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World Conquest Through World Jewish Government

Decisive Action
14-08-2004, 06:05
THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION



http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

Visiting "The Protocols"

TABLE OF CONTENTS


Preface
Introduction
Who are the Elders?
Protocol I The Basic Doctrine
Protocol II Economic Wars
Protocol III Methods of Conquest
Protocol IV Materialism Replaces Religion
Protocol V Despotism and Modern Progress
Protocol VI Take-Over Technique
Protocol VII World-Wide Wars
Protocol VIII Provisional Government
Protocol IX Re-education
Protocol X Preparing for Power
Protocol XI The Totalitarian State
Protocol XII Control of the Press
Protocol XIII Distractions
Protocol XIV Assault on Religion
Protocol XV Ruthless Suppression
Protocol XVI Brainwashing
Protocol XVII Abuse of Authority
Protocol XVIII Arrest of Opponents
Protocol XIX Rulers and People
Protocol XX Financial Programme
Protocol XXI Loans and Credit
Protocol XXII Power of Gold
Protocol XXIII Instilling Obedience
Protocol XXIV Qualities of the Ruler

Back to Table of Contents/ . . .
PREFACE
(Translated by Victor E. Marsden)
The author of this translation of the famous Protocols was himself a victim of the Revolution. He had lived for many years in Russia and was married to a Russian lady. Among his other activities in Russia he had been for a number of years a Russian Correspondent of the MORNING POST, a position which he occupied when the Revolution broke out, and his vivid descriptions of events in Russia will still be in the recollection of many of the readers of that Journal. Naturally he was singled out for the anger of the Soviet. On the day that Captain Cromie was murdered by Jews, Victor Marsden was arrested and thrown into the Peter-Paul Prison, expecting every day to have his name called out for execution. This, however, he escaped, and eventually he was allowed to return to England very much of a wreck in bodily health. However, he recovered under treatment and the devoted care of his wife and friends. One of the first things he undertook, as soon as he was able, was this translation of the Protocols. Mr. Marsden was eminently well qualified for the work. His intimate acquaintance with Russia, Russian life and the Russian language on the one hand, and his mastery of a terse literary English style on the other, placed him in a position of advantage which few others could claim. The consequence is that we have in his version an eminently readable work, and though the subject-matter is somewhat formless, Mr. Marsden's literary touch reveals the thread running through the twenty-four Protocols.

It may be said with truth that this work was carried out at the cost of Mr. Marsden's own life's blood. He told the writer of this Preface that he could not stand more than an hour at a time of his work on it in the British Museum, as the diabolical spirit of the matter which he was obliged to turn into English made him positively ill.

Mr. Marsden's connection with the MORNING POST was not severed by his return to England, and he was well enough to accept the post of special correspondent of that journal in the suite of H.R.H., the Prince of Wales on his Empire tour. From this he returned with the Prince, apparently in much better health, but within a few days of his landing he was taken suddenly ill, and died after a very brief illness.

May this work be his crowning monument! In it he has performed an immense service to the English-speaking world, and there can be little doubt that it will take its place in the first rank of the English versions of "THE PROTOCOLS of the Meetings of the LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION."
Sdaeriji
14-08-2004, 06:08
Everyone remember the Nazi influx last year around this time?
The Sword and Sheild
14-08-2004, 06:09
You know, no one is actually reading any of the junk your posting, so could you at least keep it to one thread instead of bumping off more important ones.
Presgreif
14-08-2004, 06:10
The Protocols of Zion were proven to be a fabrication years ago. Deal with it.
Decisive Action
14-08-2004, 06:12
The Protocols of Zion were proven to be a fabrication years ago. Deal with it.

Just because jews scream "Oy vey, it's fake", until they turn blue, doesn't make it so.
Presgreif
14-08-2004, 06:13
Could someone please ban this reject?
The Island of Rose
14-08-2004, 06:15
He's worse then FWS, oy vey :p
Undecidedterritory
14-08-2004, 06:15
yet another conspiracy theory. Im gonna go talk to elvis on a ufo later after I fake another moon landing and sink the titinic for money while paying off the mob to kill president kennedy. be back later..........
Denbighshire
14-08-2004, 06:17
The Home Office of the Constitutional Monarchy of Denbighshire roundly condemns the racist, libelous texts preceded herein, and encourages all other nations to do the same.

Prime Minister Roberts respectfully reminds the World Community that such texts were used as an excuse and pretence for genocide, and would not be above introducing a Draft Resolution before the United Nations outlawing threatening and hateful speech and forms of expression.

If general consent exists for such a Draft Resolution, it shall be proposed post-haste.
The Island of Rose
14-08-2004, 06:17
yet another conspiracy theory. Im gonna go talk to elvis on a ufo later after I fake another moon landing and sink the titinic for money while paying off the mob to kill president kennedy. be back later..........

LMAO!!!1111ONE!!111SHIFT+1!!1
New Astrolia
14-08-2004, 06:22
I think we should be able to take a vote on wether we can ban someone or not.
Undecidedterritory
14-08-2004, 06:22
indeed
Sdaeriji
14-08-2004, 06:23
I think we should be able to take a vote on wether we can ban someone or not.

Yeah, but there are people we may hate that haven't done anything to get booted.
Undecidedterritory
14-08-2004, 06:23
but it must be someone who is truely ofensive not merely radical
Sdaeriji
14-08-2004, 06:25
but it must be someone who is truely ofensive not merely radical

Well, we'd run the risk of just booting people who were offensive without breaking the rules. It'd be tyranny of the majority, banning anyone who was an asshole. That's why we have the mods. They're like the Supreme Court of NationStates.
Undecidedterritory
14-08-2004, 06:38
who appointed them fidel castro or jimmy carter? I have trouble telling sometimes.
Ernst_Rohm
14-08-2004, 06:42
Everyone remember the Nazi influx last year around this time?
it this time of year when our cloning vats rippen and the new crop is released. they are a bit feisty at first until we get them calmed down, then they go into deep cover as sleepers until the day of the sword.
Decisive Action
14-08-2004, 06:44
it this time of year when our cloning vats rippen and the new crop is released. they are a bit feisty at first until we get them calmed down, then they go into deep cover as sleepers until the day of the sword.



Day of the rope, not sword. You need to read the TD again. :D
Sdaeriji
14-08-2004, 06:46
it this time of year when our cloning vats rippen and the new crop is released. they are a bit feisty at first until we get them calmed down, then they go into deep cover as sleepers until the day of the sword.

Heh.
Ernst_Rohm
14-08-2004, 06:49
Day of the rope, not sword. You need to read the TD again. :D
i thought it was becoming a bit cliched, there's a wp band called day of the sword so i figured it'd work.

td is okay but it completely glosses over the fundimental issue of government infiltration with wishful thinking and psychobabble.
Ernst_Rohm
14-08-2004, 06:51
Heh.

nevermind, forget i mentioned the odessa cloning vats in argentina, everyone knows they are an urban legend...
Decisive Action
14-08-2004, 06:51
i thought it was becoming a bit cliched, there's a wp band called day of the sword so i figured it'd work.

td is okay but it completely glosses over the fundimental issue of government infiltration with wishful thinking and psychobabble.

It also largely ignores the issues of the masses of whites rising up when they're destitute, poor, starving, etc.

Also there are something like 200,000-300,000 whites in right-wing paramilitary militias. They'll come in handy during the rw. :)

And let's not leave out the idea of forging an alliance with muslims groups, as we share numerous similiar goals with them.
Baikal
14-08-2004, 06:54
And let's not leave out the idea of forging an alliance with muslims groups, as we share numerous similiar goals with them.



i thought you nazi ppl considered them as subcockroach monkeys? haha, anyway that wont happen cause you people are fat ass lazy slobs.


Edit: thanks to our control over the media
Ernst_Rohm
14-08-2004, 06:55
It also largely ignores the issues of the masses of whites rising up when they're destitute, poor, starving, etc.

Also there are something like 200,000-300,000 whites in right-wing paramilitary militias. They'll come in handy during the rw. :)

And let's not leave out the idea of forging an alliance with muslims groups, as we share numerous similiar goals with them.
its definitely a bit vanguardist
Decisive Action
14-08-2004, 06:57
i thought you nazi ppl considered them as subcockroach monkeys? haha, anyway that wont happen cause you people are fat ass lazy slobs.


Edit: thanks to our control over the media


Not this mean, lean, white male here. :D
I don't eat your poison fast food and I don't drink your poison colas. I drink primarily purified water.
Baikal
14-08-2004, 06:59
Not this mean, lean, white male here. :D
I don't eat your poison fast food and I don't drink your poison colas. I drink primarily purified water.


bullshit, we control your aspect of life, just admit inferior amer.
Filamai
14-08-2004, 10:54
Nazis! I hate these guys!

Reminds me of some of NS's earlier days. Ahhh nostaligia.

That doesn't make me feel much better though, make with some Nuremburg action!
Bodies Without Organs
14-08-2004, 11:04
i thought you nazi ppl considered them as subcockroach monkeys?

Nah. There was at least two Muslim SS Divisions in WWII - the Bosnian Hanjar/Handschar Division and the Albanian Skanderbeg Division.
Chikyota
14-08-2004, 11:05
Nazis! I hate these guys!

Reminds me of some of NS's earlier days. Ahhh nostaligia.

That doesn't make me feel much better though, make with some Nuremburg action!

Dear god, a 2002 member! I thought those nations were all but extinct now. Kudos to you for living this long.

I too remember the nazi problem back in the earlier days. Threads like this make me miss the Beeker Anti-Nazi Brigade.
Bodies Without Organs
14-08-2004, 11:08
Threads like this make me miss the Beeker Anti-Nazi Brigade.

I remember them. I also remember that they were about as effective as the Polish cavalry charges against the German tanks.
Proletariat Comrades
14-08-2004, 12:07
And let's not leave out the idea of forging an alliance with muslims groups, as we share numerous similiar goals with them.

Funny how we seem to be bombing each other at the moment... "numerous similar goals", indeed...

I can't think of a proper word to describe you, DA. You're just so far out there that you make Hale-Bopp's orbit look close to the sun...
Vonners
14-08-2004, 12:20
I see we have yet another racist moron.

So in good nation states style I am sure the sad little scrote will realise that most people will not brook racist thuggery

Mongoose Spatula realised and gave up as have a number of other idiots.

You, Mr Decisive are just one of a long line and to be quite frank posting this crap makes you one of the lesser players. For that read stupid.
Bodies Without Organs
14-08-2004, 12:23
Let's not be nasty to the Nazi now, we wouldn't want to be breaking any forum rules ourselves would we? After all, its always just been a matter of time before...
Vonners
14-08-2004, 12:27
Let's not be nasty to the Nazi now, we wouldn't want to be breaking any forum rules ourselves would we? After all, its always just been a matter of time before...

I was just warming up! :)

How are you? Its been a long time....
Mr Basil Fawlty
14-08-2004, 12:31
Nah. There was at least two Muslim SS Divisions in WWII - the Bosnian Hanjar/Handschar Division and the Albanian Skanderbeg Division.

To be precise: XXI Gebirgsdivision (mountain division) der waffen SS "Skanderberg" witch had the Albanian Eagle as SS weaponshield. Never had the amount of men of a real Div.

and

XIII SS-Gebirgsdiv. "Handschar" with weaponshield a Arrab sword. The men hat a Fez (Egypt style hat) with the SS runen on it. They had imans in their regiments. Lots of their units under command of officers of former Habsburg units. But this division was seen as very mediocre and it never had the amount of men to speak from a real Div. and the Germans were not happy about their performance. After a mutiny in France, she returned to Yugoslavia were she only fought against Orthodox Christians and was more involved in killing and terror against the civilians then in real anti partisan war.

Late 1944, Himmler disbanded both Divisions, regarding their poor quality. After this, their place in the antipartisan actions was taken over by German units.
_Susa_
14-08-2004, 13:30
That is pitiful.
Universalist Totality
14-08-2004, 13:36
Why hasn't this thread been locked? I don't understand...
Pispapiuppa
14-08-2004, 13:40
There are not enough Jews in the world to control it. I'd like to see someone explain exactly HOW the Jews have maintained this stranglehold over the world for so long considering how outnumbered and overpowered they are by other groups, many of whom have much stronger in-group loyalties than the Jews.
Almighty Kerenor
14-08-2004, 13:53
Dammit. Boy, you sure got us now. :eek:
Yes, we were planning to take over the world, right after we'll finish eating that Christian kid we crucified last week, and rape that blond aryan good German girl.

No use trying to argue with people like you... oh well. Enjoy.
Berkylvania
14-08-2004, 14:02
Hmmm...

No new information or reasoning, just cut and paste.

No real debate.

Multiple postings by the same person exhibiting these characteristics (meaningful look at Decisive Action).

Hence, I am inspired by your name and the "Decisive Action" I'm taking is an update to my ignore list. Chao!
Bodies Without Organs
14-08-2004, 22:03
How are you? Its been a long time....

Oh, you know the usual, still some bodies without any organs... still saying ¡No Pasarán! to the Neo-Nazis.

And your good self?
The Force Majeure
14-08-2004, 22:13
Hell...if a group with so few people manages to "take over" the world - more power to them.
Bodies Without Organs
14-08-2004, 22:16
Hell...if a group with so few people manages to "take over" the world - more power to them.

The non-existent Learned Elders of Zion or the unfortunately existent Neo-Nazis?
The Force Majeure
15-08-2004, 02:05
The Neo-Nazis? The poor kids who got picked on a bit much in highschool?
Druthulhu
15-08-2004, 02:22
Everyone remember the Nazi influx last year around this time?

Yeah this is about the time that they all get fired from their summer jobs.
QahJoh
15-08-2004, 02:57
Just because jews scream "Oy vey, it's fake", until they turn blue, doesn't make it so.

Wrong, numnutz.

http://www.rotten.com/library/hoaxes/zion-protocols/

For the record, The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion was proven to be a fake as far back as 1921. That year, a newspaper article in the London Times traced the meat of the book back to a plagiarization of a plagiarization of a work whose original target was Napoleon Bonaparte. The ultimate source, published in 1864, was titled Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavelli et Montesquieu ("Discussions Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu in Hell"). The book was a satirical commentary on Napoleon's insatiable lust for world domination. No Jews whatsoever appear in the story.

That work was just plain ripped off in 1868 by German novelist Hermann Goedsche, who took out all of the Napoleon references and replaced him with the Jews. His book, To Sedan, contains a chapter called "The Jewish Cemetery in Prague and the Council of Representatives of the Twelve Tribes of Israel." It describes a centennial meeting between the Devil and the upper echelons of world Jewry. This section was extracted in 1891 and repackaged as a nonfiction essay titled "The Rabbi's Speech," which became the primary source for The Protocols.

The end product was cobbled together in 1895 by an officer of the Russian secret police, Pytor Ivanovich Rachovsky. The book was conceived as propaganda, calculated to rally the Russian citizenry behind the Czar as he took whatever steps would be necessary to fend off the ubiquitous Jewish-Masonic threat.

A plagirization of a plagirization, and you STILL stand by it. That takes some pretty impressive "sticking-fingers-in-ears-and yelling-I'm-not-listenting" abilities, even for you morons.

But despite its age, its thoroughly-debunked origins, and most of all its completely preposterous tale, this lousy fake is still popular the world over. Recently, the book has become a sensation in the Arab world. In 2002, Egyptian television broadcasted a 41-episode miniseries called "Horseman without a Horse." This late-19th-century period piece follows the courageous Arabs who discover The Protocols and, despite Zionist opposition, translate and circulate the book to the rest of the world. Egyptian TV broadcasted the episodes daily throughout the month of Ramadan, thereby capitalizing on a huge captive audience.

If you read just one classic work of Jew-baiting propaganda this year, make it The Protocols.

Loser. :upyours:
Tenete Traditiones
15-08-2004, 03:03
As flawed as National Socialism ala Hitler is, the threat the Jews pose to the world is undeniable. Jews control the media of every western nation as well as the United Nations, Jewropean Union, and Israel's personal slave, the USA.
If the Nazis had won WWII, perhaps things would be better, but much work would still be needed. Today is our biggest challenge as the parasites continue to strangle their hosts, the White nations of the world.
Bodies Without Organs
15-08-2004, 03:26
Jews control the media of every western nation as well as the United Nations, Jewropean Union, and Israel's personal slave, the USA.

Two things:
1. You seem to be suggesting that the USA isn't a western nation.
2. If the Jews control the media in every western nation, then they must by definition control the media in the Vatican City (as it is a western nation). Really?
Proletariat Comrades
15-08-2004, 03:48
I don't know why you people waste your time taking this guy seriously. I think he's funny.
Letila
16-08-2004, 00:30
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/data.jpg
Berkman!
Don't you get it?
Superpower07
16-08-2004, 01:02
Stupid NeoNazi! Feel the wrath of a Gundam you stupid racist swine!!! You deserve to be put through your own concentration camps!!!

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/FreedomGundam-01.gif
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 01:07
I don't know why you people waste your time taking this guy seriously. I think he's funny.

It's sort of hard to find the humor in someone mocking your family's murder.
Letila
16-08-2004, 01:22
Speaking of Gundam, am I the only person who notices that the neonazis' view of themselves sounds like coördinators?
Proletariat Comrades
16-08-2004, 01:30
It's sort of hard to find the humor in someone mocking your family's murder.

Okay, you and those in your situation have a right to take it seriously (well, I suppose everybody has that right, but I can understand your reasons for it more). Still, he's such an idiot... I almost feel we're giving him what he wants by replying to his spam...
Garaj Mahal
16-08-2004, 01:34
Could someone please ban this reject?

Fully agreed. C'mon Mods do your job!

Zero tolerance to Nazis, racists, woman-haters and homophobes. Attacking others for how they're born deserves no protection from free-speech advocates.

Many of us have relatives/ancestors who fought & died in Europe battling the cancer of Nazi-ism - including some of the snot-nosed brats who laughingly espouse it here now. My father spent 3 years in a Stalag for bombing Germany - many of his friends never made it back here.

Shame on "Divisive Asshole" and other neo-Nazis here who dishonour our war dead and wounded. If I ever get my hands on someone like you they'll feel a lot of pain I assure you.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 01:49
Fully agreed. C'mon Mods do your job!

Zero tolerance to Nazis, racists, woman-haters and homophobes. Attacking others for how they're born deserves no protection from free-speech advocates.

Nazism, racism and (politically motivated) misogyny and homophobia are all up for discussion here: if you're can't convincingly argue as to why all of them are societal dead-ends and extremely counterproductive, then you probably need to reassess your own assumptions, rather than calling for the gagging of those who espouse them.

Many of us have relatives/ancestors who fought & died in Europe battling the cancer of Nazi-ism - including some of the snot-nosed brats who laughingly espouse it here now. My father spent 3 years in a Stalag for bombing Germany - many of his friends never made it back here.

I'm sure that some of us posting here had ancestors/relations that were fighting on the other side. Your statement has no political weight.

Shame on "Divisive Asshole" and other neo-Nazis here who dishonour our war dead and wounded. If I ever get my hands on someone like you you'll feel a lot of pain I assure you.


Hmm. Who here just threatened a NS user with violence? Was it the neo-Nazi, or was it one of the board's concerned citizens? Not a particularly wise thing to be doing. Don't let the neo-Nazis posting here rile you: they are making no converts and their posts serve only to show their general lack of intellectual rigour and to strengthen the resolve of those who oppose them.

When it comes to most of the neo-Nazis that have posted here in the past it has been a case of just give them enough rope, and they'll hang themselves.
Ashmoria
16-08-2004, 01:55
the sad thing is they they are just role playing
they come in and offend people just for kicks
thats just wrong
Salamae
16-08-2004, 01:57
Zero tolerance to Nazis, racists, woman-haters and homophobes. Attacking others for how they're born deserves no protection from free-speech advocates.

So zero tolerance for the intolerant? Doesn't that just end up banning people who want zero tolerance?

No, the sad truth of free speech is the freedom to say anything you damn well please.

A wise man knows he is an idiot; it takes a fool to tell everyone else.
Proletariat Comrades
16-08-2004, 01:57
Excellent, BWO! Remember, everyone, we can't effectively argue against someone, much less ask to have him/her banned, unless our own conduct is civil.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 01:59
the sad thing is they they are just role playing
they come in and offend people just for kicks
thats just wrong

Some probably are, I'm pretty sure that some are not - unless you mean 'role playing' as in 'playing the big bully man in life as well as on this board'. Yes, I do actually believe that some of these people have as firm a conviction in some of the things they post here on this board as we have in our deeply held convictions.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 02:02
Excellent, BWO! Remember, everyone, we can't effectively argue against someone, much less ask to have him/her banned, unless our own conduct is civil.

Let me just say that I had an experience with another board where someone in a moment of emotion made the semi-facetious comment 'Its face-stabbing time' in connection with their plans to protest a neo-Nazi/white power rally. This did not go unnoticed by the neo-Nazis and became a stick with which to beat the board users.
Garaj Mahal
16-08-2004, 02:17
In Canada our Constitution specifically prohibits "Hateful Communication Against Identifiable Groups". It's intent is specifically to curtail the poisonous propaganda of Nazi types which serves no purpose.

Curtailing the speech-freedom of Nazis *increases* the freedom and safety of everybody else in a society. It's like curtailing the freedom of somebody who chooses to wildly swing a baseball bat in a crowded elevator; it benefits everybody.

Certain Neo-Nazis from the U.S. have tried to speak or publish in Canada, and have been effectively stopped from doing so. All right-thinking Canadians applaud this.

As a Canadian, I feel our society is actually *more* free than in the U.S., because we don't have to worry as much about the social harm Nazis cause. People of all races and sexual orientations are far more free and better off here. They can even get elected to the highest political offices and courts.
Salamae
16-08-2004, 02:21
All right-thinking Canadians applaud this.

Who determines who these people are again?
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 02:23
Okay, you and those in your situation have a right to take it seriously (well, I suppose everybody has that right, but I can understand your reasons for it more). Still, he's such an idiot... I almost feel we're giving him what he wants by replying to his spam...

I feel that what most of these idiots want, more than anything, is attention. If I knew that no one was reading their threads, I'd just ignore them.

Unfortunately, many impressionable people (particularly teens) are likely to read their threads, and if no one responds to refute their claims, it is possible that they might be swayed by the bullshit and venom spewed by these jackasses.

I should know. It happened to me.

I don't mind wasting my time or giving these douchebags what they want if I can keep some kids from thinking the Talmud says Jews can have sex with three-year-olds, or that the Holocaust didn't happen.

It's a small sacrifice I'm willing to make.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 02:26
Curtailing the speech-freedom of Nazis *increases* the freedom and safety of everybody else in a society. It's like curtailing the freedom of somebody who chooses to wildly swing a baseball bat in a crowded elevator; it benefits everybody.

I fail to see how censoring someone else increase my freedom: does it create a wider range of options that I am able to pursure? The only way it increases my freedom is in the sense of 'freedom from', and that 'freedom from' can equally validly be applied to instances such as hearing Nazi rhetoric, seeing hardcore pornography, or the turmoil of deciding how I should vote in an election.

Explain to me how my freedom is increased by censoring others, please?

As a Canadian, I feel our society is actually *more* free than in the U.S., because we don't have to worry as much about the social harm Nazis cause. People of all races and sexual orientations are far more free and better off here. They can even get elected to the highest political offices and courts.

Your second paragraph makes the assumption that merely depriving a politically motivated group the right to speak removes their threat: has this worked in Germany since WWII? Did the broadcast limitations on Sinn Fein in the UK in the 80s lessen their support, or the effectiveness of those for whom they spoke? Did the censorship of dissident voices in the USSR stem the tide?
Salamae
16-08-2004, 02:30
More importantly, censorship worked wonders for the Nazis themselves. And they certainly said they were "right-thinking" people keeping the commies and the jews from polluting innocent minds. Free speech and public activism is the only way to stop extremists like the Nazis from rising again.
Ernst_Rohm
16-08-2004, 02:55
Certain Neo-Nazis from the U.S. have tried to speak or publish in Canada, and have been effectively stopped from doing so. All right-thinking Canadians applaud this.



yeah and all right thinking germans supported to relocation of the jews to the east, and all the right thinking chinese supported the cultural revolution, and all right thinking iraqis voted for saddam in the last election.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 02:58
yeah and all right thinking germans supported to relocation of the jews to the east, and all the right thinking chinese supported the cultural revolution, and all right thinking iraqis voted for saddam in the last election.

You owe me for a new Irony Detector: your posting that under that name just caused the needle to fly off the dial and become embedded in my bedroom wall.
Ernst_Rohm
16-08-2004, 03:01
You owe me for a new Irony Detector: your posting that under that name just caused the needle to fly off the dial and become embedded in my bedroom wall.


to quote myself, "irony is decadent intellectualism"
Garaj Mahal
16-08-2004, 03:47
All I can say to the above is this: It seems to me that in the U.S., Nazi viewpoints are now heard so frequently that they are now considered just another political choice, a perfectly legitimate part of the American political fabric. Such legitimacy is what Nazis have been working for and they appear to have succeeded. That's optics of it from here anyway.

Remember the phrase "All that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing". Well, standing by and allowing Nazi-ism to gain a legitimate veneer by letting it thrive under the protection of Free Speech falls under this.

In Canada, Nazi-ism is still considered so rare, oddball & freakish that most of us don't give it much of a thought. We even tend to now think of Nazi-ism as something emitting from America. It would shame me greatly if I were an American knowing my country was now the world's major source of this mental cancer. Obviously censorship cannot kill Nazi-ism, but I believe depriving it of a voice can greatly help to control its growth.

To those who keep saying that to censor Nazi-ism is "just as bad" as other forms of censorship are practicing a sick form of moral relativism. Nazi-ism is NOT just another valid public viewpoint; it is a special disease which requires special proscriptions.
Ernst_Rohm
16-08-2004, 03:54
In Canada, Nazi-ism is still considered so rare, oddball & freakish that most of us don't give it much of a thought. We even tend to now think of Nazi-ism as something emitting from America. It would shame me greatly if I were an American knowing my country was now the world's major source of this mental cancer. Obviously censorship cannot kill Nazi-ism, but I believe depriving it of a voice can greatly help to control its growth.


actually they are much more poltically powerful in europe where they are under the same style of censorship as canada, than they are in the united states. as for their strength in canada, all i can say is that there are a huge number of nazi bands in canada so unless every white nationalist up north is in a band they must be fairly big.
Garaj Mahal
16-08-2004, 04:37
there are a huge number of nazi bands in canada so unless every white nationalist up north is in a band they must be fairly big.

This is news to me. I wonder how many bands there really are, or whether the same small core just keep re-naming themselves? It's been said many times that the total number of active Nazis in Canada are just a tiny handful. Most are misguided boys who want attention/shock value and grow out of this idiocy before too long. Largely because Nazi-ism is quite un-sexy and after awhile they prefer to have girls like them.
Communist Mississippi
16-08-2004, 18:21
In Canada our Constitution specifically prohibits "Hateful Communication Against Identifiable Groups". It's intent is specifically to curtail the poisonous propaganda of Nazi types which serves no purpose.

Curtailing the speech-freedom of Nazis *increases* the freedom and safety of everybody else in a society. It's like curtailing the freedom of somebody who chooses to wildly swing a baseball bat in a crowded elevator; it benefits everybody.

Certain Neo-Nazis from the U.S. have tried to speak or publish in Canada, and have been effectively stopped from doing so. All right-thinking Canadians applaud this.

As a Canadian, I feel our society is actually *more* free than in the U.S., because we don't have to worry as much about the social harm Nazis cause. People of all races and sexual orientations are far more free and better off here. They can even get elected to the highest political offices and courts.


So is this like in the UK where an arab rapper can make "Kill whitey" music, but a white man cannot even make white nationalist music?

The laws are only enforced against whites eh?




http://www.brandonblog.com/Graphic-Iraq-war-Video.html


Second one down, stop the first one which starts automatically, scroll down, play second one.

Produced in England where laws supposedly prohibit material deemed "likely to incite racial, religious, or ethnic strife."
Communist Mississippi
16-08-2004, 18:23
Obviously censorship cannot kill Nazi-ism, but I believe depriving it of a voice can greatly help to control its growth.




Yes, when you cannot debate something, just ban it! That's not communist/marxist in the least!
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 18:24
So is this like in the UK where an arab rapper can make "Kill whitey" music, but a white man cannot even make white nationalist music?


Come watch the Orange Parades in Northern Ireland with me and tell me that a white man cannot make white nationalist music in the UK.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:37
In Canada our Constitution specifically prohibits "Hateful Communication Against Identifiable Groups". It's intent is specifically to curtail the poisonous propaganda of Nazi types which serves no purpose.

Curtailing the speech-freedom of Nazis *increases* the freedom and safety of everybody else in a society. It's like curtailing the freedom of somebody who chooses to wildly swing a baseball bat in a crowded elevator; it benefits everybody.

Certain Neo-Nazis from the U.S. have tried to speak or publish in Canada, and have been effectively stopped from doing so. All right-thinking Canadians applaud this.

As a Canadian, I feel our society is actually *more* free than in the U.S., because we don't have to worry as much about the social harm Nazis cause. People of all races and sexual orientations are far more free and better off here. They can even get elected to the highest political offices and courts.


This is the next step if we allow our social marxist democracies to continue!
This communist with an Indian name has stated outright what goals of the Jewish government are!
CSW
16-08-2004, 18:39
This is the next step if we allow our social marxist democracies to continue!
This communist with an Indian name has stated outright what goals of the Jewish government are!
Not letting people like you spew hate speach and empty rhetoric? I'd rather have a jewish controlled government then have to listen to morons like you.
Decisive Action
16-08-2004, 18:43
Not letting people like you spew hate speach and empty rhetoric? I'd rather have a jewish controlled government then have to listen to morons like you.


You've already got a jewish government!


You're a traitor to your own people.
CSW
16-08-2004, 18:45
You've already got a jewish government!


You're a traitor to your own people.
And those people would be?
Decisive Action
16-08-2004, 18:46
And those people would be?


The White race. But you've about as much white in you as a Zulu tribal in Africa, you're not white any longer. Once you go black, we don't want you back!
CSW
16-08-2004, 18:52
The White race. But you've about as much white in you as a Zulu tribal in Africa, you're not white any longer. Once you go black, we don't want you back!
Okay?
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 19:13
The White race. But you've about as much white in you as a Zulu tribal in Africa, you're not white any longer. Once you go black, we don't want you back!

Yeah, and I bet he's REEEEAL broken up about that. :rolleyes:
CSW
16-08-2004, 19:24
Yeah, and I bet he's REEEEAL broken up about that. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I cried :(
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 19:35
Not letting people like you spew hate speach and empty rhetoric? I'd rather have a jewish controlled government then have to listen to morons like you.
Being the Zionist slave that you are, of course you do.
Goed
16-08-2004, 23:11
Oooooh, oooh, can I stop being white too? Really, it kinda bugs me. I'm looking more for an asian look, you know? I mean, I'm sorry, but this cracker shit isn't doing it for me.

Out of curiosity, if GOD HATES BLACK PEOPLE! and GOD HATES JEWS!, where to latinos and asians stand? I just wanna know, since you don't want me back, how much I'm hated. Is it only half hated? Or are they grouped with the others?
CSW
16-08-2004, 23:12
Being the Zionist slave that you are, of course you do.
Yeah, I sorta do follow the Zionists. Sorry, but my jewish overlords are calling, I'll be back later.
Lesser-Sozy
16-08-2004, 23:45
You know these white supremacists and Neo-Nazis are a shame in their existence, they are or have abused and misunderstood all Germanic cultures. They have made it a shame to say "I am of Germanic ancestry" or "I am a follower Asatruar", secondly they're not open to other cultures. Have you ever heard that cultures can add something to other cultures?
Really being white doesn't make anywhere near supreme, you'r not only wrong for "the white race" but for (human) life as a whole.
But now I need to join my friend to the synagogue.
The Holy Word
17-08-2004, 11:25
In Canada, Nazi-ism is still considered so rare, oddball & freakish that most of us don't give it much of a thought. We even tend to now think of Nazi-ism as something emitting from America. It would shame me greatly if I were an American knowing my country was now the world's major source of this mental cancer. Obviously censorship cannot kill Nazi-ism, but I believe depriving it of a voice can greatly help to control its growth.

To those who keep saying that to censor Nazi-ism is "just as bad" as other forms of censorship are practicing a sick form of moral relativism. Nazi-ism is NOT just another valid public viewpoint; it is a special disease which requires special proscriptions.No. It's entirely ineffective. That's the main argument against censorship of fascist viewpoints. (They're not all nazis either. The first step in opposing your enemies effectively is to understand their ideology).

Let me just say that I had an experience with another board where someone in a moment of emotion made the semi-facetious comment 'Its face-stabbing time' in connection with their plans to protest a neo-Nazi/white power rally. This did not go unnoticed by the neo-Nazis and became a stick with which to beat the board users. While I acknowledge that sort of macho posteuring isn't particuarly useful, I think a kneejerk pacifism is also as much of a danger. When Decisive Action's claiming a war is coming because he's seen it, I don't think there's much harm in pointing out to him that there's a reason his racial comrades in the BNP gave up street activities. They lost.
Superpower07
17-08-2004, 12:00
The White race. But you've about as much white in you as a Zulu tribal in Africa, you're not white any longer. Once you go black, we don't want you back!

Now I have proof you are a white supremacist. You should learn more about your history - go read Stupid White Men by Michael Moore - many of my uber-liberal friends got a kick out of it
Misfitasia
17-08-2004, 17:26
Just because jews scream "Oy vey, it's fake", until they turn blue, doesn't make it so.

And just because some people throw temper tantrum after temper tantrum "Yes, it's real, yes, it's real, yes, it's real" doesn't make that so either.
Misfitasia
17-08-2004, 17:30
nevermind, forget i mentioned the odessa cloning vats in argentina, everyone knows they are an urban legend...

What do you mean "urban legend"? They were in last week's National Tabloid, so they have to be real.
Misfitasia
17-08-2004, 17:32
Not this mean, lean, white male here. :D
I don't eat your poison fast food and I don't drink your poison colas. I drink primarily purified water.

What makes you think he meant "fat, lazy slobs" physically, and not, say, mentally?
Bodies Without Organs
17-08-2004, 20:18
The White race.


Speaking of which, DA, could you provide a source or some evidence for your claim that the white race evolved from homo habilis, while all other races followed a separate lie from australopithecine? The two you provided in the other thread had absolutely nothing to do with the case you were trying to make (both were conencted to men who died 40 years before australopithecine was discovered).
Bodies Without Organs
17-08-2004, 20:23
....'Its face-stabbing time'...

While I acknowledge that sort of macho posteuring isn't particuarly useful, I think a kneejerk pacifism is also as much of a danger. When Decisive Action's claiming a war is coming because he's seen it, I don't think there's much harm in pointing out to him that there's a reason his racial comrades in the BNP gave up street activities. They lost.

I agree totally: I would not vocally advocate here that extra-legal measures be taken against neo-Nazis but... I am not a pacifist when it comes to these things.

My main point was that if posters here start throwing around malicious and threatening language in response to our good friends in the jackboots, then it is likely to be those posters themselves that face deletion.
The Holy Word
18-08-2004, 00:39
I agree totally: I would not vocally advocate here that extra-legal measures be taken against neo-Nazis but... I am not a pacifist when it comes to these things.

My main point was that if posters here start throwing around malicious and threatening language in response to our good friends in the jackboots, then it is likely to be those posters themselves that face deletion.
Agreed. I think the sort of action we're talking about can be talked about theoretically on here but it needs to be done very carefully indeed. Without wanting to sound like I'm pulling rank on anyone I think this sort of topic is better handled by experienced anti fascist activists then some of the half cocked hysteria (although I don't doubt the motives) of certain posters on this thread.