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which was the best star trek series?

Classic Trek, of course!!! :D All the other series sucked in comparison (at least, that's my opinion).

From a vague fan (not hardcore in any sense of the word):

TOS, then TNG. DS9, VOY, ENT.

I didn't even bother watching VOY or ENT after a few episodes. Looks like it's getting steadily worse.

I did like the Terran Confederation Mirror Universe episodes though. Shame they destroyed it.

I'm a winner who hates em all.

I'm a winner who hates em all.
no, trekkies = winners.

The only one that was vaguely interesting was DS9 and only in the later seasons. It's amazing what'll happen when you actually throw in character development and consequences for a persons actions.

I'd rather watch Babylon 5, personally.

okay, i can see this thread going down in *flames* !!

i say TNG, VOY, TOS then DS9.
TNG proves than anybody can get it on!!
Bald men, klingons, bearded men, androids... they all get some!
gotta love the future!

I'm a winner who hates em all.

You hate Star Trek? Shame on you! You're a bad man! A bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad man! :mad:


(Just kidding! :D)

okay, i can see this thread going down in *flames* !!

why would it go down in flames? it's not like this is a hardcore trekkie forum where a debate about the best captain would ensue.

TNG is alright, but not the best. Its just that Picard pales in comparison to the other captains.. Picard was a diplomat, not a commander.

It's amazing what'll happen when you actually throw in character development and consequences for a persons actions.

StarTrek was never meant to be about the characters in it.. thats not what Gene Roddebury wanted.

it was about the best of what mankind could achieve...
just like legends and myth, the story and meaning meant more than the name of the man in it.

Picard was a diplomat, not a commander.

Both are about earning trust... the other captins always seemed to have so many personal *issues*, made me wonder if they'd survive a five year deep space assignement without a nervous breakdown...
Janeway clearly drank too much coffee :)

I wonder if Phase II would have been any good? Oh, well, we'll never know... :(

Voyager Voyager Voyager!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I like the other series too.

StarTrek was never meant to be about the characters in it.. thats not what Gene Roddebury wanted.

it was about the best of what mankind could achieve...
just like legends and myth, the story and meaning meant more than the name of the man in it.

What do you think makes a good story? Certainly not a long serial where incredible things that threaten the universe will happen and then have a 95% chance of being forgotten about the next day? The methods used to tell Star Trek is more reminiscent of a sitcom or childrens cartoon show than a real epic story.

I think the movies were the best, except the last one Nemesis, that one just sucked. And among the movies Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, and First Contact were the best.

I'd rather watch Babylon 5, personally.

Meh, only until Claudia Christian left.

However, Farscape was good until they cancelled it.

I think the movies were the best, except the last one Nemesis, that one just sucked. And among the movies Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, and First Contact were the best.

Except Nemesis? Lol, are you serious? You even liked Star Trek V?

Both are about earning trust... the other captins always seemed to have so many personal *issues*, made me wonder if they'd survive a five year deep space assignement without a nervous breakdown...
Janeway clearly drank too much coffee :)

By the end, I was wondering if Janeway was drinking testosterone. Or had plastic surgery gone wrong...

Who voted Enterprise? Why? Not to say it's bad (I like the Temporal Cold War in theory, not execution, and I like the Terran Confederation- (Fanfics Galore!)).. well, but I think it is.

Meh, only until Claudia Christian left.

However, Farscape was good until they cancelled it.

Excellent point. I think that Babylon 5: No surrender, no retreat has to be about the best season of television ever filmed.

Star Trek, all of it, pales in comparison.

I dont even consider enterprise to be trek

TNG should be way far out in the front

TNG should be way far out in the front

Sorry. The simple existence of "Counselor Troi: Federation Cheerleader" and "Wesley The Wonder Dog" rule it out on general principle.

I think the movies were the best, except the last one Nemesis, that one just sucked.
nemesis was great, even though data died. it still makes me cry when i watch that part. :'(

I guess it goes in the order they were made, with a vertical decline for Enterprise..sorry, ENT fans. I personally like VOY, but I think that's mainly because a woman's in charge (innate feminism coming out here) and because of the innumerable ways in which they managed to cut down their time :-D
However, the point about Picard being a diplomat is true; hence Janeway kicking arse better than he did, hehe. Although shirt-ripping, slow-talking Kirk is the best really.

We demand a Trek: Animated Series option!

how long was that on for?

how long was that on for?

1973-1974, 22 episodes IIRC.

how long was that on for?

Long enough to sear itself into my young, fragile and tenderly developing psyche. Thank you, BWO, for forcing that successfully repressed memory back to the surface.

1973-1974, 22 episodes IIRC.

was it just based off the original series but with new adventures?

was it just based off the original series but with new adventures?

Basically yes: a couple of new bridge officers also shared the spotlight with Spock, Kirk, Sulu, et. al.

We demand a Trek: Animated Series option!

Huh. Never knew you were a fan, BWO.

I like them all.

I like them all.

There's one episode of classic Trek that never aired in Germany. Have you heard of it?

Huh. Never knew you were a fan, BWO.

I'm not, but I seem to have picked up some knowledge which some fans do not possess somewhere along the line. The Animated Series is interesting because it marks the appearance of the Kzinti (a humanoid feline race) in a story by Larry Niven called The Slaver Weapon. Kzinti also appear throughout the rest of Larry Niven's Known Space series - the best known of which is Ringworld. It is entertaining mentioning the Kzinti in connection with Trek to sf fans to see if you can catch them out - "but there aren't any Kzinti in Trek..."

There's one episode of classic Trek that never aired in Germany. Have you heard of it?

Let me guess - the swatiska soaked one?

Let me guess - the swatiska soaked one?

Yep. 'Patterns of Force.' It's about a Nazi planet. (Please, don't ask)

the animated series was long before i was born and they don't replay it... therefore i only really vaguely heard of it.
i think i'll be downloading some episodes though.

bump

i think i'll be downloading some episodes though.

Prepare yourself for an 'experieince'.*




* I won't directly reveal whether I mean a good or a bad one here, but...

bump (again)

Everyone but TOS

bump

I believe it is bad etiquette to bump a topic while it still resides on the first page.

I believe it is bad etiquette to bump a topic while it still resides on the first page.

Er...sorry. :(

TNG is alright, but not the best. Its just that Picard pales in comparison to the other captains.. Picard was a diplomat, not a commander.

I couldn't agree more, in fact, I'd go one further: Picard was a bureaucrat, who cared more about the rules than anything else. Do you remember" The Galileo 7", from the original series? Kirk was the one who did everything he could to save his people. Picard wouldv'e been the rule-quoting govt. official.

Kirk was a warrior-king who would not have made his men do something that he wouldn't have done himself. Kirk was a leader who was willing to bend the prime directive if needed . He was passionate, and cared!

The original ST is the best, and sets the standard for all that came afterwards. Still oneof,if not the best, shows on t.v..

I couldn't decide between TNG and Voyager. The original was good but since it was the first try it wasn't the best and because it was made in the 60's and 70's the futuristic simulation is kind of tacky from my point of view. I haven't seen much at all of DS9, but I hate the Ferengi (though I don't know why) so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it. Enterprise is just such a disconnect - it looks newer but is supposed to be older than the original. It's a fairly good show, but it's just not Star Trek to me. I voted for Voyager, just because I've watched more of it than TNG.

The original series by far.
I had high hopes for the new prequel series but then it got bogged down with all of that freaking Xindi crap.
It's like they just create a new environment and paste on the TNG template every time they come out with a new version of Trek.
I don't care about the characters development.
None of them drink or smoke or get laid anyway.
They all act like bureaucrats with better jobs.
I want to see what's out there, in space that I haven't imagined before.
And no, not just some really smart reptiles, either.

Back to characters.
They ain't got warts.
Bogey was great because he was not perfect.
Clinton liked women.
Churchill was a manic depressive and a high functioning alcoholic.
Napoleon was so short that he could masturbate with his hand inside his jacket.
William S. Burroughs was a high functioning heroin addict.

That is interesting stuff.
Enterprise is just the DMV in space.

Gimme some poorly executed high concept ideas like the original Star Trek and I'll be a fan.
And for those of you who are gonna get your back up about the poorly thing, Star Trek was so high camp sometimes that it made Batman look like Shakespeare.

I couldn't agree more, in fact, I'd go one further: Picard was a bureaucrat, who cared more about the rules than anything else. Do you remember" The Galileo 7", from the original series? Kirk was the one who did everything he could to save his people. Picard wouldv'e been the rule-quoting govt. official.

Kirk was a warrior-king who would not have made his men do something that he wouldn't have done himself. Kirk was a leader who was willing to bend the prime directive if needed . He was passionate, and cared!

The original ST is the best, and sets the standard for all that came afterwards. Still oneof,if not the best, shows on t.v..
Picard was most certainly not a bureaucrat, he was adiplomat who had earnest and true intrest in peace. He was forthright, and in times of hostility an unbelievably brillian,resourceful and courages leader. He was different from Kirk, he didn't really on his guns, and yes he was a rule pusher, but he himself on many ocasions broke the rules. Picard obviously was comapssionate as he was wiiling to blow himself to smitherines for data in first contact. In insurrection he would have sacrificed himself for the bak'u, people he met only days earlier! He was certainly not a warrior king. Picard always did what he could to save his people, and people of every race! P!C4RD ! 73H 1137 PWNZ0R! Sorry, I just really like Picard.

Bogey was great because he was not perfect.
Clinton liked women.
Churchill was a manic depressive and a high functioning alcoholic.
Napoleon was so short that he could masturbate with his hand inside his jacket.
William S. Burroughs was a high functioning heroin addict.


Now that is a starship crew I would watch: let me guess, Burroughs plays Dr Benway, the ship's physician. What roles do the other ones get? Clinton is the captain that falls for anything in a skirt?



(Julian Cope reference in your name, perchance?)

Picard was most certainly not a bureaucrat, he was adiplomat who had earnest and true intrest in peace. He was forthright, and in times of hostility an unbelievably brillian,resourceful and courages leader. He was different from Kirk, he didn't really on his guns, and yes he was a rule pusher, but he himself on many ocasions broke the rules. Picard obviously was comapssionate as he was wiiling to blow himself to smitherines for data in first contact. In insurrection he would have sacrificed himself for the bak'u, people he met only days earlier! He was certainly not a warrior king. Picard always did what he could to save his people, and people of every race! P!C4RD ! 73H 1137 PWNZ0R! Sorry, I just really like Picard.

d*m right!!
People think was unable to take serious action when the time came..
he can.. the time just never came to force him to do that because *drum roll*
He finds another way! He works around the problem, and he has the loyalty of his crew who can find a non violent solution for him.
EG when he was surrounded by the romulan war birds and generally stuffed, we discoved he's thought of that already and has klingons standing by to scare the romulans off. I *LOVE* that bit. (in 'The defector')

couldn't agree more, in fact, I'd go one further: Picard was a bureaucrat, who cared more about the rules than anything else. Do you remember" The Galileo 7", from the original series? Kirk was the one who did everything he could to save his people. Picard wouldv'e been the rule-quoting govt. official.

Kirk was a warrior-king who would not have made his men do something that he wouldn't have done himself. Kirk was a leader who was willing to bend the prime directive if needed . He was passionate, and cared!

You're forgetting Captain Sisko.

He was a no bullshit guy, who did what had to be done. He even engaged in doing shady and questionable things for the greater good, such as the intentional framing so that the Romulans would join the Federation's war aganist the Dominion, instead of the other way around.



Personally I liked TNG and DS9 the best.

Voyager had a lot of bad storylines, and pussified the Borg, one of Star Trek's greatest villains. TNG kept the Borg extremely powerful and a looming threat that could strike unexpectedly and devasate the Federation.

TNG basically introduced me to Star Trek, and had some interesting story ideas.

DS9 had the best stories and the "gritty" human element. It is the only Trek that even comes close to Babylon 5's "grittiness". There were consquences, punishment, and guilt for your actions just like in the real world. Not some "lovey-dovey" rose colored view of the universe.


DS9 = #1 best Trek in my opinion.
TNG = #2 best Trek.

Go Sisko! Go Data! Go the Borg Collective! *Cheers them on*

I took note of the 8 votes for the Voyager series.

It makes me really wonder....

Are some Trek kiddies so desperate that they'd wank off to Janeway and Kes characters / RL actresses?

The same could be said for Trek kiddies wanking off to Deanna Troi, or Marina Sirtis the actress.... But TNG does have some solid points to offset the "Wank Factor" unlike Voyager.

One big "god-mod" in Voyager is the Delta Flyer.

One fucking shuttle standing aganist a BORG CUBE, which is a class of ship that destroyed 39 Federation WAR-ships at Wolf 359.

If thats not blatant god-moddery, pussification of a great TNG villain, and / or the biggest Trek wank off, I don't know what is!



Arguement aside... I just had to express my digust with the Voyager series, and my digust is of a high degree.

Whoever voted for Enterprise needs to suffer. Or maybe they like suffering and that is why they think it is the best.

I'm a Trekker, has been pretty dedicated until recently when a certain actress stole my attention.

Anyways, DS9 was the only decent series ever aired. They had character development (Especially for Dax, who was literally re-born), diplomatic stand-offs, political back-stabbing (*cough* Romulan *cough*), A WHOLE BLOODY WAR THAT TOOK NEARLY 2 SEASONS TO END (Some very good episodes in that).

No other ST series can claim they have all that. Why people like Voyager is beyond me, continuous plot-holes and disrepancies.
(eg. the count-the-quantum-torpedoes game, they must have fired at least 2000 rounds in the whole series when they're suppose to be carrying about 100 MAX)
(eg. Seven of Nine learned to be polite, learnt to eat in one episode but goes back to drone mode the next episode)
(eg. Shields always hold out long enough for something to be done! In the DS9 series, the Defiant, the protagonist's vessel, was lost fighting the Breen)

JiangGuo

I'm a Trekker, has been pretty dedicated until recently when a certain actress stole my attention.

Anyways, DS9 was the only decent series ever aired. They had character development (Especially for Dax, who was literally re-born), diplomatic stand-offs, political back-stabbing (*cough* Romulan *cough*), A WHOLE BLOODY WAR THAT TOOK NEARLY 2 SEASONS TO END (Some very good episodes in that).

No other ST series can claim they have all that. Why people like Voyager is beyond me, continuous plot-holes and disrepancies.
(eg. the count-the-quantum-torpedoes game, they must have fired at least 2000 rounds in the whole series when they're suppose to be carrying about 100 MAX)
(eg. Seven of Nine learned to be polite, learnt to eat in one episode but goes back to drone mode the next episode)
(eg. Shields always hold out long enough for something to be done! In the DS9 series, the Defiant, the protagonist's vessel, was lost fighting the Breen)

JiangGuo


At least someone sees Trek the same way I do.

Long Live DS9!!!!

*Overheard on the USS Voyager bridge*

Kim: Captain, we need to make a course correction. There's a planet directly in our path.
Janeway: Hit it.
Chakotay: Er, what?
Janeway: I said, hit it!
Chakotay: But, um, captain, it's a planet. An entire planet.
Janeway: So? Hit it!
Paris: I'll hit it.
Chakotay: Shut up, Paris. Captain, I really think you should reconsider this.
Janeway: Look, Chakotay, because of a painfully transparent plot device, I'm responsible for getting all the people on this ship home and if I can find a way to shave 0.001 seconds off of that trip by hitting a planet, then HIT THE PLANET! Besides, you've proved an unsatisfactory love interest for my character, so I'm cranky.
Paris: I'll hit that too!
Chakotay: I said SHUT UP, Paris, you drunk!
Torres: Oh, I KNOW you didn't just proposition the captain in front of me!
Paris: Hey, baby, don't sweat it. It's a long trip and I've got to keep The Paris Passion Pod in circulation.
Torres: Oh, hell no! I know my babydaddy don't want me to go all Jerry Springer up in this piece.
*lift doors open. Kes enters.*
Kes: I fell, like, psychic, you know, like, you should all, like, shut up because, like, I'm prettier than all of you, you know?
Janeway: Screw that. Space her. We'll see who's prettier afte five minutes in hard vacuum. On second thought, space her, then back the ship up and hit her. We can make the time up by hitting that planet.
*sound of an airlock cycling and a tiny thump on the ship's hull*
Paris: Damn, I didn't get to hit that yet.
Torres: Boy, did you just lose the last of your natural mind? What makes you think I won't cut you?
Chakotay: Captain, really, that makes five planets we've hit this week alone. Can we maybe just try to go around this one?
Janeway: Excuse me, who's the captain?
Chakotay: *pause* You are.
Janeway: Good, as long as WE ALL KNOW THAT
Chakotay: *mumbling* But I should be, you insane bitch.
Janeway: What was that?
Chakotay: Itch. I've got a nasty itch.
Janeway: Yeah, me too, and since you won't play "Earn the Medal" in my quarters, I guess it ain't going away.
Paris: Look, I said...
*Torres bitch slaps Paris*
Paris: Ow! Snugglebunnies! Snugglebunnies!
*pause*
Chakotay: Snugglebunnies?
Torres: It's our safety word, but that nasty man-ho don't deserve no safety.
*Torres bitch slaps Paris again*
Paris: SNUGGLEBUNNIES!!!
Chakotay: Look, everyone just shut up for a second.
Tuvok: Captain, I've stayed out of this because, let's face it, I'm just here for the paycheck, but the script says I have to tell you of a strange energy pulse heading towards the bridge.
Janeway: Can we hit it with the ship?
Tuvok: Um...no. No, I don't think that's a possibility.
Janeway: Then why are you bothering me?
Tuvok: To hell with this. I'll be in the holodeck running a "Shaft" simulation if anyone needs me...but you never do...so I don't know why I bother.
Torres: Damn, he whines a lot for a Vulcan.
Paris: Yeah, he sure was making noise last night when I hit...oops.
Torres: DAMN, BOY, YOU ARE NASTY!!!
Paris: Like I said, baby, it's a long trip.
*energy beam appears, Seven Of Nine steps out*
7of9: I am 7of9. I have been dispatched by the BabeBorg. I was captured as a small child and the BabeBorg added much technology to my weak human flesh, including bionic breast implants. My mission is to improve ratings and provide masturbatory fantasy material for millions of 40+ year old virgins worldwide. You will be Titilated. Absitance is futile.
Janeway: Well, since Chakotay is pretty much a dry well, maybe I can hit that.
Paris: That's the spirit! Can I watch?
*Torres shoots Paris with her phaser*
Paris: Snugglebu.......
Torres: Now, bitch, you want some of this too? Trying to take my man like some damn space ho.
7of9: I am far prettier than you, and my bionic breasts get ratings, therefore I don't have to listen to you. You will not be Titilated.
Torres: Damn right. Torres don't swing that way, space ho.
*Doctor appears*
Doctor: Am I in this episode?
All: NO!
Doctor: Well, it must suck then. Goodbye.
*Doctor disappears*
Janeway: Chakotay, have we hit that planet yet? Chakotay? Where the hell is Chakotay?
*Neelix, from ship intercom*
Neelix: Captain! Chakotay just busted into my food stores and robbed me of all sorts of things then mumbled something about boosting a shuttle and getting the hell off this godforsaken ship of death.
Kim: Hmmm, I always thought I would be the one to complain about someone robbing my grocery.
Janeway: Damn minorities. Thank you, Neelix. Quick question, does your species have penises and are they large?
Neelix: Um, I'm not sure how that's relevant, but Kes never complained. Where is she, anyway?
Janeway: Um...EVA.
Kim: Hey, captain, remember me? Yeah, we're going to hit that planet in about 10 seconds.
Janeway: Good, just in time for summer hiatus. They'll never cancel us with a cliffhanger like this!

*end scene*

i dont know that the concept of "best" applies to star trek

but i voted for ds9

in tng everything is PERFECT. no one works for MONEY, they are above the concept.

in TNG they have evolved beyond the ability to RUN. "captan the engines are gonna blow in 5 minutes" so they all walk smartly down to the engine room.

in ds9 they have problems, things need fixing, people are not perfect, well except for the doc who has become perfect illegally.

my fav ds9 episode is the one where the captain is locked in the interstitial void (wherever) and his son has to give up his dream of being a writer and devote his whole life to saving his father. i believe it made me cry

my fav tng episode is the one with the flute, where picard lives a whole life in another world. great one.

the original series makes me laugh now. like in the one with the mail order brides..."they have a strange effect on all the male members of the crew"
they were SOOO cheesy.

oh did i mention that i saw the original series when it first aired?

the original series makes me laugh now. like in the one with the mail order brides..."they have a strange effect on all the male members of the crew"

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I feel betrayed...

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They don't show up on my browser... apologies. I'll kill that link in the meantime.

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*Overheard on the USS Voyager bridge*

Kim: Captain, we need to make a course correction. There's a planet directly in our path.
Janeway: Hit it.
Chakotay: Er, what?
Janeway: I said, hit it!
Chakotay: But, um, captain, it's a planet. An entire planet.
Janeway: So? Hit it!
Paris: I'll hit it.
Chakotay: Shut up, Paris. Captain, I really think you should reconsider this.
Janeway: Look, Chakotay, because of a painfully transparent plot device, I'm responsible for getting all the people on this ship home and if I can find a way to shave 0.001 seconds off of that trip by hitting a planet, then HIT THE PLANET! Besides, you've proved an unsatisfactory love interest for my character, so I'm cranky.
Paris: I'll hit that too!
Chakotay: I said SHUT UP, Paris, you drunk!
Torres: Oh, I KNOW you didn't just proposition the captain in front of me!
Paris: Hey, baby, don't sweat it. It's a long trip and I've got to keep The Paris Passion Pod in circulation.
Torres: Oh, hell no! I know my babydaddy don't want me to go all Jerry Springer up in this piece.
*lift doors open. Kes enters.*
Kes: I fell, like, psychic, you know, like, you should all, like, shut up because, like, I'm prettier than all of you, you know?
Janeway: Screw that. Space her. We'll see who's prettier afte five minutes in hard vacuum. On second thought, space her, then back the ship up and hit her. We can make the time up by hitting that planet.
*sound of an airlock cycling and a tiny thump on the ship's hull*
Paris: Damn, I didn't get to hit that yet.
Torres: Boy, did you just lose the last of your natural mind? What makes you think I won't cut you?
Chakotay: Captain, really, that makes five planets we've hit this week alone. Can we maybe just try to go around this one?
Janeway: Excuse me, who's the captain?
Chakotay: *pause* You are.
Janeway: Good, as long as WE ALL KNOW THAT
Chakotay: *mumbling* But I should be, you insane bitch.
Janeway: What was that?
Chakotay: Itch. I've got a nasty itch.
Janeway: Yeah, me too, and since you won't play "Earn the Medal" in my quarters, I guess it ain't going away.
Paris: Look, I said...
*Torres bitch slaps Paris*
Paris: Ow! Snugglebunnies! Snugglebunnies!
*pause*
Chakotay: Snugglebunnies?
Torres: It's our safety word, but that nasty man-ho don't deserve no safety.
*Torres bitch slaps Paris again*
Paris: SNUGGLEBUNNIES!!!
Chakotay: Look, everyone just shut up for a second.
Tuvok: Captain, I've stayed out of this because, let's face it, I'm just here for the paycheck, but the script says I have to tell you of a strange energy pulse heading towards the bridge.
Janeway: Can we hit it with the ship?
Tuvok: Um...no. No, I don't think that's a possibility.
Janeway: Then why are you bothering me?
Tuvok: To hell with this. I'll be in the holodeck running a "Shaft" simulation if anyone needs me...but you never do...so I don't know why I bother.
Torres: Damn, he whines a lot for a Vulcan.
Paris: Yeah, he sure was making noise last night when I hit...oops.
Torres: DAMN, BOY, YOU ARE NASTY!!!
Paris: Like I said, baby, it's a long trip.
*energy beam appears, Seven Of Nine steps out*
7of9: I am 7of9. I have been dispatched by the BabeBorg. I was captured as a small child and the BabeBorg added much technology to my weak human flesh, including bionic breast implants. My mission is to improve ratings and provide masturbatory fantasy material for millions of 40+ year old virgins worldwide. You will be Titilated. Absitance is futile.
Janeway: Well, since Chakotay is pretty much a dry well, maybe I can hit that.
Paris: That's the spirit! Can I watch?
*Torres shoots Paris with her phaser*
Paris: Snugglebu.......
Torres: Now, bitch, you want some of this too? Trying to take my man like some damn space ho.
7of9: I am far prettier than you, and my bionic breasts get ratings, therefore I don't have to listen to you. You will not be Titilated.
Torres: Damn right. Torres don't swing that way, space ho.
*Doctor appears*
Doctor: Am I in this episode?
All: NO!
Doctor: Well, it must suck then. Goodbye.
*Doctor disappears*
Janeway: Chakotay, have we hit that planet yet? Chakotay? Where the hell is Chakotay?
*Neelix, from ship intercom*
Neelix: Captain! Chakotay just busted into my food stores and robbed me of all sorts of things then mumbled something about boosting a shuttle and getting the hell off this godforsaken ship of death.
Kim: Hmmm, I always thought I would be the one to complain about someone robbing my grocery.
Janeway: Damn minorities. Thank you, Neelix. Quick question, does your species have penises and are they large?
Neelix: Um, I'm not sure how that's relevant, but Kes never complained. Where is she, anyway?
Janeway: Um...EVA.
Kim: Hey, captain, remember me? Yeah, we're going to hit that planet in about 10 seconds.
Janeway: Good, just in time for summer hiatus. They'll never cancel us with a cliffhanger like this!

*end scene*


THIS IS THE FUNNIEST TREK I HAVE READ IN A LONG TIME!

DS9 was alright, I suppose.

Generally, though, Star Trek is rather poor, and only achieves such a huge following by virtue of it being practically the only regularly scheduled 'spaceships 'n' aliens' series on TV. I myself am frustrated by the fact that, yes, it is interplanetary sci-fi, the holiest of all genres, but just about every aspect of it could be drastically improved.

DS9 was alright, I suppose.

Generally, though, Star Trek is rather poor, and only achieves such a huge following by virtue of it being practically the only regularly scheduled 'spaceships 'n' aliens' series on TV. I myself am frustrated by the fact that, yes, it is interplanetary sci-fi, the holiest of all genres, but just about every aspect of it could be drastically improved.

Your forgetting two shows with a good following.

1. Babylon 5, a hell of a sci-fi show. It ran for 5 seasons. Has a spin-off, and several full feature movies.

2. Stargate SG-1. It is on its 8th season, the longest SINGLE running sci-fi TV series. It just started a spin-off, Stargate Atlantis.

Actually, if Stargate continues for 9th, 10th season... and more spin-offs it could topple the Trek Empire.

Your forgetting two shows with a good following.

1. Babylon 5, a hell of a sci-fi show. It ran for 5 seasons. Has a spin-off, and several full feature movies.
Wasn't Crusade cancelled after only one season?

At least someone sees Trek the same way I do.

Long Live DS9!!!!

There are actually a few of us out here...

Basically, if you liked plotlines that didn't have holes you could fly a Warbird through, decent character evolution (Bashir being a classic example), and the greatest enemy race - certainly most duplicitous - in the form of the Cardassians (Borg were great.... but look what Voyager did to them...), then you probably like DS9 best.

Your forgetting two shows with a good following.

1. Babylon 5, a hell of a sci-fi show. It ran for 5 seasons. Has a spin-off, and several full feature movies.

2. Stargate SG-1. It is on its 8th season, the longest SINGLE running sci-fi TV series. It just started a spin-off, Stargate Atlantis.

Actually, if Stargate continues for 9th, 10th season... and more spin-offs it could topple the Trek Empire.

Ack, forgot Babylon 5. To be honest, I've heard it's really good, but I never caught it whenever it was on, at least, not enough to understand it.

Also, I wouldn't really categorise SG-1 alongside Trek and B5; it has less of a space opera feel to it, probably because of the modern setting.

Everyone but TOS
Just TOS for me.

Ack, forgot Babylon 5. To be honest, I've heard it's really good, but I never caught it whenever it was on, at least, not enough to understand it.

Also, I wouldn't really categorise SG-1 alongside Trek and B5; it has less of a space opera feel to it, probably because of the modern setting.

Actually, the Stargate spinoff, Stargate Atlantis has a much higher tech level and potential.

In addition, there are plenty of space "opera", just in a different flavor. In Stargate, they have fleet battles, fighting wars, and visiting all different worlds. The only difference between Stargate and Star Trek exploring new worlds is the year / date, and means of travel.

Star Trek = spaceship travel

Stargate = wormhole travel, and spaceship travel on occassion.

Now that it seems to have been established that there isn't really a 'best' ST series, as many people deem other people's views as crap, although the general consensus (note "general") seems to be TOS = good-on-some-level, the perfect ST series would be:

* One with the humour of TOS.
* The special effects of the later ones.
* Characters with chemistry like in TOS.
* A war or something important that shows us the 'other' side of humanity (or whatever you call that in ST) like in DS9.
* No borg (even I was getting annoyed with the borg-ness of VOY).
* No Xindi or whatever the hell those time-changing aliens call them friggin' selves.
* Vulcans a la ENT (I don't know why I like them, but they seem kind of better here...maybe I like the idea of humans as the underdog? :-S)
* Klingons! You can never have too many Klingons! (As shown in TNG).
* The holodoc from VOY or some incarnation of him...kind of before he learnt his bedside manner, but after Kes saw him as a person - the 'I'm a holo-b**tard but hey, its my programming' stage.
* Uniforms that rip easily (esp on good looking male characters ;-) but dont need pulling down every 2 minutes.

Anything else?

Now that it seems to have been established that there isn't really a 'best' ST series, as many people deem other people's views as crap, although the general consensus (note "general") seems to be TOS = good-on-some-level, the perfect ST series would be:

* One with the humour of TOS.
* The special effects of the later ones.
* Characters with chemistry like in TOS.
* A war or something important that shows us the 'other' side of humanity (or whatever you call that in ST) like in DS9.
* No borg (even I was getting annoyed with the borg-ness of VOY).
* No Xindi or whatever the hell those time-changing aliens call them friggin' selves.
* Vulcans a la ENT (I don't know why I like them, but they seem kind of better here...maybe I like the idea of humans as the underdog? :-S)
* Klingons! You can never have too many Klingons! (As shown in TNG).
* The holodoc from VOY or some incarnation of him...kind of before he learnt his bedside manner, but after Kes saw him as a person - the 'I'm a holo-b**tard but hey, its my programming' stage.
* Uniforms that rip easily (esp on good looking male characters ;-) but dont need pulling down every 2 minutes.

Anything else?

How about...

A realistic view of futuristic society, rather than an Anarcho-communist's wet dream.

Weapons that go bang, rather than those limp phasers that everyone seems to have. It doesn't matter how powerful they're supposed to be, they look and sound pathetic. Break out the gauss rifles!

Less generic aliens, although I can't imagine Star Trek will ever invest any effort in alien design.

No time travel! I hate time travel! It's not possible! History is not recorded somewhere for you to rewind it and go trotting around the 20th century!

righty ho, I'm in a ranting mood... mwa ha ha...

hw the fuck cn u say the last option as 'i'm a loser who hates them all'? ALL STAR TREK SERIES SUCK! And it's not only losers who don't like star trek, in fact the majority of losers are trekkies. You hear me! And what kind of a name is trekkie anyway? Why can't they call themselves something more appropriate, for example: losers with no life that watch star trek. That would be far more fitting.

*rant-rant*

Well, the next generation of course with captain Jean-Luc Picard and lieutenant Data.

Did any of you realise there is noone from the middle east in star trek Maybe it truly is the future lol

THIS IS THE FUNNIEST TREK I HAVE READ IN A LONG TIME!

DAM I HURT. THAT WAS FUNNY IN A WAY I NEVER EXPECT TO SEE IN A FORUM. GIVE THAT MAN A JOB

which was the best star trek series?


The Next Generation! :D

I took note of the 8 votes for the Voyager series.

It makes me really wonder....

Are some Trek kiddies so desperate that they'd wank off to Janeway and Kes characters / RL actresses?.

HEY! I find that offensive! I liked the storyline. Sure, it's the only one I've watched more than a season's worth from, but still. You shouldn't precede your arguments with flamebait like that.

One big "god-mod" in Voyager is the Delta Flyer.

One fucking shuttle standing aganist a BORG CUBE, which is a class of ship that destroyed 39 Federation WAR-ships at Wolf 359.

If thats not blatant god-moddery, pussification of a great TNG villain, and / or the biggest Trek wank off, I don't know what is!


Arguement aside... I just had to express my digust with the Voyager series, and my digust is of a high degree.

Huh. I didn't know the history of the borg, but I see what you're saying, based on your argument. Still, I loved Voyager and watched almost the entire series.

I really don't like the original series or Enterprise a lot. TNG, DS9, and Voyager are tied, I guess. DS9 had the best plot by but seemed rather dark. TNG was a lot more upbeat, at times a little too much so.

Are some Trek kiddies so desperate that they'd wank off to Janeway and Kes characters / RL actresses?
Just 7of9. :D



One big "god-mod" in Voyager is the Delta Flyer.

One fucking shuttle standing aganist a BORG CUBE, which is a class of ship that destroyed 39 Federation WAR-ships at Wolf 359.

If thats not blatant god-moddery, pussification of a great TNG villain, and / or the biggest Trek wank off, I don't know what is!

They did have technology from the future. And Janeway had a few decades to prepare for it. Funny thing bout Endgame, they had hull plating. :D Like the Enterprise NX-class.

But there was one inconsistenty(sp) in Voyager I noticed. When Voyager was drawn into the delta quadrant. That was before the Dominion war. Later on the Maquise crew members learned that their fellow Maquise were slaughtered by the Cardassians and the Dominion. And yet in one episode Janeway talks about Starfleet Academy beeing filled with reqruits from dozens of worlds. She also mentioned the Ferengi. But to my knowledge Nog, Quarks nephew, was the only Ferengi to serve in Starfleet. And he stayed the only Starfleet Ferengi throughout the DS9 series.

Star Trek is gay,

They always get attacked, and then when they try to return fire - thier 'weapons systems are offline', when they try and beam somebody out 'they can't get a transport lock' (Usually due to too much homosexual activity) and whenever they actually fight they always get battered and then manage to rebuild the ship to look as good as new within 3 hours.

But there was one inconsistenty(sp) in Voyager I noticed. When Voyager was drawn into the delta quadrant. That was before the Dominion war. Later on the Maquise crew members learned that their fellow Maquise were slaughtered by the Cardassians and the Dominion. And yet in one episode Janeway talks about Starfleet Academy beeing filled with reqruits from dozens of worlds. She also mentioned the Ferengi. But to my knowledge Nog, Quarks nephew, was the only Ferengi to serve in Starfleet. And he stayed the only Starfleet Ferengi throughout the DS9 series.

VW, you're very lucky. The episode 'Patterns of Force' (classic Trek) was never shown in your country. It's a bad, bad, bad, bad episode. Poorly written, ridiculous premise, and flat-out boring. :(

VW, you're very lucky. The episode 'Patterns of Force' (classic Trek) was never shown in your country. It's a bad, bad, bad, bad episode. Poorly written, ridiculous premise, and flat-out boring. :(
TOS? Sooo, what does that have to do with me discovering a flaw in Voyager?

Gundam is the only space sci-fi epic for me

But there was one inconsistenty(sp) in Voyager I noticed. When Voyager was drawn into the delta quadrant. That was before the Dominion war. Later on the Maquise crew members learned that their fellow Maquise were slaughtered by the Cardassians and the Dominion. And yet in one episode Janeway talks about Starfleet Academy beeing filled with reqruits from dozens of worlds. She also mentioned the Ferengi. But to my knowledge Nog, Quarks nephew, was the only Ferengi to serve in Starfleet. And he stayed the only Starfleet Ferengi throughout the DS9 series.


I don't see the inconsistency. Yes, there were Maquis crew members on voyager. how is this supposed to prevent the cardassians from killing any more maquis? and how is this contradictory to there being recruits form many worlds?

And did they actually say that there was only one ferengi in starfleet?

TOS? Sooo, what does that have to do with me discovering a flaw in Voyager?

It doesn't. Sorry, I meant to click on 'Reply,' not 'Quote.' My fault. :(

rebuild the ship to look as good as new within 3 hours.

I know. That always annoyed me.

I don't see the inconsistency. Yes, there were Maquis crew members on voyager. how is this supposed to prevent the cardassians from killing any more maquis? and how is this contradictory to there being recruits form many worlds?
No. It's not. I was just using that to show that they were drawn into the delta quadrant before the war. And untill the Dominion war there were no Ferengi's in Starfleet.

And did they actually say that there was only one ferengi in starfleet?
Yes. They did. Can't name the ep. But it was said on several occasions. The one I remember the clearest is when Jake Sisko and Nog or on their way to Ferengenar. Jake is trying to get Nog to tell him what his secret Starfleet assignment is. Must be an alliance, Jake says, Starfleet sends the only Ferengi they have to bring a message to the Grand Nagus. And then they are attacked by a Dominion ship and rescued by the USS: Defiants sistership. Which was on a training mission with the Red Squad.

I prefer Farscape and Stargate to anything else, Especially Star Trek.

I prefer Farscape and Stargate to anything else, Especially Star Trek.
Rygel is funny.

I think DS9 kicks the most ass. Between the ships, the Dominion War, and the ongoing conflict with Odo and Quark make it an awesome and humorous series.

Rygel is funny.

Indeed!

The Next Generation is the best. It had Data, for one, and he's the best. It had other memorable characters like Geordi and Worf (although admittedly DS9 had Worf too). Whoopi Goldberg also had a recurring role in it. And come on, there wouldn't be a Deep Space Nine without The Next Generation. Voyager I'm not sure about. I'll get back to you on that.

If I were to make a second choice, it would definitely be the original. Kirk, Spock, Scotty (my favorite!), Ubora (sp?), Chekov and Sulu are easily some of the most famous characters in history.

I like them all, but Voyager is my fave, closely followed by DS9 and Enterprise.

Original ST is cool, but SFX and storylines are a bit dated these days, and Next Gen. was great towards the end but early series were also plagued with poor SFX and awkward/unrealistic character development.

Besides, Voyager has one thing the others don't: Seven-of-42DD ;) (although T'Pol is pretty tasty, too) :) I think I just love cold, emotionless women...

I thought her name was Seven of Nine...

Yes, it's a joke nickname the community gave her due to her improbably large breasts that seem to grow a little each series...;)

The original series by far.
I had high hopes for the new prequel series but then it got bogged down with all of that freaking Xindi crap.
It's like they just create a new environment and paste on the TNG template every time they come out with a new version of Trek.
I don't care about the characters development.
None of them drink or smoke or get laid anyway.
They all act like bureaucrats with better jobs.
I want to see what's out there, in space that I haven't imagined before.
And no, not just some really smart reptiles, either.

Back to characters.
They ain't got warts.
Bogey was great because he was not perfect.
Clinton liked women.
Churchill was a manic depressive and a high functioning alcoholic.
Napoleon was so short that he could masturbate with his hand inside his jacket.
William S. Burroughs was a high functioning heroin addict.

That is interesting stuff.
Enterprise is just the DMV in space.

Gimme some poorly executed high concept ideas like the original Star Trek and I'll be a fan.
And for those of you who are gonna get your back up about the poorly thing, Star Trek was so high camp sometimes that it made Batman look like Shakespeare.

Napoleon was in fact 5'7 which was the average height back then. Most people assume he was very short but he was not.

hmm, I side with the minority opinion in this one, I preferred DS9 and Voyager, to the exclusion of others in the frenchise. The F/X is better, and the set is more solidly constructed, so there is almost none of the "plywood sway" that plague ST ship corridors that makes the show more like a stage production than a TV series. Also, DS9 and Voyager had more convincing character development, in that you can almost see the individual characters accumulating "job points" or "XP" (to borrow some RPG convention) before they could perform more impressive task. All the other series seem to rely too much on fuzzy dice rolling so that someone can reach philosophical/moral enlightenment and then solve some contrived bureacratic/cultural problem.

hmm, I side with the minority opinion in this one, I preferred DS9 and Voyager, to the exclusion of others in the frenchise. The F/X is better, and the set is more solidly constructed, so there is almost none of the "plywood sway" that plague ST ship corridors that makes the show more like a stage production than a TV series. Also, DS9 and Voyager had more convincing character development, in that you can almost see the individual characters accumulating "job points" or "XP" (to borrow some RPG convention) before they could perform more impressive task. All the other series seem to rely too much on fuzzy dice rolling so that someone can reach philosophical/moral enlightenment and then solve some contrived bureacratic/cultural problem.

I completely agree with you on this. However I will say that I liked TNG much better than DS9. I could never get into DS9. It just seemed to me much more lifelike and that's not what I pay my cable bill to see.

I would like to know why people rate Voyager as their favorite? How can people actually consider Captain Jane-Way-Up-Yours and the poor plots in Voyager the best?

A fucking shuttle holding its own aganist a Borg CUBE.... then Borg Tactical Cube (even though Delta Flyer got ruined in the end. But not after it endured for far longer than it was supposed to). Also, these transphasic torpedos. A huge cop-out to ruin the Borg. Admittely the Ablative Armor was nice, but still...

Delta Flyer and Transphasic Torpedo = a blatant god-mod in Star Trek. :upyours: that!

Also Voyager ruined one of Star Trek's best villians. The Borg. They kicked serious ass in TNG. Then became pussies and wimps in Voyager.


You know what? I'd love to make a time machine, go back in time... then kill the Voyager writers. I hire DS9, Babylon 5, or Stargate SG-1 quality writers to write for Voyager. Then I'll take 7 of 9 for myself, bring her to my modern time, and have fun for years. :fluffle:


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I agree with some of your points on Voyager - Janeway did rely a little too much on the "magic button" to overcome obstacles. While all ST series are guilty of this to a degree, Voyager is the worst offender.

"Magic button" theory is as follows: whenever the crew face an opponent or obstacle that seems utterly undefeatable (Borg, a black hole, a supernova, an enetire fleet of Cardassian warships), instead of using a clever plot twist or a genuinely ingenious plot device, some member of the crew presents the captain with a "magic button".

"Oh, if we hook up the hooseywhatsit to the main thingamabob and channel the power from the primary widget, we can invert the suchandsuch field!". So instead of writing a clever plot to overcome the enemy, some nonsensical pseudo-scientific gobbledygook is used instead...

"Oh, if we hook up the hooseywhatsit to the main thingamabob and channel the power from the primary widget, we can invert the suchandsuch field!". So instead of writing a clever plot to overcome the enemy, some nonsensical pseudo-scientific gobbledygook is used instead...

To be honest, I think that's the whole of Star Trek in a nutshell. That's why I prefer star wars; it has countless shortcomings also, but at least it doesn't patronise you with pseudo-science.

New Frontier is the best Trek ever.

SG-1 is better though.

I loved the Voyager spin-off, because it was so original from the rest of the series; I was glad to see Voyager make it back to Earth at the end.

Besides, Jeri Ryan is hot! :p

By the way, it was not the Delta Flyer that had transphasic torpedoes, and they aren't a god mod because they are decades older than the current borg right? So they were unprepared to face such awesome power. Yet in the future I am sure they aren't as effective. And God Mod? Come on folks, this is a T.V. show not an RP.

I agree with some of your points on Voyager - Janeway did rely a little too much on the "magic button" to overcome obstacles. While all ST series are guilty of this to a degree, Voyager is the worst offender.

"Magic button" theory is as follows: whenever the crew face an opponent or obstacle that seems utterly undefeatable (Borg, a black hole, a supernova, an enetire fleet of Cardassian warships), instead of using a clever plot twist or a genuinely ingenious plot device, some member of the crew presents the captain with a "magic button".

"Oh, if we hook up the hooseywhatsit to the main thingamabob and channel the power from the primary widget, we can invert the suchandsuch field!". So instead of writing a clever plot to overcome the enemy, some nonsensical pseudo-scientific gobbledygook is used instead...

The correct term is 'Deus Ex Machina.'

I loved the Voyager spin-off
What spin off? :confused:

Live long and Prosper, Trekkies! (actually a good friend of mine really is a Trekkie)

The correct term is 'Deus Ex Machina.'

Thanks for that alternate term ;)

Classic Trek, of course!!! :D All the other series sucked in comparison (at least, that's my opinion).

Original was actually far grittier than all the other series, it was just the way it was done that masked this. If it was made again today by someone closer to Rodenberry's ideas than Berman has turned out to be then it would probably be a 12 rated rather than a U rated.

I like DS9, lots of combat.
For those wo watch DS9, the best episode has to be sacrifice of angels. (The USS Venture kicks arse in the episode!)

DS9! War! It be brilliant!

I suppose you could say that DS9 was a remake of the original in its spirit.
It wasn't afraid to draw obvious parallels with modern society and it was engaging and imaginative. I think the best captain ever was Picard and DS9 lacked the reassurance of having a Shakespearian trained captain. However, Cisco provided the little acknowledged character of a single dad juggling parenthood and career and was still a good captain in the later series, although not initially (but only because he was not a captain then :p).

By the way, it was not the Delta Flyer that had transphasic torpedoes, and they aren't a god mod because they are decades older than the current borg right? So they were unprepared to face such awesome power. Yet in the future I am sure they aren't as effective. And God Mod? Come on folks, this is a T.V. show not an RP.

I am very well aware that the Transphasic torpedoes are a futurstic weapon. But it is a very cheap cop-out to destroy lots of Borg during Voyager's last 2 episodes, "Endgame".

It would be a TV version of a God-Mod.

Delta Flyer is a shuttle. It does some impossible things, such as holding off a Borg Cube, the same type of ship that killed 39 Federation WARSHIPS at Wolf 359.

Are you telling me the Delta Flyer is better than 39 Federation Warships put all together? Please!

The Delta Flyer is another blatant TV version of a God-Mod.


The only things I liked about Voyager were....

1. 7 of 9. You gotta admit that the actress was hot. Without her, Voyager would have shriveled up and died.

2. The Doctor. Having an holographic version of Data is interesting.

3. Species 8742. Having a species from a completely different type of universe (Fluidic Space without any planets or suns) is original. This is one of the very rare times Voyager actually comes up with original ideas.