of troops will return to the United States over the next decade.


With some 70,000 U.S. soldiers based in Germany, thousands of local jobs — from bakers to maintenance workers and office personnel — depend on the Americans, who first came as occupying forces after World War II.


European and Asian countries with U.S. troops have braced for the changes for several years, but Bush's announcement Monday that up to 70,000 uniformed personnel and 100,000 dependents will gradually be moved back to the United States brought home the full impact.


"Base closures would hit us very hard," said city spokesman Ole Kruse in the Bavarian city of Wuerzburg, home of the U.S. Army's 1st Infantry Division.


That unit and the 1st Armored Division, based in Wiesbaden near Frankfurt, will return to the United States as part of the global restructuring, Pentagon officials said Monday.


They will be replaced by a brigade, a much smaller unit equipped with Stryker light armored vehicles, though they probably won't start leaving until 2006 at the earliest, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.


U.S. troops were based in large numbers in Germany during the Cold War to deter a then-feared Soviet invasion, and most of the 100,000 U.S. troops based in Europe are still in Germany.


The United States will close nearly half of its hundreds of installations in Europe as part of the massive restructuring plan, defense officials said. It also has plans to reduce troop numbers in South Korea, where they have held static positions for 50 years.


"The world has changed a great deal and our posture must change with it," Bush told a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Cincinnati. The United States needs "a more agile and more flexible force" to help fight "wars of the 21st century," he said.


But for places like Baumholder, a town in rural western Germany with a U.S. military training area, that spells problems.


Some 11,500 residents are matched by a U.S. military community of the same size, and the local economy would lose $150 million a year if the Americans left, Mayor Volkmar Pees told The Associated Press.


"The Americans are part of us," Baumholder resident Iris Schoen said. "You build up great friendships."


In host countries such as Germany and Japan, local governments have paid much of the cost of stationing U.S. troops.


German officials have traveled to Washington in recent months to lobby against troop withdrawals and propose alternatives.


For instance, Rhineland-Palatinate state officials say they have suggested that lighter units replace the heavy armor now stationed at Baumholder. Mayor Pees called on the German military to move into facilities vacated by the Americans.


In Bamberg, officials said the local utility company could lose a major customer and that real estate prices would decline if the U.S. military leaves.


"We view this with great concern," city spokesman Steffen Schuetzewohl said.


In addition, a wing of F-16 fighters based at Spangdahlem near the Belgian border could be moved to the Incirlik base in Turkey, closer to the Middle East.

"The Americans' announced troop withdrawal is understandable," said Alexander Bonde, a lawmaker from Germany's Greens party, which is part of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's government.

"Since most of the European-based American troops are in Germany, it's clear that the bulk of the withdrawal has to happen in Germany," he said.

Officials have indicated Ramstein Air Base and the Landstuhl military hospital in southwestern Germany, as well as the Grafenwoehr training grounds in Bavaria, are not on the table.

For U.S. military personnel and their families, the immediate impact will likely be limited. Many soldiers are expected to return home when their tour of duty would have been up anyway.
The Force Majeure
17-08-2004, 07:57
Their salaries are made up of the taxpayers' money...they damn well better be spending it in the US...
UpwardThrust
17-08-2004, 08:00
They will live … there has always been a clamor about us reducing some of our world wide presence … I think it is high time we started to listen

Increased technology still means a good hit at greater range and faster deployment … we can keep a few strategic well armed basses and blow off the rest

This is what the world wanted

Letem have it
Deranged Chinchillas
17-08-2004, 08:00
Well I feel bad for the damage to the German economy but why would the US station American troops in places where they aren't needed anymore. I don't understand why troops will be pulled out of South Korea. I know that there are negotiations going on with North Korea but it's still a potential "hot spot." With a need for troops in other parts of the world, I see no reason to keep them stationed in places where they aren't needed.
RaidersNation
17-08-2004, 08:03
Well I feel bad for the damage to the German economy but why would the US station American troops in places where they aren't needed anymore. I don't understand why troops will be pulled out of South Korea. I know that there are negotiations going on with North Korea but it's still a potential "hot spot." With a need for troops in other parts of the world, I see no reason to keep them stationed in places where they aren't needed.


The South Korean's protested against our troops and demanded we leave, so we are.

As for Germany, screw them. They think they are so f***ing great, let them figure it out! Why should our troops prop them up?
Deranged Chinchillas
17-08-2004, 08:10
Well I didn't know about the South Koreans but I suppose if they don't want out help if there's a problem, that's fine with me. As for your stance on Germany, this is how threads degenerate into flame wars. Not a good idea. It's partially our fault that those villages are dependent on US troops. We weren't needed this long so we made them need us. However, it wasn't too smart on their part to become dependent of us.
Dalekia
17-08-2004, 08:15
The German economy isn't dependent on those troops anyway. Of course it can mean trouble for the areas around the bases, but so what? It's the same thing as closing a factory. Wait... I can see the headlines: "Germans wary of factory closure".

Elvis was stationed in Germany though. Doesn't that count for anything?
Dalekia
17-08-2004, 08:19
However, it wasn't too smart on their part to become dependent of us.
Of course it was smart. Why else would they do it? Let's say you are a son of a West German farmer and a US military base opens up near you. You've been contemplating moving to Bonn to study in the university. Then you decide to start selling burgers to the Americans cause it pays more and you're no good in maths so you'd make a crappy engineer.
Deranged Chinchillas
17-08-2004, 08:23
It wasn't smart for exactly that reason. They didn't look ahead. They either thought that the Cold War would last for a whole lot longer or that the US base would be there forever. I suppose it's the fault of the one originally selling hamburgers because if it's a family business...oh, nevermind. It already happened and it's gonna suck for the area but it's not our fault that the area will be hurt. We just have a new strategy.
Lotringen
17-08-2004, 10:47
i see it as a sign how treacherous and boot licking our damned goverment is. finally the occupation forces leave, and they complain, its disgusting!
and it doesnt matter if some small towns economy crashes. in the past years there have more than one factory closed and more than one small town economy crashed.
everyone ive spoken with so far is glad that the americans finally leave (and think there are far too many left!) its just the damn goverment that has the exact opposite of the public opinion, and thats so typical for this bunch of idiots.