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Who will cause World War 3?

I voted USA, but if I was a US citizen I'd have voted for the Middle East, because afterall it does take two to tango.

Well I voted for Germany just for the heck of it, since Germany always found great ways to get itself utterly screwed in the last 2 world wars.
Seriously, I think the 3 world war would be caused by USA, and the Mid-East.

The US. Of course.

The war has already started. The middle east, by funding Al Quaeda, and spreading the ideology that fuels violent islamic radicalism is responsible for starting it. The war on terror will expand in the coming decades and will be fought on every continent.

The US. Of course.
Yeah, we plan to bomb your home next week.

I voted USA, but if I was a US citizen I'd have voted for the Middle East, because afterall it does take two to tango.
Yeah, we did start it. After all, we should never have flown planes into their skyscrapers, Wait a minute....

The war has already started. The middle east, by funding Al Quaeda, and spreading the ideology that fuels violent islamic radicalism is responsible for starting it. The war on terror will expand in the coming decades and will be fought on every continent.

Don't generalize the Mid-East, please...
Some of us aren't all that harmful.

The war has already started. The middle east, by funding Al Quaeda, and spreading the ideology that fuels violent islamic radicalism is responsible for starting it. The war on terror will expand in the coming decades and will be fought on every continent.

True...and with the US as a willing accomplice....Saudi Arabia...home of the Whahhbists...

why the hell is germany on there, shouldn't it be North Korea or Iran

IF YOU WANT ANY OTHER, JUST VOTE OTHER AND SPECIFY WHAT YOU MEAN!

:headbang:

the answer if obvious: USA of cause.

There cannot be another world war on the same scale we have previously seen. Two developed nations will now be too afraid of each other to fire first. The only wars we can have anymore are rich nations blowing poor nations to pieces and then facing a tedious, drawn out guerrilla [sic?] conflict

I'm afraid WW3 started on 9/11/2001 ... it's the war on terror.

Please stop these nonsense hypothetical threads...

Please stop these nonsense hypothetical threads...
If you dont like them then dont look at them

If Bush stays in office much longer, he will start WW3. After all, he's restarting the draft, and will need something in order to occupy those forces.

I'm afraid WW3 started on 9/11/2001 ... it's the war on terror.

Then WW3 is over, as the US surrendered the war on terror for a war in Iraq instead.

Again i say, 'how the fuck is it possible for GERMANY to start WW3???'

Get a life their military died after WW2...

Again i say, 'how the fuck is it possible for GERMANY to start WW3???'

Get a life their military died after WW2...

Yeah, have you seen their army? They are no longer allowed to cut their soldiers hair against their wishes, but instead force soldiers with long hair to wear hair nets... Hair Nets!!! The Germans would also have to get over their huge guilt trip and stop being a meek and subservient to France.

Then WW3 is over, as the US surrendered the war on terror for a war in Iraq instead.

WRONG! Iraq is still to be subdued with Afghanistan still having issues with the Taliban. Then Iran, Syria, and North Korea? Sudan under extremist control persecuting Africans ... the world is far from safe.

Al Quaida is still to be destroyed and it's offshoots.

Again i say, 'how the fuck is it possible for GERMANY to start WW3???'.
And how is it possible for the Middle East to start a war. That is the same as saying Europe started wars. Europe isn´t a country (and in the past it was home to five big rivaling powers (before world war I: Britain, France, Germany, Austria-Hungarian Empire, Russia (well and at the sout-east flank the Ottoman Empire (Turkey)).
The Middle East isnt´t one country either. Iraq (when it was ruled by the Sunni minority) was an arch-enemy of Iran. Shiite Iran and wahabi Saudi-Arabia are rivals (Saudi-Arabia was a main supporter of Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war). So, how the hell it should be possible for the middle east to start a war against other regions in the world if it so divided in itself. If it was different than it might be possible. But it isn´t. The Middle East is not capable to do that. They can do a bit of terrorism (which is bad but can`t be compared with World War I (10 million dead) or II (52 million dead (37 million in Europe).
If there is going to be a World War III - which I hope doesn´t happen - it is clearly going to be between China and the US. I mean seriously: Who else?

Yeah, have you seen their army? They are no longer allowed to cut their soldiers hair against their wishes, but instead force soldiers with long hair to wear hair nets... Hair Nets!!! The Germans would also have to get over their huge guilt trip and stop being a meek and subservient to France.
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Counter-question: When do you stop to be subservient to the US? And when do you realize that the chanel is less wide than the atlantic?

Yeah, have you seen their army? They are no longer allowed to cut their soldiers hair against their wishes, but instead force soldiers with long hair to wear hair nets... Hair Nets!!! yes yes the state of the army is emberassing.
BUT! *our* foreign politic isnt controlled by our former colony, and if this isnt emberassing, what is?!?
The Germans would also have to get over their huge guilt trip you have no idea how much this is true.
and stop being a meek and subservient to France.
your sure France isnt a "meek and subservient" to germany? ;)

Don't generalize the Mid-East, please...
Some of us aren't all that harmful.
Sorry, but the poll listed the Middle East as an option. If I had to pick individual nations, I guess Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Syria

Here's a brief WW3 scenario....

In the near future, as the United States and Russia slash their military budgets and Russia erupts with internal problems, China continues to grow stronger and eventually decides to 'reclaim traditional Chinese territories'. When they attack south-east Asia, the US sends the Seventh Fleet, the main Asian force, off of Taiwan to help protect the island and warns the Chinese to pull out. In response, the Chinese attack and sink the American carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, claiming it was in Chinese waters. The outrage over this unprovoked attack causes the President to ask Congress for a declaration of war, which is soon followed by most of the United Nations. World War Three is now at hand.

The war has already started. The middle east, by funding Al Quaeda, and spreading the ideology that fuels violent islamic radicalism is responsible for starting it. The war on terror will expand in the coming decades and will be fought on every continent.
Agreed--except "war on terror" is code for "holy war".

I think WWIII will be started by the Manx.

It's always the quiet ones...

Agreed--except "war on terror" is code for "holy war".
Not on my end. My enemy is religiously motivated. I just want to be safe from falling buildings.

I reckon World War III will be fought in the middle east. Any of you people heard of John Titor?

I reckon World War III will be fought in the middle east. Any of you people heard of John Titor?

That's the space-case that claims to have come back in time from the year 2036 in a time-travelling Delorian to find unix-code to fix the Internet and spent a couple of months saying how he wasn't going to make any predictions while making predictions, right?

Yeah, he's a tool.

BUT! *our* foreign politic isnt controlled by our former colony, and if this isnt emberassing, what is?!?

Very true. To Blair, we are either a state of the USA or the EU, he just can't make up his mind. If I had my way we would be neither.

you have no idea how much this [WW2-guilt] is true.

My dad's brother married a German woman and now lives is Osnabrook [sp?] with three kids - my cousins. We've spoken about WW2, and they apologised to me about it... how crazy? The oldest of them is only 20. It was nothing to do with them.

your sure France isnt a "meek and subservient" to germany?

As far as I can tell, it is Schroder backing up Chirac on everything. Plus they still own Strasbourg (is or at least was largely German), so they have got you by the balls.

Here's a brief WW3 scenario....

In the near future, as the United States and Russia slash their military budgets and Russia erupts with internal problems, China continues to grow stronger and eventually decides to 'reclaim traditional Chinese territories'. When they attack south-east Asia, the US sends the Seventh Fleet, the main Asian force, off of Taiwan to help protect the island and warns the Chinese to pull out. In response, the Chinese attack and sink the American carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, claiming it was in Chinese waters. The outrage over this unprovoked attack causes the President to ask Congress for a declaration of war, which is soon followed by most of the United Nations. World War Three is now at hand.

Someone's been playing "People's General" a lot. (Thats exactly what is in the starting video for that game, including the fact it was the ole CVN-72 Abraham Lincoin) being destroyed.

JiangGuo

Yea, pretty much, except it was doc who had the Delorian ;). Apparently him, Nostradamus and The Incans predicted "An attack of great yeild" about 2 weeks from now. 2 weeks from now the Olympics will be well under way yes? And alot of national leaders around yes? I reckon they all could be right...

I voted the US because we want to police the world and there isn't a nation that can stand up to us....... but what's going to happen when we get enough nations mad that they group together and bring it to us on a large scale basis.......... that's going to throw this whole world into chaos because we are stubborn and will fight back to the end.

Personally, I think Israel is going to start the next World War. If they continue to launch attacks into Lebanese territory, due to terrorist camps, they're really gonna start to piss off other nations such as Syria and Egypt. I wouldn't doubt it if Israel launched a full scale invasion of Lebanon in the near future...

Of course the U.S. will have Israel's back, and Russia will have the other sides back, so....yea.

Note: World war three.

If, by some bizzare twist of fate, the middle-east united together and declared war on the rest of the world, the individual nations lack the economic and military infrastructure to provide much of a threat. Sure, if they got nukes, they might cause a few problems, but they could not invade and occupy the USA or Europe. Hence, with them having no chance at this point of time to win, the hypothetical war would never go onto a world scale as WW1 and WW2 did. Anyone believing that the middle east is the most likely, is wrong.

Out of all of the nations/regions on the list, China, Russia and America have the ability to cause a world war, and I believe that currently America is the greatest threat of sparking something.

Yea, pretty much, except it was doc who had the Delorian ;). Apparently him, Nostradamus and The Incans predicted "An attack of great yeild" about 2 weeks from now. 2 weeks from now the Olympics will be well under way yes? And alot of national leaders around yes? I reckon they all could be right...

They haven't been yet. :)

The US will not start the war, but we will UNDOUBTABLY get involved. Really, though; the only war we have ever started was in Iraq. I vote China, because they are only now beginning to exercize their new technocratic power. And a population problem.

They haven't been yet. :)

What haven't been yet?

Yea, pretty much, except it was doc who had the Delorian ;). Apparently him, Nostradamus and The Incans predicted "An attack of great yeild" about 2 weeks from now. 2 weeks from now the Olympics will be well under way yes? And alot of national leaders around yes? I reckon they all could be right...
Yeh i've heard of some bloke called 'sollig' who reckons there will be a terrorist attack at the next full moon which will be '13' days into the Olympics either that or at the close of the Olympics. I haven't decided yet if i think hes craZy

Interesting that a plurality has voted for the USA yet very few have given any sort of reason or even statement beyond "usa of course".

The US will not start the war, but we will UNDOUBTABLY get involved. Really, though; the only war we have ever started was in Iraq. I vote China, because they are only now beginning to exercize their new technocratic power. And a population problem.

You have to remember that Afghanistan offered to extradite Bin-Laden and the US made war anyway.

What haven't been yet?

Nostradamus. (If you write everything in a code only you understand and make sure it's incredibly vauge in the first place, then it's exponentially easier to say, "Told you so," after the fact regardless of what you actually said.)

John Titor. (Besides the question that, if time travel does exist in 2036, why would they send such an utter tool back in the first place, he gives himself his own out by bringing up "timelines" and how nothing is certain.)

The Incans (I wasn't aware they had such a specific prophecy. Again, though, I find it hard to credit a present day prediction from a culture that wasn't able to see it's own demise.)

Prophets in general have a pretty poor track record.

You have to remember that Afghanistan offered to extradite Bin-Laden and the US made war anyway.
No they didn't, we gave Afghanistan an ultimatum with that demand : Stop harboring Al-Qaeda and give up Bin Laden. They failed to accept it.

I can't believe I haven't seen Pakistan listed. It's not that far fetched, think about it:

An Islamic extremist rebellion overthrows the Pakistani government and fires it's nukes at India, despite being warned not to, the US and Israel fire on Pakistan, global nuclear exchange follows...

Also, with Bush developing Reagen's Star Wars defense system, the US government won't be as concerned about loss of life on the homeland.

In voted America because it is the superpower in the world at the moment. China is rising and getting stronger. Its going to challange US power and eventually they might fight a war. This is unlikely as both groups know that a totalm war with nukes is completely self-destructive. More likely it will be another cold war situation with lots of proxy wars being found around the world. The EU, Russia and India will probably be involved some-where along the line if this comnflict kicks off.

The India-Pakistan conflict could also kick off though it wouldnt be WW3 it would just cause hundred of millions of causualties in that part of the world.

The idea that the "War on Terror" is WW3 is laughable to say the least. A couple of fellas in a cave planting bombs and hijacking planes doesnt even come near the forces that would make a world war. At the most that conflict will cost thousands of lifes. Most caused by US bombing the mid east to the stone age.

You have to remember that Afghanistan offered to extradite Bin-Laden and the US made war anyway.
No, they didn't. They never made a serious offer to turn him in. They haggled and stalled to buy time before we attacked.

What I'm saying is that with all whats going on in the middle east now, don't you think that terrorists might target the Olympics? It just seems like a coincidence that all these people predicted an "attack of great yeild" 2 weeks from now, and, as it happens, 2 weeks from now, we will be part way through the Olympics. It fits

What I'm saying is that with all whats going on in the middle east now, don't you think that terrorists might target the Olympics? It just seems like a coincidence that all these people predicted an "attack of great yeild" 2 weeks from now, and, as it happens, 2 weeks from now, we will be part way through the Olympics. It fits

Well, yeah, of course it's possible. However, it'll be quite difficult as there is more security in Athens now than actual athletes.

But hey, anything's possible, I suppose. Just that even if something does happen, I'm still not willing to admit Nostradamus could see the future, John Titor is from the future or the Incans are qualified to make predictions about the future since they didn't have one. :)

The US will not start the war, but we will UNDOUBTABLY get involved. Really, though; the only war we have ever started was in Iraq. I vote China, because they are only now beginning to exercize their new technocratic power. And a population problem.


... Ha! Haha! You CANNOT be serious can you? Tell me your not serious. In all honesty, the united states caused their own entrance into WW2. Anyone ever actually look into the trade embargo on Japan from the United States? Its why Japan actually bothered to attack America in the first place, because we were strangling them. Korea? We had no business going there, nor did we "start" the war, but we sure as hell escalated it. Ditto for Vietnam. What about the air war on Serbia? Or the UN peacekeepers we have around the world that are mainly United States military?

Anywhom, I voted for the United States, because while I want to move to Canada, sitting here and watching our president, and our nation, slowly turn "god bless america" into a psuedo "Heil mein Fuhrer" is scary as hell. That and the United States has the largest military, and a bullying Republican party that is willing to throw it around. So... undoubtably the US in my opinion, but with whom? I'm not so sure about that one, more then likely China.

For those of you who voted that China might go Imperial and start WWIII. Look at the facts.

China isn't going to run out of space for its growing population(which is slowing down due to one-child policies and fear of AIDS), the areas avaliable for immediate development is immense. To get the natural resources they don't have enough of(eg. tin ores, copper ores), they'd just import them. The dependence will just mean they have to get along with producer states like Tanzania.

If you need evidence of this, look at what the Chinese did in the 1979 border war with Vietnam. They could have totally conquered and occupied the whole of the Vietnam if it had come to that. Yet they didn't. They made their point to the Vietnamese, 'Don't Mess With Us, Just Because You Managed to Beat the Americans doesn't mean you're the meanest kid on the block'. Then returned to status quo.

My point is, they ain't gonna go Imperial in our lifetime, even if they managed to develope a economic/military counter-balance with the U.S. It just isn't their policy.

JiangGuo

Well, yeah, of course it's possible. However, it'll be quite difficult as there is more security in Athens now than actual athletes.

But hey, anything's possible, I suppose. Just that even if something does happen, I'm still not willing to admit Nostradamus could see the future, John Titor is from the future or the Incans are qualified to make predictions about the future since they didn't have one. :)

Yup, anything is possible. Out of all the people who are going to spectate, you can't really pick out the one who has 30lb's of explosives strapped to him...

China, definitly. Bush recently tried to put them in their place by conducting "military exercises" near Taiwan. The idiot sent 7 carrier battle groups, consisting of 35 warships and possibly as many as thousand nuclear weapons. China's response was to vow to multiply their anti-ship capibilities by 5x in the next decade.

There cannot be another world war on the same scale we have previously seen. Two developed nations will now be too afraid of each other to fire first. The only wars we can have anymore are rich nations blowing poor nations to pieces and then facing a tedious, drawn out guerrilla [sic?] conflict

I agree.The next war won't really be a "world war," at least not compared to the two previous ones.There will never be another large conventional war again thanks to nukes.It will either be nuclear or an unconventional guerrilla war.Neither the U.S. or China has the forces to win a conventional war against each other and the smaller nations won't fight a pitched battle because they'd be crushed.

I think my counrty will. That will be The United States of America! Bush is more of a corperate dictater than a president. If he see's a way to make money off of invading a country he will. We did our job by removing Saddom from Iraq, now we need to get the hell out.

I believe that this will be China's century towards the end of the 2000's, and when countries such as China become strong enough then we in the west might well feel threatened - as we would sharing a world with a united Middle East.

I like what someone said near the begining - it takes 2 to tango! Wars have started over the most crazy situations in the past when we had less destructive capability.

The stakes are so high these days that a world war could soon spiral out of control (as world wars tend to do :rolleyes: ). The west would probably use more mechanised weapons to limit losses, but that might encourage another side to limit its losses through WMD.

Mind you, within 40 years of the begining of the last century technology and war had totally changed - so perhaps we have no idea what a future world war could bring. It could be all those Terminators and Governors of California with time machines which take us on - Sarah Connor we need u!! :p

Define "cause".

Probably Arab-Israeli conflict will blow into the third world war.

Someone's been playing "People's General" a lot. (Thats exactly what is in the starting video for that game, including the fact it was the ole CVN-72 Abraham Lincoin) being destroyed.

JiangGuo

It's one of my favorite Strategy Games :D
If you have it, contact me on my MSN and then we can play it Online

It's one of my favorite Strategy Games :D
If you have it, contact me on my MSN and then we can play it Online

Heh, cool game. My favourite out of all the SSI "general" games. :D

I would say China attacks Russia for oil then America trying to stop the Chinese from getting the oil would send its army to Russia, then the Middle East funding more suicide bombers to attack Americans so America will sends the rest of its Army to the Middle East, then India invades Kasmir so Pakistan nukes them, so India nukes them back, so when Chinas millions and millions beat down the America and Russia defenders Russia launches its nuke then China, so since the Chinese nuked Americans, America launches some nukes into China, then the British say the French did something so they attack them so France surrenders, then China with its old Soviet missle subs go to the coast of America launching its missles into the major cities in California, so America launches hundreds of nukes into China, so now that China is dead Iran decides to invade America , so since America is under major attack, Eygpt, Syria, Lebanon, and some of the Arabs places decide America can't help Isreal so they attack, then Isreal counterstrikes doing exactly what they did in the 6 day war but taking most of all the countries that attacked them, so then America nukes Iran. After that most of the world will not be alive.

This is the true story:

http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/world.htm

Nostradamus. (If you write everything in a code only you understand and make sure it's incredibly vauge in the first place, then it's exponentially easier to say, "Told you so," after the fact regardless of what you actually said.)

John Titor. (Besides the question that, if time travel does exist in 2036, why would they send such an utter tool back in the first place, he gives himself his own out by bringing up "timelines" and how nothing is certain.)

The Incans (I wasn't aware they had such a specific prophecy. Again, though, I find it hard to credit a present day prediction from a culture that wasn't able to see it's own demise.)

Prophets in general have a pretty poor track record.

Prophets in the bible have been very accurate, but these ones that you speak of more likely aren't.

Prophets in the bible have been very accurate, but these ones that you speak of more likely aren't.
No, prophets in the bible have not been accurate. They spoke in metaphors that were later interpreted to fit events AFTER THE EVENTS HAPPENED. Accurate predictions require SPECIFIC information about who what and when. Vague predictions that don't name names, describe specific events, and state when those events will occur are worthless. Wait a while and random chance will bring about something that fits the vague prediction well enough.

No, prophets in the bible have not been accurate. They spoke in metaphors that were later interpreted to fit events AFTER THE EVENTS HAPPENED. Accurate predictions require SPECIFIC information about who what and when. Vague predictions that don't name names, describe specific events, and state when those events will occur are worthless. Wait a while and random chance will bring about something that fits the vague prediction well enough.
So they are accurate but since you don't like them you say they aren't?
If they work then they are accurate, geez listen to yourself. That is how you know they are prophets because they are accurate.
Whether or not you disagree that its vague it works.

So they are accurate but since you don't like them you say they aren't?
If they work then they are accurate, geez listen to yourself. That is how you know they are prophets because they are accurate.
Whether or not you disagree that its vague it works.
Read what I said. They are not accurate because they don't give specific information. They seem accurate because they could be fulfilled by any number of occurances at any given time. That's like saying I'm a prophet if I say "A great war will be fought in the land of the two holy places.". If at any time in the future a war is fought in Saudi Arabia, Jerusalem, Utah, or anyplace that has two holy sites, I'm right.

erm....it's going to be anyone BUT USA.

And one of the answers should be "Colodia"

heheh

I picked the US cuz they problay will be a magor factor in causing the next ww. ether by fighting with the middle east or try to full fill the (can't remeber what it was called the it's that old american belief that they have the god given right to rule all of north america.

all though I think that the brits could try to rebliuld there empire or germany could try to gain a warm water port again. or russia try to rebliuld to it's former size and strength.

China invades Taiwan, the US gets involved, ending up escalating the whole thing. You then end up with two major alliances of unlikely nations (I mean, before the first world war who would have thought Britain and France would become long term allies). This ends up in a long term stalemate, then eventually one side gets the upper hand resulting in the other side resorting to nuclear weapons.

China invades Taiwan, the US gets involved, ending up escalating the whole thing. You then end up with two major alliances of unlikely nations (I mean, before the first world war who would have thought Britain and France would become long term allies). This ends up in a long term stalemate, then eventually one side gets the upper hand resulting in the other side resorting to nuclear weapons.
What's the unlikely alliance? US and Taiwan have good relations already.

US and Vietnam?
China and Mexico?

There are a countless amount of combinations

It's a hard call... three time's the charm, so Germany... But, from a more logical perspective, I'd say the USA.

Who will cause World War 3?

Switzerland!!!

(Just kidding :p)

Very true. To Blair, we are either a state of the USA or the EU, he just can't make up his mind. If I had my way we would be neither. fair enough. but id like to see Britain with the EU.

My dad's brother married a German woman and now lives is Osnabrook [sp?] with three kids - my cousins. We've spoken about WW2, and they apologised to me about it... how crazy? The oldest of them is only 20. It was nothing to do with them. thats a typical reaction, sadly.
in the politic this guilty complex takes even more ridiculous highs. there is hardly a month were no holocaust memorial isnt build, we are still paying reparations to israel (300Mil) and our leaders support it!lol). there is hardly a state visit were our "eternal guild" isnt mentioned, and people who critism of everything "guilt" related are rewarded with party exclusion in every party. its disgusting really.
you know, im 26 and i dont feel guilty about anything that happened during ww2. i wasnt even alive during that time! and im not afraid to tell it, and i cant count how often that has brought me into trouble. when a discussion comes to ww2 and you say anything else than bad germany, bad germans we should apologise and repair(€€€) everything we did your considered a nazi.
its disgusting, but i better stop. this guilty shit really gets my blood boiling.



As far as I can tell, it is Schroder backing up Chirac on everything. Plus they still own Strasbourg (is or at least was largely German), so they have got you by the balls.
really? you tell me. i dont follow it too closely.
did you know that they made a opinion poll in the Strassburg/Alsace-Lorrain area after ww2, if they want to belong to germany or france. the answer was germany. but it was ignored. oh well, old storys. :rolleyes:

What's the unlikely alliance? US and Taiwan have good relations already.

Not anymore. Not since Nixon, and later Carter, betrayed them. :(

What's the unlikely alliance? US and Taiwan have good relations already.

I was thinking more on the Chinese side, i'm not quite sure of how good the relations are between China and most other countries. Something like China and some Middle Eastern countries like Iran (sort of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" type alliances)

The US will not start the war, but we will UNDOUBTABLY get involved. Really, though; the only war we have ever started was in Iraq.

Of course we'll get involved and I think your right on the only war we've ever started..... no our problem is we like to stick our noses into other people's business. That's how we get involved in every war that comes along almost.
We need to learn to butt out

If Taiwan keeps pushing for independance and China doesn't let go, that may be the trigger. I don't think it will go down like that. I'm thinkin more India/Pakistan.

Being a huge fan of the "Ender's Game' novel, I'd like to think that the next world war won't take place on Earth at all.

Not anymore. Not since Nixon, and later Carter, betrayed them. :(

Taiwan isn't worth being allies with. A Sino-American alliance is infinitely more important than a Taiwanese-American alliance.

Being a huge fan of the "Ender's Game' novel, I'd like to think that the next world war won't take place on Earth at all.


Excellent book

Just a thought-No nation with a McDonalds has ever been to war with another nation with a McDonalds. I personally believe we've reached a point of corporte globalization and checks and balances (i.e. UN and NATO) to prevent another war to match the scale of the "first" two. Plus, the threat of nuclear arsenals keep a shaky peace (NATO vs. Warsaw Pact) To quote a history teacher of mine- "The nuclear bomb has been the salvation of the second part of this century"

Here's a brief WW3 scenario....

In the near future, as the United States and Russia slash their military budgets and Russia erupts with internal problems, China continues to grow stronger and eventually decides to 'reclaim traditional Chinese territories'. When they attack south-east Asia, the US sends the Seventh Fleet, the main Asian force, off of Taiwan to help protect the island and warns the Chinese to pull out. In response, the Chinese attack and sink the American carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, claiming it was in Chinese waters. The outrage over this unprovoked attack causes the President to ask Congress for a declaration of war, which is soon followed by most of the United Nations. World War Three is now at hand.

Actually, that "brief scenario" of yours might become reality in the next twenty years.

China is claiming that Taiwan is a renegade province. They are currently having military on the strait right across Taiwan. Taiwan, on the other hand, is also preparing itself from mainland invasion by performing several military exercises. And they will have full-armed forces exercises by next week. Now, the US has hinted support for Taiwan in its claim to independence because the US wants to protect the interests in that part of the world. Anyway, this has much upset China, because this violates the one-China policy.

Statistics:
China: 2 million military personnel
Taiwan: 400,000 military personnel

I do not really know how Taiwan will manage to fend of the Chinese invasion.

And us, the poor nations of Southeast Asia, will definitely feel the main weight of this war. China has "hinted" that the Taiwanese Air Force might use the island of Luzon of the Philippines as its "second" airbase should the Taiwanese island fall.

Anyway, if you're looking for the place where WW3 will start, stop now, and turn your attentions carefully on the tensions between China, Taiwan, and the US.

And yes, I voted for China.

WWIII Was started on 9/11/2004. Only some of the world has awaken to see that fact yet. We will all see it in the coming years. The next phase will not be started by the US or UK or Germany, or even Russia. It will be a rouge group getting thier hands on a nuke. When that happens, the world will really change. Dont you see that?

And one more point... The war on terror is not going to make anything worse... those terrorists want to kill anyone unlike them, and that's always been true... with or without anyone fighting back. The middle east, the good folks there, should be the loudest ones screaming enough is enough.

WWIII Was started on 9/11/2004. Only some of the world has awaken to see that fact yet. We will all see it in the coming years. The next phase will not be started by the US or UK or Germany, or even Russia. It will be a rouge group getting thier hands on a nuke. When that happens, the world will really change. Dont you see that?

And one more point... The war on terror is not going to make anything worse... those terrorists want to kill anyone unlike them, and that's always been true... with or without anyone fighting back. The middle east, the good folks there, should be the loudest ones screaming enough is enough.
I am in agreement 100%

9/11/2004?

I belive in the China-Taiwan-US scenario.....
Because that seem real.

9/11/2004?
Yeah, You haven't heard the prophecy?

Sorry I didn't catch the date first time around.

People seem to think the U.S., but I kind of doubt it. If there is a world war any time soon, the U.S. absolutely will be involved, probably near the beginning. But I don't think the initial attack will be by us. It's true that we've got the toughest, most expensive military and we're the strongest world power. But a couple things make us starting a world war unlikely.

We don't have a history of starting major wars. We stayed out of WWI and II for quite a while. Someone said we provoked Pearl Harbor by refusing to give them arms and supplies, but that's not too significant. It's not an attack, and they were invading our allies. It's like criticizing us for not funding the Holocaust. Someone else said we hadn't started a war until Iraq. That's not quite true, but it's close. I can't think of a single war in the 1900s that we truly started. We intervened tons, but never started one. And the bigger the war, the more reluctant we've been to get involved, except perhaps Korea. Even in Korea, though, the president refused to extend the war to China, against the top general's urging and even as Chinese troops poured into Korea.

Second, we don't have the spark. In World War I, the spark was Austrian expansionism, which Russia countered. In World War II it was living space, racism, nationalism, and just Hitler in general. The U.S. has neither (Bush isn't on the same level, and he won't be around more than four more years anyway). We have nuclear nonproliferation, which we only hold against small nations (since we don't want a war with the big boys, who also happen to already have nukes), and which we don't adequately enforce anyway. We have is terrorism, which is inflicted upon us by individuals in small, weak nations. Even then we're unwilling to invade the strongest Middle Eastern nations. Both of those problems are with weak, mostly Middle Eastern countries. North Korea's actually the biggest proliferation problem, but we've shown that we're not willing to launch a war there. Relatively small, Middle Easten nations are not enough for a world war, at least unless a major power decides it loves them, like Russia did in WWI and we might do for Israel. None do. That also crosses off the Middle East as the cause; they're simply not important enough.

Who's left? Germany doesn't have the military or the motive, and I don't think they're big enough these days either. Some other big military powers are Britain and Japan. Britain would probably be along the same lines as I said for the U.S., with a bit more hesitancy. I was going to say they wouldn't act without American support, but that just makes us Germany to Austria in WWI, which happened. Japan's defense only (except for Iraq, which they didn't start) these days. Russia's just above being a failed state and they're military's in a shambles, relying on their nuclear missiles as a deterrent against attack. They do sell arms to anyone and everyone mean, but that's for the money. So while they might get involved in an Asian, European, or even Middle Eastern war, I doubt they'd start one.

That leaves China. People have said it would be profoundly stupid for China to start a war that would involve the U.S. (aka any world war), and I agree. However that hasn't stopped people in the past, and the other countries are even less likely, so China's the winner. People also say they've been peaceful lately and economy-minded, with improving trade and relations. But at the same time, their military spending grows by double digit percentages annually, and they're gearing it for a Taiwanese invasion and to fight American naval forces (according to news I've read). They've also got the motivations I said the U.S. lacks: a bit of the history and the spark. The history, though not as good as Germany's or Russia's, is the Korean War and some smaller events. The spark is Taiwan. There are other potential sparks, since they are surrounded by much smaller and weaker countries, not to mention Russia, but Taiwan's the most potent. Obviously, they claim it as part of China, and they've opposed its government since Mao beat it. They talk about retaking it by force, and their capacity to do so is increasing. Meanwhile, the U.S.'s official commitment to defending Taiwan is diminishing, making it more inviting, but still there. So out of all the possibilities, I'd say China's definitely the most worrisome.

On the other hand, it is possible that the U.S. will soon make a stupider than ever foreign policy decision related to us being the toughest kid on the block, and start a big war despite all logic. But that's kind of a longshot, because it would have to be even stupider than Vietnam and Iraq.

LOL.. oops... turbo-typing got me again...

I believe that none of these countries will cause WW3, mainly because as it stands, Germany and the US already have experience in this. Same with the whole continent of Europe. The Middle East has their asses stuck up themsevles so they're too self-absorbed in their own problems to even think about starting it. Though they could accidently start it by nuking something, but that probably won't happen. China is turning into a Japan wanna-be, so they're all into building the latest Technology. Russia.. I had a brain fart.. I'm really tired and I'm making illlogical points because I feel like typing and wasting space on this post.

I think Poland will start the next, either that or Chile.. If you need to know why.. PM me or something.

I believe that none of these countries will cause WW3, mainly because as it stands, Germany and the US already have experience in this. Same with the whole continent of Europe. The Middle East has their asses stuck up themsevles so they're too self-absorbed in their own problems to even think about starting it. Though they could accidently start it by nuking something, but that probably won't happen. China is turning into a Japan wanna-be, so they're all into building the latest Technology. Russia.. I had a brain fart.. I'm really tired and I'm making illlogical points because I feel like typing and wasting space on this post.

I think Poland will start the next, either that or Chile.. If you need to know why.. PM me or something.


That post didn't make sence...

What do you mean who will cause?

World War III started already buddy. On 9.11.01, World War III began, despite what people say, that's the start. World War II was very different than World War I and thus WWIII is different from WWII. Granted, WWIII isn't as intense as WWII was, give it time. Japan invaded Manchuria in what 1930 and then the rest of China in 1937. World War II, is considered to have started when Hitler invaded Poland but that's nonsense as WWII began when Japan invaded Manchuria.

although voting USA I think it will be caused by the USA and China and it will be over oil, both need it both will be the two largest users of oil and if USA moves into the oil fields in the sea near Korea (which according to some websites they already have a carrier fleet positioned) then China may get annoyed as they use these fields.


But at the end of the day I am stating my view on the information I have seen, and I of course know I have not seen all the information and therefore I may be very wrong.

There is too much trade and investment going on between the US and China for them to engage in a conflict.

I don't believe that China would cause a world war. The only reason they keep their belief system they way they do is because they can't change their dynasty nor do they want too. Perhaps with a new dynasty they could adopt new ideals. In any case the middle east is like what someone said earlier. A small series of countries that are for the most part at war with themselves. The US believe they are a threat because of the direct terrorist attacks on them. And although these attacks are horrible and treacherous, you may want to be asking yourself WHY they happened in the first place. I don't think any person in any country wants to have world war three. So to try to guess as to who would start it is absurd. Up here in Canada where I live we believe that nobody truly wants war, but perhaps they want something and are not being heard. Just something to think about...

There is too much trade and investment going on between the US and China for them to engage in a conflict.
No there isn't.

Yes there is. Go through your room and see if you can't find at least a billion items that say "Made in China".

I don't believe that China would cause a world war. The only reason they keep their belief system they way they do is because they can't change their dynasty nor do they want too. Perhaps with a new dynasty they could adopt new ideals. In any case the middle east is like what someone said earlier. A small series of countries that are for the most part at war with themselves. The US believe they are a threat because of the direct terrorist attacks on them. And although these attacks are horrible and treacherous, you may want to be asking yourself WHY they happened in the first place. I don't think any person in any country wants to have world war three. So to try to guess as to who would start it is absurd. Up here in Canada where I live we believe that nobody truly wants war, but perhaps they want something and are not being heard. Just something to think about...
They happened because radical muslims decided that if they can topple the US, or at least weaken it they can expand muslim territory through war and immigration into other nations. The goal of Osama Bin Laden is to establish a world wide muslim sharia nation ruled by a caliph. He wants that old time religion where he can kill non-muslims at will and enslave the males for menial work (except some of the cute little boys) females as concubines.

Yes there is. Go through your room and see if you can't find at least a billion items that say "Made in China".

...then fly over to Beijing and order a Big Mac

Yes there is. Go through your room and see if you can't find at least a billion items that say "Made in China".

ALL my stuff is either made in Taiwan or China.... I've got one thing Made in Bangladesh and one Made in U.S.A

Here's what I think will happen.

There will be 4 groups of main nations.

1. USA et al.--Britain, Canada, Australia, etc.
2. Communist nations--China, North Korea, etc.
3. Terrorist nations--Iran, etc.
4. Anti-war nations--France, Russia, etc.

The terrorist nations will ally together and launch a terror attack at the USA. They will retaliate by declaring war, and pulling in the rest of group #1. The Communist nations will wait for a while, but then put their strength behind group #3. However, America is so strong, it will be a fairly even match, devastating all three groups, leaving group #4 to run the world.

So that all that'll be left after the apocalypse will be wine-drinking cockroaches...

Well, they won't be "all that's left." The other nations will be severely weakened, but still there.

Although what will happen once France and company take over is another thread.

So obviously going to be the U.S. of A.

*Slack-jawed idiots*

I'm going with Vanuatu....no one ever suspects Vanuatu

Many users has lost their Posting *virginity* here, i feel so proud..... :D

I think its quite obvious what will happen and how the third world war will start. One word: Resources. When the oils and fossil fuels start to run out industrial wars will start as searches for more oils stores etc, eventually this will have really big effects for civillian and political factions and the four main areas that will start fighting will be Middle East (sorry to generalise) since some of the last oils deposits may be found there, Europe in a rush to gain further supplies, China in a similar rush, and USA in a rush to be the last man standing. Ultimately I think Europe would be crushed as USA and China have much more developed armies and mobile forces and Middle East would prove to be a problem but no major threat, especially if the last stores are actually under-sea oil wells. I think it's fair to say though that USA would 'win' in this scenario as they would act more quickly etc.

Saying this now, I remember this was actually part of the story in Fallout 2. In that Canada was annexed by USA in return for fuels, Europe was ruined by sabotage on its oil-rigs, the middle east was nuked by USA, China was crippled as they were unable to mobilise their forces across the oceans without fuel and the USA maintained the last oil rig and China or Russia or someone nuked them, resulting in a global nuclear war as USA responded and Europe was plunged into darkness by Fallout. I think thats an extreme and unlikely example obviously but I still think thats how WW3 would start.

Otherwise I reckon Switzerland would start on USA. Think about it.

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Who will cause World War 3?

Its simple... the united nations of course.

Yes there is. Go through your room and see if you can't find at least a billion items that say "Made in China".
I did, and I couldn't. Most of it says "Made in USA." I was actually a bit surprised. Anyway, there is substantial trade between the two nations, mostly benefitting China, but that doesn't guarantee peace. Neither country needs the other. The U.S. can make all of its own things or get them from a hundred other poor countries. China can't make up the investment, but they could get some from Japan and Europe, and loss of foreign investment does not equal death. In the U.S.'s case, no trade with China would cut the trade deficit, halt outsourcing there, create demand for American production, and bring in investment. A lot of that would simply be diverted to India and whatnot instead, of course. The sudden disruption would screw up both economies, of course, but that's temporary, especially in total war or something near it. Basically, go read my previous post. The trade is a deterrent, not a preventor.

The country of Alberta, (once it nad BC split from the rest of Canada), will become the most oil-rich nation in the world. (Oil rich in the sense of amount of oil, as well as the amount of money within the country from oil profits.) Many other countries, the US included will want this territory and there willb e a huge conflict between who controls Alberta, and who wants to protect Alberta.

Give it 30 years.

No one has any idea who will cause WW3, though someone will, it is inevitable.

The next big war most likely will be between china and the US. The US is the major economic/military power right now and will want to keep that position. China is the rising star and this will cause conflict most likely over oil. Even today we can see how oil pricers have been pushed over the 45$ mark. This is happening because of a rapid increase in demand by China as its economy countinues to grow in double digit percentage figures. China will countinue to grow and consume more as will America because all those fat Yanks have SUVs (lol sorry about that one, I couldnt control myself). Hopefully if the conflict kicks off it will be fought in a load of small 3rd world countries like in the Cold War. Lets hope to hell they dont start lobbing nukes round the place.

One last thing. If God is on our side he'll stop the next war.

The next big war most likely will be between china and the US. The US is the major economic/military power right now and will want to keep that position. China is the rising star and this will cause conflict most likely over oil. Even today we can see how oil pricers have been pushed over the 45$ mark. This is happening because of a rapid increase in demand by China as its economy countinues to grow in double digit percentage figures. China will countinue to grow and consume more as will America because all those fat Yanks have SUVs (lol sorry about that one, I couldnt control myself). Hopefully if the conflict kicks off it will be fought in a load of small 3rd world countries like in the Cold War. Lets hope to hell they dont start lobbing nukes round the place.

One last thing. If God is on our side he'll stop the next war.

I think god left the earth when WW2 erupted.... He could stand it anymore..

I, personally, have my own theories.

Okay, first of all I don't think any one country is going to be responsible. It certianly won't be Germany (I figure, if you lose two WW in a row, you might as well learn your lesson).

I hate to point fingures, and a lot can happen in the future that can change this, but here is a good idea.

Supposed Events (these events would make my solution more probable)
-All Corrupt Islamic Middle East countries form one, giant nation.
-China's dislike for "the west" grows.
-A large group of Russian "Bring back the USSR" radicals either sieze control, or split the country in half.
-Columbia and Cuba form and alliance.

Now, all these aforementioned bad boys take the world on together. Viola! WWIII!

Oh, and this time around, the German war machine will be on our side! YESS! Oh those germans and there efficiency. What will they think of next.

P.S. Also, we will, once again, have to save France's butt.

The US for all the reasons we see daily. BTW, for me WWIII is whqat we see daily all over the globe.

I don't think that the nuclear powers will nuke themselves out. just like in the cold war, the front is in the Middle East, Africa, Asia and sometimes Latin America (for example CIA supported coups in Venezuela against Chavez, just in th esame way they started th etruckdrivers strike and supported Pinochet against elected Alliende). We also can add the multinationals since their role in Congo and Rwanda in the on Coltan based wars (needed in cellphones aso) is terrible.

Why would we have to save France? Why would the bad guys want to invade them?

I.

P.S. Also, we will, once again, have to save France's butt.

Again don't forget, withouth France, never a US :p (very well explained this week by a US citizen in another topic)

I think it will be North Korea that will start WW3. You know they're itching to fire a nuke at someone, and it will probably be the US, China or Japan.

Here's a brief WW3 scenario....

In the near future, as the United States and Russia slash their military budgets and Russia erupts with internal problems, China continues to grow stronger and eventually decides to 'reclaim traditional Chinese territories'. When they attack south-east Asia, the US sends the Seventh Fleet, the main Asian force, off of Taiwan to help protect the island and warns the Chinese to pull out. In response, the Chinese attack and sink the American carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, claiming it was in Chinese waters. The outrage over this unprovoked attack causes the President to ask Congress for a declaration of war, which is soon followed by most of the United Nations. World War Three is now at hand.
Believable, except that I don't see the US slashing its military budget anytime soon. Also, south-east Asia, like Vietnam and Thailand are not traditional Chinese territories.

Have you read Total War 2006 by Simon Pearson?

I, personally, have my own theories.

Okay, first of all I don't think any one country is going to be responsible. It certianly won't be Germany (I figure, if you lose two WW in a row, you might as well learn your lesson).

I hate to point fingures, and a lot can happen in the future that can change this, but here is a good idea.

Supposed Events (these events would make my solution more probable)
-All Corrupt Islamic Middle East countries form one, giant nation.
-China's dislike for "the west" grows.
-A large group of Russian "Bring back the USSR" radicals either sieze control, or split the country in half.
-Columbia and Cuba form and alliance.

Now, all these aforementioned bad boys take the world on together. Viola! WWIII!

Oh, and this time around, the German war machine will be on our side! YESS! Oh those germans and there efficiency. What will they think of next.

P.S. Also, we will, once again, have to save France's butt.
Let me see if I got this straight: The godless commies are going to unite and ally themselves with a united nation of Islam? Isn't there kind of an ideological conflict there? Those forces that wish to unite the Islamic countries tend to be religious extremists and communists tend to be atheists. (Cuba having been officially Atheist up until the nineties). I assume they unite due to a joint hatred of the USA, which was kind of the Islamists plan to unite the Middle East. Pretty simple plan, too: Get the white devils to invade, and occupy (therefore "oppress") the poor arab countries, so you can get the people really pissed off and they'll overthrow the old dictators and form one, big, loving family of religious fundamentalists, who will thereafter crush the Christian world, because "God's on our side". But if god's on their side, why would they bother with the godless communists? Surely allying themselves with them would lose the G man's favour.
In any case, it's clear to me that WW3 will begin on the floors of the UN's General Assembly. The delegates begin the violence when they enter a heated argument over.... well, something controvercial, from there, the fighting pours out onto the streets, much like in Mel Brooks's "Blazing Saddles", and then the black sheriff will go to the premiere in Hollywood to see who wins the war (Surprise ending: Morocco wins after entering into an alliance with Australia and Germany, only to stab them both in the back.) Much more pleasant than any of that Weapons of Mass Destruction nonsense, eh?

Supposed Events (these events would make my solution more probable)
-All Corrupt Islamic Middle East countries form one, giant nation.
-China's dislike for "the west" grows.
-A large group of Russian "Bring back the USSR" radicals either sieze control, or split the country in half.
-Colombia and Cuba form an alliance.

I think that these events are really improbable.

1. Many of the countries in the Middle East hate each other. They are far too corrup and inefficient to form an alliance. Such a move would no doubt also trigger revolutions in many countries.

2. China's dislike for the West is diminishing with its embrace of consumerism. It has transformed from a Communist police state into a Corporate police state.

3. This is unlikely, because such a group would enjoy almost no popular support. In the last presidential election in Russia, Mikael Gorbachev ran, and he received less than 1% of the vote - a crushing defeat by anyone's standards. Even if there was a communist revolution, Russia is so poor and weak that these neo-stalinists couldn't do anything.

4. I think this is the most likely. But since Colombia and Cuba are both small countries, I doubt they could do very much. They certainly could not start a world war.

Well, the Middle Eastern countries hate each other, maybe, but they hate the US more. It would be a similar sort of alliance to what the USA and Britain had with the Soviet Union--I hate you, but I hate Hitler more. Ditto with the commies.

My alternate ending:

The commie/terrorist side wins, but infighting destroys them, because of a lack of a common enemy, and France et al. triumph supreme.

Still the same conclusion.

Bush might be stupid, but he isn't crazy enough to start WW3.
It would also be highly unlikely that war on terror could cause it.
In my opnion it will be either Russia or China. Putin is quite nationalistic and strong leader and certainly not peaceful, so if someone starts the war it's likely to be Putin. China is unlikely to start it now, but there is an alarmingly large amount of radical nationalists with totally screwed wiev of the world.

Perhaps WW3 wont be fought in the traditional sense that we know. but maybe through commercial schemes and trade wars. Perhaps it has begun starting with the media. I mean look at how much countries try to make each other look bad on the media. What better way to destroy a country than financially.

Bush might be stupid, but he isn't crazy enough to start WW3.
It would also be highly unlikely that war on terror could cause it.
In my opnion it will be either Russia or China. Putin is quite nationalistic and strong leader and certainly not peaceful, so if someone starts the war it's likely to be Putin. China is unlikely to start it now, but there is an alarmingly large amount of radical nationalists with totally screwed wiev of the world.

As a non US citizen and peacefull men, I would advise you to replace the names Puttin and Bush, makes the same sense for neutral people. same about Chinese and US natonamists altough the first are far more dangerous regarding the attacks (Oklahoma) and the right wing millitia's. Never saw those in China.(of course people are more free in the US then in the other two but just try..)

Well, if WWIII is fought that way, then the US will be the winner for sure.

Who ever said USA is nutz. USA doesn't attack anyone else unless some one attacks them or they take being attacked out on someone else that didn't attack them. USA just doesn't start wars for no reason.

It's extremely unlikely, but should it happen, I'd say it'd be started by China. Their military policy doesn't ever work in the interests of their neighbors, but are rather to intimidate them. They also have the world's last remaining empire, controlling the non-Han Chinese areas of Xingjiang and Tibet.
I think what'd be most likely is the Chinese starting a war with Russia, leaving the world no choice but to take sides. However, I wouldn't rule out a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, provoking a Sino-American conflict.

Who ever said USA is nutz. USA doesn't attack anyone else unless some one attacks them or they take being attacked out on someone else that didn't attack them. USA just doesn't start wars for no reason.
...*cough*theattackoniraq*cough*... :mp5:
*blink*
...*cough*nowmdiniraq*cough*... :gundge:
*looks around*
...*cough*nolinkto911*cough* :sniper:

Who ever said USA is nutz. USA doesn't attack anyone else unless some one attacks them or they take being attacked out on someone else that didn't attack them. USA just doesn't start wars for no reason.

Grenada :rolleyes:

Grenada :rolleyes:
Oh yeah...those guys! And don't forget Iraq!!

It is generally accepted by political scientiststhat there are a few main flashpoints in the world today. These include (but are not limited to) Israel/Palestine, China/Taiwan, India/Pakistan, and North/South Korea.

That is NOT to say that these nations will be responsible for "WW3", or even that such a conflict will happen. It simply means that these are areas where serious conflict, up to an including (but not necessarially) NBC warfare.

At the same time, we are seeing the emergance of regional economic blocks. Many tracing market data have shown that while global trading (globalization) is increasing, it is not increasing as quickly as regional trading (regionalization). I won't get into the specifics as to why (it takes a bit of explaining), but these same political scientists often debate what impact regionalization will have to the globalization process.

Personally, I don't think WW3 is going to come about any time soon. Why?

1: All the major powers in the world, even when looked at as regions rather then nations, are heavilly invested in each other. In a mostly capitalist 1st world, what corporate lobyist is going to urge political leaders to go to war against a country where his/her company has assets?

2: There are a lot of nations that support or turn a blind eye on activities of terrorists (aimed at other nations) in their territory. However, the terrorists are devided (different goals against different nations) and their host nations tend to be small and rather powerless compared to the 1st world.

Think about it for a moment. It really isn't West vs. East anymore. It is more the entire 1st world (and quite a few in the 3rd) against a few nations in the 3rd. On a nation-to-nation basis, the sides are just too lopsided for a world war.

So what do I think we have?

I think every 1st world nation (many others have just as much terrorism as the US) is now joining in a battle that many third world nations have been involved in for a very long time.

To me, "the war on terror" looks more like "the war on drugs" then "WW3." And like the war on drugs, I rejoice it isn't a true war, and worry that it will never, can never be won (or lost).

I do however strongly believe there are many things we can do to reduce terrorism to a minimum level, but that is beside the point.

In summary:
-I don't think a WW3 is imminent or likely in the near future.
-I believe several smaller (but major) conflicts could break out (flashpoints)
-I believe the "war on terror" is much the same as the "war on drugs."

Grenada :rolleyes:

I believe we were protecting American nationals there, justifiable I suppose, but the least we could've done was tell their head of state (Queen Elizabeth II, you know, one of our best allies) that we were coming.

I believe we were protecting American nationals there, justifiable I suppose, but the least we could've done was tell their head of state (Queen Elizabeth II, you know, one of our best allies) that we were coming.
Yeah, Thatcher through a fit when the US invaded Grenada without her knowing. But it didn't seem to damage Anglo-American relations too much. Besides, I bet they were just as interested as we were to see an upstart communist regime in the Carribean.

I believe we were protecting American nationals there, justifiable I suppose, but the least we could've done was tell their head of state (Queen Elizabeth II, you know, one of our best allies) that we were coming.

Just a reaction on Superiors bullshit that the US never attacks anyone without reason.
BTW having a communist island in the Ocean is not a thread for the US, you've got a big one near you over 40 years :rolleyes:

i think either china will invade russia (bear and the Dragon. very very good book.) or a war (bigger bloodyer) will start between india and pakistan over kashmir.

I think all the little conflicts will get worse and then it will all erupt into one massive world war. But, I don't think it will include Europe and Canada, and parts of Latin and South America; I think it will be mostly Asia - MidEast, China, Russia (though unlikely), India & Pakistan...and Africa...

Again i say, 'how the fuck is it possible for GERMANY to start WW3???'

Get a life their military died after WW2...
acctually germany has one of the strongest militaries in europe. Britian and maybe France are the only ones stronger then it

i think either china will invade russia (bear and the Dragon. very very good book.) or a war (bigger bloodyer) will start between india and pakistan over kashmir.

i think a war between pakistan and india woudn´t become a world war

i don´t know when WWIII will start and i don´t know what weapons will be used, but i know that in WWIV as weapons there will be used stones and branches

acctually germany has one of the strongest militaries in europe. Britian and maybe France are the only ones stronger then it

I believe it goes France > Britian > Germany, in terms of military spending

And they have a draft

Here's a brief WW3 scenario....

In the near future, as the United States and Russia slash their military budgets and Russia erupts with internal problems, China continues to grow stronger and eventually decides to 'reclaim traditional Chinese territories'. When they attack south-east Asia, the US sends the Seventh Fleet, the main Asian force, off of Taiwan to help protect the island and warns the Chinese to pull out. In response, the Chinese attack and sink the American carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, claiming it was in Chinese waters. The outrage over this unprovoked attack causes the President to ask Congress for a declaration of war, which is soon followed by most of the United Nations. World War Three is now at hand.
considering the fact that russia cant even bake their own bread less likely have a strong military in the first place. that will never happen the U.S will never Cut Military budgets. also if china was gonna attack former territories they would have done so by now i doubt the U.S and china will ever go to war with each other there is to much at stake and the countries are to far apart

I picked the US cuz they problay will be a magor factor in causing the next ww. ether by fighting with the middle east or try to full fill the (can't remeber what it was called the it's that old american belief that they have the god given right to rule all of north america.

all though I think that the brits could try to rebliuld there empire or germany could try to gain a warm water port again. or russia try to rebliuld to it's former size and strength.
are you talking about manifest destiny?

I think Germany...they started the last 2 Thell invade france,defeat france,france crys for help, Britain comes tot= there adi but then they need help then the US shows upa nd kicks butt.
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Just a reaction on Superiors bullshit that the US never attacks anyone without reason.
BTW having a communist island in the Ocean is not a thread for the US, you've got a big one near you over 40 years :rolleyes:
Well it certainly helps the big one if they are allowed to grow. It also helps the even bigger one: the Soviet Union. I'm glad the invasion happened, even if it was just to protect medical students from the US.

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Well it certainly helps the big one if they are allowed to grow. It also helps the even bigger one: the Soviet Union. I'm glad the invasion happened, even if it was just to protect medical students from the US.
You really believe that "medical students" propaganda. Proof again that US history classes are crap or woorse: propaganda.( obliged raising the flag and singing the national song and swearing on a bible each morning before school won't help)

In the free world (neither the communist or US one) we see this as a lie. Grenada was just like the USSR did i his backyard: a illegal invasion to put a US pupet in charge.

At this rate, it's gonna be the USA no question. Germany is not involved enough in international conflict to start another World War, and besides, I think they learned their lesson in the first two! Russia is past evil dictators and no longer a superpower, and as such I don't think they're going to mess around with their military power again. I have no clue what's up with China, but they haven't done anything big that I've heard about, so I wasn't going to vote for them. The Middle East, I suppose, is the most likely adversary for the USA, but I feel that since the USA is the superpower here, we are the ones responsible for any war that arises with the relatively undeveloped Middle East. I can't think of any other hot spots for war, so there's my answer.

You really believe that "medical students" propaganda. Proof again that US history classes are crap or woorse: propaganda.( obliged raising the flag and singing the national song and swearing on a bible each morning before school won't help)

In the free world (neither the communist or US one) we see this as a lie. Grenada was just like the USSR did i his backyard: a illegal invasion to put a US pupet in charge.
I don't believe the part about medical students, although they must have been in the country at the time. I do, however, think it was justified to remove a communist regime from the Western Hemisphere, even if it was small and insignificant. It sent a message to the boys in Moscow: we don't want you in our backyard. I'd use the same logic to argue for our intervention in Central America, though I think that was overkill.

By the time the two countries hate each other to start another world war, there won't be a world left!

I do, however, think it was justified to remove a communist regime from the Western Hemisphere, even if it was small and insignificant. .

In the same afgressive logic, this gives/gave the right to any communist country to attack and occupy a non communist one. Because it is in it's backyard.

Strange toughts about a free world and democracy. So, following this logic, Nazi Germany was OK when it attacked the democracies to install Nazism :rolleyes:

In the same afgressive logic, this gives/gave the right to any communist country to attack and occupy a non communist one. Because it is in it's backyard.

Strange toughts about a free world and democracy. So, following this logic, Nazi Germany was OK when it attacked the democracies to install Nazism :rolleyes:
In a way, yes. It's all part of insuring national interests. The only difference was that Nazi Germany wasn't actually threatened, but invaded most of Europe out of pure agression. The US didn't, and neither did the Soviet Union. As this was a war, the Soviets had every right to try and stop the US via proxy. They did in Vietnam. The US bit back in Afghanistan. As you know, however, Afghanistan was the Soviet's worst nightmare, when it came to installing a communist government.