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So what should the world do? North Korea is rules by an iron-fisted Stalinist dictator who watches too many movies. The government allows most of its people to starve, refusing international aid and NGOs. Concentration camps are used to crush dissent. Whole families are gassed together.

In foreign policy, the country develops nuclear weapons. It wants to use them. In mid-March 2003 NK shot a dud missile at Alaska to see how far it could go. How irresponsible! The country operates spies in China. These spies are also assassins and they have killed several administrators of Chinese provinces bordering NK.

What should we do? Should we do anything? You choose!

If the USA etc nukes em, they'll probably nuke everyone they can. I dunno what the range of their missiles are, but i think they can reach Japan etc, but if China, their fellow communists, force them to do something, they're slightly less likely to go mental and invade/nuke everyone they can with their massive army :gundge: :sniper: :mp5:

Japan can't do anything. The US forbid them from creating an army.

Kill the bastards!!! :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :mp5: :mp5:

Why does the US and its ctizens feel they have to intefere at all? Why is your country so arrogant that it thinks it has the right to lay down the law to every other world state?

Japan can't do anything. The US forbid them from creating an army.

Does it? Thought the Japanese sent some troops to Iraq (Only about 20 or something like that, in support roles, not patrolling etc)
Anyway, the Japanese have/had(before Iraq i think) a policy of not sending troops to anywhere that doesn't directly involve Japanese interests, so unless N.Korea did something first they'd probably do bugger all.

Why does the US and its ctizens feel they have to intefere at all? Why is your country so arrogant that it thinks it has the right to lay down the law to every other world state?

I'm not from the US, i'm from the gretest nation on earth, the UK! Don't jump to conclusions :gundge:

Does it? Thought the Japanese sent some troops to Iraq (Only about 20 or something like that, in support roles, not patrolling etc)
Anyway, the Japanese have/had(before Iraq i think) a policy of not sending troops to anywhere that doesn't directly involve Japanese interests, so unless N.Korea did something first they'd probably do bugger all.
Plus there is (or was) a major debate in Japan as to whether they should change their constitution to allow for a real (offensive) army.

Why does the US and its ctizens feel they have to intefere at all? Why is your country so arrogant that it thinks it has the right to lay down the law to every other world state?
I'm not saying that. I'm not American, and I haven't even given my opinion yet. I even made an option on the poll for your opinion. Vote for it.

You invade North Korea - and you are as dead as shit. Simple as.

leave them be unless they threaten us and then do what we need to do diplomatically first and if necessary, militarily next.

Personally (if it came down to military action) I would distribute propaghanda in other countries that mobilized huge public outcry againt N. Korea as if they are the bringers of the apocolypse and let other countries military forces deal with them.

Japan can't do anything. The US forbid them from creating an army.


The terms of their surrender in 1945 does indeed forbid Japan from having an army. It did not stop them from creating a 'defense force' though, which is of course exactly the same as an army!

If the USA etc nukes em, they'll probably nuke everyone they can. I dunno what the range of their missiles are, but i think they can reach Japan etc, but if China, their fellow communists, force them to do something, they're slightly less likely to go mental and invade/nuke everyone they can with their massive army :gundge: :sniper: :mp5:
north korea i think has intercontinental missiles, they will at least take out japan, korea and maybe a couple cities in alaska or hawaii

north korea i think has intercontinental missiles, they will at least take out japan, korea and maybe a couple cities in alaska or hawaii
True, America is dead meat if they even try to invade N. Korea. Thier Army isn't some rag and tag forced into conscripting Iraqi force. It's pretty good and it could turn into the next Vietnam pretty quick.

leave them the fuck alone. let the damn koreans have their de-militarized zone filled with mines and whatnot.

leave them the fuck alone. let the damn koreans have their de-militarized zone filled with mines and whatnot.

Try to cut back on the profanity, please. Thanks.

Try to cut back on the profanity, please. Thanks.

Well, since the profanity filter has been removed and I have just started posting again I want to enjoy it!

north korea i think has intercontinental missiles, they will at least take out japan, korea and maybe a couple cities in alaska or hawaii

In theory, they do, but that's the exact problem. No one really knows what they've got, how accurate it is, how far it can go and how reliable they are.

Well, since the profanity filter has been removed and I have just started posting again I want to enjoy it!

Okay. Just as long as you don't go overboard, like F*** this bleepity-bleeping f***ed-up, f***ing s***!

Why does the US and its ctizens feel they have to intefere at all? Why is your country so arrogant that it thinks it has the right to lay down the law to every other world state?

Americans want to interfere because North Korea has sold weapons to terrorist friendly countries who might pass one along to a terrorist group to detonate it inside a U.S. city. We wouldn't put it pass Kim Jong-Il as long as he can maintain plausible deniability. If we want North Korea to fall then all we have to to is form an international emgarbo and blockade (despite the U.S. not being popular now, that wouldn't be too hard to do) and North Korea will collapse in two years. Then the South Koreans will be pissed at us.

I say invasion.

Diplomatize em till their asses chafe from sitting down so much.

That'll teach em to mess with our diplomats that're ready to sit down and do shit for 3 years.

Americans want to interfere because North Korea has sold weapons to terrorist friendly countries who might pass one along to a terrorist group to detonate it inside a U.S. city. We wouldn't put it pass Kim Jong-Il as long as he can maintain plausible deniability. If we want North Korea to fall then all we have to to is form an international emgarbo and blockade (despite the U.S. not being popular now, that wouldn't be too hard to do) and North Korea will collapse in two years. Then the South Koreans will be pissed at us.

Why would the South Koreans be pissed? Thought there was a mutual hatred between N/S Korea, or at least their governments :confused:

I say we bomb all their military bases, factories, power plants, any and every place their nukes are located, and Kim Jong-il's humble abode. Leave the civilians alone, however.

Diplomatize em till their asses chafe from sitting down so much.
:lol:

Hilarious stuff, Colodia!

I say we bomb all their military bases, factories, power plants, any and every place their nukes are located, and Kim Jong-il's humble abode. Leave the civilians alone, however.
That was the way Iraq was supposed to be. :rolleyes:

Though I am surprised to hear this from Roachy the Isolationist.

What we should do is start a covert war in N. Korea. WE send in operatives, arm everyone who doesnt like the government, propagandize the rest, and then overthrow the communists. If that doesnt work, INVADE! The United states would whoop N Koreas Arse. And we wouldnt be alone, everyone hates N Korea, even the Frenchies! Sure, we would loose a few thousand men in actual fighting, but North Korea isnt a radical Muslim country. Islamic terrorists wouldnt do much good there.


BTW, the U.S. has the right to mess with North Korea, because WE CAN! As the worlds ONLY super power, we are really the guardians of the earth. If you dont like that, join whatever country you are froms army, become a general, take over your government, and then conquer your neighbors, and buy lots and lots of nukes. Then you can do whatever the hell you want. (of course, It took the U.S. 200 years, and the british...well alot for the British.)

hmmm, i think USA should think about What it will do in the next 10 years in iraq instead of thinking about NK...

the shame is that even our soldiers die for ur war there.

Cheers

That was the way Iraq was supposed to be. :rolleyes:

Though I am surprised to hear this from Roachy the Isolationist.
isolationist till it comes to killin commies

BTW, the U.S. has the right to mess with North Korea, because WE CAN! As the worlds ONLY super power, we are really the guardians of the earth. If you dont like that, join whatever country you are froms army, become a general, take over your government, and then conquer your neighbors, and buy lots and lots of nukes. Then you can do whatever the hell you want. (of course, It took the U.S. 200 years, and the british...well alot for the British.)

lol, i hope that was hyronic.
hmmm maybe not, someone must have voted Bush after all, he couldn't cheat ALL the elections...

cheers

I forgot to mention....

The only country that would support N Korea Would be Cuba,which actually would be a much better target than N Korea. Its alot weaker, and only the old people liek communism. The younger, and therefor stronger, people are straffing under it. All Communist countries must be destroyed, EXCEPT for China. They're nice commies(to a degree)

What we should do is start a covert war in N. Korea. WE send in operatives, arm everyone who doesnt like the government, propagandize the rest, and then overthrow the communists. If that doesnt work, INVADE! The United states would whoop N Koreas Arse. And we wouldnt be alone, everyone hates N Korea, even the Frenchies! Sure, we would loose a few thousand men in actual fighting, but North Korea isnt a radical Muslim country. Islamic terrorists wouldnt do much good there.


BTW, the U.S. has the right to mess with North Korea, because WE CAN! As the worlds ONLY super power, we are really the guardians of the earth. If you dont like that, join whatever country you are froms army, become a general, take over your government, and then conquer your neighbors, and buy lots and lots of nukes. Then you can do whatever the hell you want. (of course, It took the U.S. 200 years, and the british...well alot for the British.)

lol you'd probably lose more than a few thousand, what with the nukes etc, and the fairly well-equipped(I'm guessing, as they spend massive amounts of money on it)army of around one million, and if you won, you'd have to spend a few years(at least) fighting off communist guerillas, like in loads of places around the world where they've been fighting for ages eg Columbia, Indonesia, some other places in Asia...I forget. Anyway, it'd take bloody ages if someone just invaded. :mp5:

That was the way Iraq was supposed to be. :rolleyes:

Though I am surprised to hear this from Roachy the Isolationist.

Please don't call names.

This is different from Iraq. Iraq posed no threat to us. N. Korea does.

Oddly enough. China is not really very Communist either.

Invade them before it's too late. Kim Jong-Il is really insane. He starves his people, denies them the economic oppritunities around his country, and now wants to build nukes. This guy must be dealt with.
I think an invasion would have minimal casualties. Most of their equipment dates from WWII, and their million man army is undertrained and starving. The problem is their artillery and missiles, but as the North Koreans have no air force, they can be taken out quickly by planes. It should take a week, then the peninsula is reunited.

What we should do is start a covert war in N. Korea. WE send in operatives, arm everyone who doesnt like the government, propagandize the rest, and then overthrow the communists. If that doesnt work, INVADE! The United states would whoop N Koreas Arse. And we wouldnt be alone, everyone hates N Korea, even the Frenchies!
Good idea, except that everyone who doesn't like the government is probably either in a concentration camp or a mass grave. I don't think it is possible to "covertly" propagandise an entire population. Besides, they have been fed gov't propaganda that tells them that everything is America's fault for the last 50 years.

I think an invasion would cause Kim-Jong Il to unleash the nukes.

Surely Colodia's plan to chaffe the national ass of NK is the best!

They're nice commies(to a degree)

Not really. The Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, Tiananmen Square, their continued persecution of Christians, their support of terrorist nations, and their cuddly relationships with some of the most despotic regimes on the planet verify this.

just thinking about that...

the guys that voted Pay/force the chinese wanted actually to Pay em or Force em?

I forgot to mention....

The only country that would support N Korea Would be Cuba,which actually would be a much better target than N Korea. Its alot weaker, and only the old people liek communism. The younger, and therefor stronger, people are straffing under it. All Communist countries must be destroyed, EXCEPT for China. They're nice commies(to a degree)
I don't know what Castro's position on NK is, but I don't think an invasion of Cuba would be wise. Cuba is also not a threat to America. In terms of human rights, North Korea (and China, for that matter) make Castro look like Mother Teresa.

China are sure not nice commies. In fact they're not commies at all anymore. China is a corporate police state. They execute around 20,000 people a year. People are tortured and persecuted there every day of the week.

I forgot to mention....

The only country that would support N Korea Would be Cuba.

lol, cuba would support who?

just thinking about that...

the guys that voted Pay/force the chinese wanted actually to Pay em or Force em?
lol could just poke em with a pointy stick until they get annoyed enough to do something that'll stop you doing it, or, possibly slightly more effective, threaten a US/European boycott on Chinese goods until they do something. They'll shit themselves and act almost instantly, and the west won't have to deal with the consequences of a massive reduction of cheap goods from China.

Another idea! We could just promise Taiwan to the Chinese! Easy :)

and now wants to build nukes.
Doesn't he already have them?

Doesn't he already have them?
One or two, I believe. The beauty, however, is that we know where all the launch sites are.

Why would the South Koreans be pissed? Thought there was a mutual hatred between N/S Korea, or at least their governments :confused:

The collapse of North Korea means the economic recession for South Korea. North Korea is the avowed enemy of South Korea, yet South Korea is the avowed appeaser of North Korea. South Korea wants to "normalize" relations with the DPRK. In exchange, South Korea has ignored and silenced refugees who've escaped from the DPRK and even turned some back.

The relationship between North and South Korea is like the relationship between Chirac and Hussein. Because Americans views North Korea as psychaotic there has been a rising tide of anti-americanism (or at least hostility towards America) in South Korea. If you ask me, those 55,000 American lives weren't worth the Korean War. Ungrateful bastards would rather appease and make excuses for their enemies than confront them.

lol could just poke em with a pointy stick until they get annoyed enough to do something that'll stop you doing it, or, possibly slightly more effective, threaten a US/European boycott on Chinese goods until they do something. They'll shit themselves and act almost instantly, and the west won't have to deal with the consequences of a massive reduction of cheap goods from China.

Another idea! We could just promise Taiwan to the Chinese! Easy :)


lol easy :/

Mandate UN Weapons Inspectors to come and disarm and destroy their nukes, or face total isolation and let their situation become even more squalid.

Invasion is definitely off my list of dealing w/NK - invading any nation with nuclear weapons in order to disarm said nukes is *very* risky business

well there is no long term solution to this problem

are only real solutions is to have a revolution in their governemt by various organizations (we could do that by making the north korean people pissed off about their governemt even more so by using varios propaganda agaist their government and possibly capitalze when a major event occures

let thier own governemnt implode under them (similar to the russian revolution) because yes we will kick their asses if we invade them, and we will win cause unlike the vietmanes who are xeno-phobics. the korean people dont mind some western help and will not do wheatever it takes to win, but there will be no long term consequnces. finatually (we will be rebuliding 3 countrys) will be very tough also many of their nukular materials will be on the black market and most likly sold to the muslim jihadists. So any immediate invasion will lead to long term problems.

Cuba is no threat the cuban missle crisis is long over although we should monotor them like four -year old child. we should invaded them, soon as when castro dies.

(look at guantonimo bay) if u notice dispite that casrto is a stubbon old man he doesnt really want to be communest (trying but failing to be frendly with the US) he just want to be permanent leader, but to be come capitlist he will prolly have to give up he throne in cuba

Mandate UN Weapons Inspectors to come and disarm and destroy their nukes, or face total isolation and let their situation become even more squalid.

Invasion is definitely off my list of dealing w/NK - invading any nation with nuclear weapons in order to disarm said nukes is *very* risky business
If we isolate the North Koreans completely, however, it's more likely that Kim Jong-Il will decide to use nukes, possibly to defeat troops so that he can conquer the Korean peninsula. Should that happen, he'd be harder to defeat, and the world economy would take a serious hit.

Why does the US and its ctizens feel they have to intefere at all? Why is your country so arrogant that it thinks it has the right to lay down the law to every other world state?

Probably because your country stopped doing it around fifty years ago.

Also, I say let china handle it.

i think all that kim jongil wants is a bit of international fear and respect. so diplomacy is fine.

he has 1 or 2 nukes and untested delivery systems.

i live in new mexico, bout 20 miles from the north end of whitesands missle rainge where the US tests all its new missles. we know how often new technology fails. he can lob a bomb at anyone he wants but chances are that it would come right back down on him. im not too worried.

it IS our job to keep nukes out of the hands of nutz. and kim IS a nut. i just dont think he's gonna be ready to act until he is old and doesnt care if he lives through it or not

First of all the north Korean government has accepted aid from many international organisations throughout the world particularly during the terrible famine they suffered and there have been delegations sent from Irish aid agencies who were shown exactly what the money was being used for and given unrestricted access to the whole country. The north Koreans have for many years been under a severe economic blockade just like Cuba has, an economic blockade led by the united states. As for nuclear weapons the north Koreans want nuclear power to fuel the country and were promised by the united states that they would be given this in 2003 when this did not happen and the united states went back on there promise the north Koreans rightly decided to do it themselves. North Korea is a u.n member has fraternal relations with Cuba and China and is re-building friendly relations with the south Koreans. The united states or any other country has no right to attack it or enforce an economic blockage on it or any other country. If you want to look at genocidal governments then take a look at Israel and it's treatment of the people of Palestine and there total disregard for the u.n but they are able to get away with this behaviour because they are backed up by the policeman of the world the united states. lets be honest the only reason north Korea is under attack is because it stands against everything the united states stands for and will not conform to they're rules and laws just as Cuba will not. Go read a book before you start to talk about things you don't understand.

First of all the north Korean government has accepted aid from many international organisations throughout the world particularly during the terrible famine they suffered and there have been delegations sent from Irish aid agencies who were shown exactly what the money was being used for and given unrestricted access to the whole country. The north Koreans have for many years been under a severe economic blockade just like Cuba has, an economic blockade led by the united states. As for nuclear weapons the north Koreans want nuclear power to fuel the country and were promised by the united states that they would be given this in 2003 when this did not happen and the united states went back on there promise the north Koreans rightly decided to do it themselves.Go read a book before you start to talk about things you don't understand.

u r telling em too many truths at once, i don't think they can stand em all at the same time.

and u told em that the US aren't the paladins of the world they think they are.

Meanie. (lol)

u r telling em too many truths at once, i don't think they can stand em all at the same time.

and u told em that the US aren't the paladins of the world they think they are.

Meanie. (lol)


Well it's about time they learned! lol