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Well, it seems to me that the entire Star Wars franchise has really lost its magic. While there are still plenty of die-hard, uber-faithful fanatics, I doubt that the movie will attract much attention from casual fans (ie, me).

Let the flames- er, games- begin!

Well, it seems to me that the entire Star Wars franchise has really lost its magic. While there are still plenty of die-hard, uber-faithful fanatics, I doubt that the movie will attract much attention from casual fans (ie, me).

Agreed.

I'm not expecting it to be anywhere near the original trilogy, all the enhanced effects and just computerish feeling of it has destroyed the "feeling" of the old dusty everyday galaxy Lucas originally had. But I certainly hope it will be far and ahead of Episode II (basically take Ep:II, and remove the love story which he sucks at writing, and Bam! at least a good movie). I'll go see it, and the only way I'll be disappointed is if Hayden Christiansen kills Mace Windu, he better die in some kickass way. The only way I will tolerate Anakin killing Mace Windu if it is in full Darth Vader outfit with James Earl Jones voice.

I'm not expecting it to be anywhere near the original trilogy, all the enhanced effects and just computerish feeling of it has destroyed the "feeling" of the old dusty everyday galaxy Lucas originally had. But I certainly hope it will be far and ahead of Episode II (basically take Ep:II, and remove the love story which he sucks at writing, and Bam! at least a good movie). I'll go see it, and the only way I'll be disappointed is if Hayden Christiansen kills Mace Windu, he better die in some kickass way. The only way I will tolerate Anakin killing Mace Windu if it is in full Darth Vader outfit with James Earl Jones voice.

I think Lucas sucks at writing, period. And I agree, it better be Vader (with JEJ's voice), not whiny Hayden Christensen (sp?) that kills Mace.

People perhaps expect a bit too much of it, in it's own right the first weren't complete flops. Most importantly liiiightsaber fights. Second was better than the first (Why Jar Jar why???) so i'm hoping the 3rd can pull back up to true star wars quality stuff.

I hope Jar Jar dies...violently. :D

Everyone can agree: Darth Vader with James Earl Jones Voice > Hayden Christianson.

Episodes I and II didn't really show a progression towards Darth Vader type evillity, so anything in III thats successful is gonna be rushed in that sense. There wasnt a development of the character in a believable way. I mean come on, boo hoo, I'm so amazing, Obe Wan treats me like a kid, now I'll just become the most evil guy in the universe for no reason? It takes more than his whining to be evil. And remember that crap with him running around in a field with Amidala? WTF! Someone who could EVER do something like that, could just NEVER become Darth Vader. It would be more believable if they had some random Ewok become Darth Vader instead.

i think that it'll suck. the new movies aren't near as good as the old ones, even though they are good. i think george lucas didn't think this through when he made these new ones. he is modifying the old ones to fit the new ones. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. that's how i feel about episodes 1, 2, and three3, and the rerelease of 4, 5, and 6.

Everyone can agree: Darth Vader with James Earl Jones Voice > Hayden Christianson.

Episodes I and II didn't really show a progression towards Darth Vader type evillity, so anything in III thats successful is gonna be rushed in that sense. There wasnt a development of the character in a believable way. I mean come on, boo hoo, I'm so amazing, Obe Wan treats me like a kid, now I'll just become the most evil guy in the universe for no reason? It takes more than his whining to be evil. And remember that crap with him running around in a field with Amidala? WTF! Someone who could EVER do something like that, could just NEVER become Darth Vader. It would be more believable if they had some random Ewok become Darth Vader instead.

Don't you see that's why they put the waterfall scene into AOTC? Anakin goes from being the loving young Jedi Padawan (with a liking for killing off Tuskan Raiders) to the icon of evil and Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Vader. It adds to his downfall.....

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Revenge of the Sith will be the best of the series. I have no doubts about that. It will also outsell AOTC, (but not TPM), because of the fact that this is the last Star Wars movie ever....and Lucas will market it as that....

Me!

I hope Jar Jar dies...violently. :D

Highlight to read:

He doesn't. Jar Jar Binks lives through Revenge of the Sith.....

Me!

Everyone can agree: Darth Vader with James Earl Jones Voice > Hayden Christianson.

Episodes I and II didn't really show a progression towards Darth Vader type evillity, so anything in III thats successful is gonna be rushed in that sense. There wasnt a development of the character in a believable way. I mean come on, boo hoo, I'm so amazing, Obe Wan treats me like a kid, now I'll just become the most evil guy in the universe for no reason? It takes more than his whining to be evil. And remember that crap with him running around in a field with Amidala? WTF! Someone who could EVER do something like that, could just NEVER become Darth Vader. It would be more believable if they had some random Ewok become Darth Vader instead.

Agreed.

What waterfall scene?

But come on, it just ruins the badass image we have of Darth Vader, to know that maybe 20 years before he was choking some random imperial subordinate to death with his mind, he was FROLICKING IN A FIELD WITH FLOWERS WITH GAY SAPPY MUSIC PLAYING LAUGHING LIKE A SCHOOLGIRL.

Boo. Even a formative Lord of Evil has to have better dignity than that.

Highlight to read:

He doesn't. Jar Jar Binks lives through Revenge of the Sith.....

Me!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! WHY, GOD, WHY!?

I think Lucas sucks at writing, period. And I agree, it better be Vader (with JEJ's voice), not whiny Hayden Christensen (sp?) that kills Mace.

Highlight again (this one's a more important spoiler):

It's Anakin as Anakin that slays Mace Windu. In front of Sidious. Vader doesn't come about until the end of the film. Long after Mace is dead.

Highlight again (this one's a more important spoiler):

It's Anakin as Anakin that slays Mace Windu. In front of Sidious. Vader doesn't come about until the end of the film. Long after Mace is dead.

Damn it. :mad:

Highlight again (this one's a more important spoiler):

It's Anakin as Anakin that slays Mace Windu. In front of Sidious. Vader doesn't come about until the end of the film. Long after Mace is dead.

Just out of curiosity, where are you getting these from.

And furthermore SON OF A BITCH!!! I will not stand for this, George Lucas, your ass is mine!!!

Highlight again (this one's a more important spoiler):

It's Anakin as Anakin that slays Mace Windu. In front of Sidious. Vader doesn't come about until the end of the film. Long after Mace is dead.

That makes sense, like testing. But where are you getting this information anyway? Maybe I can just go there and not have to see the actual movie.

What waterfall scene?

But come on, it just ruins the badass image we have of Darth Vader, to know that maybe 20 years before he was choking some random imperial subordinate to death with his mind, he was FROLICKING IN A FIELD WITH FLOWERS WITH GAY SAPPY MUSIC PLAYING LAUGHING LIKE A SCHOOLGIRL.

Boo. Even a formative Lord of Evil has to have better dignity than that.

The scenes with the field is called the waterfall scene amongst most Star Wars uber-losers, like myself.....

No, it doesn't ruin the badass image of Vader. It strengthens it. Anakin goes from frolicking in a field with his woman to fighting his former Jedi Master in Revenge of the Sith and killing him in A New Hope. But that's just the thing that Lucas is trying to show in the prequels.....Anakin Skywalker doesn't become Darth Vader -- he is Darth Vader. Right from the from the word 'go....'

Me!

Just out of curiosity, where are you getting these from.

And furthermore SON OF A BITCH!!! I will not stand for this, George Lucas, your ass is mine!!!

Hey, why don't we team up against him? ;)

Just out of curiosity, where are you getting these from.

And furthermore SON OF A BITCH!!! I will not stand for this, George Lucas, your ass is mine!!!

Months of reading TheForce.net......http://www.theforce.net....the ultimate Star Wars site in the world......

Me!

That's the trouble with these sorts of things ....

Star Wars: A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi were all created for children ... specifically, the targetted demographic was 8-13 year olds.

Just look up any of the old reviews from adult perspectives back then.

What happened, however, was that the generation (my generation) that Star Wars was made for grew up and when Lucas decided to get around to doing The Phantom Menace, we found it to be mindless pablum ... but we were looking at it from an Adult perspective.

Personally, I like all 5 movies. I have the original VHS of A New Hope that the scroll text says it's "Episode I" - it came out before Lucas decided to make the backstory, which he decided to do while working on Return of the Jedi. I also have the original VHS of Empire Strikes Back before they cut out Han Solo giving Luke Skywalker mouth to mouth.

But, then, I also have the Special Editions with all the add-ins and such.

I'm looking forward to Revenge of the Sith, but I don't expect it to be some amazing epic .... it's Star Wars, not Shakespeare.

That makes sense, like testing. But where are you getting this information anyway? Maybe I can just go there and not have to see the actual movie.

See my previous post..........TF.N has had running spoiler reports for the better part of a year now about Revenge of the Sith. They've been accurate on everything they've spoiled.....I knew about General Grievous six months before Lucasfilm officially announced him....

Me!

Hey, why don't we team up against him? ;)

You bring the boards, I'll bring the nails

Well if he IS Darth Vader, thats even more reason for him not to do that. I don't have to see someone go from the height of gayness (pick your meaning of the word here, either applies) to believe they are transitioning towards ever increasing states of evil. In my opinion, evil doesn't frolick. Ever.

I mean look at really evil people. Hitler. Stalin. Osama bin Laden. Pauly Shore.

They're stolid, they have deep seated issues and at no point in a biography of their evil do you want to see, nor could you believe if you saw it, them frolicking around like a dork. It just ruins the character.

You bring the boards, I'll bring the nails

Done and done! :D

Well if he IS Darth Vader, thats even more reason for him not to do that. I don't have to see someone go from the height of gayness (pick your meaning of the word here, either applies) to believe they are transitioning towards ever increasing states of evil. In my opinion, evil doesn't frolick. Ever.

I mean look at really evil people. Hitler. Stalin. Osama bin Laden. Pauly Shore.

They're stolid, they have deep seated issues and at no point in a biography of their evil do you want to see, nor could you believe if you saw it, them frolicking around like a dork. It just ruins the character.

Well said! :D

Well if he IS Darth Vader, thats even more reason for him not to do that. I don't have to see someone go from the height of gayness (pick your meaning of the word here, either applies) to believe they are transitioning towards ever increasing states of evil. In my opinion, evil doesn't frolick. Ever.

I mean look at really evil people. Hitler. Stalin. Osama bin Laden. Pauly Shore.

They're stolid, they have deep seated issues and at no point in a biography of their evil do you want to see, nor could you believe if you saw it, them frolicking around like a dork. It just ruins the character.

I don't see it as ruining the character. I see it as making him more evil. Consider it. He goes from being Richard Simmons in a field with Padme to hunting down and eliminating every single Jedi Knight.....

Hitler was once a peaceful artist. What went wrong?

Stalin....umm....well, never mind...Stalin was an assassin...bad example.... :p

(Osama bin Laden, Pauly Shore, and Robin Williams, in my opinion, are the Triumverate of Evil...but that's a different story....)

Lucas wants to show that Anakin just doesn't become Darth Vader for no reason....he shows that Anakin always was Darth Vader. From birth. Peacefully 'gay' Anakin kills off an entire village of Tuskens.......he later kills off Darth Tyranus, Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and every other Jedi Knight...and or is responsible for the death of every Jedi Knight....

Anakin, however, actually is the Force. In a human embodiment. Between Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi, no one is born to the lightside of the Force. Those that are born (Mara Jade, Kyle Katern) are born to the darkside (Katern converts himself, as does Mara later on). When Anakin sacrifices his life for the Force, he brings balance to it by killing Darth Sidious.....the whole character of Anakin is closely modelled after Jesus Christ.....

Me!

I like the newer movies. So I think the newest one will be great. As far as Anakin not being evil incarnate out of the womb that is just stupid. Remember Orwell "power corupts" just as any other starwars story i.e. KOTOR, the books. The Jedi usually start out good and then they are lured to abusing their power. Anakin had no power to abuse at that age. He was also innocent (how many 7 year olds do you see strangling birds?)
I think it makes Darth Vader more believable and Obi Wan training Anakin prematurely shows some foreshadowing. As far as the last movie ever I doubt it Lucas can whore it out a little more.

Blah, well Jesus Christ didn't frolick in a field with flowers either. He may have been in fields with flowers and been at peace but he didn't frolick there. Jesus Christ > Anakin.

And I know about the part with him killing a bunch of Tuskans. That doesn't make up for it. I have no respect for evil that frolicks. That is weak evil. That is evil that I am more evil than. That is evil I could crush with my buttock. Down with frolicking evil!

I mean what's next, transgendered furries become genocidal maniacs? Hitler was a peaceful artist... maybe. He was also a soldier, remember. And its one thing to be an artist and its totally different to be an artist... you guessed it... frolicking in a field with flowers!

:sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:

(And you're right, Robin Williams IS evil.)

IMHO Star Wars is inferior to Star Trek, period.

I know what you are thinking, "those crappy TV series with aliens who are nought more than humanoids with putty on their forehead".

A challenge for Star Wars fans - find a network that is willing to spend MILLIONS each TV episode of a Star War series making new alien species and characters.

Plus, character development in Star Trek is much deeper, even spritural. Plus you've got back-stabbing politics.

Star Wars is better than Star Trek in only one way, and that can be summed up in 2 words: Natalie Portman.

Grrr, thats we need is revive Star Trek. Lindsay Lohan or Kirsten Dunst as a regular character to attract teenage males to watch the show. *drools over image of Lohan in a tight bodysuit* *drools over image of Dunst with a really Starfleet uniform, then life support start failing and things get really cold 8-)*

JiangGuo

Here's my opinion.

The Star Wars story kicks butt! (All of the films)
However, the way the story is presented in the films does not.

And as for some of the actors...

Liam Neeson (Qui Gon) had the look of a worn and tested Jedi.
Ewan McGregor (Obi Won) looked like a true Jedi apprentice in E1, but looked almost fake in E2 (It was the beard).
Hayden Christenson (Anakin) well, Hayden just didn't potray Anakin well, either the skipping in a field way, or the "I'm turning evil and will massacre every last one of you" way.

The problem with Hayden is his dialogue sucked. This is partly Lucas' fault for writing that garbage that way, but I think Hayden could have done a much better job on the delivery.
And making R2 D2 a ""super-droid" was also a bad move. In the Trilogy, we see him and 3PO blown up and shot at and electrocuted many times. Not flying around on jumpjets and having heads transplanted onto battle droids.
And the field scene is excellent (in concept at least) because it shows how even such an innocent thing can lead to the dark side, and how unaware Anakin really is that he has started down the path.

With that said, and having read nothing until this thread about E3, I think it will be better than E2, about on par with E1, probably slightly better.
I myself actually enjoyed E1. It all depends what the plot centers on more. If it is Anakin and the dark side, and more violence, it whould appeal more. And hopefully, Lucas won't chop this one up between 2 storylines in the same film (hated that in E2).

IMHO Star Wars is inferior to Star Trek, period.

I know what you are thinking, "those crappy TV series with aliens who are nought more than humanoids with putty on their forehead".

A challenge for Star Wars fans - find a network that is willing to spend MILLIONS each TV episode of a Star War series making new alien species and characters.

Plus, character development in Star Trek is much deeper, even spritural. Plus you've got back-stabbing politics.

Star Wars is better than Star Trek in only one way, and that can be summed up in 2 words: Natalie Portman.

Grrr, thats we need is revive Star Trek. Lindsay Lohan or Kirsten Dunst as a regular character to attract teenage males to watch the show. *drools over image of Lohan in a tight bodysuit* *drools over image of Dunst with a really Starfleet uniform, then life support start failing and things get really cold 8-)*

JiangGuo

They're making a Star Wars live-action TV series to debut sometime after Revenge of the Sith or so Rick McCallum (EP of the prequels) has said.....

Me!

IMHO Star Wars is inferior to Star Trek, period.

I know what you are thinking, "those crappy TV series with aliens who are nought more than humanoids with putty on their forehead".

A challenge for Star Wars fans - find a network that is willing to spend MILLIONS each TV episode of a Star War series making new alien species and characters.

Plus, character development in Star Trek is much deeper, even spritural. Plus you've got back-stabbing politics.

Star Wars is better than Star Trek in only one way, and that can be summed up in 2 words: Natalie Portman.

Grrr, thats we need is revive Star Trek. Lindsay Lohan or Kirsten Dunst as a regular character to attract teenage males to watch the show. *drools over image of Lohan in a tight bodysuit* *drools over image of Dunst with a really Starfleet uniform, then life support start failing and things get really cold 8-)*

JiangGuo

Heh heh, I completely agree... with everything...

And the field scene is excellent (in concept at least) because it shows how even such an innocent thing can lead to the dark side, and how unaware Anakin really is that he has started down the path.


That's exactly what I'm saying....

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Screw it, make a StarCraft CG movie...

I've read the plot synopsis for E3, and it looks like it will be very cool.

That's what we've been waiting for, the actual transition from light to dark side for Anakin.

And Star Wars has always been somewhat cooler than Star Trek, don't ask me why, if anyone has any theories...

I'm a non-geek Star Wars fan. I just dig the whole dark/light thing, and the awesome light sabres. Yeah!

make a StarCraft CG movie...Cant wait for that one...

A good VG-based movie is pushing it. What people can't seem to understand is that we want a video game movie that is a cinimized version of the game.

A good VG-based movie is pushing it. What people can't seem to understand is that we want a video game movie that is a cinimized version of the game.
What does VG-based means?...or CG?

What does VG-based means?...or CG?

VG = Video-Game....
CG = Computer Graphic (shortened from Computer Generated Image)....

Me! = Colerica.....

A good VG-based movie is pushing it. What people can't seem to understand is that we want a video game movie that is a cinimized version of the game.

I myself liked the Final Fantasy movie, a lot, and it was CG (incredible CG!), although it wasn't really like the game.

And Resident Evil was good.

A Starcraft movie would be to much like AVP in my mind.

Instead, I think a Starcraft TV Series could be very good, if done in the style of Babylon 5/DS9. Using a mix of Actors and CG (the Zerg). But this isnt really the thread for that. :-D