NationStates Jolt Archive

(This is mainly for Americans, but if you're not, and you feel you have something really important to say or debate, go ahead)
What do you think about the current policies? What do you think it should be?

Vote, speak up, and debate!

One of the options I give won't fit, so let me descibe it here. It's called Juris Naturalis - It is what George Washington believed in. That is, politically, be neutral and try to avoid as much political connections as possible. But, when it comes to trade and travel, do not hold back, go trade and travel as much as possible! This is NOT isolationism!

Dude, stop spamming. If you want it to go to the top of the list, simply post in the thread again.

The other post I forgot to add a poll. This one has the poll, and I stated that in the other thread.

The other post I forgot to add a poll. This one has the poll, and I stated that in the other thread.
click on Thread Tools up there after you make a thread

click on Thread Tools up there after you make a thread
Well, excuse me for not knowing I could do that. Calm down. I'm not willing going out and spamming this forum.

Anyway, what do people think about the foreign policies?

Well, excuse me for not knowing I could do that. Calm down. I'm not willing going out and spamming this forum.

Anyway, what do people think about the foreign policies?
Hey, I was just pointing it out. Calmly.

Keep it like it is, but expand it globally. That isn't to say that we should fight wars around the world. They aren't needed much outside the Middle East. All we have to do is continue to see to the economic sucess of these areas. That'll lead to liberal democracy, and it'll work as a crecendo to stop terrorism before it starts.

Well, excuse me for not knowing I could do that. Calm down. I'm not willing going out and spamming this forum.

And the other four times you posted this thread?....

Anyway, what do people think about the foreign policies?

Towards which nation in particular?

Here are my ideas (which many will disagree with):

1.Immediately and completely end foreign aid to all nations, both friends and foes.
2.Return each and every US soldier home from abroad.
3.Withdraw from the UN, NATO, NAFTA, the WTO, and every other entangling alliance.
4.Break off all relations with all nations that consider us (whether openly or privately) "the main enemy."
5.Renew relations with the Republic of China (Taiwan), and recognize its government as China's only legitimate government.
6.Abandon all our bases overseas (except in US territories, like Guam)
7.Cease policies which intentionally undermine our allies and strengthen our foes.
8.Pursue a 100% non-interventionist foreign policy, and never allow ourselves to be entangled in conflicts which are of no concern to us.
9.Demand the immediate return of all POWs from countries where they are still being held; should the nations holding them prisoner refuse to comply, bomb the living hell out of them until they agree with our demands.
10.(This is more of a domestic affair, but I'll put it here, anyway) Return any and all illegal immigrants and drastically strengthen our borders.
11.Remove all CFR, TC, IPS, Bildeberger (sp?), PANC, etc. members from the federal government, as well as all other internationalists and warmongers.
12.Fight wars only if absolutely necessary, and only if we have been attacked and are 100% sure who our enemy is. Then, fight only after Congress has declared war, and fight to win.

Here are my ideas (which many will disagree with):

1.Immediately and completely end foreign aid to all nations, both friends and foes.
2.Return each and every US soldier home from abroad.
3.Withdraw from the UN, NATO, NAFTA, the WTO, and every other entangling alliance.
4.Break off all relations with all nations that consider us (whether openly or privately) "the main enemy."
5.Renew relations with the Republic of China (Taiwan), and recognize its government as China's only legitimate government.
6.Abandon all our bases overseas (except in US territories, like Guam)
7.Cease policies which intentionally undermine our allies and strengthen our foes.
8.Pursue a 100% non-interventionist foreign policy, and never allow ourselves to be entangled in conflicts which are of no concern to us.
9.Demand the immediate return of all POWs from countries where they are still being held; should the nations holding them prisoner refuse to comply, bomb the living hell out of them until they agree with our demands.
10.(This is more of a domestic affair, but I'll put it here, anyway) Return any and all illegal immigrants and drastically strengthen our borders.
11.Remove all CFR, TC, IPS, Bildeberger (sp?), PANC, etc. members from the federal government, as well as all other internationalists and warmongers.
12.Fight wars only if absolutely necessary, and only if we have been attacked and are 100% sure who our enemy is. Then, fight only after Congress has declared war, and fight to win.

Here, let me paraphrase....colapse the world economy and plung it into WW3.

Alot easier to say in one line.... :D

I am of the isolationist attitude

Defend trade and get out of bed politically with everyone (except for securing FAIR trade which is political partly). We dont need to run the world.

Secure our borders big time and help get all Americans and the economy back on its feet and make sure that it is runnign smoothly before we attempt to condemn the way other people are running their country.

Here are my ideas (which many will disagree with):

1.Immediately and completely end foreign aid to all nations, both friends and foes.
2.Return each and every US soldier home from abroad.
3.Withdraw from the UN, NATO, NAFTA, the WTO, and every other entangling alliance.
4.Break off all relations with all nations that consider us (whether openly or privately) "the main enemy."
5.Renew relations with the Republic of China (Taiwan), and recognize its government as China's only legitimate government.
6.Abandon all our bases overseas (except in US territories, like Guam)
7.Cease policies which intentionally undermine our allies and strengthen our foes.
8.Pursue a 100% non-interventionist foreign policy, and never allow ourselves to be entangled in conflicts which are of no concern to us.
9.Demand the immediate return of all POWs from countries where they are still being held; should the nations holding them prisoner refuse to comply, bomb the living hell out of them until they agree with our demands.
10.(This is more of a domestic affair, but I'll put it here, anyway) Return any and all illegal immigrants and drastically strengthen our borders.
11.Remove all CFR, TC, IPS, Bildeberger (sp?), PANC, etc. members from the federal government, as well as all other internationalists and warmongers.
12.Fight wars only if absolutely necessary, and only if we have been attacked and are 100% sure who our enemy is. Then, fight only after Congress has declared war, and fight to win.

I agree almost completely without arguement.

10.(This is more of a domestic affair, but I'll put it here, anyway) Return any and all illegal immigrants and drastically strengthen our borders.
If someone has landed on US soil, then legally, he is allowed to stay. Although, I agree with strengthening our borders, I do not feel we should kick people out who have come generally to escape their old government. We should still allow people to come in, though, but legally, as the US has always been.

5.Renew relations with the Republic of China (Taiwan), and recognize its government as China's only legitimate government.
I disagree. We should not renew relations with other nations. We should flat out stay out of political relations with them. Also, if we refuse to recognize China's current (and legal) government, that could start a war we don't want to. Just trade with them, and do not both with doing anything else with them.

3.Withdraw from the UN, NATO, NAFTA, the WTO, and every other entangling alliance. Do not stop their. We need to end all alliances, cut all POLITICAL ties, and do as little as possible politically with all nations. Declare neutral stance with all countries. But, we need to trade with all nations, and travelling is good.

4.Break off all relations with all nations that consider us (whether openly or privately) "the main enemy." As said above, neutral, as little political stuff as possible, but do trade. If we cut trades, it could lead to war, such as what happened in WWII, which is part of the reason Japan attacked the US in the first place. It was not all because they wanted to conquer America, like so many believe. It is because of actions taken by America before then. Did you know we supplied planes AND pilots to China, and helped to launch an air raid on Japan, with American planes AND pilots attacking Japan. We also cut trade, which cut their supplies. This is the main reason they RETALIATED against America.

7.Cease policies which intentionally undermine our allies and strengthen our foes. See above ideas for foreign connections (allies/enemies)

Everything else I agree. If this format is used, that would be considered Juris Naturalis. It is exactly what the founding fathers, and especially George Washington, wanted.

This is not true isolationism!

I support being an isolationist except for trade but I think if a country attack us we should invade and occupy it.

I support being an isolationist except for trade but I think if a country attack us we should invade and occupy it.
If you feel we should trade and travel, that is not isolationism. Isolationism=no communication what so ever w/ outsiders. No letting anyone in, or out. No trade. No travel. That is isolationism.

I'm down with the Washington way. Sounds smart to me. Again this raises the question: why are our current leaders such dumbasses compared to our founding fathers?

I'm down with the Washington way. Sounds smart to me. Again this raises the question: why are our current leaders such dumbasses compared to our founding fathers?
Because they learned in the same public schools that most Americans learned in? And if you think the current ones are bad, wait til you see the ones 20 or 30 yrs from now... *gulps* If America is even around at that point, anyway... *sigh*

America needs fixing... and I mean NOW.

Of course, I'm not saying ALL future leaders will be bad... I know Jarridia, one of my good friends, who plays this game, runs and becomes president, we'll be in a lot better shape than if most others got into office... He thinks like I do, and we think like the founders did.

Here, let me paraphrase....colapse the world economy and plung it into WW3.

Alot easier to say in one line.... :D

How would minding our own business and keeping our noses out of other nations' affairs start WWIII? How would it collapse the world economy?

America needs fixing... and I mean NOW.

Agreed.

Here, let me paraphrase....colapse the world economy and plung it into WW3.

Alot easier to say in one line.... :DHow would minding our own business and keeping our noses out of other nations' affairs start WWIII? How would it collapse the world economy?
Isolationism would cause the collapse of that nations economy. Juris Naturalism would only help would economy, and keep America OUT of a war, unless we were attacked, which would be stupid on their part for a few reason. First, they would not be able to trade with America, which means that would cut alotta their supplies. And also, America's military is still among the best in the world, and they would have to face it. You saw how Americans acted in Sept. 11th. Any kind of major attack on the US would cause that type of feeling again, bringing Americans back together, and demanding the destruction of the opposition. Never mess with a pissed-off America.

So, Juris Naturalism would be the best solution for foreign policies, as it would keep our economy stronger than any of those other options, and would keep us out of less trouble than any of the other ones.

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Here are my ideas (which many will disagree with):

1.Immediately and completely end foreign aid to all nations, both friends and foes.
2.Return each and every US soldier home from abroad.
3.Withdraw from the UN, NATO, NAFTA, the WTO, and every other entangling alliance.
4.Break off all relations with all nations that consider us (whether openly or privately) "the main enemy."
5.Renew relations with the Republic of China (Taiwan), and recognize its government as China's only legitimate government.
6.Abandon all our bases overseas (except in US territories, like Guam)
7.Cease policies which intentionally undermine our allies and strengthen our foes.
8.Pursue a 100% non-interventionist foreign policy, and never allow ourselves to be entangled in conflicts which are of no concern to us.
9.Demand the immediate return of all POWs from countries where they are still being held; should the nations holding them prisoner refuse to comply, bomb the living hell out of them until they agree with our demands.
10.(This is more of a domestic affair, but I'll put it here, anyway) Return any and all illegal immigrants and drastically strengthen our borders.
11.Remove all CFR, TC, IPS, Bildeberger (sp?), PANC, etc. members from the federal government, as well as all other internationalists and warmongers.
12.Fight wars only if absolutely necessary, and only if we have been attacked and are 100% sure who our enemy is. Then, fight only after Congress has declared war, and fight to win.

A ma from my school of thought. I wish we would do some war declaring. Keep politics and the media out of our buiseness.

I wish we would do some war declaring.
So, you want America to go to war?