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We see so many threads here about "gays" and "straights" but very little about bisexuals.

I got to wondering about this yesterday with the news story about the New Jersey Governor who resigned due to his having a "gay affair" with another man. Yet this guy has been married to two women and fathered one child by each of them. So is he actually "gay", or is he "Bi"? Or do these labels even mean anything any more?

What little I've read about Bisexuals suggests that they are not very readily accepted by either straight people or openly gay people. Straight people seem to just view them as just gay, while some of the more strident/dogmatic gays seem to consider bisexuals as merely straights who are just "slumming" in the gay community for suspicious reasons.

Is being Bi thought to be unrespectable and even more of a taboo than being gay is?

i don't care one way or the other. i mean if someone's bi or not.

I've treated bi as it's own seperate sexual preference, but I think society refers to it as gay.

*shrug*

If they see the bi with a diff gender, they'll assume he/she is straight, no?

Errr in my books bi is the same as gay... well I mean not the same, but the way I view them is the same.

Generally the argument against gays is a moral one, so therefore, why would it affect the moral argument if that person happens to be attracted to the opposite sex too? They are still attracted to the same sex....

Besides, I think most of them are just really horny....

OK bi me.

Besides, I think most of them are just really horny....

right, let's all air our ignorance so everyone can laugh.

Actually, I know that to be the case sometimes. I've dated a few bi girls... they mostly just do it for the attention. In my experience (not universally true, of course), bisexuals, whether male or female, are straight people who don't view homosexuality as a taboo or gross, and occassionally indulge in it if it suits the situation.

Show proof to the contrary? You're showing your ignorance far more clearly in a post lacking any substance whatsoever other than to mindlessly disagree with me.

I have some friends that are bi and 2 that are gay, and many straight of course. 100% of those that are bi are total whores and try to get as much as they can (although they are still my friends, I really don't like the way they act about that....). 1 of the gay ones is... 1 isn't... and of the straight ones, maybe 1 in 7 or 8 of them acts like a total whore, although I'm not going to actually count it out....

I have some friends that are bi and 2 that are gay, and many straight of course. 100% of those that are bi are total whores and try to get as much as they can (although they are still my friends, I really don't like the way they act about that....). 1 of the gay ones is... 1 isn't... and of the straight ones, maybe 1 in 7 or 8 of them acts like a total whore, although I'm not going to actually count it out....

Hmmm. Maybe homo-sex is just more fun and has that amazing effect?

So... What about us?

100% of those that are bi are total whores and try to get as much as they can (although they are still my friends, I really don't like the way they act about that....). .... Sigh... I'm not a whore... But it's really hard to contain one's self when there are so many choices

bisexuality just gives more evidence to my case that when it isnt a physical manifestation ( as it sometimes is) the homosexual tendencies that people have are disorders of a mental nature.

Sigh!

I liked the second option... its funny...

I'm bisexual...anyone got a problem with it?

*shakes fist menacingly*

I liked the second option... its funny... It's not true.. Atleast not with me.

It's not true.. Atleast not with me.
But its so witty and clever... how can you NOT vote for it? (no sarcasm intended... really... I'm being sincere... it is celver and funny)

But its so witty and clever... how can you NOT vote for it? (no sarcasm intended... really... I'm being sincere... it is celver and funny) I'm sorry.

But its so witty and clever... how can you NOT vote for it? (no sarcasm intended... really... I'm being sincere... it is celver and funny)

I agree. It's a cute way of saying "they're straight people experimenting." Which is what I think 95% of bisexuality is. It's probably true of me.

I've questioned whether I was straight or bi... I still consider myself straight, but there is that side of me that I supress every now and then...
and then I realized that everyone is like that: everyone's a little queer, whether they like it or not.
some more than others.

i have some friends who are bi... so what?

bisexuality just gives more evidence to my case that when it isnt a physical manifestation ( as it sometimes is) the homosexual tendencies that people have are disorders of a mental nature.

You know it's only a matter of time before someone here says it's a lot more mentally healthy being not solely "oriented" to just one gender. After all there's no completely logical reason to have such a limitation is there?

don't get me wrong, I don't dislike people for being bi any more than i would like someone just because they have a normal sex life. that wouldnt make sense. I just think that society is far too obsessed with the ways of gays and bis. they are a tiny portion of the population and although I do not resent them in general I do resent the many of them that seem to want to make it known at least on the subconscience level "HEY HEY LOOK AT ME! IM GAY! LOOK AT ME , LOOK HOW GAY i AM , GIVE ME LOTS OF ATTENTION!"

I think anyone who is has a problem. that doesnt mean I hate them. I have compassion. I just resent the tyrannical attitude that america must open its arms to a society in which the normal functioning of society has just the same value as the anomolous behavior of tiny groups that act differently.

In my personal (limited) experience there are 2 types of Bi. Whores, and true-bi.

The one girl I know who I considered a true bisexual told me that she was "attracted to the person and not the gender", and thus would go out with anyone she clicked with, regardless of gender - this I have no problem with, and was her personal preference.

Every other Bi person I've met was a heterosexual person who was so freakin horny they'd take whatever they could get. This I find morally improper.

I don't discriminate against Gays, Bis or heteros, just slut-whores like my ex-girlfriend (who was heterosexual) :mp5:

morality is the glue that holds society together. Improper and bad behavior is the solvent that dissolves the glue.

don't get me wrong, I don't dislike people for being bi any more than i would like someone just because they have a normal sex life. that wouldnt make sense. I just think that society is far too obsessed with the ways of gays and bis. they are a tiny portion of the population and although I do not resent them in general I do resent the many of them that seem to want to make it known at least on the subconscience level "HEY HEY LOOK AT ME! IM GAY! LOOK AT ME , LOOK HOW GAY i AM , GIVE ME LOTS OF ATTENTION!"

I think anyone who is has a problem. that doesnt mean I hate them. I have compassion. I just resent the tyrannical attitude that america must open its arms to a society in which the normal functioning of society has just the same value as the anomolous behavior of tiny groups that act differently.

I kind of resent trendy gays too.

I'm attracted to men, I'm attracted to women... and I'm not a whore... Does that = True bi?

I kind of resent trendy gays too.

I resent "trendy" anyone.

Everyone's at least a little bi. Sex is sex no matter how you slice it. Still, I always liked the way Dennis Miller put it.

"Get down off the fence and pick a genitalia."

I'm bi. I'm not "just really horny" (I suspect my sex drive is on par with the average), nor am I unable to make up my mind. I am equally likely to be attracted to males or females, and I also don't give a whit if the individual is transgendered. However, I refuse to engage in sexual behavior with somebody to whom I don't have a bond--I am in no sense promiscuous, and without a close connection of some kind sex is ultimately boring to me.

I do not ask you to accept me for who I am...I wouldn't have anything to do with you if you wouldn't, which is my prerogative. Nor would I force you to have anything to do with me.

I merely demand fair and equal treatment under the law, and assurance that I will not be lynched for my sexuality, or kept restricted from engaging in it.

In other words, I ask only for the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I'm attracted to men, I'm attracted to women... and I'm not a whore... Does that = True bi?

yes it does.

[QUOTE=Generic empire]Everyone's at least a little bi. Sex is sex no matter how you slice it. Still, I always liked the way Dennis Miller put it.

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now that is simply not true. that is a supposition on your part that is not backed up with facts. speak for yourself.

morality is the glue that holds society together. Improper and bad behavior is the solvent that dissolves the glue.

Let me guess. You clearly know what is "improper and bad behaviour" while many others surely do not know or wilfully go against what is very obviously The True Morality.

yes it does. Sweet! Time to go Whore it up!!


Just kidding.

[QUOTE=Generic empire]Everyone's at least a little bi. Sex is sex no matter how you slice it. Still, I always liked the way Dennis Miller put it.

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now that is simply not true. that is a supposition on your part that is not backed up with facts. speak for yourself.

I am speaking for myself. I think you can assume that, seeing the fact that I said it.

no I am saying that bad behavior is not good. I am saying that it is self evident. that is why I deplore both the open practice of bisexuality and those who would do harm or be cruel to those who do for its own sake. I have my own strong feelings and they are in synch with those of society as an entirety. But I will never hurt or punish someone just because of what they do in their own lives. that would be immoral as well.

I am speaking for myself. I think you can assume that, seeing the fact that I said it.

"everyone's a little bi"

you are speaking for the entire human race..........

In my personal (limited) experience there are 2 types of Bi. Whores, and true-bi.

The one girl I know who I considered a true bisexual told me that she was "attracted to the person and not the gender", and thus would go out with anyone she clicked with, regardless of gender - this I have no problem with, and was her personal preference.

Every other Bi person I've met was a heterosexual person who was so freakin horny they'd take whatever they could get. This I find morally improper.

I don't discriminate against Gays, Bis or heteros, just slut-whores like my ex-girlfriend (who was heterosexual) :mp5:

I'm not a whore, but I don't think I'm true-bi either. I'm attracted to men and women, but really only for sexual purposes. I really only have relationships with girls. While I am physically attracted to both sexes, I'm only really emotionally attracted to girls. I think when I get older and I settle down, it'll probably be a traditional marriage to a woman. But just because I'm only attracted to both sexes sexually, I don't go around looking to get laid. So I'm not really a whore, and not really a true-bi. What does that make me?

I'm pretty sure I'm bi myself and, I've always thought of sexuality as more of a spectrum than just 2 polarities. Things just aren't that black and, white.

I'm not a whore, but I don't think I'm true-bi either. I'm attracted to men and women, but really only for sexual purposes. I really only have relationships with girls. While I am physically attracted to both sexes, I'm only really emotionally attracted to girls. I think when I get older and I settle down, it'll probably be a traditional marriage to a woman. But just because I'm only attracted to both sexes sexually, I don't go around looking to get laid. So I'm not really a whore, and not really a true-bi. What does that make me?

confused but on the right path

"everyone's a little bi"

you are speaking for the entire human race..........

Was I really? I suppose I was. Well then, yes everyone is at least a little bi. There is my unfiltered OPPINION.

confused but on the right path

Now that I resent. Why is heterosexuality necessarily the right path?

as a very gay man i know once said,

"there are two things i hate: agnostics and bisexuals. make up your fucking minds!"

/could go for a bi girl, not really feeling being bi myself

confused but on the right path So you're saying I'm on the wrong path?

Doubles your chance for a date on the weekends.

as a very gay man i know once said,

"there are two things i hate: agnostics and bisexuals. make up your fucking minds!"

/could go for a bi girl, not really feeling being bi myselfSo, you're single... teee hee.

Everyone's at least a little bi. Sex is sex no matter how you slice it. Still, I always liked the way Dennis Miller put it.



now that is simply not true. that is a supposition on your part that is not backed up with facts. speak for yourself.

oh, you'd love it if anyone sucked you off, as long as you didn't have to watch. that's a little bi.

:fluffle:

So you're saying I'm on the wrong path?

nope. you seem to be very happy and settled. that is always the rightpath. try not to keep making me into some wacko. im not.

oh, you'd love it if anyone sucked you off, as long as you didn't have to watch. that's a little bi.

:fluffle:

That's the truth.

oh, you'd love it if anyone sucked you off, as long as you didn't have to watch. that's a little bi.

:fluffle:

see what I mean about mean and hurtful rhetoric everyone? shame on you. thats not true and I know it. please , dont speak for me. and also, clean up your act.

So, you're single... teee hee.


nah, my girlfriend is straight as can be. i've known some bi-attention-whores, and some truly gay people. in the end, they're all people.

but i did want to get that quote in there somewhere.

addendum: the unnofficial "little bit bi" test:
glory hole: who's on the other side? would you rather check, or just go on your merry way?

Now that I resent. Why is heterosexuality necessarily the right path?


you are here arent you?

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P.S. I like Bisexuals, mostly female ones.

as a very gay man i know once said,

"there are two things i hate: agnostics and bisexuals. make up your fucking minds!"

A wiser man once said,

"A mind made up is a mind slammed shut".

Personally I'm a fan of the the type of bisexual one of my friends is dating.

She doesn't fall in either of the 2 classes I mentioned earlier (whore and true-by). She's more of a threesome girl. Monogomous, never slept with anyone except my friend - but attracted to chicks and willing to show my friend a good time some day. :fluffle:

*sigh* - if only my girl was like that.

If it feels good do it will be the death of civilization.

I fail to see why I should limit myself to being attracted to only one gender.

I fail to see why I should limit myself to being attracted to only one gender.

because that is not the way people are meant to be. people are meant to be straight. no baby ever developed in its dads colon you know.

but if it feels good, then do it !



the logic above is the death of civilization

but if it feels good, then do it !



the logic above is the death of civilization

How do you figure?

because that is not the way people are meant to be. people are meant to be straight. no baby ever developed in its dads colon you know.

Meant? By whom? Did you get a manual with your body?
And I'm not particularely interested in making babies with other men, I'll 'use' a woman for that.

How do you figure?

civilization falls apart when people exept deviant behavior for normal behavior. the building of culture is only starting to crumble. I can see it's foundations starting to crack.It will eventualy collapse with us in it.

because that is not the way people are meant to be. people are meant to be straight. no baby ever developed in its dads colon you know.

What you say is utter, total nonsense.

If there is a god, he or she obviously intended human sex to be conducted for many reasons besides just reproduction. Otherwise why do we have all these nerve endings and options?

Please stop being ridiculous and use the brains you might have been given. Or is that too much to ask of a true believer?

civilization falls apart when people exept deviant behavior for normal behavior. the building of culture is only starting to crumble. I can see it's foundations starting to crack.It will eventualy collapse with us in it.

That's what people always say whenever any changes start to occur. I guarantee you that people said civilization was going to collapse when Luther posted his theses.

Meant? By whom? Did you get a manual with your body?
And I'm not particularely interested in making babies with other men, I'll 'use' a woman for that.

By evolution. Evolution intended us to mate with the opposite sex and make babies.

Sadly Evolution for the human race is over (thanks to medicine) so go ahead and bonk whoever (or whatever... ew) you want.

Personally I like to think I'm still an animal at heart, so i refuse to rise above evolution and will only bonk the ladies. My only question is to ensure the survival of my offspring by either:
A) forming a monogomous relationship with their mother and helping to raise them
OR
B) making lots and lots of them. a few have to make it... :fluffle:

Clearly B is more fun... for some reason I'm going with A though...

What you say is utter, total nonsense.

If there is a god, he or she obviously intended human sex to be conducted for many reasons besides just reproduction. Otherwise why do we have all these nerve endings and options?

Please stop being ridiculous and use the brains you might have been given. Or is that too much to ask of a true believer?


you dont even know me. dont try to patch together a religion for me. sex feels good because of a natural need for people to do it is often as possible to have as many offspring as possible. we in this jaded modern world are far from realizing this more often than not.But biology is biology. but it is true. so saying that no baby ever was born from homosexual activity is 'ridiculous'? speaking of nerves. i think i touched one just then.

That's what people always say whenever any changes start to occur. I guarantee you that people said civilization was going to collapse when Luther posted his theses.

luther was not changing basic human principals of being. he was rebelling against a religion.....

By evolution. Evolution intended us to mate with the opposite sex and make babies.

Sadly Evolution for the human race is over (thanks to medicine) so go ahead and bonk whoever (or whatever... ew) you want.

Thank you. I'll just continue to be a sentient being then.

luther was not changing basic human principals of being. he was rebelling against a religion.....

What does that have to do with it?

the culmination of the rejection of all natural law will be the destruction of the human race. this will take more time and more work on the part of people. but this is just one more stepping stone up to the platform that is the end.

the culmination of the rejection of all natural law will be the destruction of the human race. this will take more time and more work on the part of people. but this is jsut one more stepping stone up to the platform that is the end.

Is the human race so perilously underpopulated that a small trend towards homosexuality will doom it?

no

I guess that every time people have gay sex, Great Cthulhu awakens a little more. Soon, He will awaken and eat us all!

Thank you. I'll just continue to be a sentient being then.

Good, there's not enough of that these days.

no

Then why will homosexuality cause the collapse of civilization? It's not as if homosexuality is threatening to overwhelm sexuality.

if you say so. that certainly is .........an ......interesting thought. personaly i think humanity will destroy itself in a few more centuries of immorality , hate, and ignorance compaoundd by the loss of the very things that make us human and continue our existance.loss of:
morality
beliefs
customs
laws
sanity
life

in that order

Then why will homosexuality cause the collapse of civilization? It's not as if homosexuality is threatening to overwhelm sexuality.


decay of values

I guess that every time people have gay sex, Great Cthulhu awakens a little more. Soon, He will awaken and eat us all!

We can take him! :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:
...
:mad:
...
*chomp chomp chomp*

phew, I sure am glad that was sarcasm.

i used to seek out labels for myself because i was so insecure. And i'm not perfect by any means, but i've realized that i don't need to label myself. i figure i will love who i love, that it doesn't matter who or what they are.

and i'm nowhere near as much of a slut as i used to be.

ok, im off to bed. arent you all relieved. that majority bastard that i am , i am getting tired. so goodnight and may god always bless you.

Or maybe our lustfuly debauchery will give birth to the dreaded chaos god of excess, Slaanesh! She Who Thirsts is coming for your soul!

Or maybe our lustfuly debauchery will give birth to the dreaded chaos god of excess, Slaanesh! She Who Thirsts is coming for your soul!

Cthulu is much scarier but Slaanesh is the logical demon-god here... what was the topic here again? oh right...

There's too many people out there who feel the need to tell non-heteros what they should be doing. It's their choice, and it doesn't hurt anyone else so it shouldn't matter how convinced you are that it's wrong - it's none of your business.

I'm bisexual...anyone got a problem with it?

*shakes fist menacingly*

Actually, yeah. I have a problem with you.

I can't pronounce your name. Stay-err-djee? Ster-a-djee? Can't figure it out. :D

because that is not the way people are meant to be. people are meant to be straight. no baby ever developed in its dads colon you know.

People are not baby machines. People have agency and highly complicated sexual identities. Many animals who appear to have far less complicated identities (including sexual identities) engage in bi sexual liasons. Please outline your meaning in the words 'way people are meant to be', ie meant by whom? If you mean by some dieity, please have him/her/it/them contact me immediately. Being a deity I'm sure they can figure out my phone number.....

but if it feels good, then do it !

the logic above is the death of civilization
Of course it is. However if it is not harming any non-consenting (fully aware of the possible consequences, and ensuing implications, and mentally competent to make a decision based on such an awareness) parties then other people should butt out is the foundation of social well being.

By evolution. Evolution intended us to mate with the opposite sex and make babies.

Sadly Evolution for the human race is over (thanks to medicine) so go ahead and bonk whoever (or whatever... ew) you want.

Personally I like to think I'm still an animal at heart, so i refuse to rise above evolution and will only bonk the ladies. My only question is to ensure the survival of my offspring by either:
A) forming a monogomous relationship with their mother and helping to raise them
OR
B) making lots and lots of them. a few have to make it...
Evolution is not over. Evolution is caused by variability, there is a huge (this can not be overstated) amount of genetic variability in the human race right now, most of humanity is likely to stay that way. The small rise in multiple child births (due to some fertility treatments) is certainly not going to make any notable, much less 'evolution halting' difference to the overall variance within the human race. With regards to being an animal, of course people are animals and probably that is why we like many other animal species are not 'sexually homogenous'.

sex feels good because of a natural need for people to do it is often as possible to have as many offspring as possible.
Then please explain why sex feels good to women who have ceased to be fertile? If your theory is correct, then please explain why sexual desire does not cease for all women when they cease to menstruate.

But biology is biology.
And cross species biological comparisons suggest that sexual activities in many spiecies are not limited to the function of reproduction. Many species of animals considered to be 'intelligent' and who live in social groups engage in bi-sexual activities.

luther was not changing basic human principals of being. he was rebelling against a religion.....
Actually luther was changing basic 'human principals of being' in the opinion of many of his cultural contemporaries. Luther was asserting a voice against what were to most people in his culture 'self evident and obvious universal truths regarding basic human principals'.

the culmination of the rejection of all natural law will be the destruction of the human race.
What do you imagine 'natural law' means?

personaly i think humanity will destroy itself in a few more centuries of immorality , hate, and ignorance compaoundd by the loss of the very things that make us human and continue our existance.loss of:
morality
beliefs
customs
laws
sanity
life

in that order

So the humans wont be destroyed by global warming, or deforestation or anything trivial like that, but rather by people's sexual preferences? Ok...

decay of values
Who's values?

Just to add my 2 cents.

I consider myself a bisexual female. That means that I identify myself as a bisexual individual because I am able to be either physically or emotionally attracted to members of either sex (For the purpose of the definition, I'm gonna have to exclude transgenders, since I've never met one. Sorry!). I consider myself bi, even though I've only been involved with men, and only 2 at that.

Most people think that bi's are just experimenting, or haven't decided who they want, or just do it to get laid. I guess I'm living proof of the opposite. I have never actually been with a female, so you can't say I've experimented, apparently I have decided because I've been with my boyfriend for 2 years now and still consider myself bi, and I am not promiscuous at all; I'm very loyal to whom I'm involved with.

Again, just my 2 cents.

Once you have been with the same sex you are gay. That's just it. Bi is a nice way for someone to cover up there sexuality from there family or society. There is no such thing as being bi. It's a bunch of crap.. :

Once you have been with the same sex you are gay. That's just it. Bi is a nice way for someone to cover up there sexuality from there family or society. There is no such thing as being bi. It's a bunch of crap.. :

That is a very ignorant point of view. There are many people who can find themselves equally attracted to either sex. That is what truly constitutes bisexuality.

Once you have been with the same sex you are gay. That's just it. Bi is a nice way for someone to cover up there sexuality from there family or society. There is no such thing as being bi. It's a bunch of crap.. :

Actually, bi means "two" so if you have sex with two sexes you are "bisexual"

Just as "homo" means the same, if you have sex with the same sex you are "homosexuality"

TRY HARDER

Once you have been with the same sex you are gay. That's just it. Bi is a nice way for someone to cover up there sexuality from there family or society. There is no such thing as being bi. It's a bunch of crap.. :

I'd reference your age in belittling your wholly nonsensical opinion, but I'd likely insult a more intelligent poster of that age and have to apologize - so I won't. Let's just say that what you said is a pretty damn stupid thing to say if you've thought about the idea of sexual orientation at all, not to mention if you actually possessed any information on the matter.

EDIT: Ok, I'm just going to ask now, because I can't take it anymore. I was moving across the country when the forum changeover took place. What's with the new titles (i.e. why am I now a Galaxian Warrior)?

It has been scientifically proven that homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom time and time again, Most will move to one end of the spectrum or another. Bi sex is no different than any other socially deviant sex, it is really kinky the first time, and if it is good, becomes the norm for them. Some who are homophobic or just not driven to the same (or opposite, depending) sex will just not venture there, while those who want to try things will try it and either like it or not. When it stops being enjoyable, they stop.

Evolution is not over. Evolution is caused by variability, there is a huge (this can not be overstated) amount of genetic variability in the human race right now, most of humanity is likely to stay that way. The small rise in multiple child births (due to some fertility treatments) is certainly not going to make any notable, much less 'evolution halting' difference to the overall variance within the human race. With regards to being an animal, of course people are animals and probably that is why we like many other animal species are not 'sexually homogenous'.


Incorrect.

Whilst variability is a pre-requisite for evolution, it is actually caused by "Survival of the Fittest" i.e. death of the unfit. Since anyone and everyone seems to survive to adulthood and wind up reproducing, regardless of sexual orientation or physical health - Evolution is dead, atleast in western society. see my thread on this topic if you wish to discuss this more, but for now I should stop being off topic.

ok, im off to bed. arent you all relieved. that majority bastard that i am , i am getting tired. so goodnight and may god always bless you.

If you're "the majority" why do most people here disagree with you? Why are the last two options on the poll getting by far the most votes? No, your opinions are those of a noisy minority - both here and in society at large.

if you say so. that certainly is .........an ......interesting thought. personaly i think humanity will destroy itself in a few more centuries of immorality , hate, and ignorance compaoundd by the loss of the very things that make us human and continue our existance.loss of:
morality
beliefs
customs
laws
sanity
life

in that order

Since morals, beliefs, customs, laws and sanity are all defined, created and modified by social groups, they'll never be lost only changed from what was before (like they always have.) Life will often be lost due to hate and ignorance, much of which comes from our separation into various factions (religions and nationalities are the two main separators.)

Guess we'll just have to continue evolving as a social species till we're unable to cope with our environment.

Back to original topic:
Sexual orientation seems to span a gradient from hetero to homo with most people close to the hetero end. I've known people who are all along the gradient including several bisexuals of varying degree. I find it hard to believe that after 30+ years, someone would attempt to claim one of my friends is not bisexual when she's still attracted to and dates both men and women.

And to add an addition regarding evolution...
It is not dead, part of survival of the fittest that everyone seems to forget is that you need an environmental pressure to determine the fittest. The western world is under very little pressure at this time so, evolution is very slow and many marginal and non-beneficial traits (less than fittest) are preserved.

Incorrect.

Whilst variability is a pre-requisite for evolution, it is actually caused by "Survival of the Fittest" i.e. death of the unfit. Since anyone and everyone seems to survive to adulthood and wind up reproducing, regardless of sexual orientation or physical health - Evolution is dead, atleast in western society. see my thread on this topic if you wish to discuss this more, but for now I should stop being off topic.

no, it is caused by differential reproductive success. it doesn't matter if everyone lives to adulthood; some people are going to be better able to pass on their genes than others.

* The Rep of Komokom, sitting in the lotus position, gives these words of wisdom :

" If man-kind devoted its mental power to the study of the physical arts and observation of the world around us, instead of agonising over the concept and components of sexuality ... we'd all be flucking rocket scientists by now ... "

When I'm attracted to someone sex isn't really the first thing I look for. In the grand scheme of things, an individuals sex just doesn’t matter to me. (I've been attracted to people when I had no idea of their sex)

To make it a little more clear; A woman on yahoo once asked me if I like women, I replied 'I like people'.

Once you have been with the same sex you are gay. That's just it. Bi is a nice way for someone to cover up there sexuality from there family or society. There is no such thing as being bi. It's a bunch of crap.. :
tee hee, you're cute.

i'm attracted to both males and females. i have had male partners and female partners. i find both genders equally attractive. i don't discriminate in love, and i don't pass up a chance to be with a wonderful person just because of what parts they have between their legs. i, frankly, don't understand anybody who would do that, though i suppose i can accept that people might not feel attraction to people of one gender or the other. i am attracted to a PERSON, not just their genetalia.

my current (hetero) partner will be very interested to learn that you think he has been dating a lesbian for the last 3 years. he'll probably get a kick out of you asserting that i don't exist, or that my sexuality isn't real, especially since he had firsthand experience with my sexuality about 6 hours ago. people like you make us laugh, because we know for a fact that you will never have sex as good as that between two loving and sexually open people. you will never be as close to another human being as we can be. that's sad, in a way, but because you are a jackass about it we don't have to waste time feeling sorry for you.

being with a person of the same sex doesn't make you gay any more than being with a person of the opposite sex makes you straight. odds are you are neither and both; you aren't going to be totally at one end of the spectrum, you'll be some place in the middle.

I'm bisexual...anyone got a problem with it?

*shakes fist menacingly*

As am I.

Sigh, yet another interminable series of repetitions on the subject of the morals and/or biology of sexual relationships.

I have a headache.

Bi's are just kinda of there, they don't classify as straight or I don't hate them half as bad as I do gays. So I don't really care.

Bisexual is definitely a valid sexuality. Though i consider syself more desperate than anything else.

Besides, I think most of them are just really horny....

I know that holds true for me...:D

Ahh the old stereotype that bisexuals are whores...

Option 5.

I'd call everyone bisexual. One person can be more straight or more homosexual than the other, so to me bisexuality is not a distinct category, and it is not exactly 50/50. Bi could be the norm rather than the exception.

being with a person of the same sex doesn't make you gay any more than being with a person of the opposite sex makes you straight. odds are you are neither and both; you aren't going to be totally at one end of the spectrum, you'll be some place in the middle.

Amen Bottle! Once again you demonstrate that you're one of the wisest and most balanced people here - and why I once suggested you'd make an excellent Mod.

The thing about bashing bisexuality is it assumes a binary nature to human thought. Right and Wrong, Good and Bad, Liberal and Conservative aren't considered absolute and you can get a mixture of the two in one person. Why not the same for Straight and Gay?

Whilst variability is a pre-requisite for evolution, it is actually caused by "Survival of the Fittest" i.e. death of the unfit. Since anyone and everyone seems to survive to adulthood and wind up reproducing, regardless of sexual orientation or physical health - Evolution is dead, atleast in western society. see my thread on this topic if you wish to discuss this more, but for now I should stop being off topic.
I found your thread.

Amen Bottle! Once again you demonstrate that you're one of the wisest and most balanced people here talk about damning me with faint praise...j/k :). thanks, i try.

- and why I once suggested you'd make an excellent Mod.
yee gods no, then i would have to be nice to Letila and Opal Isle and their ilk. where would be the fun in that?

I dunno, I never noticed that being nice & fair to everybody was essential to being a Mod, although it should be. A couple of times I've been unfairly attacked and had threads locked, but only by one Mod in particular.

don't get me wrong, I don't dislike people for being bi any more than i would like someone just because they have a normal sex life. that wouldnt make sense. I just think that society is far too obsessed with the ways of gays and bis. they are a tiny portion of the population and although I do not resent them in general I do resent the many of them that seem to want to make it known at least on the subconscience level "HEY HEY LOOK AT ME! IM GAY! LOOK AT ME , LOOK HOW GAY i AM , GIVE ME LOTS OF ATTENTION!"

I think anyone who is has a problem. that doesnt mean I hate them. I have compassion. I just resent the tyrannical attitude that america must open its arms to a society in which the normal functioning of society has just the same value as the anomolous behavior of tiny groups that act differently.

I was under the impression that the GLBT community makes up about 10% of the American population. As much as African-Americans. Would you call them a "tiny portion of the population"?

Furthermore, living in a place often described as a "gay mecca", I have to say, I really haven't observed the, "I'm gay and I NEED ATTENTION" phenomenon, aside from Gay Pride Day.

Perhaps it's merely that most of your experiences with gay people are ONLY through those kinds of interactions?

morality is the glue that holds society together. Improper and bad behavior is the solvent that dissolves the glue.

I agree. But it would seem you and I have very different standards for what constitutes "improper and bad" behavior.

Option 5.

I'd call everyone bisexual. One person can be more straight or more homosexual than the other, so to me bisexuality is not a distinct category, and it is not exactly 50/50. Bi could be the norm rather than the exception.

I like this fifth option :)
I don't believe there is such thing as 'bi', neither do I think 'straight' or 'gay' really exist. It's just a way for limited minds to describe reality by putting silly labels on everything. The only reason these labels exist is to make differences between people, which sadly enough leads often to the next step, dividing these labels in the good and the bad ones.
Furthermore, these labels can't be accurate, as feelings are not dictated by some mathematical laws, dividing them in several strictly separated groups.

Bi, gay or straight, they are all just people loving other people, stop discriminating people by who they love.

A hug for everyone, man and woman alike :) :fluffle:
Allthough the silly label that would fit me best is gay ;)

--
By nature all human beings are psychically bisexual - capable of loving a person of either sex.
- American Medicine, 1914

I totally think that most bisexual people are whores atleast the girls. Go to a website like facethejury.com or something where people tell there gender 99% of all bi girls on there mention something like I LOVE SEX, nice boobs, nice asses ,nice big cocks. Im completely serious to i had the theory that all bis are horny so i looked on that site everyday for like a month or two...(i just moved and i have nothing else to do). I found its mostly just the girls, the guys are more laid back. Oh and you have to be a member to read the persons profiles on that site its free though.

And I dont think that everyone is a bit bi at all. I am totally in touch with my effeminate side and ill say whether a guy is good looking or not i know it doesnt make me gay at all. But ive had two guys kiss me one time cause i was wearing a kiss me im irish pin and I got the most disgusting feeling ever i dont know why it was just sick, i really wanted to puke. They didnt even kiss me on the lips one was on the top of the head and one was on the arm.

p.s. ive gone out with four bi girls before and was friends with like ten to fifteen at my last highschool they all hung out in a group... total whores.

I totally think that most bisexual people are whores atleast the girls. Go to a website like facethejury.com or something where people tell there gender 99% of all bi girls on there mention something like I LOVE SEX, nice boobs, nice asses ,nice big cocks. Im completely serious to i had the theory that all bis are horny so i looked on that site everyday for like a month or two...(i just moved and i have nothing else to do). I found its mostly just the girls, the guys are more laid back.

But that's basically a self-selecting pool. The website front page inundates you with all sort of sexual references:

"Face the Jury- where everyone scores!"

Links that say- "Sexy Swingers and Wild Women: Huge selection of racy amateurs - photos and fantasies available free!", and "Meet New Sex Partners: Indulge yourself and find partners for hot Sexual Encounters!"

The people who join sites like this are ALREADY exhibitionists, to some degree, regardless of sexual orientation.

And, as stated already, not everyone who self-identifies as "bi" is necessarily a "true-bi". It could be that a lot of the girls who identify themselves as "bi" on that site are in fact, just horny, and use the "bi" label to further their image as "wild girls".

well then go to other websites, its the same thing whether the website is specifically designed for sex or not. Meet bi people, I bet you havent had as many of them as friends as I have. I also bet you havent dated as many as I have. Well I am still a teen so if your like in your twenties I bet alot of those bi people have changed but meet some teen ones and if you still say something different then your only kidding yourself. Go to a concert or party.

I totally think that most bisexual people are whores atleast the girls. Go to a website like facethejury.com or something where people tell there gender 99% of all bi girls on there mention something like I LOVE SEX, nice boobs, nice asses ,nice big cocks. Im completely serious to i had the theory that all bis are horny so i looked on that site everyday for like a month or two...(i just moved and i have nothing else to do). I found its mostly just the girls, the guys are more laid back. Oh and you have to be a member to read the persons profiles on that site its free though.

I'm wondering if you know that it's not really a scientific experiment what you've done :)
The site you give in your other posting is mainly a site for sex dates as far as I can see, so it's not unusal to find a lot of 'horny' people there :)

And I dont think that everyone is a bit bi at all. I am totally in touch with my effeminate side and ill say whether a guy is good looking or not i know it doesnt make me gay at all. But ive had two guys kiss me one time cause i was wearing a kiss me im irish pin and I got the most disgusting feeling ever i dont know why it was just sick, i really wanted to puke. They didnt even kiss me on the lips one was on the top of the head and one was on the arm.

Then you are truely overreacting, or you have a very vivid imagination.

However, kissing a guy doesn't make you gay. In many countries it's even very common for guys to kiss each other when they meet. Many Arabic, southeren Europe and Asian countries for example.

In some Asian countries it's normal for friends to walk arm in arm, but not for a man and a woman. In the first case, it's seen as 'just friends' and in the second case as showing to much 'sexual intimacy'.
It's just a cultural thing...

One funny quote before I'm going to sleep :)

I think every straight guy should have another man's tongue in his mouth at least once.
- Madonna.

Just think about it :p

Cya back in 9 - euh make it 10 hours ;)

well I cant help how it made me feel when that guy kissed me it was gross. And the site is not about getting some. Its about meeting people in your area, and seeing if people think your hot or not, thats why I joined I just moved to vegas and since I dont go to school anymore it would be hard to meet people. And that part about where everyone scores thats just a punny joke because its like hotornot.com and you get rated on the site. Infact the only profiles that i ever find where the person is like I LOVE SEX I LOVE SEX are bi profiles. And for that guy that said that the girls on there arnt actually bi there just trying to make guys horny... girls stating that there bi is only going to attract more girls so in other words... THEY MUST ACTUALLY BE BI!!

well then go to other websites, its the same thing whether the website is specifically designed for sex or not. Meet bi people, I bet you havent had as many of them as friends as I have.

I don't keep track of my friends that way.

I also bet you havent dated as many as I have.

I haven't dated, so...

Well I am still a teen so if your like in your twenties I bet alot of those bi people have changed but meet some teen ones and if you still say something different then your only kidding yourself. Go to a concert or party.

BUT, the issue is, are most of these teenagers ACTUALLY bi? Or are they just saying they are in order to reinforce this image of them being "sexy sluts who will screw anything"?

I'm not denying that some bisexuals are, in fact, slutty or horny or whatever. But it's a mistake to extrapolate this to all bisexuals, just as it would be a mistake for me to say that no bisexuals are sluts.

Yeah, I found that when I was upfront about my bisexuality, people on both sides of the fence showed me their true colours...a number of my straight friends dropped off radar, and my gay friends would regard me with open derision. I hadn't thought it possible considering how apparently 'liberal' my friends (at that time) seemed to be. So...I made new friends. And a small number of old friends DID stick by me, so I've stuck by them.

Some people seem really uptight about pigeonholing themselves and applying labels to their behaviour- I wish they'd just give it up and get on with living life instead of trying to catalogue it.

Well if a girl states that shes bi, its only going to attract more girls so theres really no reason to do it besides attracting someone of the same sex. Guys are gonna go for a girl if shes hot or has a cool personality. Do you know any guys that are gonna go for an uglyass stupid girl just cause shes bi??

Guys are gonna go for a girl if shes hot or has a cool personality.

Or if they feel she's promiscuous. Which, unfortunately, is often what "bi" translates into.

Do you know any guys that are gonna go for an uglyass stupid girl just cause shes bi??

Yes. Many. Either because they feel they might be able to cajole her into a threesome, or that her being bi means she's more likely to sleep with them, since the assumption is she'll "fuck anything".

uh promiscuous... you just said it yourself. I never said that all of them are horny but MOST ARE and you just said it yourself stop trying to be hard. Date some youll find out. Youve never dated anyone??

Plus dude it is way easy to find hot chicks thatll do ya. You dont need uglyass stupid slutty chicks to get sexy with.

uh promiscuous... you just said it yourself. I never said that all of them are horny but MOST ARE and you just said it yourself stop trying to be hard.

No, I didn't. I said that that's what a lot of guys ASSUME when they hear "I'm bisexual", and that therefore, some girls who SAY they're bisexual are, in fact, only saying this to get guys. Two different things.

Youve never dated anyone??

Nope. Hopefully this will be remedied soon, but I'll just have to see...

Plus dude it is way easy to find hot chicks thatll do ya.

I'm interested in more than merely finding a sex partner. I've also never really been one to fall for the "hot chicks".

Yeah, I found that when I was upfront about my bisexuality...my gay friends would regard me with open derision.

That's really bizarre & hypocritical of them it seems to me. What sorts of things would they say?

Well, Freakin Sweet, as long as we're keeping tallies, I've gone out with two bi girls, been friends with eight, and also happen to be one, so out of the two of us I think I'm the authority on the subject. So how about if you listen to some of my anecdotal evidance for a second, huh?

a.) I'm not a whore.

b.) My girlfriend's not a whore.

c.) My roommate's not a whore.

d.) My best friend's a whore, but she's straight so I doubt she'll support your case.

You're right, some bi girls are sluts, but so are some gay girls and some straight girls. All I have to say is that no matter what your personal experiance has been, you don't have any right to make generalizations about hundreds of people based on your obviously infallible opinions.

Well maybe you are a whore and you wouldnt like to admit it. People make excuses for there actions all the time. Suicide bombers think what there doing is right.

Or maybe you're just wrong, Freakin..

Sure, maybe I am a whore. Obviously, you'd know best. But also have to concede the possibility that I'm not a whore, and you're making a seriously unfair and inaccurate assumption.

Well I know if I was a whore I wouldnt want to admit it. Also... you have a roomate which means that your older than teenager, inwhich i earlier said that I dont know if they change when they get older I could see them maturing by then. I know about highschool bisexuals. Read all the posts.

I did, dear, and you're maing assumptions again-- I'm fourteen, I just went to college three years early. I also incidentally would like to point out that, for obvious reasons, I know a lot more about highschool bisexuals than you do.

Being Bi myself, it never ceases to amaze me just how many people (Freakin' Sweet and UndecidedTerrority are the two best examples) decide that they can arbitrarily put labels on people just because of a sexual preference

According to Undecided Territory and those of his/her ilk: I am morally repugnant and will inevitably be responsible to the destruction of the 'moral' fabric of society and thus cause the collapse of civilization as we know it.

Well mate, here's the thing I think you need to realize: you do not know what is 'right' or 'wrong'. The fact that our species continues because the majority sleep with the other sex does not in any way mean that reproduction is the sole purpose for sex. Perhaps your young and inexperienced, but sex may be about a few other things: say...I dont know...love maybe?

You (the collective 'you' btw) also realize that by your logic, heterosexual couples that do not have children (for a lack of desire or ability) are also 'wrong'? I would dearly like to see you go to those who physically lack the ability to reproduce (for whatever reason) and tell them that they are wrong because the love-making that they do does not produce children?

Surely you can see my point? Your opinion is sex+reproduction='right'. My opinion is condemnation of sexuality because of the lack of reproduction=wrong. Your morals, opinions and beliefs are no more right or wrong than mine. More to the point, how can you define what a societies morals even are?

As for Freakin' sweet: Please don't make generalizations. Some people who are Bi may be 'whores', but the story is the same for plenty of straight people and for plenty of gay people. Sexuality is an attraction to a sex, or both sexes as the case may be. In my case, I am attracted to a person for whom they are, rather than what particular sex they are (i.e. I don't really find the majority or men or women that attractive).

Bisexuals in general may well have more relationships, but that's nothing more than supply side economics- Anyway, I'm bisexual and a virgin at almost 20, so I'm definitely not a whore. Also, the assumption is based on bisexual women, and women who like to seem open to the idea of threesomes- The thing is, women are inclined to behave a lot worse than they do. Lesbians and bisexuals are more likely to be outspoken about their sexuals desires, especially since women are better at pleasing them than men. So bisexuals aren't any worse than straights, they're just more uninhibited.

Now Im offended that your generalizing that women are better at pleasing than men. Have you done scientific reasearch on this?? I atleast said most bisexual women are, your stating that ALL men suck at fucking. Whats the difference in what you said and I said besides you stated taht all men suck. I know I havent had sex with you. See YOU PEOPLE like to generalize also, but you dont like people generalizing against you even though I have dated more bisexual girls than all of you and have had more bisexual friends. The only thing you have on me is that Im not bisexual, now if I was and I was a horny bastard I probably wouldnt admit it either. You kid yourselves. I met my new neighbor about a week ago, and he is way more intelligent than most people ive met and certainly most of you. Now he LOVES bisexual girls, you want to know why... BECAUSE THERE NORMALLY INSANELY HORNY!! He likes that he gets some almost everyday and doesnt even have to date them.

Now Im offended that your generalizing that women are better at pleasing than men. Have you done scientific reasearch on this?? I atleast said most bisexual women are, your stating that ALL men suck at fucking. Whats the difference in what you said and I said besides you stated taht all men suck. I know I havent had sex with you. See YOU PEOPLE like to generalize also, but you dont like people generalizing against you even though I have dated more bisexual girls than all of you and have had more bisexual friends. The only thing you have on me is that Im not bisexual, now if I was and I was a horny bastard I probably wouldnt admit it either. You kid yourselves. I met my new neighbor about a week ago, and he is way more intelligent than most people ive met and certainly most of you. Now he LOVES bisexual girls, you want to know why... BECAUSE THERE NORMALLY INSANELY HORNY!! He likes that he gets some almost everyday and doesnt even have to date them.

And how does he know they're actually bi, and not just horny/slutty?

And overzealous... You lie. Inorder to sign a legal document, i.e. to rent a dorm, or anything else like that. You have to be eighteen.

HELL YA I KNOW THERE BI!! And if you mean my friend... Uh ... yah. When they come over and fuck eachother in front of him all the time... yah i think he knows. You know its true, why do you deny it??

Lesbians and bisexuals are more likely to be outspoken about their sexuals desires, especially since women are better at pleasing them than men.
erm, not so much. i'm a bisexual female, and women are not better at pleasing me than men. women and men have different bonuses, but that doesn't inherently make one better than the other.

in fact, i find women are usually more selfish in bed than men are, and women have more hangups about experimenting or trying anything non-standard; if they've taken the step of having gay sex, they usually don't want to try anything more in addition to that, they just want "standard" gay sex.

HELL YA I KNOW THERE BI!! And if you mean my friend... Uh ... yah. When they come over and fuck eachother in front of him all the time... yah i think he knows. You know its true, why do you deny it??

How do I "know" it's true? I don't know you from a dust bunny.

You know its true that most of them are horny. If you live near vegas or visit I will absolutely prove it to you.

You know its true that most of them are horny. If you live near vegas or visit I will absolutely prove it to you.
horny and slutty are two very different things. i am quite horny, but i am not (nor have i ever been) slutty. it's called impulse control, and bisexuals have it as much as anybody else. if you have more than anecdotal evidence please show it, otherwise just give it up...you're talking out your ass, at this point.

Bi men are even worse than fags, not only do they do participate in revolting acts, they then go and pass on the diseases of the gay lifestyle to unsuspecting wives and girlfriends.

And when they eventually come out of the closet or are discovered, like the NJ Governor, they shame and shatter their families.

Bi chicks are curiousities, but I wouldn't really call them evil.

Your right slutty is a better word. And there is no possible way I or anyone can provide anecdotal evidence. Its something that you know by meeting so many of them like i have. Read profiles online. Yes its generalizing but sometimes generalizing is correct. You know that what im saying is true. You just dont like it because its derogatory.

Bi men are even worse than fags, not only do they do participate in revolting acts, they then go and pass on the diseases of the gay lifestyle to unsuspecting wives and girlfriends.

And when they eventually come out of the closet or are discovered, like the NJ Governor, they shame and shatter their families.

Bi chicks are curiousities, but I wouldn't really call them evil.
wow, a sexually repressed, hypocritical moron! we haven't had one of those around here in...let me see...5 whole minutes!

Your right slutty is a better word. And there is no possible way I or anyone can provide anecdotal evidence. Its something that you know by meeting so many of them like i have. Read profiles online. Yes its generalizing but sometimes generalizing is correct. You know that what im saying is true. You just dont like it because its derogatory.
no, i don't like it because it is unsupported by fact. studies performed by reputable medical and psychological institutions have found no correlation between bisexuality and promiscuity, though they have found that heterosexual men are currently more promiscuous (on average) than any other group...that includes bisexuals of both genders, homosexual and heterosexual women, and homosexual men. until you can give us something better than your say-so, you are just another trash-talking internet bottom feeder.

your opinion of bisexual practices doesn't mean a damn thing to me, since i AM A BISEXUAL, and therefore know more about it than you ever will. enjoy your ignorance, i know i do ;).

Why sexually repressed, while I dont agree with what was said... Just because someone doesnt like the thought of having sexual relations with the same sex make them sexually repressed?? No it does not. I am not homophobic in anyway but the thought of having sex with a man grosses me out. You dont understand taht because you dont feel the same way. However you cant help if you like the thought of having sex with the same sex. Its an inborn trait... a mental defect. Picture it like this... I want to have sex with a man as much as you feel the urge to have sex with an animal.

Do you live anywhere near Hoquiam WA?? because thats where I moved from, and I can get you laid by ten to fifteen girls in a day.

And overzealous... You lie. Inorder to sign a legal document, i.e. to rent a dorm, or anything else like that. You have to be eighteen.

Perhaps the dorm is in someone else's name? That's a pretty classic example of getting way too worked up and not being able to realise when you're over the top.

Why should it matter which sex you're attracted to...it should be about the person and the relationship. Yes, there are some people who fuck just to fuck. And, sometimes, there is a raw need for some casual sex...I don't think most people would deny that feeling, whether they've acted on it or not. Lust happens.

But I, speaking as someone who is bi, am attracted to a person, not a gender. And I am far from slutty, for those of you who are continuing that generalisation.

Why is it such a big deal to let people be with who they want to be with? Straight people can be big whores just as much as gay people and everyone in between (sexual preference is more of a spectrum). If you don't think it's right, don't do it. But consenting sex requires two willing people. Which means that no one is being hurt, no matter how wanton the sex life, which means it's not anyone else's business.

Live your life the way you want and let other people do the same. It's not up to anyone to judge other people's lifestyles.

:headbang:

oi... some of you are just a little sickening...

Poor ignorant brainwashed little children.

Some of you obviously don't follow science. Being Bi, Gay, or Straight, is not controlled by any genes or any part of your brain, and it definetely doesn't make you good or evil. (Hitler and Stalin were straight, kiddies)

Just because a girl likes a girl and a guy likes a guy doesn't make them any different other than their sexual preference, which seems so far to be an unchangeable quirk in our psyche. If you're straight, you're always straight, if you're gay, you're always gay. You can't "learn" to have a sexual preference, though if you're bred to hate gays you may not realize your gay until you're in your teens, when puberty hits, in which case you may be able to hide it anyway, but you'd always be gay.

Now on to Bi's, same thing, only if the above situation is present it's a little easier for them to cope. A lot of people think they're Bi (and hell, maybe they are), but find they aren't, or think they are and find they are, and usually it's a lot more common than being gay but a lot more obscure and hard to discover.

Now, on people saying Bi girls are sluts.... WTF mates!? (hehe, end of the world!!!!!) My girlfriend is Bi, and she's extremely ANTI-slutty!!!!!!!! she thinks a girl is being extremely slutty if she wears a high cut short sleeve V-neck and kapri pants! She usually wears several layers. And yes, she is Bi, she noticed she liked girls before sh noticed she liked guys, and has made out with both before.

Well, to those of you who have shown your ignorance and arrogance in full force, I must say...

:headbang:

:sniper:

:gundge:

:mp5:





:D HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!

Do you live anywhere near Hoquiam WA?? because thats where I moved from, and I can get you laid by ten to fifteen girls in a day.

Just wondering... You said you've had a lot of dates, now you're talking that you could get laid with 10 - 15 girls each day... So who's slutty? :p

I'm Bisexual and i'm completely faithful to my partner who by the way is the same sex as me. Fidelity has no more of a sexuality basis then anything else. In the end it all comes down to morality. I have other bi friends and gay and lesbian friends and the most promiscuous one of them is gay. Though a straight mate of mine is a close second. On a side note religious beliefs are still important to some of us, myself, a bi friend of mine and a dyke friend still condider ourselves catholic and we still go to church, though the others go alot more than I do.

I'm Bisexual and i'm completely faithful to my partner who by the way is the same sex as me. Fidelity has no more of a sexuality basis then anything else. In the end it all comes down to morality. I have other bi friends and gay and lesbian friends and the most promiscuous one of them is gay. Though a straight mate of mine is a close second. On a side note religious beliefs are still important to some of us, myself, a bi friend of mine and a dyke friend still condider ourselves catholic and we still go to church, though the others go alot more than I do.

You weren't put of by the intense anti-gay sentiment of many (but not all) religeous people?

One last bit in reference to NWV's "liberal" cred:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=8109

He picked the "Some jews died, not many, most of those who died, died of Typhus" option.

Hmmm, Holocaust denier. Not the first thing I think of when I think of a "liberal".

Now Im offended that your generalizing that women are better at pleasing than men. Have you done scientific reasearch on this?? I atleast said most bisexual women are, your stating that ALL men suck at fucking. Whats the difference in what you said and I said besides you stated taht all men suck. I know I havent had sex with you. See YOU PEOPLE like to generalize also, but you dont like people generalizing against you even though I have dated more bisexual girls than all of you and have had more bisexual friends. The only thing you have on me is that Im not bisexual, now if I was and I was a horny bastard I probably wouldnt admit it either. You kid yourselves. I met my new neighbor about a week ago, and he is way more intelligent than most people ive met and certainly most of you. Now he LOVES bisexual girls, you want to know why... BECAUSE THERE NORMALLY INSANELY HORNY!! He likes that he gets some almost everyday and doesnt even have to date them.

There is a vastly greater percentage of heterosexual males than there are bi or gay males. Therefore women are IN GENERAL better at pleasing men because IN GENERAL most men get off on women. Doesn't matter how good a male is at sex if sex with a male doesn't do it for you.

So your neighbor is getting it on with different bi girls (who may or may not want to date him - a lot of girls with sleep with people they want to date) and these girls may or may not be getting if from a different source. It sounds like your neighbor is the one who is insanely horny. And slutty on top of that.

There is a vastly greater percentage of heterosexual males than there are bi or gay males. Therefore women are IN GENERAL better at pleasing men because IN GENERAL most men get off on women. Doesn't matter how good a male is at sex if sex with a male doesn't do it for you.

So your neighbor is getting it on with different bi girls (who may or may not want to date him - a lot of girls with sleep with people they want to date) and these girls may or may not be getting if from a different source. It sounds like your neighbor is the one who is insanely horny. And slutty on top of that.

Crazy thinking if you ask me... There is NO relationship between the percentage of heterosexual males and the sexual talents of women. Men don't become gay because they met women who couldn't please them.

Being gay is about feelings and has little to do with sex. It's about who you LOVE, NOT who you have SEX with.


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It seems to me that the real clue to your sex-orientation lies in your romantic feelings rather than in your sexual feelings. If you are really gay, you are able to fall in love with a man, not just enjoy having sex with him.
- Christopher Isherwood

(not replying to anybody in particular)

Bloody hell... you are what you are... you do what you do. Why do people have problems with gay or bi anyway? I mean... what's the point in judging others by their sexual orientation? If you don't like what somebody else does in the sack, how does that have in impact on your own life.

Two quotes... (or partial quotes)

"whatever turns you on.........."

"nuff said!"

I just HAVE to (being one of those OBVIOUSLY annoying homos, who just absolutely HAVE to have their say because aren't ALL gays and bis that way?) say something.

Why do any of you actually give a shit about what someone is doing in their bedroom, toilet cubicle, basement, dorm room, insert other here _____ ?

It is NONE of anybody's business what I or any other person chooses to do when it comes to sex - or love - unless it is with a MINOR, or it is non-consenting (for those of you too young to understand that means RAPE).

Here's a story, i'll try keep it short. I was born. I became aware of liking anybody at age SIX (yes that's right), at which time i liked boys and girls. Over the years my interest in girls faded, till i got to TEN, and realised that this word "gay" fit perfectly. Now, since then, I have fought my way through constant suicide attempts; constant racist, homophobic, and purely evil bullying, as well as depression in this past year - all to get to where i am, and accept myself as a gay man at 19.

Now, MY parents know everything about me, they know all the shit i have gone through just to be able to say "I am gay". I have EARNED the right to stay alive, I have EARNED the respect of others, and I have FOUGHT my way through every step of the way just so I can be myself. None of you have the right to dictate to any other person - homo- bi- or hetero- sexual - who they can or cannot love/sleep with, because it is highly likely that they are also struggling to keep the right to be who they want to be.

Those of you who stand up for others, against idiots who use morality and the excuse of the "social majority" as their reasons to discriminate, I thankyou very much, because it's people like you have kept me alive to be able to say these things. Bisexuals people are NOT just sluts, and they are NOT just going through a phase, they are PEOPLE.

Sasha

p.s.(One doth apologise for the overly length of said text, but one hath a stringent point to declare xxx)

I like the Isherwood quote someone has as their sig, it makes a very good point. Sexual preferences are, strangely enough, not just based on physical desires. I don't think one can say for certain that they will never find themselves attracted to someone not of their supposed preference. You may go through life as, say, a heterosexual and never meet a member of the same sex who affects you in the same way that members of the opposite sex have. This doesn't mean that the capacity for homosexual love is not within you and it doesn't make you repressed or in denial either.

As for the discussions on promiscuity, I have a general philosophy I personally adopt (or would adopt, were I promiscuous): be careful, don't deceive the people you couple with, enjoy. If two (or more) people are consenting, then I see no problem with them doing whatever the hell they like together, provided that they do not cause harm to themselves (S&M excepted, natch) or others.

EDIT: Isherwood quote -> Many Rainbows

It is NONE of anybody's business what I or any other person chooses to do when it comes to sex - or love - unless it is with a MINOR, or it is non-consenting (for those of you too young to understand that means RAPE).

Agreed.
I don't understand some peoples intent to make it their business either. Especially as doing so, can *deeply* affect a person when all they want to do is live their lifes, and love who they wish.

Surely there are far more pressing issues that such negative energy could put towards to.

Who cares if someone is gay, straight or bi.

As a bisexual I can tell you that I am not bi beause I am really horny. I barely ever even want sex. My gf wants it way more than I do. My straight friends think I'm a prude. I am just attracted to both sexes in different ways. I am mainly attracted to women but once in a while I like to mix things up a bit :p

Most importantly: If you have a problem with someones sexual orientation then you need to get a life of your own because you worry too much about the private lives of others.

It is NONE of anybody's business what I or any other person chooses to do when it comes to sex - or love - unless it is with a MINOR, or it is non-consenting (for those of you too young to understand that means RAPE).

I have EARNED the right to stay alive, I have EARNED the respect of others, and I have FOUGHT my way through every step of the way just so I can be myself. None of you have the right to dictate to any other person - homo- bi- or hetero- sexual - who they can or cannot love/sleep with, because it is highly likely that they are also struggling to keep the right to be who they want to be.

Those of you who stand up for others, against idiots who use morality and the excuse of the "social majority" as their reasons to discriminate, I thankyou very much, because it's people like you have kept me alive to be able to say these things. Bisexuals people are NOT just sluts, and they are NOT just going through a phase, they are PEOPLE.

Sasha


*Tips hat off to you* Couldn't have said it better. Kudos for the courage you displayed, and the acceptance over who you are.

I'm gay, and I think it would be so awesome to be bi. I mean, not having the restrictions that the other two sexualities place on you. I know a few bi people, and I don't think they're "slumming" the gay side just to see what happens. It just doesn't matter to them if the person they're with is male or female. They're happy with both.

Crazy thinking if you ask me... There is NO relationship between the percentage of heterosexual males and the sexual talents of women. Men don't become gay because they met women who couldn't please them.

Being gay is about feelings and has little to do with sex. It's about who you LOVE, NOT who you have SEX with.


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It seems to me that the real clue to your sex-orientation lies in your romantic feelings rather than in your sexual feelings. If you are really gay, you are able to fall in love with a man, not just enjoy having sex with him.
- Christopher Isherwood

That is what I was trying to say. Only in terms of attraction rather than love (because love transcends sex, attraction, and just about everything else). If a person is not attracted to a certain gender - or a certain person for that matter- any amount of sexual skill (which is a subjective thing anyway) isn't going to make that attraction develop. Lack of sexual skill of a particular partner certainly isn't going to change the gender(s) a person is attracted to. I wasn't trying to make a correlation between sexual skill of women and percentage of heterosexuals. I was only trying to state women please most men BECAUSE most men are attracted to women. Please note that this does not mean that I believe heterosexuality is any better or worse than any other sexual orientation. It is just more common.

Personally, I am attracted to particular people because of thier mind/spirit. External features are irrelevant.

Personally, I am attracted to particular people because of thier mind/spirit. External features are irrelevant.


Can't add anything to that :)

bisexuality just gives more evidence to my case that when it isnt a physical manifestation ( as it sometimes is) the homosexual tendencies that people have are disorders of a mental nature.

bahahahahha... Ignorant. ahahahhaha. 'mental nature'.. ahhaha.

Excuse me while I compose myself.

I've questioned whether I was straight or bi... I still consider myself straight, but there is that side of me that I supress every now and then...
and then I realized that everyone is like that: everyone's a little queer, whether they like it or not.
some more than others.

i have some friends who are bi... so what?

I second just about that whole thing

I consider myself strait … all my fantasy’s are strait but I have THOUGH and wanted to at least try a “frolic through gay land”

Bisexuality is just one spectrum on the sliding scale that is human sexuality.
It's a convenient label for someone who is the mid-range of the scale, as hetero is for one end and homo is for the other.

I just HAVE to (being one of those OBVIOUSLY annoying homos, who just absolutely HAVE to have their say because aren't ALL gays and bis that way?) say something.

Why do any of you actually give a shit about what someone is doing in their bedroom, toilet cubicle, basement, dorm room, insert other here _____ ?

It is NONE of anybody's business what I or any other person chooses to do when it comes to sex - or love - unless it is with a MINOR, or it is non-consenting (for those of you too young to understand that means RAPE).

Here's a story, i'll try keep it short. I was born. I became aware of liking anybody at age SIX (yes that's right), at which time i liked boys and girls. Over the years my interest in girls faded, till i got to TEN, and realised that this word "gay" fit perfectly. Now, since then, I have fought my way through constant suicide attempts; constant racist, homophobic, and purely evil bullying, as well as depression in this past year - all to get to where i am, and accept myself as a gay man at 19.

Now, MY parents know everything about me, they know all the shit i have gone through just to be able to say "I am gay". I have EARNED the right to stay alive, I have EARNED the respect of others, and I have FOUGHT my way through every step of the way just so I can be myself. None of you have the right to dictate to any other person - homo- bi- or hetero- sexual - who they can or cannot love/sleep with, because it is highly likely that they are also struggling to keep the right to be who they want to be.

Those of you who stand up for others, against idiots who use morality and the excuse of the "social majority" as their reasons to discriminate, I thankyou very much, because it's people like you have kept me alive to be able to say these things. Bisexuals people are NOT just sluts, and they are NOT just going through a phase, they are PEOPLE.

Sasha

p.s.(One doth apologise for the overly length of said text, but one hath a stringent point to declare xxx)

Listen pal, I get just as much shit for being a christian as you do for being gay (much more on the web), and you don't see me going and yelling at everybody about how UNFAIR it all is and how many psychological issues I had as a result. I really am tired of people being more than willing to question God, and me PUTTING UP WITH IT, in the interests of FREE SPEECH, and then when a thread comes along that discusses gay/bi people, someone comes out screaming about how it is none of anybody else's business. If you can dish it out, then take it.

That said-

OK, I'm straight, by which I mean I am attracted to women. Now, at any time I think about being with a guy (which has happened about twice), I have only to think about the last woman I was with and my questions are gone. However, I must say that bisexual women (even though I am christian) are far more attractive to me than lesbians or straight women. This is for one reason alone. Lesbians are HOT. However, they aren't interested in a guy. Therefore, the best thing is a bisexual, who has been with a woman and will still date a guy. This = best of both worlds.

Listen pal, I get just as much shit for being a christian as you do for being gay (much more on the web), and you don't see me going and yelling at everybody about how UNFAIR it all is and how many psychological issues I had as a result. I really am tired of people being more than willing to question God, and me PUTTING UP WITH IT, in the interests of FREE SPEECH, and then when a thread comes along that discusses gay/bi people, someone comes out screaming about how it is none of anybody else's business. If you can dish it out, then take it.


Just to add my $.02:

You're comparing apple and oranges there. Sexuality (hetero/homo/bi/etc) is something you are born with. Religion is something you are born *into*.

Listen pal, I get just as much shit for being a christian as you do for being gay (much more on the web), and you don't see me going and yelling at everybody about how UNFAIR it all is and how many psychological issues I had as a result. I really am tired of people being more than willing to question God, and me PUTTING UP WITH IT, in the interests of FREE SPEECH, and then when a thread comes along that discusses gay/bi people, someone comes out screaming about how it is none of anybody else's business. If you can dish it out, then take it.

That said-

OK, I'm straight, by which I mean I am attracted to women. Now, at any time I think about being with a guy (which has happened about twice), I have only to think about the last woman I was with and my questions are gone. However, I must say that bisexual women (even though I am christian) are far more attractive to me than lesbians or straight women. This is for one reason alone. Lesbians are HOT. However, they aren't interested in a guy. Therefore, the best thing is a bisexual, who has been with a woman and will still date a guy. This = best of both worlds.

Whether or not you dislike it, what I have said is the truth, and *I* am willing to stand up for it as much as you are for your religion.

You chose to be a christian, but people CANNOT choose their sexual orientation. I can not walk down my own high street without being verbally abused over something I can not change - as happens to many bisexual people I might add - and I am compelled by my own morality to stand up and say ENOUGH. Being a pagan, I get just as much crap for my religion as I do for my sexuality, but to me spirituality and religion are personal things. I will not question any person's god, because it is a person's ACTIONS not their god, which define their standing as a human individual.

:)

My girlfriend and three of her female freinds are bi. I love it because we often end up with an extra chic or two in bed with us ;) :fluffle: :fluffle:

Listen pal, I get just as much shit for being a christian as you do for being gay (much more on the web), and you don't see me going and yelling at everybody about how UNFAIR it all is and how many psychological issues I had as a result. I really am tired of people being more than willing to question God, and me PUTTING UP WITH IT, in the interests of FREE SPEECH, and then when a thread comes along that discusses gay/bi people, someone comes out screaming about how it is none of anybody else's business. If you can dish it out, then take it.


You can not compare christians to gays. Gay people never burned non gays at the stake. they do not try to brain wash children into joining them. And more children are molested by christian prest(and not just catholics) that by gays. Xtains are not opressed and i am sick of hearing them claim they are just because they are no longer being alowed to harras and kill non christains!!!!!! :mad:
It is not opression to tell you that you cannot use the public shcool system to brainwash children into joining your cult :mad:

let's not get into religion. Sexuality is a thorny enough topic without religion, I think we can all agree, lol

The difference here is between what we can choose and what we cannot choose, and we cannot CHOOSE to be gay or bisexual any more than we can choose our skin colour, it just isn't possible. So, regardless of your or my opinion, the fact remains that sexuality just is, and we ALL have to accept that.

No amount of bitching and backbiting and "this book says this" will change that.

You can not compare christians to gays. Gay people never burned non gays at the stake. they do not try to brain wash children into joining them. And more children are molested by christian prest(and not just catholics) that by gays. Xtains are not opressed and i am sick of hearing them claim they are just because they are no longer being alowed to harras and kill non christains!!!!!! :mad:
It is not opression to tell you that you cannot use the public shcool system to brainwash children into joining your cult :mad:


can I get an AMEN? :D

Bisexual people are still practicing Homosexuality .... Whether they have an inherited dispostion to it ...or the other 2nd form which is a corrupted confused version by the people who really do have the disease/disorder

www.narth.org can help !!!

Also this can put things in direct bold perspective - http://www.solargeneral.com/library/FagFlyer.pdf

Bisexual people are still practicing Homosexuality .... Whether they have an inherited dispostion to it ...or the other 2nd form which is a corrupted confused version by the people who really do have the disease/disorder

www.narth.org can help !!!

Also this can put things in direct bold perspective - http://www.solargeneral.com/library/FagFlyer.pdf

Both of those are good for a laugh.. and nothin else. You have to have one seriously warped mind to believe in any of what either of those spew forth.

'Turning' someone who is homosexual into a heterosexual is about as realistic as 'turning' a heterosexual into a homosexual. Plus, its just stupid. Didn't the founders of one of those groups renounce it and return to being gay?

I guess your comments prove that ignorance knows no bounds. :)

Both of those are good for a laugh.. and nothin else. You have to have one seriously warped mind to believe in any of what either of those spew forth.

'Turning' someone who is homosexual into a heterosexual is about as realistic as 'turning' a heterosexual into a homosexual. Plus, its just stupid. Didn't the founders of one of those groups renounce it and return to being gay?

I guess your comments prove that ignorance knows no bounds. :)
Both of those are good for a laugh.. and nothin else. You have to have one seriously warped mind to believe in any of what either of those spew forth.

'Turning' someone who is homosexual into a heterosexual is about as realistic as 'turning' a heterosexual into a homosexual. Plus, its just stupid. Didn't the founders of one of those groups renounce it and return to being gay?

I guess your comments prove that ignorance knows no bounds. :)



Care to elaborate on my ignorance then ? To MY perspective you have to have a seriously warped mind to partake in homosexuality or bisexuality. TO ME it is a disease or at least a disorder that people get by coming into contact with one or more elements in the evironment and/or by a hormone deficit when the fetus is maturing .... It could be all the hormones in Milk for one example. I'd like to see if there's been any studies on homosexual people as well as Bisexual people ...especially in the homosexual people to see if they are less fertile than heterosexuals... If that's so then it could be nature getting rid of the "weak one's" ...if not it is surely a disorder/disease....why do a lot of them talk and walk distinctly ...I have even read that males that are homsexual have the same size brain or more closely to women in their respective racial identity group than they are to "normal" males. have any links ?

To MY perspective you have to have a seriously warped mind to partake in homosexuality or bisexuality.

Why?

Bisexual people are still practicing Homosexuality .... Whether they have an inherited dispostion to it ...or the other 2nd form which is a corrupted confused version by the people who really do have the disease/disorder

www.narth.org can help !!!

Also this can put things in direct bold perspective - http://www.solargeneral.com/library/FagFlyer.pdf

courage.org.uk