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Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez celebrated a massive electoral triumph

Revolutionsz
16-08-2004, 17:18
CARACAS (AFP) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez celebrated a massive electoral triumph but the opposition rejected the results and insisted it won the referendum on the leftist leader's mandate.

Chavez's contested victory eased prices on oil markets Monday. In his victory speech, he vowed oil-rich Venezuela would guarantee stability on world markets.

In Caracas, a large crowd roared its approval as the controversial leader waved from the presidential balcony shortly after electoral authorities announced he garnered 58 percent of the vote to the opposition's 42 percent.
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It was also a test of voters' patience, with many waiting in line for more than 10 hours before they could cast their ballot.

Some of the 14 million registered voters, eager to cast their ballots early, showed up long before dawn Sunday, when buglers and fireworks echoed across Caracas to rally voters.
Ecopoeia
16-08-2004, 17:22
Um, fairly obvious pro-Chavez bias in the article but, yes, he deservedly won the recall ballot. This is the eighth time in five years that he's won an election or referendum. Has the point been made yet, d'ya think?
Seosavists
16-08-2004, 17:22
yay heres another news thing that says the same thing lol http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0816/venezuela.html
Ecopoeia
16-08-2004, 17:24
Chavez claims referendum victory

President Hugo Chavez has claimed a "victory for the Venezuelan people" after the release of results indicating he won a referendum on his rule.
Officials from the National Electoral Council said that, with 94% of ballots counted, Mr Chavez had 58% of the vote.

Opponents rejected the partial results as a fraud, insisting they had won.

But it now seems clear the opposition desire to force him from office failed as previous attempts did, the BBC's James Menendez in Caracas says.

There was a large turnout for the vote, in which Venezuelans were asked whether Mr Chavez should serve out the remaining two-and-a-half years of his term.

Had he lost, fresh presidential elections would have been called in 30 days.

'Unassailable lead'

The high turnout in Sunday's referendum meant some people queued all day and authorities were twice forced to extend voting hours.

In the early hours of Monday morning members of the electoral council, the CNE, announced that preliminary results put Mr Chavez a clear 16 points ahead of his opponents.

CNE president Francisco Carrasquero said the results meant Mr Chavez should remain in office until January 2007.

Though Mr Chavez has not yet been declared the outright victor, his lead is virtually unassailable.

The opposition had not only to secure an absolute majority but also more votes than the 3.76 million Mr Chavez received in the 2000 elections.

Fireworks exploded across the capital Caracas before dawn.

There were wild scenes outside Miraflores presidential palace, where Mr Chavez serenaded thousands of cheering supporters from a balcony.

"It is absolutely impossible that the victory of the 'no' be reversed," Mr Chavez said.

"This has been a great victory for the Venezuelan people."

Mr Chavez also promised stability on Venezuela's oil market - an important assurance for international watchers, given Venezuela's position as one of the world's biggest oil exporters, say correspondents.

The results came as a shock to the opposition, which only hours before had appeared beaming before reporters, after their own private exit polls put them ahead.

"One cannot consider as official the partial results which part of the CNE leadership wants to announce," said Sobella Mejia, one of the electoral council's five members.

A spokesman for the Democratic Co-ordinator opposition coalition, Henry Ramos Allup, said fraud and "gross manipulation" had taken place.

"We categorically reject the results," he said.

Our correspondent says commentators are waiting to hear the verdict of international observers, including former US President Jimmy Carter and the Organization of American States.

They monitored the referendum and so far have appeared satisfied.

Repeated challenges

Venezuela was polarised by the surprise victory of Mr Chavez - Venezuela's first president from an indigenous heritage - in presidential elections in 1998.

His opponents, who are mostly white, middle-class and control most of the media and business, say he is authoritarian and has managed a rich economy badly.

Despite the country's oil wealth, 80% of Venezuelans are poor but Mr Chavez has won the hearts of many with extensive school and health programmes, analysts say.

The opposition has fought a tireless campaign to see him ousted. Mr Chavez survived a short-lived coup in April 2002 and a two-month strike that badly damaged the economy later that year.

The referendum was activated after the opposition collected signatures from 20% of the population - a recall mechanism inserted into the Venezuelan constitution by Mr Chavez in 1999.

If his victory is confirmed, it will be the eighth time Mr Chavez has won public approval of his rule and his policies, after two presidential elections and six referendums.

Observers say this referendum is unlikely to put an end to the conflict. They warn that in fevered Venezuela violence is never far away.

PRELIMINARY RESULTS
For President Chavez: 58.25% (4,991,483 votes)
Against President Chavez: 41.74% (3,576,517 votes)
Drabikstan
16-08-2004, 17:25
This is good news for Venezuela. Only Venezuela's rich elite and their greedy corporate friends would disagree.
Sumamba Buwhan
16-08-2004, 17:26
http://www.mommyportal.com/images/party_hat.jpg

Good news for the world on oil and good news for the Venezuelian lower class.


Hoorah! :D :fluffle: ;)
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 17:31
This is good news for Venezuela. Only Venezuela's rich elite and their greedy corporate friends would disagree.
I know, everyone wants autocracy and further economic decline. Real incomes are at the same level they were 50 years ago.
Siljhouettes
16-08-2004, 17:32
Why does everyone in America hate Chavez? He seems OK. At least he lets everyone vote.
Seosavists
16-08-2004, 17:33
Found name of coup programm CHAVEZ: INSIDE THE COUP
http://www.deckert-distribution.com...deckert_176.htm
Sumamba Buwhan
16-08-2004, 17:33
The referendum was activated after the opposition collected signatures from 20% of the population - a recall mechanism inserted into the Venezuelan constitution by Mr Chavez in 1999.

Chavez is such a brutal dictator that he put in place a referendum that allows the people to oust him if he is doing a shitty job. I think the US should create something similar. Bush would have been ousted in a heartbeat.
Revolutionsz
16-08-2004, 17:36
good link...
http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0816/venezuela.html

EC hails Chavez referendum
16 August 2004 17:32
The European Commission has described the conduct of the Venezuelan referendum as a 'victory for democracy'.

With 94% of the votes counted, the President Hugo Chavez had the support of 58% of the electorate.
Ecopoeia
16-08-2004, 17:39
I know, everyone wants autocracy and further economic decline. Real incomes are at the same level they were 50 years ago.
Eight elections in five years. EIGHT. I imagine that he must be doing something right. It's not just the economy, stupid.

Er. That's not meant to be an insult, just referencing a well-known quote.
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 17:42
Eight elections in five years. EIGHT. I imagine that he must be doing something right. It's not just the economy, stupid.

Er. That's not meant to be an insult, just referencing a well-known quote.
I know he was "elected" twice and now he "won" the referendum, but where do the other five elections come from?
Revolutionsz
16-08-2004, 17:44
WOW...he won...8 Elections/Referendums in 5 friggin years...No American President can say that...
Sumamba Buwhan
16-08-2004, 17:46
well Kwangy

If his victory is confirmed, it will be the eighth time Mr Chavez has won public approval of his rule and his policies, after two presidential elections and six referendums.
Europaland
16-08-2004, 17:53
The recall referendum in Venezuela


A crushing blow to the counterrevolution


By Alan Woods


At 4:03 this morning Venezuela's National Electoral Council (CNE) announced the result of the recall referendum on the government of the Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez Frias. A tally count of 94,49 percent of ballots from automatic voting machines revealed that the opposition had failed to obtain more votes than those who wanted Chávez to stay. There were 4,991,483 "no votes ", representing 58.95 percent of those voting, against 3,576,517 "yes" votes, representing 41.74 percent.

Immediately the opposition “categorically refused” to recognise the result. Nevertheless, it is clear that the “no” has won by an overwhelming majority. Early reports suggested an even bigger majority – 63percent to 36 percent. This may be closer to the truth. Manual count of votes from rural districts and poor urban areas where Chávez has widespread support, and where automatic machines were not used, will probably increase the President's margin of victory.

Masses roused

The referendum has roused the masses. There was unprecedented voter participation because everyone knew what was at stake. As a result Venezuelans were queuing for up to 10 hours to vote. Our correspondent in Caracas wrote last night, giving a taste of the mood on the streets during the voting:

“The euphoria on the faces of the people and the street celebrations in poor areas of Caracas contrast with the angry mood in the areas of the escuálidos. In all areas there have been big queues to vote, but whereas in the poorer districts they are still waiting to vote, in the upper class and middle class areas the queues have already vanished. In some areas people have been waiting six or seven hours to vote.”

The participation was around 90 percent. This historic voter turnout stands in stark contrast to the participation in elections in Britain or the United States. This is what happens when the people feel that they have something to vote for – and against. It is what happens when people feel that politics really matter and that voting can make a difference. What a contrast to the situation in the “western democracies” where in most cases people do not even bother to vote because they feel that, whoever is elected, it will make no real difference to their lives. Yet Bush and Blair think they have the right to lecture the people of Venezuela on democracy!




This outstanding victory in Sunday’s referendum is the eighth electoral victory of Chávez and the Bolivarians in the last six years. Yet the opposition still persists in describing him as a “dictator”. This flies in the face of the facts. Whatever you think about Hugo Chávez he is not a dictator. After almost six years in government, President Chávez has not only maintained his popular support but increased it. He won 56 percent in the 1998 elections and 59 percent in the 2000 re-election. Now his support is near 60 percent.

Defeated in every election, the opposition has tried to remove Chávez from power through a coup d'etat in 2002, followed by a management-led shutdown of the state oil company PDVSA. When these attempts failed the opposition put all their weight behind the recall referendum to oust the democratically elected President before the end of his term.

This is ironical. The constitutional right to a recall referendum only exists thanks to the new Constitution drafted by an elected Constituency Assembly during Hugo Chávez’s first year in office, and approved by popular referendum. The recall of elected officials was an idea proposed by Chávez to the Assembly, and it was supported by the majority and rejected by the opposition, which then hypocritically used that right to attempt to oust the President. By the way, if these “democrats” had won, the first thing they would have done is to abolish the right of recall referendum!

These gentlemen call themselves democrats but in practice show that “democracy” is only acceptable to them as long as their side wins. Right up to the last minute the opposition continued its manoeuvres. Before the official announcement was made by the CNE, a separate announcement by was made by CNE board members Sobella Mejias and Ezequiel Zamora, questioning the result. It is an open secret that both Mejia and Zamora are aligned with the opposition. By such dirty tricks the opposition seeks to discredit the referendum and thus prepare the way for future acts of sabotage.

Once again the working class and poor people of Venezuela displayed an unerring class instinct. It was reported that in the working-class neighbourhood of Petare, people were queuing since 4 am. When it became clear that the opposition had been defeated, the mood of the masses erupted. The streets around the Miraflores Presidential Palace in Caracas were full of pro-Chávez demonstrators celebrating this new victory for the Bolivarian revolution. Venezuelanalysis.com reports: “Chavistas have taken the streets of working class neighbourhoods blowing horns and playing music. Fireworks and firecrackers can also be heard in working class sections of Caracas, resembling a New Year's celebration.”

Blow to the counterrevolution

There is no doubt that this result represents a body blow to the counterrevolutionaries, a section of which was clearly reluctant to accept the result. Intense negotiations were reported to be taking place between the Carter Centre and the Organization of American States (OAS) and the opposition coalition Democratic Coordinator to convince them to accept Chávez's victory.

It is quite natural that the masses should celebrate. They had yet again delivered a heavy blow against the counterrevolution and blocked it on the electoral plane. But strangely enough, Chávez opponents were also reported to be on the streets, ordered out by their leaders to celebrate their own “victory”. Rank and file chavista groups have denounced the call as a plan to cause public disruptions and possible roadblocks as was done earlier this year. An opposition leader's call for a "civil rebellion" to protest the delays in the voting process clearly confirm these fears.

The counterrevolutionaries were hoping to use the referendum to engineer new clashes and disorders. Their ever-present hope is to cause sufficient chaos to provoke a coup. This would have been the scenario especially if the result had been close.

Opposition leaders Humberto Calderon Berti and Cesar Perez Vivas from the COPEI party gave a press conference Sunday night to thank international observers present in this “historic election”. The miserable expression on Berti's face told its own story. It was not supposed to be like this! The counterrevolutionaries hoped that their control of the mass media would give them a sufficient advantage to win the referendum. In addition they counted on the scarcely concealed support of Washington and most of the governments of Latin America, in the person of Jimmy Carter and the OAS.

The role of the foreign “observers”

We have still to hear the verdict of international observers, including former US President Jimmy Carter and the Organization of American States. More than 400 international observers, including a mission from the Organization of American States, descended upon Venezuela to “observe” the recall referendum process. This was really an unprecedented level of foreign interference in Venezuela’s internal affairs. This recall referendum was the most closely monitored electoral process in the western hemisphere. There was certainly no such monitoring of the last US Presidential elections, which were rigged to allow George W. Bush to get possession of the White House. But such little contradictions do not bother Venezuela’s foreign critics too much.

The best-known element in the “observer mission” is the Carter Centre, founded by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. This former peanut farmer made a mediocre President, but as a diplomatic manoeuverer he has excellent qualifications. President Chávez told me how Jimmy Carter wept when he learned of the appalling conditions of the Venezuelan poor. His ability to weep at given intervals is part of his inheritance from the US’s Southern Bible Belt. No doubt his ancestors also wept for the plight of the poor at the same time as they enriched themselves on the backs of their black slaves. This special brand of Christian hypocrisy is a most useful weapon in the armoury of international diplomacy, and one that Mr. Carter has mastered to the utmost perfection.

Hypocrisy is, in fact, very much in demand in Venezuela at the present time. The counterrevolution cannot afford to appear publicly in its real guise, but must disguise itself as “true democracy”, even though its real aim is to install a dictatorship in Venezuela. Numerous counterrevolutionary organizations have sprung up posing as “human rights” groups and so on. In order to deceive public opinion, things must be turned into their opposite: an election defeat must be presented as a victory, and a victory as a defeat, dictatorship must be presented as democracy and democracy as dictatorship, and so on.

One of those who specialise in this special brand of hypocrisy and deceit is Súmate, which is supposed to be an objective non-partisan civil association but in reality it is a pro-opposition group, financed by Washington. The co-director of Súmate, Maria Corina Machado, was a participant in the 2002 coup that briefly overthrew Chávez—she signed the decrees of would-be dictator Pedro Carmona. She is currently being investigated for treason, for having received funds from a foreign government (the U.S.) earmarked for ousting the Chávez government.

Súmate used its funds generously supplied by US donors to organize a large team of “volunteers” whose aim was to collect the largest possible number of “yes” votes in exit polls. These “objective results” could then be presented as “proof” that the opposition had won, and used as propaganda for organizing disturbances when a Chávez victory was announced.

Despite its public image of an “impartial body”, the Carter Centre is a tool of Washington. The Carter Centre relies on U.S. government funding. And as the English proverb goes: he who pays the piper calls the tune. It is well known that the entire U.S. political establishment opposes Chávez and supports the opposition.

In testimony before a U.S. subcommittee hearing on March 15, 2000, the Carter Centre's lead observer, University of Georgia political science professor Jennifer McCoy clearly placed the Venezuelan government in the category of "new, subtler forms of authoritarianism through the electoral option…" In her declared quest to "deter new hybrid democracies," McCoy called for continued U.S. government support of the Carter Centre, claiming that such funding represented a "neutral and professional means to improve the electoral process."

Dr. McCoy has called for U.S. pressure on the Chávez government, though there had never been any significant allegations of electoral fraud in either Chávez's 1998 election or in the plebiscites that his government sponsored in following years. She also portrayed the Chávez government in the same light as the Peruvian ex-dictator Alberto Fujimori!

Carter urges caution

The fact that the sympathies of Carter and the OAS were all on the side of the opposition is not seriously in doubt. However, the plans of the opposition to make use of the foreign “observers” were dashed by the mass response to the referendum campaign. The campaign itself was conducted in a scrupulously fair and democratic manner. None of the hoped-for irregularities were found.

Early on Sunday, after visiting several voting centres, Carter was forced to admit that the voting queues in Venezuela were "unprecedentedly long and orderly". Carter, who heads the Carter Center mission to observe Venezuela's historic recall referendum, added that "from the first hours of the day we have visited several voting centres of Caracas and there are thousands of people waiting with plenty of patience and in peace." OAS Secretary General Cesar Gaviria stated on Sunday that the referendum results would be “trustworthy”.

What else could these ladies and gentlemen say? The original intention of the OAS and the Carter Centre was to put pressure on the Caracas government to reach a “compromise” with the opposition, or, if possible, to rig the referendum in favour of the latter. If the result had been a close one, they might have tried to announce an opposition victory before the official result had been announced. This was probably the reason why the announcement of the result was delayed.

A section of the hardliners must have been demanding that the OAS and Carter should collaborate with such a manoeuvre. Some sectors of the opposition had apparently announced their intention to release the results of their own exit polls five hours before the voting centres were scheduled to close. This seems to have been the position of the opposition leader Enrique Mendoza. This would have been a clear provocation. But both the Carter Centre and the Organization of American States have understood that it is pointless and counterproductive to try to deny the result of the referendum.

At half past one in the morning, officials from the Carter Centre and OAS emerged from a meeting with the National Electoral Council. They were desperately trying to convince the Democratic Coordinator opposition coalition to accept Chávez's victory. There must have been a heated exchange in the small hours of the morning. But Carter could not oblige the hard liners. He is undoubtedly an imperialist scoundrel, but he is not a complete fool. A blatant attempt to hand victory to the opposition through fraud would have immediately provoked an explosion that could not be controlled.

Carter, a relatively astute representative of US imperialism therefore had to put pressure on the opposition to calm down. The Venezuelan newspaper Diario Vea stated that Dr. McCoy, had indirectly criticized the opposition's decision to release early and unofficial results. Dr. McCoy reportedly declared that all political actors should wait for the announcement of results by the accredited governmental body, the National Electoral Council.




Both the Carter Centre and the Organization of American States understood that it was pointless and counterproductive to try to deny the result of the referendum. But that was only a tactical decision. They understood that a coup was out of the question at this moment in time, because the class balance of forces was not favourable. Thus, a Chávez victory will have to be grudgingly accepted by at least one sector of the opposition. The best that they can hope for is to cast some doubt on the process, exaggerating irregularities, shouting fraud etc. This they are already doing. In fact, they were already doing it before the referendum even took place.

What now?

As we predicted in our last article (As August 15 approaches: Why Marxists are fighting for a “No” next Sunday), the imperialists understand that the time is not ripe for a new coup, which would lead to civil war – a civil war that they would certainly lose. Therefore, they have decided to adopt a different tactic. Having failed to take their objective by assault, they will resort to siege warfare. The struggle has not ended – merely passed onto a different plane. The counterrevolutionaries and their imperialist allies will wait until the correlation of class forces is more favourable. They will move again. But for now they must beat a tactical retreat and lick their wounds.

Does this mean that everything is solved and that the opposition has been decisively defeated? No, it means no such thing. What the referendum campaign has shown is that Venezuelan society is extremely polarized between right and left. This polarization will not disappear after the referendum, but steadily increase. In that sense, the referendum has solved nothing. The counterrevolutionaries will regroup their forces and prepare for a new offensive once the conditions are more favourable.

On the international plane they will not cease their noisy campaign against the Venezuelan revolution, or drop their claims that that Chávez has authoritarian tendencies. With the aid of organizations like Súmate, they will publish fake exit polls that directly contradict the official results to show that the result was based on fraud. They will continue to sabotage and obstruct the progress of the revolution, attempting to cause economic and social chaos. They will never be satisfied until Chávez has been overthrown and the gains of the Bolivarian revolution completely liquidated.

The latest victory of the Chávez government places the bourgeois opposition in a difficult position. This is the fourth time that a free election in Venezuela has given a decisive majority to Chávez. The Venezuelan bourgeoisie is getting increasingly desperate. The class war is intensifying all the time. The workers and peasants, encouraged by the result of the referendum, will demand more reforms and a deepening of the revolutionary process. The bourgeoisie and the imperialists will demand a halt and a reversal. The government will find itself ground between two millstones.

The massive voter participation on Sunday is a clear reflection of the extreme political polarization of Venezuelan society to the right and left. The immediate question was the permanence of President Hugo Chávez in office, but far deeper questions are involved, and these questions remain to be solved. It was necessary to win the referendum, but the referendum result will not solve these fundamental problems. It will only pose them in an even sharper way.

Those leaders of the Bolivarian movement who argued that, by holding the referendum, the enemies of the revolution would be silenced, have been shown to be wrong. The internal and external enemies of the Venezuelan revolution cannot be reconciled by elections, referendums and negotiations. They will only be satisfied when the revolution is defeated. Not to recognise this is the height of irresponsibility.

On previous occasions when the masses defeated the counterrevolution there was a golden opportunity to carry through the revolution to the end and finish the power of the oligarchy once and for all. But on each occasion the opportunity was thrown away. The leaders allowed themselves to be seduced by the siren voices that argued for “moderation” and “negotiation”. The inevitable result was a new offensive of the counterrevolution.

It is time to learn the lessons! One cannot make half a revolution. As long as the oligarchy continues to maintain its hold on important sections of the economy, it will continue to act as a Trojan Horse of US imperialism, sabotaging and undermining the Bolivarian revolution. It is time to ask ourselves the key question: can we allow the interests of a handful of rich parasites to decide the destinies of millions of people? Or will we put an end to this situation once and for all, expropriating the property of the counterrevolutionaries and taking the road of socialist democracy?

The 15 August will enter the annals of revolutionary history as a great victory for the working people – on one condition: that we do not waste it, that we do not hand the initiative back to our enemies, but strike blows against them that will destroy the basis of their power. That is the only way we can build upon our victory, and turn it into a decisive revolutionary transformation of society.

London, August 16, 2004.

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Drabikstan
16-08-2004, 17:55
Why does everyone in America hate Chavez? He seems OK. At least he lets everyone vote. Mainly because of his anti-imperialist stance and friendship with Fidel Castro.
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 17:55
I don't think all of those were like a national election or this most recent recall. This, after all, took a long time to get through due to obstructionist measures...
Revolutionsz
16-08-2004, 18:00
I don't think all of those were like a national election or this most recent recall. This, after all, took a long time to get through due to obstructionist measures...5 friggint Referendums(in 5 years)...I would obstruct after the second...You bet your ass I would....this Chavez is way too patient...
Drabikstan
16-08-2004, 18:01
I know, everyone wants autocracy and further economic decline. Real incomes are at the same level they were 50 years ago. Mainly because the opposition in Venezuela has been crippling the Venezuelan economy through oil strikes etc.

If Chavez was allowed to complete his term in office without all the political instability caused by the oligarchs, the oil dependent economy might be doing better.

Also, the social programs aimed at helping Venezuela's poor hasn't been cheap either.
Sumamba Buwhan
16-08-2004, 18:04
I will be glad to see the Country getting 30% of the oil revenues rahter thatn 15%.

This will do alot for the economy and still help Chavez with his social programs
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 18:05
Mainly because the opposition in Venezuela has been crippling the Venezuelan economy through oil strikes etc.

If Chavez was allowed to complete his term in office without all the political instability caused by the oligarchs, the oil dependent economy might be doing better.

Also, the social programs aimed at helping Venezuela's poor hasn't been cheap either.
Chavez admitted that the deliberately provoked the strikes. And the social programs often add up to no more than short-sighted bribes to keep the poor loyal to Chavez.
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 18:08
http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3102178
Furthermore, the president has remained popular among Venezuela’s poorest, despite the way his policies have impoverished the country. Since he was first elected six years ago, Venezuelans’ average income has fallen by around a quarter. The recent surge in oil prices has showered the government in oil revenues, allowing Mr Chávez to introduce some populist social programmes that may have swung him the vote. But these handouts are unlikely to compensate fully for years of steep economic decline, nor for roaring inflation (around 30% last year).
Savior of the poor
Asgars
16-08-2004, 18:12
i live in Venezuela, and there is about 45% of him winning. actually, some pople think he has 20% of winning whil other s say 70%. I personally, hate the guy.
Europaland
16-08-2004, 18:17
Chavez has continued to steadily have the support of 60% of the Venezualan population.
Seosavists
16-08-2004, 18:20
i live in Venezuela, and there is about 45% of him winning. actually, some pople think he has 20% of winning whil other s say 70%. I personally, hate the guy.
Really, why do you hate him?
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 18:27
Chavez in the Numbers
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In the past four years, GDP has shrunk by 950$ per head, averaged about -3% growth per year, averaged 20.5% inflation per year, public debt has shot up about 43%, labor costs have gone down about 33%, and unemployment is up to 21% from 13.9%,
Europaland
16-08-2004, 18:36
Chavez in the Numbers
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In the past four years, GDP has shrunk by 950$ per head, averaged about -3% growth per year, averaged 20.5% inflation per year, public debt has shot up about 43%, labor costs have gone down about 33%, and unemployment is up to 21% from 13.9%,

All the economic problems have been a result of the violent right wing opposition thugs who are doing all they can to destroy the will of the people of Venezuala. Chavez has been the first president to help the people of Venezuala and has used all the money generated by the oil of Venezuala to help the poor. Previously only 20% of oil money went back to the government.
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 18:41
All the economic problems have been a result of the violent right wing opposition thugs who are doing all they can to destroy the will of the people of Venezuala. Chavez has been the first president to help the people of Venezuala and has used all the money generated by the oil of Venezuala to help the poor. Previously only 20% of oil money went back to the government.
No, Chavez has provoked strikes and this economic disaster by his misguided plans. Giving handouts to poor people does not help them if, in 3 months, they're still poor. There's a difference between wanting to help the poor and driving the country into the dirt because you're too incompetent a leader to do it right.
Seosavists
16-08-2004, 19:22
Giving handouts to poor people does not help them if, in 3 months, they're still poor.
Well he cant force people to employ them and how doesnt it help them in 3 months they get more handouts so they can live.
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 19:27
Well he cant force people to employ them and how doesnt it help them in 3 months they get more handouts so they can live.
They were living before. In poverty. They're living now. In poverty, still, despite the handouts. He can't force people to employ anyone unless he decides go build up massive state industries which is stupid, even the majority of people in Venezuela say that a market economy is the only system which can develop their country (Latinobarometro poll, 2004). He can help to draw investment in and set up companies by avoiding huge strikes, having political stability (ie not the autocratic route he's taking), and building lasting infrastructure with the petrodollars rather than spending the money - and then some he dosen't have - on handouts.
Revolutionsz
16-08-2004, 21:08
Jimmy Carter Endorses Chavez Win in Venezuela
By ANDREW SELSKY, Associated Press Writer

CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez survived a referendum to oust him, according to results Monday, and former U.S. President Jimmy Carter and other election observers urged the opposition to accept the vote, deflating claims of fraud.

The victory stunned opposition figures who have fought for years to oust and will likely give Chavez an even broader mandate for his "revolution for the poor." Chavez is seen as a hero by Venezuela's majority poor but as an authoritarian by his critics, particularly among the wealthy.