NationStates Jolt Archive

This has probably been done many times before, but in my months here, I have not seen it posted, so here we go:

There are 27 UN categories for this game (see them at http://alces.sel.uaf.edu/gregg/ns/nsmap.html). Some of their characteristics can, naturally, be matched up to actual nations that have existed at one point or another. Many of them I cannot think of a match for; perhaps you will help me in this. Keep in mind that you aren't limited to present-day nations/empires/etc. Let's begin.

Anarchy: Would Somalia qualify? I don't think they have much of a government now... just tribal rule... (???)

Capitalizt: 19th century Europe, Britain, and U.S.

Benevolent Dictatorship:

Civil Rights Lovefest: Switzerland (Roach-Busters, Conceptualists)

Left-Leaning College State: Canada (Roach-Busters, Conceptualists)

Libertarian Police State:

Left-wing Utopia: The Netherlands (Roach-Busters)

Scandinavian Liberal Paradise: Hmm, I wonder? Some countries in Scandinavia, maybe? (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland)

Iron Fist Socialists: Early revolutionary Russia (Conceptualists)

Corporate Bordello:

Capitalist Paradise: United States of America (this will probably be contested)

Compulsory Consumerist State:

New York Times Democracy:

Inoffensive Centrist Democracy:

Father Knows Best State: For some odd reason, this makes me think of Castro's Cuba

Liberal Democratic Socialists:

Democratic Socialists: Various countries in Western Europe: France, Germany... etc.

Corrupt Dictatorship: Soviet Russia (not under Stalin), the other Warsaw Pact countries...

Free Market Paradise:

Right-wing Utopia:

Corporate Police State: Pinochet's Chile, maybe?

Conservative Democracy:

Moralistic Democracy:

Iron Fist Consumerists:

Tyranny by Majority:

Authoritarian Democracy:

Psychotic Dictatorship: Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, Hitler's Germany, Pol Pot's Cambodia, and waaaaay too many others...

Cuba is a Psychotic Dictatorship :)

I think USSR would qualify as a Libertarian Police State, I don't know why it comes to mind.

Wouldn't Bush's America be a right-wing utopia? :confused:

Wouldn't Bush's America be a right-wing utopia? :confused:

Not with all the nude beaches in Florida :D

Not with all the nude beaches in Florida :D
Seems like Jeb Bush is slacking off....

I think USSR would qualify as a Libertarian Police State, I don't know why it comes to mind.

I didn't think they had that many civil rights. Also, they had no private sector, unlike an LPS.

I'll get back to this tomorrow...

Seems like Jeb Bush is j***ing off....

There ya go :)

There ya go :)
:D

NO FLAMING!!!

Pinochet's Chile would probably be a Father Knows Best State or a Right-Wing Utopia.

Franco's Spain would probably be a Benevolent Dictatorship (he did permit many personal freedoms, after all).

Canada would probably be a Left-Leaning College State.

U.S.A. would probably be Democratic Socialists. (Yes, we're socialist; business regulations, Social Security, income tax, Federal Reserve, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Department of Education, etc.)

Switzerland would be a Civil Rights Lovefest.

Russia would be a Corporate Police State.

Cuba would be Iron-Fist Socialists.

USSR, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, China, Zimbabwe, Iraq (under Saddam), the Union (under Lincoln), the Third Reich, fascist Italy, Japan under Tojo, Iran, Sudan, etc. would be Psychotic Dictatorships.

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland would (obviously) be Scandinavian Liberal Paradises.

Holland would probably be a Left-Wing Utopia.

Many Third World countries would be Corrupt Dictatorships.

the palestinian authority, at the moment, is an anarchy.
But who knows what tomorrow might bring...?

I still think Cuba is a Psychotic Dictatorship...

Good posts, those of you who weren't engaging in thread hijacking *cough Colodia! cough*

I will edit the original when I have more time.

Oh, and BUMP

THe US would be an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy on the border of Capitalist Paradise.

THe US would be an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy on the border of Capitalist Paradise.

Except that the US isn't inoffensive or centrist, and even the democracy part is debatable.

Anarchy: Would Somalia qualify? I don't think they have much of a government now... just tribal rule... (???)

I think it probably would, as would Europe after the fall of Rome probably.

Capitalizt: 19th century Europe, Britain, and U.S.

I wouldn't say that, they were definately laissez faire Capitalist, but isn't Capitalizm when corporation are far more powerful then the state?

Benevolent Dictatorship:

Franco's Spain (IMO) wouldn't qualify. The only thing I can think of are Robert Owen's "Model Societies"

Civil Rights Lovefest: Jamaica, maybe? "Civil Rights Lovefest" has always made me think of that country for some reason...

Maybe not. Possibly Switzerland, but I do not know enough about it.

Left-Leaning College State:

Maybe Canada, and possibly Britain under the post war consensus.

Libertarian Police State:

:confused:

Iron Fist Socialists: ??? (No existing Communist nations have been "Libertarian" on civil rights, IMO. See Corrupt Dictatorship)

Early revolutionary Russia?

U.S.A. would probably be Democratic Socialists. (Yes, we're socialist; business regulations, Social Security, income tax, Federal Reserve, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Department of Education, etc.)

idk about that. after all, just because we have those doesn't mean we're socialist. if we had significantly higher taxes and you didn't pay medical bills and all schools were all-expenses paid, like lunch money and stuff, we'd be Democratic Socialists. but we're close.

All right, I have edited for the first time; won't be the last.

I understand that not all of the categories have been represented by actual nations. Some, such as Libertarian Police State, are not possible in a RL setting, IMO. Still, finding matches to the majority of them ought to be possible.

Roach-Busters, I don't agree that the USA is Democratic Socialist. We don't have enough benefits to qualify, and we have far fewer restrictions on business than our fellow indrustrialized nations.

Conceptualists, I wasn't going by the definition of Capitalizm by Max Barry's book (which I have never even read, unfortunately). I was going by the Political Map. Back then, people had a lot more civil rights as far as drugs are concerned (libertarian), and the economy was basically unregulated (libertarian), while most but not all people could vote (centrist).

To all who disagreed with me: Thank you very much for doing it intelligently, courteously, and without flaming. I respect you for that.

BU]You're welcome[MP

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Bump, because I want attention ; )

What I think...

Anarchy: Afghan countryside, Somalia, etc...

Capitalizt: Eh. A lot of Western Europe I guess, maybe a bit like the modern USA.

Benevolent Dictatorship: Is there such a thing? ;)

Civil Rights Lovefest: I'd put the Netherlands in here.

Left-Leaning College State: Uhh...not sure.

Libertarian Police State: Singapore, possibly. Or South Korea under Park Chung-Hee.

Left-wing Utopia: None currently exist or have ever existed.

Scandinavian Liberal Paradise: Obviously the scandinavian countries...

Iron Fist Socialists: USSR, Peoples Republic of China, Cuba, Vietnam...

Corporate Bordello: Could subjectively be applied to the USA.

Capitalist Paradise: Uhh, maybe certain tax havens.

Compulsory Consumerist State: Uhh. Not sure.

New York Times Democracy: 1920's USA and UK.

Inoffensive Centrist Democracy: Switzerland :)

Father Knows Best State: USSR under Lenin

Liberal Democratic Socialists: Australia under Gough Whitlam, Canada under Trudeau...some nations in modern Western Europe.

Democratic Socialists: France. (?)

Corrupt Dictatorship: Pretty much anything in Africa.

Free Market Paradise: Monaco, other tax havens.

Right-wing Utopia: Theres no such thing as a right-wing "utopia" :p

Corporate Police State: Could be applied to some fascist states.

Conservative Democracy: Thatcher's Britain and Reagans USA, Japan.

Moralistic Democracy: Eh, as above.

Iron Fist Consumerists: A form of fascism?

Tyranny by Majority: A populist dictatorship....perhaps Nazi Germany.

Authoritarian Democracy: Again, could be applied to Singapore. Perhaps Taiwan as well.

Psychotic Dictatorship: Could be applied to countless regimes. North Korea pops into mind.

What I think...

Anarchy: Afghan countryside, Somalia, etc...

I agree.

Capitalizt: Eh. A lot of Western Europe I guess, maybe a bit like the modern USA.

Modern USA doesn't have near the civil rights to qualify for this, IMO, which is why I said it was a Capitalist Paradise (which is centrist on CR's).

Benevolent Dictatorship: Is there such a thing? ;)

I would say no.

Civil Rights Lovefest: I'd put the Netherlands in here.

I think the economy is more regulated than that in the Netherlands, but I would guess you know more about that than I...

Left-Leaning College State: Uhh...not sure.

Others said Canada, and I'd be inclined to agree, after spending a few days there and learning a bit about its politics.

Libertarian Police State: Singapore, possibly. Or South Korea under Park Chung-Hee.

I'll take your word for this. I know little about these...

Left-wing Utopia: None currently exist or have ever existed.

Others mentioned the Netherlands...

Iron Fist Socialists: USSR, Peoples Republic of China, Cuba, Vietnam...

I don't think any of these had/have enough civil rights to qualify (one-child families, anyone?). I would call them Corrupt Dictatorships...

New York Times Democracy: 1920's USA and UK.

Aside from Prohibition, I'd call 1920's USA Capitalizt... don't know what Britain was like at the time...

Still, I can't think of anything else that would qualify.

Father Knows Best State: USSR under Lenin

Probably true...

Liberal Democratic Socialists: Australia under Gough Whitlam, Canada under Trudeau...some nations in modern Western Europe.

Again, I'll take your word for it.

Corrupt Dictatorship: Pretty much anything in Africa.

???

Like what, exactly?

Free Market Paradise: Monaco, other tax havens.

What exactly do you mean by "tax haven"? Not a term I'm familiar with...

Right-wing Utopia: Theres no such thing as a right-wing "utopia" :p

I like you and all, but I would appreciate it if you didn't bring personal bias into my thread. Make your own and do that.

Corporate Police State: Could be applied to some fascist states.

Yes, but I think more of Iron-Fist Consumerists (which you also singled out) as being fascist/Nazist.

Conservative Democracy: Thatcher's Britain and Reagans USA, Japan.

Moralistic Democracy: Eh, as above.

Indeed.

Iron Fist Consumerists: A form of fascism?

I would say so...

Tyranny by Majority: A populist dictatorship....perhaps Nazi Germany.

Good point! I hadn't thought about it that way!

Authoritarian Democracy: Again, could be applied to Singapore. Perhaps Taiwan as well.

Again, I don't know, but I'll bet you do, coming from Australia and all.

Psychotic Dictatorship: Could be applied to countless regimes. North Korea pops into mind.

"Countless" is the key word >: (

I think the economy is more regulated than that in the Netherlands
Maybe. That's why I ruled out them as a Left Wing Utopia, they have a quite capitalist economy.

Others said Canada, and I'd be inclined to agree, after spending a few days there and learning a bit about its politics.
Maybe. I don't know a whole lot about Canada on a political or social level. Economically though, I believe they aren't left oriented, and are at most centrist.

I don't think any of these had/have enough civil rights to qualify (one-child families, anyone?). I would call them Corrupt Dictatorships...
Hmm. Well as a literal description, Iron Fist Socialist seems to match these regimes well (Modern China may be more iron fist consumerist). Its only the civil rights in the NS orientation that don't match up.

???

Like what, exactly?
Well, a lot of african nations have had problems with leaders declaring themselves president for life and proceeding to build all number of opulent palaces. I think that sums up Corrupt Dictatorship pretty well.

What exactly do you mean by "tax haven"? Not a term I'm familiar with...

As in a place where businessmen send their funds overseas so that they are exempt from tax...carribean islands for example. Monaco itself though, has a 0% tax rate I believe.

I like you and all, but I would appreciate it if you didn't bring personal bias into my thread. Make your own and do that.
OK. I put the :p smiley in to show I was only joking (well...) and not looking for a serious argument anyway.

Again, I don't know, but I'll bet you do, coming from Australia and all.

A bit of a blunder, btw, I singled Singapore out as both "Libertarian Police State" and "Authoritarian Democracy". That can't work :p

Singapore is basically a capitalist nation, where the police are armed with M-16s, the death penalty is common, and canings are an acceptable punishment for such heinous crimes as chewing gum (applicable to tourists, also). And I believe the same party has been in power almost constantly, because opposition members tend to be arrested quite often. (By what I have read and heard from others with personal experiences, never been there myself) I think "Authoritarian Democracy" is probably closer.

'Left-Wing Utopia,' 'Right-Wing Utopia,' 'Benevolent Dictatorship' and 'Anarchy' [the positive kind of anarchy, not 'break down of society' anarchy] are all 'perfect' forms of government and therefore have no real-life doubles.

UK is an inoffensive centrist democracy.

Chavez's Venezula - either corrupt or pyschotic
Bush's USA - righ-wing utopia
Canada - civil rights lovefest (we do have a lot of rights)

Bush's USA - righ-wing utopia

Um, hardly. America has numerous social programs and minimum wages that prevent it being a 'right-wing utopia.' Also, utopias are impossible.

UK is an inoffensive centrist democracy.

Certainly not under Thatcher it wasn't.

I personally see the modern UK as too economically conservative to be called centrist.