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Or get more creative. Offer a six-pack to anyone in the office who votes (make sure you're not working in cubicles full of Republicans!). Promise to have sex with a nonvoter - whatever it takes!
http://www.michaelmoore.com/takeaction/vote/pledge.php

So, this is the man who the democrats gave special treatment and a Luxury Box at the DNC? This is the man on who's ideas are the backbone of the Democratic Party line? Do you really trust this guy, and everything he says in Farenheit 9/11?

Can you not understand basic humour?

Hmm, Moore advocates screwing one person to get them to vote.

Bush has been screwing the entire world for the past four years.

Who's the bigger manwhore?

Can you not understand basic humour?
So, maybe then Michael Moore is joking about the things in Farenheit 9/11? Or is the democratic party following the ideology of a joker?

Somehow I think stating that the West should Christianise the Middle East is a bit worse then a joke about having sex with a non voter.

So, maybe then Michael Moore is joking about the things in Farenheit 9/11? Or is the democratic party following the ideology of a joker?
I suppose this kind of logic explains why Saddam had no WMDs all along. HE WAS JOKING!

So glad I get it now.

Oh who cares any-more, the democratic process becomes just another American psycho-drama episode, and my country suffers further broad-casts of " American Idol ". The humanity, oh the humanity of it all !

:rolleyes:

* Just another jaded non-american wishing they'd can reality T.V. ;)

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/index.php?id=16

Look at the evidence, then judge him.

So, maybe then Michael Moore is joking about the things in Farenheit 9/11? Or is the democratic party following the ideology of a joker?
Are you being deliberately obtuse? I think you will find that every single documentary ever made was made by people who from time to time tell jokes, however I doubt they were all joking about everything ever presented in their documentaries.
Whilst Moore's presentation is somewhat manipulative, and has a strong 'editorial' flavour, the fact is he made the production you speak of in the genre format of a documentary, and even though I understand his style is to present information with an emotive attachment (such as humour), there is nothing that suggests the material and conclusions posited by him in the production are merely his idea of 'pulling our leg'.
As for the presupposition that all the Democratic party are 'as one ' following 'Moore's ideology', I doubt that anything so simplistic is occuring.

Somehow I think stating that the West should Christianise the Middle East is a bit worse then a joke about having sex with a non voter.

Ann Coulter, or do we have another advocating the mass murder and/or conversion of the Middle East?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/takeaction/vote/pledge.php

So, this is the man who the democrats gave special treatment and a Luxury Box at the DNC? This is the man on who's ideas are the backbone of the Democratic Party line? Do you really trust this guy, and everything he says in Farenheit 9/11?
Actually, "the Democrats" didn't give Moore a luxury box or any special treatment. Jimmy Carter invited Moore up to his luxury box, and I certainly think that a former President and Nobel Laureate warrants a luxury box.

And to say Moore's ideas are the backbone of the Democratic party line is bullshit, plain and simple. Moore himself says he thinks the Democratic party is too conservative for him, and that it needs to get back to its liberal roots.

Do I trust him? Sure--because I didn't really learn anything new from F9/11, other than Karzai's connection to UNOCAL. His facts all check out. His interpretation of those facts and the resultant narrative can be argued, but his facts are correct. So yes--I trust him, unlike the people in Swift Boat Veterans for Bush.

Dhomme, Moores war room is pitiful. http://davekopel.com/terror/fiftysix-deceits-in-fahrenheit-911.htm There you will find a deluge of attacks to which Moore has no real answer. *Notice* Kopel is hardly biased given he is a Naderite just like Moore (supposedly is) even though he is registered a democrat.
Kopel uses major newspapers and magazines such as Newsweek, the New York Times, the New Yorker. And this is just for 9/11 the deceits of Bowling for Columbine are well known by now. Ted Koppel, Peter Jennings and Brokaw all saw it and said it was "partially truthful." And ill give it that but it is really just a collage of creative editing schemes designed to infuriate Americans.

I think Bush has done more than enough to infuriate Americans without the help of distortions and lies but not for Moore. In some parts of the movie Moore either has no idea of even what basic models of government do or is outright deceitful. (Such as his belief the Secret Service not guarding embassies, when in reality they have for decades.)

In my opnion Micheal Moore is just like many of pundits on the other side such as Coulter, Limbaugh and Hannity. Except he won't even debate with them on television dismissing them as morons. Beyond that he is against free speech suing anyone who releases anything against his movies as "libel." Such as Reagan Media's "Micheal Moore *is a* Big Fat Stupid White Man".

Capitallo--if you look at Kopel's work honestly, you'll realize that Moore's alleged deceits are differences of opinion and differences in interpretation of factual evidence. In other words, Kopel is trying to cast his difference of opinion with Moore as though Moore has deliberately lied, and that's intellectually dishonest.

So, maybe then Michael Moore is joking about the things in Farenheit 9/11? Or is the democratic party following the ideology of a joker?

Since when has Michael Moore been a Democratic Party Leader?

It's called satire. You may want to look the term up.

Look at it closer and you will see rampant deceits. Although I will say sometimes it is difference of opinion. The fact is that Kopel is not just using his words he cites major media outlets saying the same thing.

Whether or not the Secret Service guards embassies is not a diff. in opinion it is a question of fact. It does. Period. And that is what you will find all the way throughout.

I also like how scummy Moore is. The citations from his website about how Republicans deserve to die for electing president Bush (which was promptly taken down after one day.) And how the terrorists killing their own people and colaition forces are new patriots.

Also look at the Election of 2000 information all the way through. Its plain and simple either he has no ability of reading factual evidence on the election or he is flat out lying.
Then again it is all the way throughout. There are minor parts of Kopels piece that could be considered maybe "mistakes" of Moore or simply diff. in int. but I would say its maybe 5 of the whole thing.

Just for anyone who's interested, I saw John Kerry and Teresa Heinz-Kerry on Larry King Live a few weeks ago. Both said when asked that they did not want to see Farenheit 9/11 until after the election. They didn't go into why, but I guess they didn't want it to bias their campaign. So if nothing else, I can tell you that Michael Moore may be influencing the Democratic Party, but he is definitely not putting any words in John Kerry's ear. :)

Just for anyone who's interested, I saw John Kerry and Teresa Heinz-Kerry on Larry King Live a few weeks ago. Both said when asked that they did not want to see Farenheit 9/11 until after the election. They didn't go into why, but I guess they didn't want it to bias their campaign. So if nothing else, I can tell you that Michael Moore may be influencing the Democratic Party, but he is definitely not putting any words in John Kerry's ear. :)

Ya I agree. To associate democrats with Moore is ludicrous just because he is at their convention. He will also be at the Republican convention (he must be in cohouts with them too.) I don't think Kerry takes it seriously as most of the media didn't really take it seriously except for Ebert and Roper. It may in the end help Kerry but its hardly from his choosing.

Also look at the Election of 2000 information all the way through. Its plain and simple either he has no ability of reading factual evidence on the election or he is flat out lying.
Then again it is all the way throughout. There are minor parts of Kopels piece that could be considered maybe "mistakes" of Moore or simply diff. in int. but I would say its maybe 5 of the whole thing.
Moore's stuff on the Florida 2000 election is absolutely accurate, and it's been proven accurate time and time again. If you're going to seriously argue that he's mistaken--that there weren't serious irregularities in the Florida 2000 election--then you're delusional.

Actually, Moore's position may be less about partisan politics and more about people just participating in the damn process.

A stunt he pulled in the 2000 election spoke more about the election and campaign process itself than it did about any partisan issue -- there were a handful of congressional races where the incumbent was unopposed, and Moore registered a potted ficus plant as their opponent as a sort of protest move (as in, "even a plant as an opponent is better than no opposition at all"). And, he ran ficus plants against both Republican AND Democratic incumbents.

Moore has definitely changed his tune since 2000, when he was a Nader supporter. Now his attitude is more along the lines of "anyone is better than Bush, and even though Kerry's not liberal enough for me, he'll do for now." Which is pretty much how I feel.

You obviously havent read the attacks on 9/11. Florida's voting system was erroneous I never said it was however Moore says that Gore wouldve won all recounts. Which is a blatent lie in fact three diff. sources say he wouldn't have even won 20% of them. And since Bush had already won three that is ridiculous without the sources.
He also claims fox was to blame for people not voting this misinformation has been around for a long time. In fact the other stations affected Bush turnout by giving the final numbers before the polls even closed. Fox later went with their count after the polls had closed in Florida.

Look im not going to list them all take Dhomme's advice and actually study this if you bash my side of the flow.

Hmm, Moore advocates screwing one person to get them to vote.

Bush has been screwing the entire world for the past four years.

Who's the bigger manwhore?
Now...literally or figuratively?

Moore has definitely changed his tune since 2000, when he was a Nader supporter. Now his attitude is more along the lines of "anyone is better than Bush, and even though Kerry's not liberal enough for me, he'll do for now." Which is pretty much how I feel.

Even though he has been a registered democrat for the last decade? Look im fine with voting Kerry but he claimed he was independant on television. If you are registered to one party you are not an independant. Register independant if you are independant.

You obviously havent read the attacks on 9/11. Florida's voting system was erroneous I never said it was however Moore says that Gore wouldve won all recounts. Which is a blatent lie in fact three diff. sources say he wouldn't have even won 20% of them. And since Bush had already won three that is ridiculous without the sources.
He also claims fox was to blame for people not voting this misinformation has been around for a long time. In fact the other stations affected Bush turnout by giving the final numbers before the polls even closed. Fox later went with their count after the polls had closed in Florida.

Look im not going to list them all take Dhomme's advice and actually study this if you bash my side of the flow.I've studied this in far greater detail than you can possibly know. Read the reporting by Greg Palast and Joe Conason on the pre-election voter purges. Read the reporting about the recounts in full and you'll see that Gore would have won under more scenarios than Bush would have, had a statewide count been done instead of the selective count. Read the actual argument made by Bush's lawyers in Bush v. Gore before the SCOTUS, where he had to argue that he would suffer irreparable damage if the recount was allowef to happen. Read the actual decision and look at the way they hemmed and hawed and then copped out by saying that this decision could never be used as precedent because they knew they were overstepping their bounds and installing a President. Let me tell you--you have no idea how much time and agony and skull sweat I've put into this issue. No idea.

So, maybe then Michael Moore is joking about the things in Farenheit 9/11? Or is the democratic party following the ideology of a joker?
Okay, first, I'm not familiar with any of the material of Michael Moore, and don't know his political stance all that well.

That said, this is a very weak argument. I like to crack jokes left, right, and center on these forums.

...but you'll notice that I'm still trusted with Moderator powers.

Just because someone makes jokes some of the time does not mean that they're joking all of the time or that they can never be taken seriously.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

So, maybe then Michael Moore is joking about the things in Farenheit 9/11? Or is the democratic party following the ideology of a joker?
god forbid SOME ONE have a sense of humor

Hey, if some hot girl has sex with me, I know I'LL vote!

(is already voting, but we don't have to make that public :D)

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This (the thread's premise) is a definite candidate for the Stretch Armstrong Award. Way to reach!

What better incentive for anything than the prospect of sex with a 600lb unkempt sack of shit like Mike Moore? :rolleyes:

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This (the thread's premise) is a definite candidate for the Stretch Armstrong Award. Way to reach!
That is just beautiful.

What better incentive for anything than the prospect of sex with a 600lb unkempt sack of shit like Mike Moore? :rolleyes:

You DO realize that he was telling other, most likily more attractive looking people to make with the sexx0rs, yes?

And you ALSO realize it was a joke, yes?