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For some odd reason the idea of the Global United States of America or maybe the United States of the World really calls to me. Yeah, I know this is an impossible idea, at least for the next 10 or 15 years but it still comforts me to think about it.

Any takers?

World Goverment would be nice, but it'd get ripped apart too easily by internal strife.

Now, if it were instituted slowly, it could work, but not the United States- too many nations hate us to the core.

Also, not the UN. With the recent invasion of Iraq, they've proven they will do nothing against the US and probably any other country with The Bomb or even just a sizable army.

In addition, if it were a democracy, China and India would practically decide the president. Even with electoral votes- there's a lot of Chinese and a ton of Indians.

For some odd reason the idea of the Global United States of America or maybe the United States of the World really calls to me. Yeah, I know this is an impossible idea, at least for the next 10 or 15 years but it still comforts me to think about it.

Any takers?
To be honest with you, it's more probable that the United States of America includes states in what was once Canada, Mexico, the Carribean, and Central America. It's not exactly the most probable situation, but it's possible. After all, I'm sure that these new states wouldn't mind intergration once the money starts flowing. They even have representitives in Congress, and can vote in our presidential elections.

I think it's apparent that once your population reaches a certain massive size that democracy isn't an option any more. One voice, one vote just doesn't cut it when the voices are in the billions.

The idea of world government scares the living hell out of me. It doesn't scare our government, though. After all, Presidents Woodrow Wilson and FDR through Dubya have done everything in their power to accelerate the course toward a global empire.

Death to the United Nations!

Death to the New World Order!

Death to World Government!


Long live isolationism!

I think it's apparent that once your population reaches a certain massive size that democracy isn't an option any more. One voice, one vote just doesn't cut it when the voices are in the billions.

Exactly. Just as we [Ed- The World's Civilizations, that is] began in monarchy, as we grow, we'll fall back into rule by few again- sooner or later. Right now, unless we get world government, it won't happen, but eventually. I for one hope we never reach that day. If there's anything proven by history, it's that one man ruling a country absolutely never ends well.

The collary being that, if it does, it ends worse than normal after his sucessors break it apart.

The only way you could keep democracy is if you dienfranchise a ton of people. Say, only those who served in the military (Heinlen), or those of a certain race, or randomly choose people out of a database to get a smaller poll population (Say, 500 million instead of 10 billion.)

The idea of world government scares the living hell out of me. It doesn't scare our government, though. After all, Presidents Woodrow Wilson and FDR through Dubya have done everything in their power to accelerate the course toward a global empire.
If they weren't around, however, none of the world outside the US and the British Empire would even have a trace of democracy and the free markets we so value today.

I think it's apparent that once your population reaches a certain massive size that democracy isn't an option any more. One voice, one vote just doesn't cut it when the voices are in the billions.

What about India?

As for Manifest Destiny- the belief that we get land because it's so obvious that God intends for us to do it- I say it should end in 1850 and not be brought up again.

Death to the United Nations!

Death to the New World Order!

Death to World Government!


Long live isolationism!

HELL YEAH!!!!!!!! :D

The UN isn't a world government any more than gum on my shoe is food.

What New World Order?

And you can't kill something that doesn't exist yet. Causality and all.

What about India?

As for Manifest Destiny- the belief that we get land because it's so obvious that God intends for us to do it- I say it should end in 1850 and not be brought up again.

This is what I think of India and democracy:

http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/ind-summary-eng

Read the report on America as well. We're not that bad but if the trend started during this 'war on terrorism' continues, well....

The UN isn't a world government any more than gum on my shoe is food.

What New World Order?

And you can't kill something that doesn't exist yet. Causality and all.

Never said it was a world government...yet. Its founders did, however, intend for it to eventually become one.

Never heard of the New World Order? It's a phrase internationalists have been using for centuries, starting with the Illuminati. The Illuminati's goal was to overthrow all governments and religious institutions, and establish a 'new world order' and rule the world. The goal hasn't changed. The disciples of Adam Weishaupt and his Illuminati- Wilson, House, the CFR, the TC, the Bilderbergers, the UN, FDR, Bush, etc.- were and are striving for the same goal.

What New World Order?

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How about when George Bush Sr said, "Let us build the New World Order!"

How about when George Bush Sr said, "Let us build the New World Order!"

That's the one. At least George H.W. Bush was honest about his internationalism, and didn't try to cloak it behind pseudo-patriotic rhetoric, like FDR through Reagan, Clinton, Bush II, and Kerry do.

To be honest though, I think that the only nation that COULD build an international government would be the United States of America. I don't see any other nations having the military, economic power, and government template to even have a chance.

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To be honest though, I think that the only nation that COULD build an international government would be the United States of America. I don't see any other nations having the military, economic power, and government template to even have a chance.

Well, as I said, Wilson, FDR through Bush, their advisors, and other politicians (like Kerry) have desired an international government for a long, long, time, and have done everything in their power to give birth to one.

Never said it was a world government...yet. Its founders did, however, intend for it to eventually become one.

Never heard of the New World Order? It's a phrase internationalists have been using for centuries, starting with the Illuminati. The Illuminati's goal was to overthrow all governments and religious institutions, and establish a 'new world order' and rule the world. The goal hasn't changed. The disciples of Adam Weishaupt and his Illuminati- Wilson, House, the CFR, the TC, the Bilderbergers, the UN, FDR, Bush, etc.- were and are striving for the same goal.

*giggle*

The illuminati? The Bavarian Illuminati? Yeah, and let's go look in that huge warehouse for the Ark of the Covenent and the Crystal Skull...

To be honest though, I think that the only nation that COULD build an international government would be the United States of America. I don't see any other nations having the military, economic power, and government template to even have a chance.
Then check this out:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=345572
I think you'll like it.

*giggle*

The illuminati? The Bavarian Illuminati? Yeah, and let's go look in that huge warehouse for the Ark of the Covenent and the Crystal Skull...

Yes, the illuminati. That's the exact phrase they used, 'new world order.' Internationalists throughout the 20th century have used it as well- especially Bush the First, as Communist Mississippi mentioned.

I think it's apparent that once your population reaches a certain massive size that democracy isn't an option any more. One voice, one vote just doesn't cut it when the voices are in the billions.

Thats why you need to combine democracy with capitalism, by combining democratic elections with a stock exchange system whereby you can legally trade votes, invest in votes, etc etc. It'll be great!

Yes, the illuminati. That's the exact phrase they used, 'new world order.' Internationalists throughout the 20th century have used it as well- especially Bush the First, as Communist Mississippi mentioned.

So what? The illuminati died out over a hundred years ago, if not longer. Might as well blame the Martians for interfering with anti-NWO radio signals.

As for Aitch Dubya... Well, all American politicians are in some way for World Government- they'd take it if they could for free, and many would fight for it if they knew they could win.

So what? The illuminati died out over a hundred years ago, if not longer. Might as well blame the Martians for interfering with anti-NWO radio signals.

As for Aitch Dubya... Well, all American politicians are in some way for World Government- they'd take it if they could for free, and many would fight for it if they knew they could win.


I'm starting to think you're a mason. A 32nd degree ring-knocker. :D

Never said it was a world government...yet. Its founders did, however, intend for it to eventually become one.

Never heard of the New World Order? It's a phrase internationalists have been using for centuries, starting with the Illuminati. The Illuminati's goal was to overthrow all governments and religious institutions, and establish a 'new world order' and rule the world. The goal hasn't changed. The disciples of Adam Weishaupt and his Illuminati- Wilson, House, the CFR, the TC, the Bilderbergers, the UN, FDR, Bush, etc.- were and are striving for the same goal.
And why is this a bad thing?

I would like to see the US rule the world and the rest of the countries be enslaved but that wont happen.(That doesn't include Britain, Isreal, China, India, or Austrailia because I like all of them except China and India but their just to big to occupy)

And why is this a bad thing?

Let's not kid ourselves. Do you honestly believe a world government would be even remotely similar to our type of government, that we would have any of the freedoms we currently enjoy? (Although, of course, the Democrats and Republicans are flushing those freedoms right down the toilet...:() Of course not. The internationalists- especially in the UN- prefer totalitarianism and radical socialism over republican government and the free-market.

Europe is authoritarian socialist? (It's the only socialist area I know of) Funny!

32nd degree mason? Because I said that the Illuminati are a tin-foil hatted pipe dream?

If we had world government, it'd take to to institute it. Freedom would be needed, or freer nations would not join by choice. America would be a cornerstone, and you can't force America to do anything. So it'd need to be as free, if not more, than the US.

This is a long-time institution of World Government we're talking about. Gradually. Not a rapid incorporation or any military action. There's no World Governmentia to even have any military to threaten naions into joining, anyhow.

And the EU isn't much better a candidate for World Government, too, btw. Too much bickering to present a united front, and not enough credibility or trust from the west.

Let's not kid ourselves. Do you honestly believe a world government would be even remotely similar to our type of government, that we would have any of the freedoms we currently enjoy? (Although, of course, the Democrats and Republicans are flushing those freedoms right down the toilet...:() Of course not. The internationalists- especially in the UN- prefer totalitarianism and radical socialism over republican government and the free-market.
They've been promoting these concepts. You accuse Wilson of being the first of these rulers you dislike, yet with what he did to the Treaty of Versailles, he pioneered democracy and the free markets around the world. Much of the world, including the US and Europe, has more freedoms then than a century ago.

They've been promoting these concepts. You accuse Wilson of being the first of these rulers you dislike, yet with what he did to the Treaty of Versailles, he pioneered democracy and the free markets around the world. Much of the world, including the US and Europe, has more freedoms then than a century ago.

I don't see how Wilson pioneered the free market. After all, his main advisor, Edward Mandell House, was a Marxist, and Wilson frequently said, "Mr. House is my second self. His thoughts and mine are one." And many of Wilson's actions- the income tax, the creation of the Federal Reserve, his strong anti-business policies- were far from capitalist.

I don't see how Wilson pioneered the free market. After all, his main advisor, Edward Mandell House, was a Marxist, and Wilson frequently said, "Mr. House is my second self. His thoughts and mine are one." And many of Wilson's actions- the income tax, the creation of the Federal Reserve, his strong anti-business policies- were far from capitalist.
Then why did the Red Scare happen on his watch?
The Federal Reserve was actually needed for capitalism to succeed, for the nation needed a central bank to lend to banks should they run dry. But really, Versailles promoted the free market idea. It was one of the stated missions of the League of Nations. It was also what Versailles introduced into Germany, long a bastion of state owned enterprises. His policies didn't work, but no leader before him tried agressively to institute the ideas of classical liberalism.
Also, do you feel that the people of the world have less rights than a century ago? A century ago, most of the world's population was ruled by warlords. Sure, empires existed, but with the exception of the British, they were only to plunder their colonies. These mother countries also had collectivist and super-protectionists policies. That has all changed greatly, wouldn't you agree?