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Do secret socities have a place in a supposedly free and open nation?

Long Live The Masonic Prawns!

I'm not saying I support other Hitler policies. But I just cannot stand the idea of secret lodges of ring-knockers ruling the world whilst drinking from their skull shaped mugs. The smug attitudes and their jolly laughs about the useful-idiots who have no idea what is really going on in the world. Masons make me sick!

While I don’t think it should be an “Exclusive Club” I don’t honestly think we have a right to infringe on someone’s right to be in a group such as that. So am torn between wanting freedom … and wanting freedom from them

Hell at some point you could say being a member of the “Catholic” religion was being a member of an exclusive club … essentially all in power were members.

I'm a senchal of the Priory of Sion, and many times I have been on center stage at our Hieros Gamos rituals (hehe if you know what Hieros Gamos is then ^^)

(oh **** i wasnt supposed to tell you guys this - now i'm going to be hunted down by an evil monk named Silas)

Do secret socities have a place in a supposedly free and open nation?

A free and open society suggests the allowance for "secret" socities.

If people want to play at ruling the world and want to sneak off to their little 'secret' extremist cult, I say let them.

Secret societies should be either outlawed, made much more open, or at least be heavily investigated. The very fact that they're secret suggests they have something to hide. Here are some of the following groups and/or secret socities that are among the most dangerous: Skull and Bones (which both Bush and Kerry are members of); the Council on Foreign Relations; the Institute for Policy Studies; the Trilateral Commission; the Bilderbergers; the Ku Klux Klan; the Project for a New American Century; and others.

Oh come on. Secret societies aren't all that secret from what I can tell. Unless you have something against the concept of secrecy and think everything should be known to everyone, theres no good reason not to let them have their secret handshakes and tree houses.

If they do anything that would cause harm to other people (Ku Klux Klan), they should be rounded up and shot. If they're just a bunch of people sitting around doing things that only concern them, leave them alone.

I'm not sure you can call groups that have a webpage "secret" societies (PNAC, CFR, IPS, etc.).

Freedom of association is an important right, at least to me. If other members of a "free and open society" wish to freely associate wether in private, or in public, who am I to stop them?

I'm not sure you can call groups that have a webpage "secret" societies (PNAC, CFR, IPS, etc.).

Their webpages are extremely misleading and filled with deceptive and false information. The meetings of these groups are extremely secretive, and those who divulge these secrets to others generally find themselves expulsed from these groups (CFR, IPS, TC) or even killed (KKK).

In a free and open nation secret societies are the prerogative of the people.

If people within a secret society break other rules of the nation (such as planning violence agaisnt innocent civilians or the state, deliberately inciting violence against innocent civilians and the state,) then individuals should be punished as is fitting.

The Masons and Skull and Bones lot are just old boys' clubs with silly rituals and the network of backscratching would exist regardless of whether the societies did. They're scapegoated by dictatorships and conspiracy nuts alike but in the end they can't force you to vote for anyone.

For secret societies their practices sure are well known. The Freemasons had their rituals co-opted by the Mormons for a while.

I think that if the society is doing good work which the Masons do for charity and their local surroundings, then that society should be left to carry on. But the only way we would know if that were the case, would be for them to be regulated in some way but then the society would not be so secretive.
How do we find out about these secret societies anyway, unless someone shouts their mouth off the secrecy remains and we are none the wiser.
How many secret societies are their, if they are Public knowledge they are not secret.

Let's see .... I happen to BE a Mason ....

At most of our get togethers, we drink beer and play cards. At our last meeting, we raised $2500.00 and 1300 pounds of relief items (food, blankets, etc) that were sent to help in Florida.

Gosh ... how .... subversive ... we're so evil ...

The best way to get Masons off your back is an anarchist revolution.

I never understood secret societies, really. How are the Freemasons a secret society if everyone knows about them?

The best way to get Masons off your back is an anarchist revolution.

I never understood secret societies, really. How are the Freemasons a secret society if everyone knows about them?



We all know they are there, but we have no idea what it is they are really talking about in their secret lodges.

We all know they are there, but we have no idea what it is they are really talking about in their secret lodges.

My point exactly.

My point exactly.


And why would that be an issue?

How do you exactly measure privacy issues? If the masons have to tell everybody what they talk about then why don't you and I have to report what we talk about in our homes, schools, workplaces?

Many people that have done great things for this nation(and others) have been masons.

If you admire somebody, there is a chance they were one.....

Leave these guys alone. They just want to discuss things without being nagged on by the media. And since they're an NGO, they don't have to disclose a thing.

And why would that be an issue?

If they were harmless, it wouldn't be.

If they were harmless, it wouldn't be.
And how do you know that they aren't harmless?

the Priory of Sion's ritual of Hieros Gamos is fun, if you know what I mean ^^

And how do you know that they aren't harmless?

Read, for example, The Shadows of Power by James Perloff, The Invisible Government by Dan Smoot, and some of Antony Sutton's excellent and meticulously researched books.

Leave these guys alone. They just want to discuss things without being nagged on by the media. And since they're an NGO, they don't have to disclose a thing.


Masons are a plague, they are not harmless. We know they are a parasite and a plague on supposedly free nations, for when they grow strong and get into positions of power... They set their agenda for the New World Order one world gov't as the highest priority, and agitate for it.

Masons are a plague, they are not harmless. We know they are a parasite and a plague on supposedly free nations, for when they grow strong and get into positions of power... They set their agenda for the New World Order one world gov't as the highest priority, and agitate for it.

Exactly.

They set their agenda for the New World Order one world gov't as the highest priority, and agitate for it.

You mean the Illuminati, who used the Masons as their front

I'm a senchal of the Priory of Sion, and many times I have been on center stage at our Hieros Gamos rituals (hehe if you know what Hieros Gamos is then ^^)

(oh **** i wasnt supposed to tell you guys this - now i'm going to be hunted down by an evil monk named Silas)


Dude...you've been reading WAY too much Dan Brown...but if you haven't read it, I highly suggest Angels and Demons...I thought it was much better

You mean the Illuminati, who used the Masons as their front


Ok...I appoligize for not recognizing that you had read the book Angels and Demons. But, the book is fiction, and you are basing a lot of your theories on Dan Brown's work. I'm not questioning your research, but it seems like you just read Angels and Demons and other Dan Brown works.