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Since 9/11 when the world rallied around the USA, after the invasion of Iraq and the new attitude of many of the "arrogant american" do you believe that America is losing most of the friends they once had?

Yes
We
Are

*dramatic music*

At a stage ater 9\11 america had many friends, all sympathetic for the fight on terrorism.. they attacked Al-quaeda and they still had most of their friends, as the attack actually ahd somthinmg to do with Terrorism... The big mistake by the yanks (or at least their president) was to attack Iraq, which didnt have certain connections with the Terrorist network which could be proved. They went to war on false information, which just worsened their case.

Since 9/11 when the world rallied around the USA, after the invasion of Iraq and the new attitude of many of the "arrogant american" do you believe that America is losing most of the friends they once had?
Yes. Definitely.

That's what usually happens when you become an aggressive nation under a retarded leader.

Funny, a co-worker and I were having a conversation about a similar topic this evening. We concluded that Americans on a whole generally act like assholes. Assholes don't keep friends.

yes, but america will never lose me as a friend!
















of course. i was never america's friend.

Frankly, i've never thought much of the Americans, whether it be dropping the Atom Bomb on thousands of innocent people in what was called a "just cause", or using lies and deceit to invade Iraq for no reason other than to secure the land for a gas pipeline from the Eastern Med down through the Middle East (a pipeline that will bring in billions of dollars to the Big Corporations that actually run the United States). I'm not saying this is the fault of the American people, they are simply ruled by a corrupt, stupid, and downright arrogant Government (led by an equally corrupt, stupid, and downright arrogant President, George W. Bush), and that is indeed the prime reason for America loosing all its international friends, unfortunately for us, John Howard and Bush seem to be pretty tight :fluffle:

I wasn't aware they had friends to begin with.

If you give someone $20 to be your friend, are they really your friend? If not, then that leaves GB as the country they have left to lose.

I really would like to believe that the US are loosing all its international friends.
But I must admit that even all the stupid actions of this office, is not going to make the US isolated.

The world still too much tightned up with the USA economy. When Europe first will understand that they actually have the possibility to stand by their own, both economically and politically, THEN the US will risk to stand alone.

Europe has left wars (not completely but almost) as a solution behind, well if not europe at least Europeans.

In other words, Bush has made some world leaders upset, but not enough to loose them. On the other hand he has been so smart to launch the "Freedom Fries", end you know that kind of stuff really hurts... ;)

I really would like to believe that the US are loosing all its international friends.
But I must admit that even all the stupid actions of this office, is not going to make the US isolated.

The world still too much tightned up with the USA economy. When Europe first will understand that they actually have the possibility to stand by their own, both economically and politically, THEN the US will risk to stand alone.

Europe has left wars (not completely but almost) as a solution behind, well if not europe at least Europeans.

In other words, Bush has made some world leaders upset, but not enough to loose them. On the other hand he has been so smart to launch the "Freedom Fries", end you know that kind of stuff really hurts... ;)

No nation truly stands alone....North Korea is the closest to that and they are starving to death because of it.

The US will never be alone, we are a nation of immigrants and have connections with every country on earth. Economics aside, that will keep us connected to the rest of the world. Family ties are stronger than money.

"Freedom Fries" were not the creation of Bush....not even he is THAT stupid. ;)

No nation truly stands alone....North Korea is the closest to that and they are starving to death because of it.

The US will never be alone, we are a nation of immigrants and have connections with every country on earth. Economics aside, that will keep us connected to the rest of the world. Family ties are stronger than money.

"Freedom Fries" were not the creation of Bush....not even he is THAT stupid. ;)

Well sombody THAT stupid must be alive somwhere, or there is never been anybody calling the French Fries (also called fried potetoes in many other country) Freedom fries?
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My saying "standing alone" ment politically alone. But whatever... I just hope you'll get Kerry on the next round.... whatever he does he won't be as bad as Bush... lol

Frankly, i've never thought much of the Americans, whether it be dropping the Atom Bomb on thousands of innocent people in what was called a "just cause", or using lies and deceit to invade Iraq for no reason other than to secure the land for a gas pipeline from the Eastern Med down through the Middle East (a pipeline that will bring in billions of dollars to the Big Corporations that actually run the United States). I'm not saying this is the fault of the American people, they are simply ruled by a corrupt, stupid, and downright arrogant Government (led by an equally corrupt, stupid, and downright arrogant President, George W. Bush), and that is indeed the prime reason for America loosing all its international friends, unfortunately for us, John Howard and Bush seem to be pretty tight :fluffle:
You don't know much about us do you? the atom bomb was dropped becasue there was no other way and guess what it was a just cause the britsh where being bombed every single freaking day. the gas money conspiracy was stuipd becasue we aren't making money off it, no realy we aren't, yes, yes you are it is our fault. we are semi-arogent but we aren't stuipd or corrupt we just happend to be capitalist and that you don't like, please don't return to bush bashing you know very little about him that moore or the press doesn't tell you and lets just say i don't like news channels here in america realy, that precosnception is how ever why we are.

Well sombody THAT stupid must be alive somwhere, or there is never been anybody calling the French Fries (also called fried potetoes in many other country) Freedom fries?
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My saying "standing alone" ment politically alone. But whatever... I just hope you'll get Kerry on the next round.... whatever he does he won't be as bad as Bush... lol

Ya think? Kerry will be a disaster economically for the US. He will raise taxes and cause the economy to dip. Even Bush is not that stupid...

Oh, it was some congressman who coined the phrase "freedom fries." If Bush was to open up on those idiots with an AK I would vote for him to be elected king. ;)

Since 9/11 when the world rallied around the USA, after the invasion of Iraq and the new attitude of many of the "arrogant american" do you believe that America is losing most of the friends they once had?

Gee, that's not worded in a biased way now is it? Shows that you can get polls to say anything, if you word the question right.

Well, despite your EUro-centric, left-wing slant (I'm practically sliding off the left side of my chair, it's so slanted), America is NOT losing -- is it "most" or "all"; is it "key" or not; there are differences between title and text -- her friends in the world. They still all share intel, are working at capturing terrorists in their countries, still trade with America, etc., etc., etc. The only point they disagree on is the war in Iraq. So, much as you would wish it to happen, it is NOT happening.

I really would like to believe that the US are loosing all its international friends.
But I must admit that even all the stupid actions of this office, is not going to make the US isolated.

The world still too much tightned up with the USA economy. When Europe first will understand that they actually have the possibility to stand by their own, both economically and politically, THEN the US will risk to stand alone.

Europe has left wars (not completely but almost) as a solution behind, well if not europe at least Europeans.

In other words, Bush has made some world leaders upset, but not enough to loose them. On the other hand he has been so smart to launch the "Freedom Fries", end you know that kind of stuff really hurts... ;)

You think "Freedom Fries" was President Bush's idea???? You obviously know NOTHING about America. That was some stupid marketing idea by some small restaurant somewhere. To think that it came from our government is just plain ignorant. Maybe you should learn more about our country before you wish us ill.

Ya think? Kerry will be a disaster economically for the US. He will raise taxes and cause the economy to dip. Even Bush is not that stupid...

Oh, it was some congressman who coined the phrase "freedom fries." If Bush was to open up on those idiots with an AK I would vote for him to be elected king. ;)

The whole "freedom fries" episode was just a variant on the WWI renaming of sauerkraut as "liberty cabbage". Although at least in WWI the USA and Germany were actually at war, instead of just disagreeing with each other. America really needs to learn how to take some friendly criticism. Let's start off easy:

USA: you could stand to lose a few pounds.

wo this thread went quite

That's because it's a bullshit "Hey EUro's let's bash the ugly Americans" thread.

YAWN, I'm gone...

That's because it's a bullshit "Hey EUro's let's bash the ugly Americans" thread.

YAWN, I'm gone...
and this is diffrent from most things with america in its name how?

USA: you could stand to lose a few pounds.

You ain't lying there!! I see so many fat asses it is amazing....HOW can a human being GET to weigh 1000 pounds? Yet it happens here....

Fat, lazy assed, McDonalds eating, non-exercising morons are making us ALL look bad.

Even us skinny Americans...;)

I am impressed on how aggressive some of you are.

If I am. please pardon me.
(Is it just me or the Bushfriends doesn't manage to talk calmly?)

I am just writing down my ideas, and they of course could be wrong, If I'd new the truth about things, I wouldn't be here chatting...

I know nothing. I have ideas about things, that is all. But some aggression and arrogance makes me think that there is somebody that thinks they know everything. Sad.

You ain't lying there!! I see so many fat asses it is amazing....HOW can a human being GET to weigh 1000 pounds? Yet it happens here....

Fat, lazy assed, McDonalds eating, non-exercising morons are making us ALL look bad.

Even us skinny Americans...;)

Hate to burst your bubble, knowing how pro-euro you are, but obesity isn't exactly rare here either. ;)

We had friends? Who knew.....?

You don't know much about us do you? the atom bomb was dropped becasue there was no other way and guess what it was a just cause the britsh where being bombed every single freaking day. the gas money conspiracy was stuipd becasue we aren't making money off it, no realy we aren't, yes, yes you are it is our fault. we are semi-arogent but we aren't stuipd or corrupt we just happend to be capitalist and that you don't like, please don't return to bush bashing you know very little about him that moore or the press doesn't tell you and lets just say i don't like news channels here in america realy, that precosnception is how ever why we are.

You "arogent", ignorant, poor at spelling person. "The brits were being bombed every day" not by Japan you fool. "There was no other way" yeah like there was no other way in Vietnam. Then again I could say there was no other way than for terrorists to fly planes into the WTC. There is no other way than for Palestines to blow up buses. You cry "But 3000 innocent people died in the WTC". But 400,000 innocent people died at Hiroshama alone. But 4,000,000 inncoent people died in Vietnam. But 20,000 innocent people died in Iraq. But 40,000 innocent people died in Afganistan. Every war in the last 50 years that involved America was started by America. What do you mean your not making money out of the oil and pipeline routes in Iraq, American contractors are making a fourtune. Its rather simple, America steals Iraq's oil, it sells it, it makes a profit. You're not corrupt its just the preconception that you're corrupt makes you corrupt. What a load of crap.

"We should invade other countries, kill their leaders and convert them to christianity" - Ann Coulter

"Oh your one of the sodomites. [Thats someone whos gay for the the un-educated people out there, i.e. America] You should only get aids and die, you pig." - Michael Savage

"Its true that if you are poor and can't afford a lawyer your odds of going to prison skyrocket. But you know what, tough!" - Bill O'Reilly

Yes America is a great country, fit to rule the intire world! (thats sarcasm)
The most arrogant country in the world kills people who think they are better than it. (thats irony)
A capatilist democracy. (thats an oxy-moron)

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You think "Freedom Fries" was President Bush's idea???? You obviously know NOTHING about America. That was some stupid marketing idea by some small restaurant somewhere. To think that it came from our government is just plain ignorant. Maybe you should learn more about our country before you wish us ill.

"Bush" like it or not is used in europe as a symbol for everything the Rightwing, nationalists citizens of the united states does. Or at least I do.
So I didn't mean of course the he went to the restaurant and said to the owner what he should call the french fries (strange name that too)...

I know enough about the states, believe me...

Hate to burst your bubble, knowing how pro-euro you are, but obesity isn't exactly rare here either. ;)

Me pro-Euro?

Hate to burst your bubble, knowing how pro-euro you are, but obesity isn't exactly rare here either. ;)

True, but not as much as in the states... or am I wrong?

Me pro-Euro?

Don't be so shocked. Was just joking... ;)

Any way.
Going back to the start, I don't think USA will loose any "friends" they have, not even france, so... let's work together to make a better world, shall we?
Starting from stopping using violence to fight violence... that would be nice.

Peace.
I am out of this thread.
By all.

I know it's a bit (ok a lot) pedantic of me, but could you change the title to THEIR friends, not THERE. It doesn't make sense the way it is at present and it's one of those word mis-placings that annoys me.

Oh, and I voted Yes incidently.

I know enough about the states, believe me...

You do? Or just all you want to know?

First off, we never had any "Freinds" to lose. Second, the governments of our key political and military allies are still very friendly to us. Third, these forums are stuffed with liberal who hate on the US because it's the thing to do right now.

A definate yes.
When your last allies are Poland, Blair, and a few other governments acting against the wishes of their people you know you've done something wrong.

You ain't lying there!! I see so many fat asses it is amazing....HOW can a human being GET to weigh 1000 pounds? Yet it happens here....
No sh*t.
Patrick Deuel (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/08/11/halfton.man.ap/) :D

I wish I could say something even more affirmative than 'yes'. Let's see...'doubleplus-yes'.

I would just like to point out that the idea of the arrogant american is not new, I've long held that opinion.

Let's see ... friends of the USA

Saudi Arabia ... birthplace of Osama Bin Laden and a very non-democratic state
Afghanistan - Because they got invaded by the US (legally)
Australia - A real friend to the point of stupidity
Phillipines - Withdrew troops from Iraq
Pakistan - did help the Taliban once and sold nuclear secrets to North Korea
Kuwait - A little like Saudi Arabia
Israel - A friend who gets money from the US
UK - Don't always agree but an ally still
EU - Not on the best of terms but relationship improving?

Ya think? Kerry will be a disaster economically for the US. He will raise taxes and cause the economy to dip.

That is precisely why the EUros want Kerry. Look at all their posts here. They want to cripple the U.S. so they can claim to be superior.

What friends do we have left to lose? :(

First off, we never had any "Freinds" to lose. Second, the governments of our key political and military allies are still very friendly to us. Third, these forums are stuffed with liberal who hate on the US because it's the thing to do right now.

Just two points, governments can remain on friendly relations with each other...but the people may not be. Saudi government = cozy relation with the US government. But do you think the Saudi people care for the US? The majority probably don't. These will be the same people who will assist terrorists, provide aid to them, and make it more difficult to capture the terrorists.

Liberals on this forum aren't hating on the US...just on Dubya and his stupid policies. You just like to think they are hating on the US cuz its the thing to do right now. =P

Let's see ... friends of the USA

Saudi Arabia ... birthplace of Osama Bin Laden and a very non-democratic state
Afghanistan - Because they got invaded by the US (legally)
Australia - A real friend to the point of stupidity
Phillipines - Withdrew troops from Iraq
Pakistan - did help the Taliban once and sold nuclear secrets to North Korea
Kuwait - A little like Saudi Arabia
Israel - A friend who gets money from the US
UK - Don't always agree but an ally still
EU - Not on the best of terms but relationship improving?


Don't forget our "friend" Israel stole nuclear weapons material from the USA, nuclear secrets, and they purposefully attacked the USS Liberty in 1967.

http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/

That is precisely why the EUros want Kerry. Look at all their posts here. They want to cripple the U.S. so they can claim to be superior.

Please be joking. Crippled US economy would cause havoc in Europe too.

Just two points, governments can remain on friendly relations with each other...but the people may not be. Saudi government = cozy relation with the US government. But do you think the Saudi people care for the US? The majority probably don't. These will be the same people who will assist terrorists, provide aid to them, and make it more difficult to capture the terrorists.

Liberals on this forum aren't hating on the US...just on Dubya and his stupid policies. You just like to think they are hating on the US cuz its the thing to do right now. =P
Exactly. While our chancellor (Schröder) may try to get better relations to the U$, he lacks the support of the population in this endeavour. The German civilian population still has much contempt for the american politics of the last years, resulting in a general dislike or even hate against the U$.

That is precisely why the EUros want Kerry. Look at all their posts here. They want to cripple the U.S. so they can claim to be superior.

I hate to point this out, but at some point the US is going to have to start paying its own way again. Since Bush's deficit economy is being paid for by European and Asian credit, I think it's only natural that these countries should take an interest in the behaviour and economic competence of your President.

Hell, no. People have always hated Americans. For the most part, we're well-fed, are not living in squalor, happy, are the most influential on cultures throughout the world, have the strongest military, and people are always looking at what we’ll do next.

We’re the popular kid at school. The one all the less-popular geeks wanted to be, even though they hated them.

America fucked your last 3 girlfriends, before you got to them (and possibly while you were dating them), and that’s why most people hate America (to those of you not realising this, I'm just making a point).

Really, I say fuck em. If they want to be that shallow and judge a nation’s people by its politics, then go ahead. I don’t hate all Iraqis, just because Saddam was an asshole.

Okay. First about the atomic bomb thing- we saved more lives by dropping them. There was only two ways that the Americans could have defeated Japan (and we were the main ones- Europeans had just experienced V-E day, they didn't want to keep fighting when the Japanese didn't attack the Europeans- the Japanese were attacking Asia for territorial expansion and the US Naval Fleet in the Pacific to get rid of their enemies) and those two ways were 1. drop the nuclear bombs like we did or 2. invade the nation of Japan itself- first getting on Iwa Jima and islands like that then island hopping onto Hokkaido then on to Honshu. Had we invaded, more lives would have been lost, and the war would have lasted years longer. We would have to go through the bad terrain of Japan, and we would get bogged down worse there than Vietnam, at least in Vietnam we had the South Vietnamese, in Japan we would have had nobody, and the Japanese civilians would have suffered much more, with the war on their home soil- the war would be right in their very homes, not on some distant battleground.

Second, on terms of whether the American loses its friends and all of th at. First, you want us to elect John Kerry- maybe you should find out some about him, since you're so naturally inclined to think anybody would be better than Bush. I also don't think anyone in the US government came up with the "freedom fries" especially not the President (and I seriously doubt a Congressman either) and besides- just because a lot of Americans don't agree with the policies of the French government- doesn't mean we're going to go around start using expressions like freedom fries- its not even funny. Also in the months leading up the War in Iraq, we went the UN Security Council and we wanted to use military force on the Hussein Regime for not disclosing information about their attempts to get WMD's (whether they existed or not- we know he was trying to build them- he just might not have had the resources, or they were destroyed beforehand to destroy the credibility of the US), and it was the German and French governments that blocked us the most saying we should keep using the UN. So we drafted more resolutions, including the use of military force if the Iraqi government didn't cooperate by a certain date. Of course the Iraqis didn't so, we made another resolution that said the same thing, and we did this multiple times. Then the French told us that they would never use military action in Iraq, breaking the UN resolution they wanted us to sign. So then the Bush administration knew they could never get the support of the UN- if the French were the only ones the 5 permanant nations have the power to veto every resolution- so of course they would, so a few days later we told Saddam and his sons to get out. They didn't so we bombed and went to war. And I think it will take time, but after a few years the country of Iraq will turn into a strong democratic and capitalist nation.

Oh and about the obesity thing- first off I'm a lazy moron who eats McDonalds and doesn't exercise- and I'm a few pounds underweight. And although their may be obese people in Europe- it doesn't compare to the US- we are after all the fattest country in the world.

That is precisely why the EUros want Kerry. Look at all their posts here. They want to cripple the U.S. so they can claim to be superior.

I hope this is a joke too.

But I would also like to point out that many European countries have very high income taxes and mostly because of it, poverty isn't such a huge problem in Europe. Ever heard of inexpensive health care, free nursery and even free universities (i.e. in Scandinavia)? Here (Finland) you get less money, but you don't have to pay so much about everything...less is more and I like it.

Hell, no. People have always hated Americans. For the most part, we're well-fed, are not living in squalor, happy, are the most influential on cultures throughout the world, have the strongest military, and people are always looking at what we’ll do next.

We’re the popular kid at school. The one all the less-popular geeks wanted to be, even though they hated them.

America fucked your last 3 girlfriends, before you got to them (and possibly while you were dating them), and that’s why most people hate America (to those of you not realising this, I'm just making a point).

Really, I say fuck em. If they want to be that shallow and judge a nation’s people by its politics, then go ahead. I don’t hate all Iraqis, just because Saddam was an asshole.

You are not loosing friends (or actually YOU are by making these statements) but your leaders and that's what counts in foreign politics. At least Finnish people used to like America til your newest leader (latest poll says that most of us now think that Bush is arrogant). Still our government is very U.S. friendly because they are a bunch of chickens and think that we'll loose all businesses with Americans if they would say anything against Bush and his actions. Like anyone would care.

Don't forget our "friend" Israel stole nuclear weapons material from the USA, nuclear secrets, and they purposefully attacked the USS Liberty in 1967.

http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/

With friends like this who needs enemies!

Frankly, i've never thought much of the Americans, whether it be dropping the Atom Bomb on thousands of innocent people in what was called a "just cause", or using lies and deceit to invade Iraq for no reason other than to secure the land for a gas pipeline from the Eastern Med down through the Middle East (a pipeline that will bring in billions of dollars to the Big Corporations that actually run the United States). I'm not saying this is the fault of the American people, they are simply ruled by a corrupt, stupid, and downright arrogant Government (led by an equally corrupt, stupid, and downright arrogant President, George W. Bush), and that is indeed the prime reason for America loosing all its international friends, unfortunately for us, John Howard and Bush seem to be pretty tight :fluffle:
It was projected in '45 that if the USA invaded Japan, our losses alone would be over one million. Compare that to the thousands killed in the atomic attacks. The Japanese would not surrender if we invaded by sea. They had sworn to defend Japan. For example, do you think the USA would have seriously considered Kamikaze pilots?

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Also in the months leading up the War in Iraq, we went the UN Security Council and we wanted to use military force on the Hussein Regime for not disclosing information about their attempts to get WMD's (whether they existed or not- we know he was trying to build them- he just might not have had the resources, or they were destroyed beforehand to destroy the credibility of the US), and it was the German and French governments that blocked us the most saying we should keep using the UN.

Could you tell me please why America had to attack Iraq? In your opinion? Because they tried (you have any evidence on this?) to build WMD's? And this is the biggest crime in the world? As you said noone likes a war in their own soil. French know what's like, you don't. Maybe that's why they didn't want to participate.

It was projected in '45 that if the USA invaded Japan, our losses alone would be over one million. Compare that to the thousands killed in the atomic attacks. The Japanese would not surrender if we invaded by sea. They had sworn to defend Japan. For example, do you think the USA would have seriously considered Kamikaze pilots?

That number has also since been disputed as highly overblown. There was also the chance for Japan to surrender a full year earlier, thus avoiding many deaths. The US refused, wanting an unconditional surrender. And the bomb need not have gone off on cities; Eisenhower himself thought the bombings were unneccessary.

You "arogent", ignorant, poor at spelling person. "The brits were being bombed every day" not by Japan you fool. "There was no other way" yeah like there was no other way in Vietnam. Then again I could say there was no other way than for terrorists to fly planes into the WTC. There is no other way than for Palestines to blow up buses. You cry "But 3000 innocent people died in the WTC". But 400,000 innocent people died at Hiroshama alone. But 4,000,000 inncoent people died in Vietnam. But 20,000 innocent people died in Iraq. But 40,000 innocent people died in Afganistan. Every war in the last 50 years that involved America was started by America. What do you mean your not making money out of the oil and pipeline routes in Iraq, American contractors are making a fourtune. Its rather simple, America steals Iraq's oil, it sells it, it makes a profit. You're not corrupt its just the preconception that you're corrupt makes you corrupt. What a load of crap.

"We should invade other countries, kill their leaders and convert them to christianity" - Ann Coulter

"Oh your one of the sodomites. [Thats someone whos gay for the the un-educated people out there, i.e. America] You should only get aids and die, you pig." - Michael Savage

"Its true that if you are poor and can't afford a lawyer your odds of going to prison skyrocket. But you know what, tough!" - Bill O'Reilly

Yes America is a great country, fit to rule the intire world! (thats sarcasm)
The most arrogant country in the world kills people who think they are better than it. (thats irony)
A capatilist democracy. (thats an oxy-moron)

M

So just because Britian wasn't being bombed by an evil dictatorship means that Japan wasn't a threat. Remember who sunk the Prince of Wales and Repulse and took Singapore? Yeah the citizens of Hiroshima were innocent, reminds me of the soldiers at Pearl Harbor and the many Chinese and Koreans who suffered at the Japanese goverenment's hands. Just because the person spelled arrogant wrong, he's now poor at spelling. "Hiroshama" "Afganistan", guess that makes you bad at spelling too! In fact I guess I spelled a word wrong too somewhere in here, i must be terrible also!

Yeah I remember how America has started all of the wars in the past 50 years, I remember how we crossed the 38th parallel and attacked South Korea, I remember how we attacked South Vietnam and I definetly remember how we invaded Kuwait. It's you who are the fool.

I love how you quote the three most uber conservatives in America. Somehow you make those three people the voice of America. I can also pull out many quotes of Europeans making terrible statements. After all Le Pen(a xenophobe and racist) got very far in the French elections and Haider did well in Austria too. and remember where most of those Neo-nazi groups are in? Europe!!!

Posts like those from Happy Hospital are so heartwarming, because they show the rest of the world that us Americans don't hold a monopoly on (insert your own flame here).

Thanks for again showing why prejudices against the United States are pretty unfounded and can be used for every country one would care to speak about.

...less is more and I like it.

"Less is more"...do you know the word "Orwellian"? If not, I think you should look it up.

If you like it, fine. Just don't demand that the U.S. be the same way. We have our government, you have yours. Personally, I wish you would keep yours to yourselves.

You are not loosing friends (or actually YOU are by making these statements) but your leaders and that's what counts in foreign politics. At least Finnish people used to like America til your newest leader (latest poll says that most of us now think that Bush is arrogant).

Most Americans don't give a rat's ass if Finns think Bush is arrogant. So what if he is? (I don't think he is, BTW) That doesn't have any bearing on whether he is doing the right or wrong things. What about Chirac, is he arrogant? I certainly think he is.

Still our government is very U.S. friendly because they are a bunch of chickens and think that we'll loose all businesses with Americans if they would say anything against Bush and his actions. Like anyone would care.

Try it and see if anyone cares. I know the Finnish government will care, since they get all the money anyone makes there.

"Less is more"...do you know the word "Orwellian"? If not, I think you should look it up.

If you like it, fine. Just don't demand that the U.S. be the same way. We have our government, you have yours. Personally, I wish you would keep yours to yourselves.

The question is: do YOU know the word orwellian? Paying taxes to get free education and other benefits resembles totalitarian state to you? Who has demanded you should have that? Are you just trying to bounce back after that silly remark about EUros wanting Kerry to cripple the American economy?

The question is: do YOU know the word orwellian? Paying taxes to get free education and other benefits resembles totalitarian state to you? Who has demanded you should have that? Are you just trying to bounce back after that silly remark about EUros wanting Kerry to cripple the American economy?

Of course I know the word "Orwellian," ducky. "Less is more" is an Orwellian statement. Just like "PAYING (taxes) to get (something) FREE."

Yeah, got me there. Badly worded on my part... the emphasis was intended to be on the totalitarian part. ;)

If you like it, fine. Just don't demand that the U.S. be the same way. We have our government, you have yours. Personally, I wish you would keep yours to yourselves.

In the grand scheme of things, I think the Finnish government keeps pretty well to itself compared to the US government....

In the grand scheme of things, I think the Finnish government keeps pretty well to itself compared to the US government....

That's because we are working on our WMD program. We don't want to make a big deal of ourselves at this point.

"Less is more"...do you know the word "Orwellian"? If not, I think you should look it up.

If you like it, fine. Just don't demand that the U.S. be the same way. We have our government, you have yours. Personally, I wish you would keep yours to yourselves.

Of course I know "Orwellian". But it has absolutely nothing to do with social welfare where everyone has equal chances for the future. And I don't demand anything, I just wanted to point out that American style capitalism isn't the only way. Please don't call me a communist in your next post, I'm not. I think capitalism is the best way to handle economics, but I do think that some regulations are needed. The American dream doesn't exist anymore. Now it's much more likely that if you born poor you die poor, no matter what you do. Only the rich get richer are more and more people are living in poverty. But, hey, it's your choice.

Despite what world leaders and poloticians might say, Countries very rarely have 'friends', unless they belong to the EU or NATO, and even then.............
They might be more civil to some countries, but when the chips are down, its 'look out for number 1'
( Unless your name is Tony Blair and your 'friend' is called George Bush, sadly )

Most Americans don't give a rat's ass if Finns think Bush is arrogant. So what if he is? (I don't think he is, BTW) That doesn't have any bearing on whether he is doing the right or wrong things. What about Chirac, is he arrogant? I certainly think he is.



Try it and see if anyone cares. I know the Finnish government will care, since they get all the money anyone makes there.

What I tried to say was that the Finnish government is afraid of what AMERICANS would think if they would say anything negative about Buhs's actions. But as I also said, like anyone cares (or gives a rat's ass...as you nicely put it)

And I do think he does wrong things and I do think Chirac is arrogant. What ever it has to do with this.

first of all i agree that Bush is a moron. but i also think that Kerry is just as bad if not worse than Bush in the department of morons. hell, i make fun of Bush everyday but that doesn't mean that a country should be judged by their leaders. so far everyone in this thread with a few exceptions has not bashed Bush but they have bashed the country of America as a whole and that is downright ignorant. i think you'll find that a lot of Americans don't believe that we should have invaded Iraq. And as for the comment about Americans being arrogant, that's a load of shit. if anyone is arrogant it's the french, they think they are the best at everything, hell they can't even win a war without someone elses help. yeah they're just the best. but im not saying all french are arrogant just the ones that act like they are the freaking best at everything. its all a matter of opinion. so anyhow moving back to the begining of my post yeah the leaders of my country are morons, but do you really think that Kerry would be any better? the answer is no Kerry would be worse. i would not waste a vote on either Kerry or Bush because they would both be horrible leaders. so please, if your gonna bash someone bash Bush or Kerry or the government but do not bash the populace of America because it's not their fault.

I don't think we're losing many friends. Pissing them off, yes. Souring our relations, yes. But I don't think we've inflicted permanent damage on too many friendships. And I should add that many of the alleged "friends" we pissed off were not our friends to begin with.

I don't think we're losing many friends. Pissing them off, yes. Souring our relations, yes. But I don't think we've inflicted permanent damage on too many friendships. And I should add that many of the alleged "friends" we pissed off were not our friends to begin with.

Bingo!
As if countries have permanent friends... some allies like some things one country does, some get annoyed. As if it's too late to repair those relations affected by Iraq war later. Just watch it in the future, Finland with its population of 5 million isn't happy with your current actions. ;)

What I tried to say was that the Finnish government is afraid of what AMERICANS would think if they would say anything negative about Buhs's actions. But as I also said, like anyone cares (or gives a rat's ass...as you nicely put it)

And I do think he does wrong things and I do think Chirac is arrogant. What ever it has to do with this.

Hey, we agree on something: Chirac is arrogant. Now, do you and people like you go on international forums like this one and bash Chirac? No, you don't. I haven't seen a single EUro here bash Chirac. You only bash Bush, and that's what ticks off a lot of Americans.

Yeah, got me there. Badly worded on my part... the emphasis was intended to be on the totalitarian part. ;)

Yeah, I kinda couldn't resist that one :)

Hey, we agree on something: Chirac is arrogant. Now, do you and people like you go on international forums like this one and bash Chirac? No, you don't. I haven't seen a single EUro here bash Chirac. You only bash Bush, and that's what ticks off a lot of Americans.
You know, when you're the world's only superpower, you're the one to be bashed.. ;)
But...I agree, it is getting really boring. Would like to bash Finland now? I'm ready!

or any other European country...I'm waiting for you to start. Maybe I can help you. Finland was on German's side on the second worls war, Russian is always a good subject. When is the last time you've heard good news from Russian? Slovakia with their huge racism..

Bingo!
As if countries have permanent friends... some allies like some things one country does, some get annoyed. As if it's too late to repair those relations affected by Iraq war later. Just watch it in the future, Finland with its population of 5 million isn't happy with your current actions. ;)

I think that what you are saying is that nations base their major foreign policy decisions (alliances, troop deployments, trade agreements, etc.) on their best analysis of what most benefits their nation. Given that Kerry has promised to continue vigorous prosecution of the War on Terrorism (especially with regard to Afghanistan/Bin Laden), and has promised he would "stay the course" in Iraq, and has stated that, given everything we know now, would still have invaded Iraq -- positions that are almost identical to Bush's -- What makes Kerry think countries like France, Germany, and Russia will "come running back to our side?" What has changed, from their perspective?

Hey, we agree on something: Chirac is arrogant. Now, do you and people like you go on international forums like this one and bash Chirac? No, you don't. I haven't seen a single EUro here bash Chirac. You only bash Bush, and that's what ticks off a lot of Americans.

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I would love to bash other countries. Now I started to wonder why it's always America. maybe because most of people here are Americans?

have to go to shop before they close...I'll come right back to see if you've started to bash any other country...

You know, when you're the world's only superpower, you're the one to be bashed.. ;)
But...I agree, it is getting really boring. Would like to bash Finland now? I'm ready!

or any other European country...I'm waiting for you to start. Maybe I can help you. Finland was on German's side on the second worls war, Russian is always a good subject. When is the last time you've heard good news from Russian? Slovakia with their huge racism..

I'm not interested in bashing Finland, they keep pretty much to themselves. Besides, I'm 1/4 Finn! :D My grandmother was born in Helsinki; her name is Helen Hensela. And Finland KICKED ASS in WWII!

France is a different story. Their government is attempting to block the U.S. at every turn and hurt us in any way possible. Their people think that their culture is superior to all other cultures. Some of them even say that the U.S. has NO culture, which is absolutely false.

I think that what you are saying is that nations base their major foreign policy decisions (alliances, troop deployments, trade agreements, etc.) on their best analysis of what most benefits their nation. Given that Kerry has promised to continue vigorous prosecution of the War on Terrorism (especially with regard to Afghanistan/Bin Laden), and has promised he would "stay the course" in Iraq, and has stated that, given everything we know now, would still have invaded Iraq -- positions that are almost identical to Bush's -- What makes Kerry think countries like France, Germany, and Russia will "come running back to our side?" What has changed, from their perspective?

That's about what I was saying. I wouldn't expect US to be the charitable world police. Every country does what suits them best at the moment the decisions have to be made.

I somehow do think the EUropean 'superpowers' would like to see somebody else than Bush in the driver's seat... it might be easier for them to start again with somebody new, rather than to watch Bush go on 4 more years. Especially when he doesn't need to worry about his re-election. Would they come running? I doubt France would... some others would certainly be relieved... but it's your decision... I know too little about your domestic issues to say which one is better... and if I knew plenty, would you care? I wouldn't take advice from abroad how to vote.

If you give someone $20 to be your friend, are they really your friend?
What if you give someone 100 Billon $US ?

France is a different story. Their government is attempting to block the U.S. at every turn and hurt us in any way possible. Their people think that their culture is superior to all other cultures. Some of them even say that the U.S. has NO culture, which is absolutely false.

Well I think that French government tries to limit the powers of the world's only superpower, a thing which sometimes seems pretty stupid, but, maybe, is a necessary act. That's why there's countries with veto rights in UN.
France, of course, want to be the next big thing in the world, but being such a small country after all, they have to find ways to make them look better. Like superior culture or something.