NationStates Jolt Archive

It really surprises me, a newbie, to see so many outright Communists and Neo-Nazis in Nationstates. Together, they seem to be a strong minority, possibly even a majority, here.

What is it about Nation-States that attracts extremists? I wonder whether the idea of controlling an entire society appeals to people with a totalitarian mindset.

From this perspective, the game has a fundamental flaw: it regards societies as machines that can be managed and tweaked in god-like fashion. It may be fun, but we shouldn't confuse the game with reality. (And it disturbs me that teachers are using this game in the classroom. Do students really believe - or are they being taught - that actual societies work this way?)

I doubt that this game attracts more extremists than normal, I think they are just more vocal than the moderates. Also, I don't think any schoolchildren believe that societies work in the way presented on NS. I would assume that the teachers using this game are 7th grade and up, and hence the children would know a bit about government...

Do students really believe - or are they being taught - that actual societies work this way?

I doubt it. The whole game is definately humorous in intent. It's obvious to anyone.

As for extremists, I'm not extreme. I'm more like Morpheus while everyone else is still plugged into the metaphorical Matrix of authority and exploitation.

I think they are created, rather than attracted.

All the negative comments, your gonna want to defend yourself.

Because unlike some other forums on the internet this one has rather lenient rules, it attracts people that otherwise would be banned for their rather lenient tendancies with the truth.

I wonder whether the idea of controlling an entire society appeals to people with a totalitarian mindset.

then explain the rather sizeable number of anarchists around here

Well, I'm not really an extremist, although I've met very few people who think like I do. When I found NS, the idea of controlling a society appealed to me. I know RL could never work like my NS nation (my GDP per capita is lower than any RL nation.)

However, the school thing, I think it's being used to show how choices have consequences. In grade 9, where I come from, the teachers teach about cause-and-effect, and NS would be good for something like that.

The neo-nazis are just funny, so thats why we keep them. Other than that, its just people debating about what they believe, not what they practice in real life.

then explain the rather sizeable number of anarchists around here

I'm an anarchist not actually an extremist: I blame the perception that anarchists are extremists on the evil authoritarians way over yonder at the other side stretching out the spectrum so that we appear to be out at the point. Like much else in life it's their fault. Honest.

then explain the rather sizeable number of anarchists around here

Some anarchists have a totalitarian mindset themselves. Look at what the Catalan "anarchists" did in the 1930s. I should note that I am close to anarchist and used to be a full-blown anarchist. Perhaps it's more the case that people with rigid ideologies are attracted to the possibility of instantiating them in a fantasy world. There's not necessarily anything wrong with that, intrinsically; as others have pointed, the game does teach that actions have consequences...

Some anarchists have a totalitarian mindset themselves. Look at what the Catalan "anarchists" did in the 1930s.

They made some mistakes, but don't forget that they did some great things.

Some anarchists have a totalitarian mindset themselves. Look at what the Catalan "anarchists" did in the 1930s.

what, 'quite well under the cicrumstances'?

Some anarchists have a totalitarian mindset themselves. Look at what the Catalan "anarchists" did in the 1930sSource?

It really surprises me, a newbie, to see so many outright Communists and Neo-Nazis in Nationstates. Together, they seem to be a strong minority, possibly even a majority, here.

What is it about Nation-States that attracts extremists? I wonder whether the idea of controlling an entire society appeals to people with a totalitarian mindset.

Ok, I will bite then.
Why are you here?

The neo-nazis are just funny, so thats why we keep them. Other than that, its just people debating about what they believe, not what they practice in real life.


but why do so many people want to fight it out--i mean how many people on NS have had their veiws changed through a political debate?

i suppose NS is just a political recrutment ground--get the people who sit with the fence spike up their asses:)

Socalist Peoples, I have seen points of veiw that make me re-consider mine.
However, no matter how much I argue I am always listening to the other guy, so maybe that helps.
I have been directed to many sources I would have never checked on my own.
And it is interesting to see some the Europeans opinions around here.
Face to face political discussions that you see on NS are not possible, as I know I would certainly hit someone for talking to me the way some people talk to you here.
However since you cant do that, and you still usually want to defend your idea you are forced to listen, at least a little bit.

Ach, the nazis and their ilk just come in little waves. One of them will join, and start spamming screeds of cut-and-pasted bullshit on the forum. This tends to get beaten down, so the nazi squeals for help on the tinfoil-hat forum he usually frequents. A handful more pea-brained sorry cases turn up and spam some more predigested crap and agree furiously with each other (and indeed with themselves, via puppets). After a week or so most of them get frightened by the ease with which their lines of BS are dismantled and scurry off again to the self-confirming safety of decentgodfearingwhitepeopleagainstthejewishmindcontrollasers.net.

It's kind of like the weather. There's no point complaining about it.

I'm bit extremist. I'm quite far-right (read:fascist) and also a bit of a zealot too. I've also noticed the amount of extremists here

Personally, I don't think there are enough extremists. NS isn't a place for "extremists" so much as it is a breeding ground for leftist Europeans to foment their utter hatred for America, Israel, and morality in general and recruit more leftists to their cause of jihad on christianity and conservatism.

But I guess I'm just a "right-wing extremist."

Personally, I don't think there are enough extremists. NS isn't a place for "extremists" so much as it is a breeding ground for leftist Europeans to foment their utter hatred for America, Israel, and morality in general and recruit more leftists to their cause of jihad on christianity and conservatism. Substantiate or fuck off.

Personally, I don't think there are enough extremists. NS isn't a place for "extremists" so much as it is a breeding ground for leftist Europeans to foment their utter hatred for America, Israel, and morality in general and recruit more leftists to their cause of jihad on christianity and conservatism.

Yes... because all those recent attacks on Jews have been posted by "leftist Europeans", now, haven't they? And all those right-wing Americans supporting the use of torture, they're fine upstanding examples of Christian morality, too.

But I guess I'm just a "right-wing extremist."

Recognising you have a problem is the first step towards recovery. Well done!

Substantiate or fuck off.

Eh, Holy Word.. perhaps not so direct. Doesn't offend me personally, but it might some. (This isn't a warning, just a suggestion)

Thanks.
Stephanie
Game Moderator

Yes... because all those recent attacks on Jews have been posted by "leftist Europeans", now, haven't they?

Liberlism is like a fanatical religion...a diesease that infests the minds of many, many Jews in Western societies. They are the union mangers lining their own pockets under the guise of "fairness" and they're the big media conglomerates using the influence of television to indoctrinate the masses with "multiculturalism," thus destroying any sense of national identity.

This is why "right-wingers" support Jews in Israel. The only thing they are good for is destroying the radical islamists who want to bring an end to civilization. Unfortunately, most American Jews would rather see Israel abliterated by the Palestinians.

And all those right-wing Americans supporting the use of torture, they're fine upstanding examples of Christian morality, too.

Pretending that using excessive force on foreign enemy soldiers and islamic terrorists is morally equivalent to using excessive force on civilians who pose no major threat to society is intellectually dishonest.

Pretending that using excessive force on foreign enemy soldiers and islamic terrorists is morally equivalent to using excessive force on civilians who pose no major threat to society is intellectually dishonest.

Surely not: you just stated yourself that in both cases the amount of force was 'excessive': certainly a clear indication that in both instances the golden mean has been overstepped. Certainly it might be the case that there is a reasonable and rational, even moral, amount of force that can or should be used against either group, and it might also be the case that the level of force appropriate to the two groups is different, but your use of the term 'excessive' clearly marks that this level has been overstepped: thus there is moral equivalence and no intellectual dishonesty.

Surely not: you just stated yourself that in both cases the amount of force was 'excessive': certainly a clear indication that in both instances the golden mean has been overstepped. Certainly it might be the case that there is a reasonable and rational, even moral, amount of force that can or should be used against either group, and it might also be the case that the level of force appropriate to the two groups is different, but your use of the term 'excessive' clearly marks that this level has been overstepped: thus there is moral equivalence and no intellectual dishonesty.

The punishment is only morally equivalent if the crime is morally equivalent. Mere criminals should be treated with some civility, while enemy combatants are to be treated as the subhuman mongrols that they are. There are no "standards" to be used when confronting the State's enemies. Pretending that the "golden mean" that should not be crossed should be the same for both groups is intellectually dishonest.

Eh, Holy Word.. perhaps not so direct. Doesn't offend me personally, but it might some. (This isn't a warning, just a suggestion)

Thanks.
Stephanie
Game ModeratorOk Steph, I'll behave. (I hate it when people are reasonable at me. ;)) Would it be ok to suggest people read my sig. :D

Mere criminals should be treated with some civility, while enemy combatants are to be treated as the subhuman mongrols that they are.

Ah, so (assuming you are speaking from a US perspective), for example, the Italians were subhuman mongrols up until they changed sides and allied with the Allies... amazing how easy it is to shift from the category of 'subhuman mongrol' to 'human being'. Suspiciously so.

Ah, so (assuming you are speaking from a US perspective), for example, the Italians were subhuman mongrols up until they changed sides and allied with the Allies... amazing how easy it is to shift from the category of 'subhuman mongrol' to 'human being'. Suspiciously so.

The Fascists weren't neccesarily mongrols, just the Nazis. Every nation should feel that way about their enemies and allies.

The Fascists weren't neccesarily mongrols, just the Nazis.

But you just claimed that "enemy combatants are to be treated as the subhuman mongrols that they are". The Italian army were 'enemy combatants', therefore by your claim they were necessarilly 'subhuman mongrols'. Yes? No?

The Fascists weren't neccesarily mongrols, just the Nazis. Every nation should feel that way about their enemies and allies.

Ah. So -- to drop briefly into the theme of Christian morality about which you feel so strongly -- when Jesus said "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44), what he really meant was "do whatever it takes to defeat those subhuman mongrels." And when he said "Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" (Matthew 5:39), presumably this has been altered by the liberal jewish-owned media from the original "Kill! Kill! Kill them all, and let God sort them out!"

You might find this site (http://www.baco.co.uk) useful.

But you just claimed that "enemy combatants are to be treated as the subhuman mongrols that they are". The Italian army were 'enemy combatants', therefore by your claim they were necessarilly 'subhuman mongrols'. Yes? No?

Unfortunately, yes. We did have to treat them as enemy combatants because of there alliance with the Nazis after they (the Fascists) had already denounced them (Nazis). After the war, we should have let the Fascists stay in power in Italy when they joined the 'allies' and let them claim power in Germany and in other conquered territories.

Also, the tactics that are neccesary against our enemies today (muslims) are far different than the tactics needed against the Italians. Different enemies require different measures.

Unfortunately, yes. We did have to treat them as enemy combatants because of there alliance with the Nazis after they (the Fascists) had already denounced them (Nazis). After the war, we should have let the Fascists stay in power in Italy when they joined the 'allies' and let them claim power in Germany and in other conquered territories.

Ah, yes, because that would have worked, wouldn't it? I mean, the Italian people just loved the Fascists in 1945. Stringing Mussolini and his various hangers-on upside-down from lamp-posts was just an indication of overenthusiastic joy.

It really surprises me, a newbie, to see so many outright Communists and Neo-Nazis in Nationstates. Together, they seem to be a strong minority, possibly even a majority, here.

What is it about Nation-States that attracts extremists? I wonder whether the idea of controlling an entire society appeals to people with a totalitarian mindset.

From this perspective, the game has a fundamental flaw: it regards societies as machines that can be managed and tweaked in god-like fashion. It may be fun, but we shouldn't confuse the game with reality. (And it disturbs me that teachers are using this game in the classroom. Do students really believe - or are they being taught - that actual societies work this way?)

You act like a game on the internet is what my ideal's are trulfully like. I'm not really a fascist at all. I do admit some things that Hitler and some other dictator's have done have been genious, but I do not stand for them in any way, shape, or form.

Ah, yes, because that would have worked, wouldn't it? I mean, the Italian people just loved the Fascists in 1945. Stringing Mussolini and his various hangers-on upside-down from lamp-posts was just an indication of overenthusiastic joy.

LOL, funny guy. Props to you :).

Ah, yes, because that would have worked, wouldn't it? I mean, the Italian people just loved the Fascists in 1945. Stringing Mussolini and his various hangers-on upside-down from lamp-posts was just an indication of overenthusiastic joy.

Italian partisons (Communists) killed him. The 'partisons' were taking out revenge because Mussolini rightly destoryed they're power structure. The 'partisons' executed Mussolini on behalf of Winston Churchill. Around the end of the war Mussolini spoke of letters written to him by Churchill that would have completely ruined his reputation. Mussolini was captured carrying a bunch of documents. Churchill needed to retrieve those documents in order to save face. This is why Churchill visited the town where Mussolini spent his last days.

Italian partisons (Communists) killed him. The 'partisons' were taking out revenge because Mussolini rightly destoryed they're power structure. So in a choice between fascists and anti fascists you'll back the fascists.

So in a choice between fascists and anti fascists you'll back the fascists.

Absolutely.

Italian partisons (Communists) killed him. The 'partisons' were taking out revenge because Mussolini rightly destoryed they're power structure. The 'partisons' executed Mussolini on behalf of Winston Churchill. Around the end of the war Mussolini spoke of letters written to him by Churchill that would have completely ruined his reputation. Mussolini was captured carrying a bunch of documents. Churchill needed to retrieve those documents in order to save face. This is why Churchill visited the town where Mussolini spent his last days.

Right. So Musso was strung up in a collaboration between Churchill and the Italian Communists. Sure. I mean, Winnie and the Communists, they were tight, man. Red Winston, they used to call him down the local asylum. Your evidence for this garbage, please?

I don't dispute that the Communists executed him, but the execution --- and indeed the Communists -- were hardly unpopular at the time. Unlike the Fascists, who in 13 short years had managed to lead Italy into complete and utter disaster, invaded from both directions at once. Is it any wonder that news of Mussolini's death was greeted with jubilation right across Italy?

And finally, what is it with you and the letter "o"? It's mongrEls and partisAns, for pity's sake.

Just so people are aware precisely what worldview they're debating Luciferius is a fascist- http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6798461#post6798461

I think that was a bit dishonest of you to not state that from the start Lucy.

What is with you all fash suddenly turning up? Are you bored of Stormfront? (And your 'white nationalist dating forum' is one of the funniest things I've ever read).

To be honest I see more right-wing extremists than Communists or Neo-Nazis. I actually find the Neo-Nazi's kind of funny but the narrow mindedness some right-wing extremists show just annoys the hell outta me. <mock>"Liberals are a disease. Socialists are lazy bastards. Bush is the greatest president ever. Blah, blah, blah."</mock> Add another belief system to the mix like Christianity or Objectivism to the mix and, you've got a holier-than-thou ass who just loves to attack others beliefs(but then again, they're that way without it it, it just gets worse since they have more to bitch about). But hey, what does my opinion matter? I'm just a pesky leftist scumbag</sarcasm> :rolleyes: I'm sorry it just pisses me off that much.

Just so people are aware precisely what worldview they're debating Luciferius is a fascist- http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6798461#post6798461

I think that was a bit dishonest of you to not state that from the start Lucy.

What is with you all fash suddenly turning up? Are you bored of Stormfront? (And your 'white nationalist dating forum' is one of the funniest things I've ever read).

Arf! A 'white nationalist dating forum'! I've got to check that out. Do they have to post their pedigrees?

I don't have a totalitarian mindset, I don't think, but what's wrong in wanting
to have control over a whole nation that isn't real? I mean, there are
presidents in the real life - why would they run for president if not for the
power?

Escaping the uncontrollable Real Life World is one of the best reasons for
places like NationStates to exist. Besides, how can you know that someone
posing as a communist (never understood why the people over in the States
think it's such a bad political direction, BTW - it nearly worked, after all :-))
or Neo-Nazi is like that in Real Life? They could just be arguing the point here
for the fun of it.

However, when I _really_ want to feel like in control of some world, even
when it's not real, it's not NationStates I turn to, because it has the elements
of chaos in it as well as RL does. No, I direct my gaze to the multiple
computer games that are all about creating your own society and then
conquering the world with it.

Just my two cents' worth. :-)

Right. So Musso was strung up in a collaboration between Churchill and the Italian Communists. Sure. I mean, Winnie and the Communists, they were tight, man. Red Winston, they used to call him down the local asylum. Your evidence for this garbage, please?

I don't dispute that the Communists executed him, but the execution --- and indeed the Communists -- were hardly unpopular at the time. Unlike the Fascists, who in 13 short years had managed to lead Italy into complete and utter disaster, invaded from both directions at once. Is it any wonder that news of Mussolini's death was greeted with jubilation right across Italy?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Churchill hated Communists, but he still swallowed his long hatred of Soviet Communism to fight the Axis Powers didn't he. Temporay collaboration with Commies for his own sake is not something I'd put past ol Winnie.

War turned Italy into a disaster. Mussolini saved it from Communism, decadent liberalism, the Great Depression, reduced crime drastically, and turned a wartorn country into a military world power.

NS isn't a place for "extremists" so much as it is a breeding ground for leftist Europeans to foment their utter hatred for America, Israel, and morality in general and recruit more leftists to their cause of jihad on christianity and conservatism.

*giggle* This is by far the funniest thing I've read in NS Forum for the past three months! Ever wondered _why_ us 'leftist Europeans' don't like USA (speaking of 'America' you're putting Canada, Mexico and the innocent South American countries on the same line and it's not really fair)? Perhaps because of USA's 'jihad' against people who think differently than it?

Just so people are aware precisely what worldview they're debating Luciferius is a fascist- http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6798461#post6798461

I think that was a bit dishonest of you to not state that from the start Lucy.


Why? I don't see everyone else constantly pointing out their political pursuasion in every post the make. You should have read the post I made after that one.

Arf! A 'white nationalist dating forum'! I've got to check that out. Do they have to post their pedigrees?
I'd love to see their equivalent of Crufts.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Churchill hated Communists, but he still swallowed his long hatred of Soviet Communism to fight the Axis Powers didn't he. Temporay collaboration with Commies for his own sake is not something I'd put past ol Winnie.

I note with interest that you have still failed to substantiate this myth of "Mussolini's letters". By the way, what makes you think that the Italian partisans -- or pretty much anybody in Italy in 1945 -- needed Churchill's encouragement to execute Il Duce?

War turned Italy into a disaster. Mussolini saved it from Communism, decadent liberalism, the Great Depression, reduced crime drastically, and turned a wartorn country into a military world power.

No, Mussolini, llike every other Fascist thug before or since, took a weakened nation, got it worked up about how fantastic they were, shot anyone who disagreed and launched a few aggressive wars in the hope of easy victory and cheap pride. Also like every Fascist thug before or since, the whole sorry enterprise resulted in widespread misery and social and economic decay. Although Mussolini managed to inflict misery and terror on the Abyssinian population, the Italian people weren't really cut out for an imperial lifestyle and soon got sick of it, and of Il Duce. After blundering them from a small war into a big one, Mussolini continued to swagger around like a comic-opera villain, spouting nonsensical speeches and being hopelessly unable to organise a piss-up in a brewery, let alone a European war. Defeat followed inevitable defeat, until finally the Italians got so sick of him they chased him out themselves. He ended his life as a piece of meat swinging from a lamp-post -- a fitting end for one of Europe's greatest hams.

And he didn't save Bologna from Communism: Italy's richest city has been run by the Communists since 1945. Oh, they must be crying, where is Mussolini now when we need him? How we long for an end to this peace and prosperity. What we wouldn't give for some vainglorious foreign military adventure that ends in ignominious disaster!

Mere criminals should be treated with some civility, while enemy combatants are to be treated as the subhuman mongrols that they are. There are no "standards" to be used when confronting the State's enemies. Pretending that the "golden mean" that should not be crossed should be the same for both groups is intellectually dishonest.
Sure they're still humans, and we have a document called the Geneva Conventions.

The 'partisons' were taking out revenge because Mussolini rightly destoryed they're power structure. Mussolini was captured carrying a bunch of documents. Churchill needed to retrieve those documents in order to save face.
Where's that tin foil hat forum again?

You must really hate America, where people with non-fascist opinions are allowed to express them.

I note with interest that you have still failed to substantiate this myth of "Mussolini's letters". By the way, what makes you think that the Italian partisans -- or pretty much anybody in Italy in 1945 -- needed Churchill's encouragement to execute Il Duce?

http://www.ihffilm.com/r544.html

http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Churchill/Mussolini_letters/Times_030200.html

There is currently a rising resurrection of Fascism in Europe. Parts of Germany have elected members of far right ideology and the Germans are unable to to stop the rise of Fascist groups like the NPD www.npd.de or the DVU www.dvu.de. Also in france the Front Nationale is still growing, Chirac won the French election in 2002 by a 4 point margin, and in Austria the Freedom party has achieved a coalition government www.fpoe.at and in Austrian province of Carinthia Joerg Haider who was the Chairman of the freedom party and step down a few years ago, is now the govenor of Carinthia. Fascism was so bad for Europe, yet Europeans are voting the back into power? Fascism will first take off in Austria, then Europe and then the United States!



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FASCISM FORWARD!

I'd love to see their equivalent of Crufts.

"Emmy-Lou Dribble, out of Betsy-Mae Dribble (nee Dribble), by Billy-Joe Dribble. A fine example of a Dribble: note the slack jaw, the glazed or 'Aryan' expression, the generously broad, empty void between the slightly pricked ears. And of course she's completely incapable of doing any tricks whatsoever. Has been known to turn a few, though."

In response to Luciferius, it just goes to show that the US doesn't have the monopoly on making bad voting decisions. We're all culpable.

Sure they're still humans, and we have a document called the Geneva Conventions.

The Geneva Conventions does not apply to terrorists nor was it written to apply to them.

You must really hate America, where people with non-fascist opinions are allowed to express them.

I love this country and I will always fight to make it Stronger.

http://www.ihffilm.com/r544.html

http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Churchill/Mussolini_letters/Times_030200.html

Sorry. I need a real source, not a site that peddles convicted liar David Irving's line of bullshit.

There is currently a rising resurrection of Fascism in Europe. Parts of Germany have elected members of far right ideology and the Germans are unable to to stop the rise of Fascist groups like the NPD or the DVU. Also in france the Front Nationale is still growing, Chirac won the French election in 2002 by a 4 point margin, and in Austria the Freedom party has achieved a coalition government and in Austrian province of Carinthia Joerg Haider who was the Chairman of the freedom party and step down a few years ago, is now the govenor of Carinthia. Fascism was so bad for Europe, yet Europeans are voting the back into power? Fascism will first take off in Austria, then Europe and then the United States!



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FASCISM FORWARD!

Yes, dear, I'm sure it is.

I doubt it. The whole game is definately humorous in intent. It's obvious to anyone.

As for extremists, I'm not extreme. I'm more like Morpheus while everyone else is still plugged into the metaphorical Matrix of authority and exploitation.


I'd like to think of myself as one of the few men with sight, in the land of the blind.

The Geneva Conventions does not apply to terrorists nor was it written to apply to them.

Pretending that using excessive force on foreign enemy soldiers and islamic terrorists is morally equivalent to using excessive force on civilians who pose no major threat to society is intellectually dishonest.

It may very well be that the Geneva Convention was not written to apply to terrorists, but it was written to apply to foreign enemy soldiers...

Ah, yes, because that would have worked, wouldn't it? I mean, the Italian people just loved the Fascists in 1945. Stringing Mussolini and his various hangers-on upside-down from lamp-posts was just an indication of overenthusiastic joy.


Anybody is hated when they've lost the war and put their nation through such hardships. But before the war started, and even while it was going but had yet to go bad, they loved him. But once they lost in Africa and then Sicily, you could tell they'd had it with him. The Italian people are fickle, they'll change their opinions too quickly. The Germans and Japanese however, they pick something and even if they're losing, they go down fighting.

To be honest I see more right-wing extremists than Communists or Neo-Nazis. I actually find the Neo-Nazi's kind of funny but the narrow mindedness some right-wing extremists show just annoys the hell outta me. <mock>"Liberals are a disease. Socialists are lazy bastards. Bush is the greatest president ever. Blah, blah, blah."</mock> Add another belief system to the mix like Christianity or Objectivism to the mix and, you've got a holier-than-thou ass who just loves to attack others beliefs(but then again, they're that way without it it, it just gets worse since they have more to bitch about). But hey, what does my opinion matter? I'm just a pesky leftist scumbag</sarcasm> :rolleyes: I'm sorry it just pisses me off that much.


I hate Bush, he's a New World Order, mason, Moloch worshipping piece of trash.

Find the most vocal proponent of the extreme right-wing nazi/racist/fascist/etc ideology, and have them debate it out with the most vocal proponent of the extreme left-wing marxist/communist/anarchist/etc ideology.

That would be interesting.


So who do you all consider the most vocal right-wing person?

Who do you consider the most vocal left-wing person?

Anybody is hated when they've lost the war and put their nation through such hardships. But before the war started, and even while it was going but had yet to go bad, they loved him. But once they lost in Africa and then Sicily, you could tell they'd had it with him. The Italian people are fickle, they'll change their opinions too quickly. The Germans and Japanese however, they pick something and even if they're losing, they go down fighting.

More fools the Germans and Japanese, then. Better to recognise when you've made a bad decision, and change it, than to blindly stick to the wrong thing out of sheer manic bloody-mindedness.

I've never understood this admiration some people have for what is nothing more than pig-headed obstinacy in the face of all evidence to the contrary. What's the point in having a mind if you don't change it now and then?

They made some mistakes, but don't forget that they did some great things.

curious. such as?

I've never understood this admiration some people have for what is nothing more than pig-headed obstinacy in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

That's because you're a douche bag. :)

To be honest I see more right-wing extremists than Communists or Neo-Nazis. I actually find the Neo-Nazi's kind of funny but the narrow mindedness some right-wing extremists show just annoys the hell outta me. <mock>"Liberals are a disease. Socialists are lazy bastards. Bush is the greatest president ever. Blah, blah, blah."</mock> Add another belief system to the mix like Christianity or Objectivism to the mix and, you've got a holier-than-thou ass who just loves to attack others beliefs(but then again, they're that way without it it, it just gets worse since they have more to bitch about). But hey, what does my opinion matter? I'm just a pesky leftist scumbag</sarcasm> :rolleyes: I'm sorry it just pisses me off that much.
Darekin is right; there are no leftists on this forum. None at all. In fact, everyone on this forum is a right-wing Bush-loving warmongering extremist. I just wish the reich-wingers would stop having different opinions from us enlightened progressives. They have no consideration. Damn you, fascists! Damn you all to hell!!!

I think its important to remmember that some people are not extremists and merely RolePlay as extremists because those types of government tend to be more interesting - at least to some people.

Like my nation - Euro Switzerland is supposed to be a communist nation. However, I am not a communist myself, but I am interested in that sort of government.

Not saying moderate governments are boring to play, but there's something to be said about building up your dictator as an interesting character. :)