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The entire point of sex is evolution, but evolution is no more.

Inorder for evolution to continue, we would all have to become Nazis and start killing of inferior people - which'd be bad.

The only other alternative would be genetic engineering, but you can be pretty much guaranteed we'd mess that up (because who decides what path evolution should follow?)

In the Ancient world, homesexuality was a crime against nature - but nature is dead so that's no longer a problem.

So, as I see it we have 2 choices. We can quite the whole sex thing, or acknowledge that it's pointless and start doing it a lot more for fun.

The entire point of sex is evolution, but evolution is no more.

Inorder for evolution to continue, we would all have to become Nazis and start killing of inferior people - which'd be bad.

The only other alternative would be genetic engineering, but you can be pretty much guaranteed we'd mess that up (because who decides what path evolution should follow?)

In the Ancient world, homesexuality was a crime against nature - but nature is dead so that's no longer a problem.

So, as I see it we have 2 choices. We can quite the whole sex thing, or acknowledge that it's pointless and start doing it a lot more for fun.

i don't think choice one is even an option. Us humans need sex.

Evolution is dead? Bah! What do you think we hold the Darwin Awards (http://www.darwinawards.com/) for? :)

As for homosexuality being unnatural and a detribution to humanity and all that crap: Homosexuality in humans has been recorded and documented for thousands of years. It's even in the Bible. People were gay during the Roman Empire and even before that. Right now, we have 6 billion+ people in the world. I don't think a few gay people has really killed the human race.

i don't think choice one is even an option. Us humans need sex.

Actually, it is. Some bastard discovered that women don't need men anymore, they can reproduce themselves, but i'm not sure how. There is also new technology to control the gender of your child. So be ready for a lesbian future where only women exist.

Inorder for evolution to continue, we would all have to become Nazis and start killing of inferior people - which'd be bad.

Would we? I thought it would just be a matter of waiting for a creature to come from Homo Sapiens that could kill us off, although I can't imagine that ever happening.

And of course there is the view that evoloution doesn't exist, which may not necessarily be wrong.

Actually, it is. Some bastard discovered that women don't need men anymore, they can reproduce themselves, but i'm not sure how. There is also new technology to control the gender of your child. So be ready for a lesbian future where only women exist.



Would we? I thought it would just be a matter of waiting for a creature to come from Homo Sapiens that could kill us off, although I can't imagine that ever happening.

And of course there is the view that evoloution doesn't exist, which may not necessarily be wrong.

I think we'd all start shooting before that happened.

Actually, it is. Some bastard discovered that women don't need men anymore, they can reproduce themselves, but i'm not sure how. There is also new technology to control the gender of your child. So be ready for a lesbian future where only women exist.

Sounds a hell of a lot like pay per view DirecTV.

Actually, it is. Some bastard discovered that women don't need men anymore, they can reproduce themselves, but i'm not sure how. There is also new technology to control the gender of your child. So be ready for a lesbian future where only women exist.


It's kinda like cloning, but since we don't have artificial wombs yet men still need women (not to mention the psychological reasons we need them)

Would we? I thought it would just be a matter of waiting for a creature to come from Homo Sapiens that could kill us off, although I can't imagine that ever happening.


Sadly the method by which that creature comes to exist is evolution, so without it he isn't comming. The third world still has evolution I think, so I guess he (or she?... or even IT?) could come from there. I wonder what it would look like?

I believe we are evolving...just in the wrong direction. It makes me wonder why it is the lower class that has so many more children than the rich ones on top. Those successful people have an obligation to mass produce children for the benifit of the human race.

The process of evolution is not dead, it can and does still act on human populations.

If the current population suddenly all stopped sexually reproducing, and instead had asexual reproduction, then eventually there would likely be viruses that could evolve to attack specific genomes. If the same genome was around long enough without changing, then something could come to attack it.

Also, cloning can have errors in it, so over time mutations could be introduced into the population, and those mutations could be acted on by evolution.

Dude, sex is fun. It'd suck if we just had babies by wanking in a jar and then letting some dude put it in a woman with a turkey baster.

Hell, I'd welcome a world where women ruled and we men were just kept for our seed. It just might make it a better place.

Dude, sex is fun. It'd suck if we just had babies by wanking in a jar and then letting some dude put it in a woman with a turkey baster.

Hell, I'd welcome a world where women ruled and we men were just kept for our seed. It just might make it a better place.

i'll support that. Might be kinky. Women are superior anyway. I'll have to give in on that one.

The entire point of sex is evolution, but evolution is no more.

two problems. half of the entire point of sex is for sex to be fun - it evolved to be pleasurable because otherwise no one would do it.

and evolution is at work just as much as it ever was. but hey, none out of two aint bad...

Would we? I thought it would just be a matter of waiting for a creature to come from Homo Sapiens that could kill us off, although I can't imagine that ever happening.

And of course there is the view that evoloution doesn't exist, which may not necessarily be wrong.

evolution happens every day. the frequency of genes in a population changes everytime somebody is born or dies. no killing off entire species required.

and in order for the view that evolution doesn't exist to be true, we have to believe that our senses consistently decieve all of us because some being is playing a huge elaborate trick on us by making all of the evidence point towards evolution as the only reasonable explanation.

Hell, I'd welcome a world where women ruled and we men were just kept for our seed. It just might make it a better place.

:D Very true. Maybe if the world was ruled by more women than men we wouldn't be blowing up so many Middle-Eastern nations.

The entire point of sex is evolution, but evolution is no more.

Inorder for evolution to continue, we would all have to become Nazis and start killing of inferior people - which'd be bad.

Yeah, because we all know that evolution has only been going on in the past 2 billion years because of nazis, and now that nazis are gone, we're dead. The last 2 generations since nazi extinction, those were all flukes. Oh, we are doomed!

I suspect you're either a little kid who's only knowledge of biology is from porn sites and little trivia picked up in forums like these, or someone who's just been very badly educated. Or, you were tring to make a joke. I sure hope it was a joke, for your sake.

two problems. half of the entire point of sex is for sex to be fun - it evolved to be pleasurable because otherwise no one would do it.

and evolution is at work just as much as it ever was. but hey, none out of two aint bad...

No, the whole point of sex (from an external scientific perspective) is evolution. It is fun, only as a means to an end. I might be willing to concede that it also serves as a bonding experience inorder to acquire an ally, but other than that it's evolution.

And as for your comment about evolution still being at work, argue the point a bit so this doesn't become repetitive. My point is that survival of the fittest is no longer driving evolution. What we have now is called genetic drift... which I guess is technically a form of evolution - but it's not particularly productive and isn't going anywhere.

oh well, despite your complete wrongness I suppose you get points for being much wittier than me :P

No, the whole point of sex (from an external scientific perspective) is evolution. It is fun, only as a means to an end. I might be willing to concede that it also serves as a bonding experience inorder to acquire an ally, but other than that it's evolution.

And as for your comment about evolution still being at work, argue the point a bit so this doesn't become repetitive. My point is that survival of the fittest is no longer driving evolution. What we have now is called genetic drift... which I guess is technically a form of evolution - but it's not particularly productive and isn't going anywhere.

oh well, despite your complete wrongness I suppose you get points for being much wittier than me :P

Evolution is always survival of the fittest. As long as mutations occur, selective mating occurs, as long as any human being has unique dna, it happens. It's just life.

No, the whole point of sex (from an external scientific perspective) is evolution. It is fun, only as a means to an end. I might be willing to concede that it also serves as a bonding experience inorder to acquire an ally, but other than that it's evolution.

The only animals that have sex for pleasure are humans and dolphins. All the others do it for the sake of the survival and evolution of their species.

You know the human race has remained pretty unchanged for the last 10k years or so, right?

Well, we have evolved. We are slightly taller. We resist diseases better. Our apendix now does nothing.

Evolution in deed does still work and it works on everyone. It is the slow process of DNA perfecting itself, like a distillation. And it happens in two majore ways; either the theory of gradual change or theory of mutation. If someone were suddenly born with gills, it would be an evolutionary mutation.

Evolution CANNOT "die", it isn't a disease. It is a process of nature. And nature is far from dead. Case in point, your alive. Second, ask any neo-pagan, Hindu, Shintoist, Daoist, or someone from South America, Africa, or India if nature is dead. Better yet, go spend a week in the Amazon or the jungles of India. Then tell me nature is dead.

It is weak, yes, but far from dead. Nature is everything. Even the cities are natural, granted they have been refined and changed from their base state, but they can still be considered 'all natural' because, when you think about it, it is impossible to have something that isn't natural. It's parts have to come from somewhere; some bacteria, some plant, some growth, some stone...and thats all natural. IE, it happens in nature.

If evolution was "dead" then we would instantly be suseptable to any new strain of the cold, because you evolve to gain a resistance to it. You would die in a new climate, and have permanent headaches after any airline trip. Again, you evolve to adapt to your new climate. Humans can quickly shift their operations internally to take advantage of their new habitat. This is the process of evolving.

So next time you go and tan or get over that cold or flu, thank your lucky stars evolution isn't dead. Your you would have skin cancer. Or worse.

Yeah, because we all know that evolution has only been going on in the past 2 billion years because of nazis, and now that nazis are gone, we're dead. The last 2 generations since nazi extinction, those were all flukes. Oh, we are doomed!

I suspect you're either a little kid who's only knowledge of biology is from porn sites and little trivia picked up in forums like these, or someone who's just been very badly educated. Or, you were tring to make a joke. I sure hope it was a joke, for your sake.

hehe, I'm a university honours student studying genetics :)

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we don't go instantly extinct without evolution, so we don't need Nazi's to survive. My point is that evolution used to ensure our survival, but we have become so inteligent that we no longer require it - and thus ensure our own survival voiding evolution.

And I was joking a bit... clearly this only works on the rich, and even then there's a tiny bit of selective pressure (though it probably won't be enough to have an impact).

But think about it, with all our technology - would we really allow evolution to happen by accident? it's gunna be intentional, or nothing.

Actually, it is. Some bastard discovered that women don't need men anymore, they can reproduce themselves, but i'm not sure how. There is also new technology to control the gender of your child. So be ready for a lesbian future where only women exist.

it was with rats, they irradiated an egg react more like a sperm, to join with another egg and start multiplying. if i remember right, the infant wasn't too healthy, though live.

also, someone said that homosexuality is un-natural, but there are homosexual elephants, monkeys, whales and i think i heard about a breed of mouse that had homosexual encounters. ...now that's a whole lot of something un-natural in nature, don't you think? maybe that means that it isn't un-natural...

If evolution was "dead" then we would instantly be suseptable to any new strain of the cold, because you evolve to gain a resistance to it. You would die in a new climate, and have permanent headaches after any airline trip. Again, you evolve to adapt to your new climate. Humans can quickly shift their operations internally to take advantage of their new habitat. This is the process of evolving.


With the exception of the cold comment, that's bollocks. An individual adaptation is not evolution, that Lamarckian viewpoint was disproved years ago.

Strangely an individuals resistance to the common cold is evolution though, so you've got me there. bugger.

Evolution is always survival of the fittest. As long as mutations occur, selective mating occurs, as long as any human being has unique dna, it happens. It's just life.

good point about the selective mating.... survival of the prettiest. hehe, I've been shot to ribbons haven't I?

OK, I acknowledge survival of the prettiest, and flu resistance. But I still... still... er...

I'm fairly sure there was a scientific conference about this once, so it's not a completely invalid opinion. Shame about the selective mating bit, I could of kept arguing the point for ages without that one...

The only animals that have sex for pleasure are humans and dolphins. All the others do it for the sake of the survival and evolution of their species.

one problem. only humans and probably a few others can even understand the idea that sex causes reproduction. but the reason everything (people included) has sex is because of a combination of our sex drives and the fact that sex is pleasurable - and really the two are intimately linked together.

hehe, I'm a university honours student studying genetics :)

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we don't go instantly extinct without evolution, so we don't need Nazi's to survive. My point is that evolution used to ensure our survival, but we have become so inteligent that we no longer require it - and thus ensure our own survival voiding evolution.

And I was joking a bit... clearly this only works on the rich, and even then there's a tiny bit of selective pressure (though it probably won't be enough to have an impact).

But think about it, with all our technology - would we really allow evolution to happen by accident? it's gunna be intentional, or nothing.

Actually, it is widely held that evolution is still working, it has just changed it's goal. The key to survival in (in first and second worldcountries, at least) is increased intelligence and skills. In that sense, society, and modern capitolism speeds it up. Also, evolution, diseases, blahblahblah already said by others. But a common theory is our theistic evolution. It is held that religion was caused by schizophrenia in our ancestors, yeilding an image of god. This would explane how unrelated early cultures all have similar gods, and are mostly polytheistic. Later on, monotheism formed by similar reasons. and eventually, the rise of atheism. Many think religion was originally a solution to creating society and culture, a sense of unity. A bible of laws was written. In fact, it sems like writing was invented to record these beliefs! for some reason, a single god versus many is established (possibly the dying out of theism in a vestigal form) and then we have atheism, now that society is made and requires no distractions.

no, it is caused by differential reproductive success. it doesn't matter if everyone lives to adulthood; some people are going to be better able to pass on their genes than others.

What about distilation of the gene pool? If someone survives due to medical aid that otherwise should have died, their genes will still get passed on.

I have no choice now but to acknowledge that evolution still happens, but towards what? sexy people who need drugs to survive?


and re the dolphin thing: monkeys can be gay, so it's not just people and dolphins that do it for fun.

Actually, it is widely held that evolution is still working, it has just changed it's goal. The key to survival in (in first and second worldcountries, at least) is increased intelligence and skills. In that sense, society, and modern capitolism speeds it up. Also, evolution, diseases, blahblahblah already said by others. But a common theory is our theistic evolution. It is held that religion was caused by schizophrenia in our ancestors, yeilding an image of god. This would explane how unrelated early cultures all have similar gods, and are mostly polytheistic. Later on, monotheism formed by similar reasons. and eventually, the rise of atheism. Many think religion was originally a solution to creating society and culture, a sense of unity. A bible of laws was written. In fact, it sems like writing was invented to record these beliefs! for some reason, a single god versus many is established (possibly the dying out of theism in a vestigal form) and then we have atheism, now that society is made and requires no distractions.

Are you saying that the genetic basis for evolution is changing, or that cultural evolution is occuring parallel to genetic evolution?

EDIT: I meant genetic basis for religeon, not evolution.

And as for your comment about evolution still being at work, argue the point a bit so this doesn't become repetitive. My point is that survival of the fittest is no longer driving evolution. What we have now is called genetic drift... which I guess is technically a form of evolution - but it's not particularly productive and isn't going anywhere.

evolution is never going anywhere, it's just selecting things based on present conditions. survival of the fittest is something of a misnomer. it would probably be better to say something like survival of the fit enough. and in present conditions lots of things are fit enough, but lots of things still aren't. there will always be selective pressure towards things that are slightly more fit for their present environment, no matter how much technology we put into the system. the technology just becomes part of the present conditions that we have to be fit enough for. for example, when we really get medicine to the malaria belt we will probably see a reduction in sickle cell anemia because there will no longer be selective pressure to keep the gene that causes it (and also grants immunity to malaria) in the gene pool.

and re the dolphin thing: monkeys can be gay, so it's not just people and dolphins that do it for fun.

That doesn't mean they do it for fun. All animals have a desire and instinctual compulsion for poon-tang. AND! Studies show that homosexuality can A) be induced in rats by hormoneoverdoses and B) is common in rams with certain brain deformities.

Edit: Evilgnomes, its the second one. Culture is in fact genetically controlled(emergent behavior) and as such it follows would run parallel. And the genetic basis of it will always remain.

All animals have a desire and instinctual compulsion for poon-tang.

including us. but the reason why we do it is because it is fun. the instinctual compulsion expresses itself through pleasure.

well duh.

Come on, this topic was all hot and now it's just lying here? Or are you all researching and writing uber-long posts right now?

Free Soviets:
Ya gota admit though, that music clip showing evolution of the fat man was pretty funny. nevertheless I acknowledge defeat. I don't suppose your a biologist by any chance? it would significantly lessen my shame.

Lampshades:
If the monkeys aren't having sex for fun then why are they doing it? I really doubt gay monkeys are trying to get each other pregnent - I mean they're not human but they still aint stupid. Or do you suppose that they are not capable of fun, thus it must just be instinct?

Free Soviets:
Ya gota admit though, that music clip showing evolution of the fat man was pretty funny. nevertheless I acknowledge defeat. I don't suppose your a biologist by any chance? it would significantly lessen my shame.

indeed it is.

and sorry, i'm not a biologist. just a geek who never quite got over liking dinosaurs when he was little.

Yeah, because we all know that evolution has only been going on in the past 2 billion years because of nazis, and now that nazis are gone, we're dead. The last 2 generations since nazi extinction, those were all flukes. Oh, we are doomed!

oh man, i didn't even see this post before. what a great image... a little single celled organism with a mustache holding a rally - "our water droplet uber alles!"

indeed it is.

and sorry, i'm not a biologist. just a geek who never quite got over liking dinosaurs when he was little.

Hey me too :D Dinosaurs rock. I'd bring them back if I could... sadly I can't...yet...

hmmm, Nazi Amoeba... I wonder how to make one of them...

Lampshades:
If the monkeys aren't having sex for fun then why are they doing it? I really doubt gay monkeys are trying to get each other pregnent - I mean they're not human but they still aint stupid. Or do you suppose that they are not capable of fun, thus it must just be instinct?

They may very well be having fun, but sex to most lower animals is just a compulsion, driven by preprogrammed instinct. Even puppies will hump your leg. The hormones controlling sex are disturbed, leading to confusion. Female rats begin mounting other female rat (or male rats. Point is, they become dominant) and a male rat gets confused about it's goal of what to hump. These subjects do no reproduce, and darwins kicks them out of the gene pool. However, this leads to the question of why it still continues to exist.

Some food for thought: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993008

And no, I'm not anywhere near a biologist. My goal is to be a physicist, but I'm just scientifically literate in most fields.

The entire point of sex is evolution, but evolution is no more.

Inorder for evolution to continue, we would all have to become Nazis and start killing of inferior people - which'd be bad.

The only other alternative would be genetic engineering, but you can be pretty much guaranteed we'd mess that up (because who decides what path evolution should follow?)

In the Ancient world, homesexuality was a crime against nature - but nature is dead so that's no longer a problem.

So, as I see it we have 2 choices. We can quite the whole sex thing, or acknowledge that it's pointless and start doing it a lot more for fun.
lol, i love it when people without any grasp of evolutionary theory try to use evolution to justify their points.

crack open a Bio101 book before you play, kiddo.

If sex is unnecessary, then i have nothing to live for...




lol
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:D Very true. Maybe if the world was ruled by more women than men we wouldn't be blowing up so many Middle-Eastern nations.

Nah, if women ruled the world, a different country would be nuked every 28 days.

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The entire point of sex is evolution


That, or the survival of the speices. :roll:

Nazi's are dead? Since when?

anyways just to add in my 2 cents even with technology evolution really isn't dead even though it probably is going slower because we invent things to make up for our disadvanyages instead of waiting millions of years. What really would be happening now though really wouldn't be evolution. It would be more adaptation since you are reacting to very little diffrences in enviroment like lets say black skin to prevent you from burning if you had lived in Africa for millions of years.

Evolution is when you change your whole form. When you become an entirly diffrent species of animal, that is evolution. I don't think that could ever happen to humans unless we lived in space without artificial gravity. If that where to happen alot of things would change and make us not really human anymore. You would grow taller, alot taller because gravity wouldn't prevent you from growing. Your bones, and muscles would permanently weaken after thousands of years because there is no need for strong ones. I would wager you could be almost literally as skinny as a stick you would need only a thin strand of muscle to lift anything in deep space. Your eyes would adapt so you could see things easier in space unless you had artificial lighting. Your hair would be gone (which will happen in 500 years anyways). Maybe you finger nails (would you need them in space?). You would also get very pale because a spaceship would block radiation so you really wouldn't need to much melonen.

Well there's what i think.

Sweden has two major Nationalistic parties, they are training a private army in secret.

They plan to overthrow the government.

They have supplies from Germany.

A German is in command of the Private Army...

So don't come and say that the nazis is dead. It's just a question of time until Sweden is a Nazi Nation.

Culture is in fact genetically controlled(emergent behavior) and as such it follows would run parallel. And the genetic basis of it will always remain.

No, it's not. Hence the struggle in any society between immigrant families and their children. The parents try to instil the cultural mores they grew up with in their kids, while their kids tend to adopt the culture of the country in which they were born.

If culture was genetically controlled then cultural change would only happen on an evolutionary timescale, because it could only come about through random mutation of one individual's "cultural genes", which they would then have to pass on to their offspring. Culture is acquired behaviour. It has nothing to do with your genes.

Amen to that...

Dude, sex is fun. It'd suck if we just had babies by wanking in a jar and then letting some dude put it in a woman with a turkey baster.

Hell, I'd welcome a world where women ruled and we men were just kept for our seed. It just might make it a better place.



i don't know they'd probably make us haul stuff ;)

So explain this too me... I believe in evolution, its what got us hear, although I believe in evolution with god, in order to not start a religion war I'll stop talking about my believes and move to the point.

The point is that, how are all the people that are saying evolution is still working NOW, then go out and find a rather pretty girl to have sex with? How is that truly helping the human race? Sure, were making more pretty people... who are arrogant, stupid, selfish, and don't know how to work a toaster. Yeah, thats bettering our species greatly. But my question is... in peacocks, the one with a better display of their feathers gets to mate... so have humans evolved from choosing, even if it was by force, or from parents, the "best" mate to the "better looking?" If you ask me humans really just have sex because their like peacocks (in a proverbial way mind you, I'm not ACTUALLY calling anyone a peacock) not for the bettering of their species or evolution, saying, ironically, we've evolved away from evolution, but because one female (or male) is showing a better display of their "feathers" then the other.