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I love America!

The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 05:10
I LOVE AMERICA AND I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!













I bet you were thinking, stupid conservative nazi Bush supporter, because that's what it is to like America, to be a Nazi.

This is a trend I've noticed, if you like America you're obviously a Bush supporter who supports the war in Iraq. Tell me I'm wrong, because it seems to me, it's a sin to love America. And personally, that just makes me boil...

I'm not a Bush supporter or a Kerry supporter, so I'll hear from both sides.
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 05:12
Why do you love America and support its troops?

(oh you asked for it this time TIOR. :D)
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 05:13
Why do you love America and support its troops?

(oh you asked for it this time TIOR. :D)

Read below Kanabia :)
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 05:15
I bet you were thinking, stupid conservative nazi Bush supporter, because that's what it is to like America, to be a Nazi.

This is a trend I've noticed, if you like America you're obviously a Bush supporter who supports the war in Iraq. Tell me I'm wrong, because it seems to me, it's a sin to love America. And personally, that just makes me boil...

I'm not a Bush supporter or a Kerry supporter, so I'll hear from both sides.

Yes, but why do you love america?
Seket-Hetep
13-08-2004, 05:16
U.S. patriotism!?!?
*clings*
finally, soneone who likes the country.
and to anyone who asks, we don't need a $%#@ing reason!!!!!!
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 05:17
Yes, but why do you love america?

*sigh*

Because I enjoy our History and the principals we were founded by even though our President, who I hate, is destroying those very principles :)
Sumamba Buwhan
13-08-2004, 05:18
So Do I! :)

But I love the entire world and all it's inhabitants.

:fluffle:
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 05:23
*sigh*

Because I enjoy our History and the principals we were founded by even though our President, who I hate, is destroying those very principles :)
OK. Just checking. Hehe.
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 05:24
So Do I! :)

But I love the entire world and all it's inhabitants.

:fluffle:

Even the French!?!?!? For an American, wow!
Monkeypimp
13-08-2004, 05:24
Meh, America's a nice enough place and I'm sure that most of their troops are friendly enough people and I hope that they all come home ok. Bush is still a dipshit though.
CSW
13-08-2004, 05:25
Meh, America's a nice enough place and I'm sure that most of their troops are friendly enough people and I hope that they all come home ok. Bush is still a dipshit though.
Speaking as an American, I'd have to agree. Way to go George, why don't you just piss off the rest of the world while you are at it.
FoxTopia
13-08-2004, 05:26
Canada Is fantastic though. *grins* just thought i'd throw this in for the hell of it
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 05:26
OK. Just checking. Hehe.

What did you think I was going to say?
Sumamba Buwhan
13-08-2004, 05:27
Even the French!?!?!? For an American, wow!


well I would say that the majority of people I know don't have a problem with the french at all.

the last person i heard talk shit to the french was Jack from jack int eh box :p

that was a funny commercial
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 05:28
What did you think I was going to say?

I just felt like spamming yet another of your threads.

Speaking of which...

Australia owns j00r yankee @$$.
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 05:29
well I would say that the majority of people I know don't have a problem with the french at all.

the last person i heard talk shit to the french was Jack from jack int eh box :p

that was a funny commercial

I know, I know. It's only the really ignorant ones that watch Fox News that hate the French.

Uhh. I'm in trouble now, aren't I. I bagged Fox in a thread titled "I love America". Oh shit.
Monkeypimp
13-08-2004, 05:32
The Brits have been hating the french since before the US was created. They're old school hating france, unlike these Americans who do it because.. Actually I don't know why they do it.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 05:32
I just felt like spamming yet another of your threads.

Speaking of which...

Australia owns j00r yankee @$$.

Why do you like my threads so much Kanabia (>")> <("<)
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 05:40
Why do you like my threads so much Kanabia (>")> <("<)
Good question.

So, how about Bush? If you don't like Bush, you must like Dick right?
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 05:42
Good question.

So, how about Bush? If you don't like Bush, you must like Dick right?

I really don't like either...
Hattia
13-08-2004, 06:06
The Brits have been hating the french since before the US was created. They're old school hating france.

Yeah, they've been doing it for at least 1000 years.


The US is alright, it could be much better though...
The Flying Jesusfish
13-08-2004, 06:07
If someone hates the president, why would they like his running mate?
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 06:12
I was expecting liberal propaganda and flames not this 0-0
Catam
13-08-2004, 06:18
Well what are liberals supposed to say? America sucks? It has had a republican president for FOUR WHOLE YEARS and that ruins it? The country's good, the troops need our support even if their reason for being there isn't the best. Good principals, good country in general.
Svala
13-08-2004, 06:27
One of the deepest reasons for the many countries' distaste in the U.S. happens to be how fickle the country is. No other power to date has had a political situation that allowed so many dissagreeing political motives to trade off control of government policy. This is an issue to be addressed: The public doesnt have the patience to wait if they dont see immediate results and are allowed to change their mind every four years. It makes for irritated and oft-confused neighbors.
LordaeronII
13-08-2004, 07:20
One of the many many severe problems with democracy....

Of course that's a topic for another thread.

Anyways, yeah, Bush is a dipshit, if only the Republican party was smart enough to put someone more intelligent and with a semblance of charisma and speaking ability to run...

Of course I support America, except in the whole democracy thing...
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 07:21
Glad to know people agree with me :D
Mezzaluna
13-08-2004, 07:36
Good question.

So, how about Bush? If you don't like Bush, you must like Dick right?

Am I the only one who is having mad fits of juvenile giggles right now?



Anyway, to post on topic, I think most Americans who don't support the President still love the U.S. It's quite possible to be a patriot and still disagree vehemently with current policy. In fact, in my mind, a true patriot wants what's best for the nation, even if that means criticizing the way things are done. Anyone who feels that one has to blindly follow in order to love one's country has a very immature concept of "patriotism", in my opinion.
Northern Gimpland
13-08-2004, 07:58
I don't think there is anything wrong with loving your country, even America.

I do think there is something wrong when you are arrogant enough to believe that your country is better than every single other country, and when you believe that your country is perfect in every way, and you love your country for that.

Oh, and if you believe that the Vietnam war was never lost (Technically, you never lost it because a war was never declared, but you know what I mean).

I do think that it is possible to hate the war in Iraq and/or your POTUS but still love America.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 08:00
I know we lost 'Nam, I'm not crazy.

I don't think America is the best, the English have those snappy accents.

I just wanted to make sure people love America.
Insane Troll
13-08-2004, 08:03
If someone hates the president, why would they like his running mate?

Because they're...different....people?
Gigatron
13-08-2004, 08:14
I LOVE AMERICA AND I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!













I bet you were thinking, stupid conservative nazi Bush supporter, because that's what it is to like America, to be a Nazi.

This is a trend I've noticed, if you like America you're obviously a Bush supporter who supports the war in Iraq. Tell me I'm wrong, because it seems to me, it's a sin to love America. And personally, that just makes me boil...

I'm not a Bush supporter or a Kerry supporter, so I'll hear from both sides.
Loving the U$ is a capital sin. You surely are a bu$h lover and war mongerer. May god smite you with all his glorious might and smite the U$ too while he's at it.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 08:16
I'm assuming that's a sarcastic post ^
Gigatron
13-08-2004, 08:27
I'm assuming that's a sarcastic post ^
No. I totally mean it. Though I am not religious, if there is a god, I hope he does the one right thing and rids the planet of the U$ once and for all.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 08:31
No. I totally mean it. Though I am not religious, if there is a god, I hope he does the one right thing and rids the planet of the U$ once and for all.

...

Sure I love the man who won't allow supplies to go to Cuba.
Sure I love the man who went into Iraq for no reason.

And of course I love the man who's essentially ruined America's reputation!

I'm a damn Bush lover![/sarcasm]
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 08:38
Loving the U$ is a capital sin. You surely are a bu$h lover and war mongerer. May god smite you with all his glorious might and smite the U$ too while he's at it.

Learn to spell. Incidentally, I think you may have a severe anger disorder. You really should get that checked out. Or stop listening to propaganda, either option will do.
MadAnthonyWayne
13-08-2004, 08:40
I love America because it is the only nation in the history of the world founded on an idea: freedom. We've fought for freedom many times, and are doing so now in Iraq and Afganistan. Bush has the balls to do what he thinks is right to keep America safe, despite what the weenies at the UN have to say. Perhaps the terrorists will learn to stick to attacking Germany, France, and Spain (now that the socialists are in control).

To quote the great Alice Cooper,

"I love that mountain with those four big heads, I love Velvetta cheese slapped on Wonder Bread, I love a commie, if he's good and dead! I love America!"
Kroblexskij
13-08-2004, 08:43
if you meant that you won't make friends
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 08:49
I love America because it is the only nation in the history of the world founded on an idea: freedom.

Actually, I don't think yours is the only country. Australia, for example, became a democracy through a vote, not a war, which I think may count for something towards freedom.
Gigatron
13-08-2004, 09:02
Learn to spell. Incidentally, I think you may have a severe anger disorder. You really should get that checked out. Or stop listening to propaganda, either option will do.
I've stopped listening to american propaganda. Makes a difference like night and day. Reading the PNAC was the first step to see the light - for me.
Gigatron
13-08-2004, 09:04
if you meant that you won't make friends
I have many friends - just no americans. And i am not especially eager to make american friends anyway. Seeing how americans treat their friends and allies, i think i'll be fine without americans in my life and those that i see make ideal targets for hate. americans are abnormal, unnatural and a danger for moral values and mankind. they deserve the most harsh treatment available - being crushed by god.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 09:09
I have many friends - just no americans. And i am not especially eager to make american friends anyway. Seeing how americans treat their friends and allies, i think i'll be fine without americans in my life and those that i see make ideal targets for hate. americans are abnormal, unnatural and a danger for moral values and mankind. they deserve the most harsh treatment available - being crushed by god.

Good for you :D
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 09:27
I've stopped listening to american propaganda.

Good for you. Now stop listening to all the rest of the propaganda. Or even better, listen to yourself for awhile, and see just how ignorant you are being.
EvilGnomes
13-08-2004, 09:30
I love America because it is the only nation in the history of the world founded on an idea: freedom. We've fought for freedom many times, and are doing so now in Iraq and Afganistan.

I get the impression the America was founded on the idea of fighting for freedom, rather than freedom itself. I mean fighting for what you beleive in is good but invading Iraq without UN approval is a big No-No :mp5:, particularly since we all knew all along that the weapons of mass destruction thing was just a hoax designed to channel your hate into gaining oil.

but I digress, what I originally meant to post was this:

Here in Australia we pretend to hate you Americans. Largely because your patriotism is so funny. You have to have a flag at all public meetings don't you? hehe :), we had to reduce our national anthem to one verse because no-one knew the second (and possibly others) :D.

Australia rocks because we're not obsessed with how much we rock.

p.s. I hate Bush, and I hate John Howard (Auzzie Prime Minister) cause all he does is suck up to Bush :(. but America's OK.
New Fuglies
13-08-2004, 09:30
I love Canada and I support our... err... tasty water!
Gigatron
13-08-2004, 09:33
I get the impression the America was founded on the idea of fighting for freedom, rather than freedom itself. I mean fighting for what you beleive in is good but invading Iraq without UN approval is a big No-No :mp5:, particularly since we all knew all along that the weapons of mass destruction thing was just a hoax designed to channel your hate into gaining oil.

but I digress, what I originally meant to post was this:

Here in Australia we pretend to hate you Americans. Largely because your patriotism is so funny. You have to have a flag at all public meetings don't you? hehe :), we had to reduce our national anthem to one verse because no-one knew the second (and possibly others) :D.

Australia rocks because we're not obsessed with how much we rock.

p.s. I hate Bush, and I hate John Howard (Auzzie Prime Minister) cause all he does is suck up to Bush :(. but America's OK.
Thats exactly why I dont hate nations like China or Russia or India and the like. Countries that do not shove their superior military into everyone elses faces, their nuclear capabilities, their economies (if they have a good one like China), the size of their population, the size of their countries. I like countries that prefer to do their own thing and do not dictate their culture on just about all other countries in the world.
The New Vietnam
13-08-2004, 09:38
WILL PEOPLE KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE "BUSH BASHING!!!!!!" :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
YoriZ
13-08-2004, 09:38
Although I do not like what Bush stands for, I think I like America. Eventually I thought about moving to New York, the city of cities.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 09:38
Thats exactly why I dont hate nations like China or Russia or India and the like. Countries that do not shove their superior military into everyone elses faces, their nuclear capabilities, their economies (if they have a good one like China), the size of their population, the size of their countries. I like countries that prefer to do their own thing and do not dictate their culture on just about all other countries in the world.

Then hate the leader not the country, geez.
Sharkworld
13-08-2004, 09:39
*sigh*

Because I enjoy our History and the principals we were founded by even though our President, who I hate, is destroying those very principles :)


You mean principles like killing and disenfranchising millions of native Americans, and importing hundreds of thousands of slaves from Africa to work like dogs without pay for rich white people? Oh, and like being the only country in the world to detonate a nuclear weapon on foreign soil?
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 09:42
You mean principles like killing and disenfranchising millions of native Americans, and importing hundreds of thousands of slaves from Africa to work like dogs without pay for rich white people? Oh, and like being the only country in the world to detonate a nuclear weapon on foreign soil?

I didn't say we were perfect, ah to like America is to be a Nazi apparently :)
By the way, I'm Hispanic, so I really don't support the enslavement of my fellow people :)
Equal Thought
13-08-2004, 09:48
Way to go George, why don't you just piss off the rest of the world while you are at it.

I believe he's already done that, you'll have to pick some thing else.
Tricozia
13-08-2004, 09:49
Ok well America is a good country yes. But in who's eyes? The people of the world the people of America(U.S.) who? And as per the remark of killing of millions of Native Americans we never really got to the high a population at our height we may have had 800,000 but really not much higher if even that high!
EvilGnomes
13-08-2004, 09:51
You mean principles like killing and disenfranchising millions of native Americans, and importing hundreds of thousands of slaves from Africa to work like dogs without pay for rich white people? Oh, and like being the only country in the world to detonate a nuclear weapon on foreign soil?

Hailing from a convict colony as I do (which for anyone that didn't read my previous post is Australia) I think we shouldn't hold the sins of the past against America. Besides, I think all countries have shady pasts if you look back far enough (possibly not Canada though, but maybe they do and I just don't know about it - did they do the slave thing?).
Tricozia
13-08-2004, 09:54
(possibly not Canada though, but maybe they do and I just don't know about it - did they do the slave thing?).

Well hey geuss what technically right now their is still illegal slave across the whole planet so yes Canada had a slave thing, But never was it legal due to the British colony thing. As for a shady past well civil war in the early bits is a little shady in my eyes. Having a war with the U.S. wasn't fun either, stats of the war 1812: 5,000 dead on U.S. side, 6,000 dead on British/Canada, and 16,000 dead Natives, this number was close to 20% of the left overs after disease like Small Pox got to them.
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 10:02
Rock on, convicts!
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 10:04
You mean principles like killing and disenfranchising millions of native Americans, and importing hundreds of thousands of slaves from Africa to work like dogs without pay for rich white people? Oh, and like being the only country in the world to detonate a nuclear weapon on foreign soil?


blah fucking blah blah

I'm sure no other country in the world has ever killed innocent people.

Germany killed 6 million jews. Lets all hate Germany.

Russia killed 25 million people. Lets all hate Russia.

Almost 100 million people were killed in the purges under Mao, Ho Chi Min and Pol Pot. Lets hate China, Vietname and Cambodia!

Japan killed millions of Chinese and Koreans. Lets all hate Japan.

Britain has killed and still does kill hundred of thousands of Irishman. Lets all hate Britain.

Italy killed Somolians. Lets hate Italy.

France sliced the heads off hundreds of thousands of people during its revolution and the resulting turmoil from said revolution cost millions of lives throughout Europre. Lets all hate France.

God Damn isn't selective history fun?

Any country when held up to all its past errors will NEVER come out with a clean slate... 'Cept possibly Canada or Austrailia, not to keen on their civil history. But I can tell you this. America is not alone in its disenfranchising of millions.

Its reality. It happens everywhere.

Frankly I'm sick and tired of seeing my country singled out for it. I'm sorry, I love America. I don't think its hip or fun to bash it. Learn goddamned world history before you start pointing the finger at the US as being the most horrible nation in the world.

America is a great nation, with great people. You've got more freedome to exercise your rights here then anywhere else in the world.

And yeah, I guess I am just an ignorant American.

Odd that the ignorant American has a wider and more open world view then most of his critics.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 10:06
That's right! Now who want's Commie Cakes! I mean... American Cakes... ya...
EvilGnomes
13-08-2004, 10:14
Any country when held up to all its past errors will NEVER come out with a clean slate... 'Cept possibly Canada or Austrailia, not to keen on their civil history. But I can tell you this. America is not alone in its disenfranchising of millions.

Nope, we're not clean either. We decimated the aborigines :mp5: (them's the locals they is) and even had a revolution. That's right, a bunch of convicts led a revolution... possibly about votes for everyone rather than just land owning white guys (but then again possibly just about freedom). Don't hear about our revolution much though, cause the convicts got their arses kicked :mp5: (and there were only 200 of them or something). Later we honoured them by including their rebelious flag in ours (the constellation on the aussie flag is the flag of the convict rebels), since their rebellion was just... whatever it is they were rebelling about.

I'm so amazed I remembered that.
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 10:15
*Sigh* ...sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone, I wasn't trying to imply that the colonialists were right, I did not make my meaning clear enough. What I should have said was:
"Rock on Australians!"
....because that's where I'm from, in case you didn't realise.
Moobyworld
13-08-2004, 10:24
I bet you were thinking, stupid conservative nazi Bush supporter, because that's what it is to like America, to be a Nazi.

This is a trend I've noticed, if you like America you're obviously a Bush supporter who supports the war in Iraq. Tell me I'm wrong, because it seems to me, it's a sin to love America. And personally, that just makes me boil...

I'm not a Bush supporter or a Kerry supporter, so I'll hear from both sides.[/QUOTE]


Firstly im non-american and against the war (but now pro the occupation) if a jobs worth doing its worth doing right. I wouldnt say being a bush supporter and supporting the war were mutually dependent. Its good you love your country as long as that doesnt cloud your judgement over critising your leaders it seems as though there is an atmosphere in America and i might be wrong in saying this to critisise your leaders decisions is undemocratic.

As opionated and perhaps wrong in certain cases Michael Moore is a good example i have heard him called a communist akin to Lenin Also i have often hear people say how he hates America. From an independent perspective think both of these are blatently wrong especially the first one. He might be trying to invoke his vision on your country but by doing so he is using his free speech that we cherish so much. Its common sense to know your country does wrong as all countries do. If he is campaigning for a fairer and just society then that should not be denounced as unpatriotic.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 10:28
I know the war is stupid, but I support our troops hm?

What I'm trying to say also, is that patriotism isn't bad, geez louise.

SOrry if I sound offensive, but did you read the thread?
Karinthie
13-08-2004, 10:29
I'm a non-American, and I hear from a lot of people that they hate Bush, and sometimes hate America itself. That really annoys me. I don't (always) agree with the American government either, but that doesn't mean you have to hate it, or that Bush is some kind of criminal, or that he isn't a real christian. :mad:
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 10:30
Micheal Moore is an idiot. He's the same as Ann Coulter, Al Franken, or Rush Limbaugh. I have no idea why Franken and Moore are so widely appluaded yet Coulter and Limbaugh are considered horrible.

Oh, right, its hip to hate America. So skewing the facts, lying and misrepresenting informaiton is okay, as long it bashes America.

Makes sense now.


This is why I hate the news. I read about 20 News Papers, and I still don't get the whole story.
Tricozia
13-08-2004, 10:30
So hello up their more freedoms LOL you think that having 2 people running past a gaurd check in an airport and having the whole place shutdown for 2-3 hours if freedom this happened just on wednsday. Stopping a whole airport due to 2 men wow, so free. A large airport in Pitsburg. At least the freedom
to stop an airport exists now.

So how much more do you want me to dish out i'll give you much crap because i've grown up know odd facts like that. And if you give it to those who may not want it well thay'll give it back man! Anyways the thing is the U.S. is actually only considered the most powerful nation on earth due to it's money, well guess what a good 1% of it is from the Middle-East so think of that Dude! 1% if you think about is actually huge.

The thing is that we'll in truth your country is a weakling like all countries are it's just better at hiding it than most are. Population is the thing you must think of really China 1.2 billion, India a little behind. But that is not the big ones, The whole of Africa is above 3 Billion so they may be at war with themselfs for the most part but the area the most power.

The country with the actual most power right now is china sorry to say. Now that a Canadian has said stuff try to read it all the facts are true just like yours, but think of the numbers 20% of a people dead in 4 years of war. HMMM... i wonder about that why so big.

Well it was probabally because if the war would have gone as it should have for the Brits. and not ended as a stalemate the U.S. wouldn't exist at bthis moment and a True Native American country would be in existence instead. So think about it.!!!!!!!!!
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 10:33
and Moore isn't campaigning for anything besides lining his own pockets with other people's money.


Funny, if anyone holds him under the same light he holds anyone else he cries slander and defamation. Moore is shit. Moore is bad for America. Moore is serving only to further wedge about the bipartisan movements and giving people bad information to run around half cocked with.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 10:35
*sigh*

I'm not saying America is the best, I'm saying I love America, geez, and you won't change my mind.
Tricozia
13-08-2004, 10:36
Here's another thing well moore maybe skewing facts well what are we doing everytime we think? We skew the facts so he's biased as far as i remember it is legal to have a voice in a democratic society!?
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 10:38
Here's another thing well moore maybe skewing facts well what are we doing everytime we think? We skew the facts so he's biased as far as i remember it is legal to have a voice in a democratic society!?

Didn't you just say we didn't have too many freedoms?
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 10:41
Tricoza, my angry misguided friend.

That airport was shut down, and rightly it should've been. On 9/11 we saw what 'a couple of guys' could do. Your argument here is stupid and ridiculous.


Furthermore, lets talk about power shall we. I've already had this debate with people just slightly smarter then you, but what the fuck why not do it again.

The only real power in the world is military and economic. The amount of power you have is only effective in the manner in which you project it.

In the economic sense China weilds tremendous amounts of power. They manufacture toy cars and computer parts, something every nation needs. However, when it comes to military might China is sadly lacking.

You can have the largest standing army in the world but that isn't going to mean one thing if you cannot project your force. China cannot project its force worth a damn.

Its airforce is no match for the current US air defense and its Navy isn't even worth mentioning. Yes it has a massive standing army, but a standing army is useless, in 1991 Iraq had the third largest army in the world, seasoned by ten years of conflict with Iran. They lost, horribly, because they were outclassed, just like China's billion man army would be outclassed by the American military.

You're argument doesn't make much sense. China and America have a symbiotic trade agreement, but the US can live without China, not so much vice versa. In a military slugfest, the US wins, hands down, you're a friggin moron and oblivious to the facts to think otherwise.

So lets see, economically the US is stronger then China and militarily the US is stronger then China..

Clearly China is a more powerful nation.

Good job, go eat so more paint chips.
Starjumperland
13-08-2004, 10:43
Any country when held up to all its past errors will NEVER come out with a clean slate... 'Cept possibly Canada or Austrailia, not to keen on their civil history. But I can tell you this. America is not alone in its disenfranchising of millions.


hmmm, no... Canada's not as clean as everybody hopes.... how about when we kept every japanese-canadian person in the country in camps in british columbia and stripped them of everything thwy owned...

even the "nicest" countries have skeletons in their closets.... the problem is that they think it's right at the time....
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 10:44
Tricoza,

I was just stating that Micheal Moore is a lying sack of shit. Not that he should have his ability to speak revoked.


I hate what he says. But god knows I'll give my life to make sure his fat ass can keep on lying in the freeworld. Shit, if you're an American I'd also die to insure your mentally stunted and incompetent ass can keep being stupid online.

Thats America. Hating with a passion what you're neighbor has to say. But being willing to lay down your life to defend his right to say it.
EvilGnomes
13-08-2004, 10:44
Mackistahn : I still think Moore rocks. but I say go ahead and hold him up to the light, I'd be interested to know his flaws (besides the making money thing - how dare he make money).

Tricozia : I'd like to say that was a very good argument, but I can't. Your grammer is so bad, I couldn't understand what you said. All I managed to get from all that was "US sucks".

Damnit, can everyone stop flaming America? Auzzies love the underdog and you guys are making America the underdog... starting to feel... compassion... NOOOOOO!!!!!!..........

I love America, let's all be friends :fluffle:
Chikyota
13-08-2004, 10:48
You're argument doesn't make much sense. China and America have a symbiotic trade agreement, but the US can live without China, not so much vice versa.


While the US may be stronger economi9cally and militarily, you'd be a fool to think that the US can really live without China. The two countries are relying for each other to a great degree, and the US would be fool-hardy to try and walk away from that.
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 10:49
Evil: Its a matter of his presentation. I have the same problem with him that I have with Ann Coulter, Al Franken and Rush Limbaugh. He's slants things faaar too much.


You can find plenty of his critics online, a couple of them might even make sense.
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 10:51
Chikyota: We can live without China. It would just be really bad for about a decade, but we could do it without collapsing. I don't think China could handle it.
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 10:53
EvilGnomes: As a fellow Australian, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Mackhistan(I think I spelled that right): If we're talking about the superior quality of armed forces, Australia would probably kick America's arse any day. That is, if our defence force wasn't so laughably miniscule...

Oh, and the above comment was not meant as a slur on America in general or the American people...I just happen to think that Australia's troops are generally better trained and, to a certain extent, more technologically intelligent than America's. Pardon my patriotism, it doesn't happen often.
Starjumperland
13-08-2004, 10:54
Mackistahn : I still think Moore rocks. but I say go ahead and hold him up to the light, I'd be interested to know his flaws (besides the making money thing - how dare he make money).

Tricozia : I'd like to say that was a very good argument, but I can't. Your grammer is so bad, I couldn't understand what you said. All I managed to get from all that was "US sucks".

Damnit, can everyone stop flaming America? Auzzies love the underdog and you guys are making America the underdog... starting to feel... compassion... NOOOOOO!!!!!!..........

I love America, let's all be friends :fluffle:

you know, i'm sure we would love to be friends with america if they would stop refusing our cows at the border....
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 10:54
at this point, its now 6am EST, where I live.

Now I've got a hurricane set to make its presence felt in the area sometime soon. So Imma try to get some sleep.

Have fun guys. Keep it clean, and for the love of crippled children in orphanages try and keep arguments factual.


or if your going to lie make it funny.
Chikyota
13-08-2004, 10:56
Chikyota: We can live without China. It would just be really bad for about a decade, but we could do it without collapsing. I don't think China could handle it.
I don't think you are taking into account all the investments on the dollar the Chinese government has made. Suffice it to say that the Chinese government could send the US into a serious recession, if not outright depression, at the cost of its own economy as well. And both nations could find other trading partners, but they would both suffer for a lnog period of time. At this moment in history, the two have become too intertwined for any attempted separation to go over well for either.
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 10:59
Sparrow: When it comes to quality of armed forces, pound for pound, the Israeli Defence Force can probably kick the shit out anyone in the world.

Fortunately, numbers do factor in, thats why the US military would be so retardedly hard to combat that its not worth thinking about, which when coupled with NATO becomes even larger... Going toe to toe with the US is like crashing a car into Gibraltor, it might be an amazingly made car, but sometimes a whole lot of mountain can overcome anything...

Seriously though.. Its sleepy time, been up 25 hours at this point.
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 11:00
Chikyota: You're right, I wasn't.

Get ready, this won't happen often.

You were right I was wrong.



Now I'm going to sleep.
Chikyota
13-08-2004, 11:02
Chikyota: You're right, I wasn't.
Get ready, this won't happen often.
You were right I was wrong.

Now I'm going to sleep.

Lol, thank you. have a good night.
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 11:04
Going to sleep? And where I live, it's only 8pm Friday night. I suppose some people like to get their beauty sleep, though... ;)
Starjumperland
13-08-2004, 11:12
Going to sleep? And where I live, it's only 8pm Friday night. I suppose some people like to get their beauty sleep, though... ;)

haha and somepeople like to spend their friday nights places like this ;) myself, it's only friday morning....
Daenland
13-08-2004, 11:15
So Do I! :)

But I love the entire world and all it's inhabitants.

:fluffle:

;)
Daroth
13-08-2004, 11:33
blah fucking blah blah

I'm sure no other country in the world has ever killed innocent people.

Britain has killed and still does kill hundred of thousands of Irishman. Lets all hate Britain.

And yeah, I guess I am just an ignorant American.

Odd that the ignorant American has a wider and more open world view then most of his critics.

UK has never killed anything close to that amount. AND WE ARE NOT STILL KILLING IRISH.

The difference is, english, french, german, japanese, say... yes we did do this. In the US (as alot see it) its: Yes we're still doing it!!!
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 11:34
haha and somepeople like to spend their friday nights places like this ;)

Well, considering my weekend typically starts on a Thursday, I need to spend Friday night in to recover from my night of sex, drugs and rock & roll, then prepare for my undoubtedly even more enjoyable night on Saturday... ;)
Daroth
13-08-2004, 11:38
Tricoza, my angry misguided friend.

That airport was shut down, and rightly it should've been. On 9/11 we saw what 'a couple of guys' could do. Your argument here is stupid and ridiculous.


Oh so that explains why on flights leaving the US people have managed to smuggle such things as bullets into the UK by keeping them in their pockets!
have not got the reference but happened just after Xmas.
EvilGnomes
13-08-2004, 11:39
Yes auzzie troops rock.

I have no idea about anyone else's army, but I have a friend in the Australian defence force.

There was this one joint training operation between whatever our best is called and US Navy seals, and the Auzzies finished the mission before the Seals managed to get past the waves to the beach (love that Auzzie surf). And apparently joint opperations are scary because the fatality rate in US operations is so much higher :mp5: (teehee, can anyone else tell I only just discovered this smiley)

And in regards to sleep, I laugh in the face of it. Why at this very moment (9:30pm) I'm working late to catch up and won't be home for... I should really go do that work shouldn't I?...
Goodnight all!
Daroth
13-08-2004, 11:40
EvilGnomes: As a fellow Australian, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Mackhistan(I think I spelled that right): If we're talking about the superior quality of armed forces, Australia would probably kick America's arse any day. That is, if our defence force wasn't so laughably miniscule...

Oh, and the above comment was not meant as a slur on America in general or the American people...I just happen to think that Australia's troops are generally better trained and, to a certain extent, more technologically intelligent than America's. Pardon my patriotism, it doesn't happen often.

Yeah!
And anyway the best fighting force in the world is the british anyway. and before arguing look up the stats.
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 11:44
Yeah!
And anyway the best fighting force in the world is the british anyway. and before arguing look up the stats.

But we're sexier, and isn't that what matters?
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 11:52
But we're sexier, and isn't that what matters?

No, Australians are sexier! :cool:
The Island of Rose
13-08-2004, 11:54
No, Australians are sexier! :cool:

Nuuu we're sexier! :mp5:
EvilGnomes
13-08-2004, 11:55
But we're sexier, and isn't that what matters?

Definately.
I concur.
Yep.
me too I agree.

All my multiple personalities agree with you there, it's like why all the best computer games have a female lead character. Sexyness is the most important attribute in combat :D

Of course, a quite wonderful side effect of all those Australian beaches is that the Auzzies still kick US arse when it's sexiness that matters... atleast we would if there were any girls in our army, but my army friend seems to indicate this is not the case.
*sigh*
Seosavists
13-08-2004, 12:06
Britain has killed and still does kill hundred of thousands of Irishman. Lets all hate Britain.
What do mean still lol. last time I checked the british wherent killing us. infact I think they stopped killing us (at least in the south) in 1916.
Ireland would kick your asses you would never find our Air Force its so eh... big.
EvilGnomes
13-08-2004, 12:11
What do mean still lol. last time I checked the british wherent killing us. infact I think they stopped killing us (at least in the south) in 1916.
Ireland would kick your asses you would never find our Air Force its so eh... big.

ooh, is it like the Kiwi air force? they lost a jet in the ocean cause it was so eh... new (that's what you get for buying second of australia who buys second hand from the US)
Corpulent Sorrow
13-08-2004, 12:14
Ah, Kiwis. Their Defense Force is even more amusing than ours. :D
Starjumperland
13-08-2004, 12:42
Ah, Kiwis. Their Defense Force is even more amusing than ours. :D

as a Canadian, I'm obligated to be proud of our leaky submarine and few scattered helicopters that I'm sure we consider 'defense'...
Tricozia
13-08-2004, 17:07
Tricoza,

I was just stating that Micheal Moore is a lying sack of shit. Not that he should have his ability to speak revoked.


I hate what he says. But god knows I'll give my life to make sure his fat ass can keep on lying in the freeworld. Shit, if you're an American I'd also die to insure your mentally stunted and incompetent ass can keep being stupid online.

Thats America. Hating with a passion what you're neighbor has to say. But being willing to lay down your life to defend his right to say it.


Ok well thanks for saying that man but i'm a Canadian so don't give me any shit about being an American.

Last time i typed it was only 2:30 A.M. so i was even more hot headed than usual, Sorry all!
Tricozia
13-08-2004, 17:25
Tricoza, my angry misguided friend.

That airport was shut down, and rightly it should've been. On 9/11 we saw what 'a couple of guys' could do. Your argument here is stupid and ridiculous.


Furthermore, lets talk about power shall we. I've already had this debate with people just slightly smarter then you, but what the fuck why not do it again.

The only real power in the world is military and economic. The amount of power you have is only effective in the manner in which you project it.

In the economic sense China weilds tremendous amounts of power. They manufacture toy cars and computer parts, something every nation needs. However, when it comes to military might China is sadly lacking.

You can have the largest standing army in the world but that isn't going to mean one thing if you cannot project your force. China cannot project its force worth a damn.

Its airforce is no match for the current US air defense and its Navy isn't even worth mentioning. Yes it has a massive standing army, but a standing army is useless, in 1991 Iraq had the third largest army in the world, seasoned by ten years of conflict with Iran. They lost, horribly, because they were outclassed, just like China's billion man army would be outclassed by the American military.

You're argument doesn't make much sense. China and America have a symbiotic trade agreement, but the US can live without China, not so much vice versa. In a military slugfest, the US wins, hands down, you're a friggin moron and oblivious to the facts to think otherwise.

So lets see, economically the US is stronger then China and militarily the US is stronger then China..

Clearly China is a more powerful nation.

Good job, go eat so more paint chips.


Well I find it interesting that you bring 9/11 up well that day definatly was a painfully excrusiating day in my life. Even as just a Canadian i got to feel heavy effects of it. Moron common man you could come up with something better oh well so how far out of High School are you? If not out well you have a problem but if you are well ok then. NDP Rules. Paint yum but i'm smart enough to only try it once unlike some U.S. citezens i'm typing to (just for the record Sarcasm doesn't work online) You know what my brain is on auto type so i caN'T EVEN tell what i'm typing right now oh well. Good morning, Good Afternoon, and Good Night.
Poetic Irony
13-08-2004, 17:34
Anyways, yeah, Bush is a dipshit, if only the Republican party was smart enough to put someone more intelligent and with a semblance of charisma and speaking ability to run...



Why do you need charisma, when you can just get your brother and your oil baron friends to win the election for you?
Mackistahn
13-08-2004, 18:21
Well I find it interesting that you bring 9/11 up well that day definatly was a painfully excrusiating day in my life. Even as just a Canadian i got to feel heavy effects of it. Moron common man you could come up with something better oh well so how far out of High School are you? If not out well you have a problem but if you are well ok then. NDP Rules. Paint yum but i'm smart enough to only try it once unlike some U.S. citezens i'm typing to (just for the record Sarcasm doesn't work online) You know what my brain is on auto type so i caN'T EVEN tell what i'm typing right now oh well. Good morning, Good Afternoon, and Good Night.


WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Learn some goddamned grammar. Seriously, its getting ridiculous.

9/11.. You're talking about Air Ports being shut down for breaches of security.. Lets think about the last time something bad happened with airplanes in the US.. Think long and hard you stupid fuck.

hmmm

It'd be 9/11. Its because of 9/11 that we have seen such huge changes in airport security. It's because of the WTC Towers being destroyed that we will shutdown an ENTIRE airport to catch two people that ran past security.

Why? Because we already know what a couple guys can do when they hijack an airliner.

Care to continue making an ass of yourself?


-----
About the British thing: my bad, I actually didn't mean to type STILL. Apologies.
Roach-Busters
13-08-2004, 18:25
I LOVE AMERICA AND I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!

I'll add my two cents:


Love America- Yes :D

Support our troops- Same as above :D

Support this war- No :mad:

Support out dictator, er, I mean, President- No :mad:

As for, Kerry, if I ever met him face-to-face, I'd say: :upyours:, Kerry!
FoxTopia
31-08-2004, 05:41
Mackistahn, actually their's been a few plane crashes, and one incedent in January of 2002, where a young pilet flew into a building in florida, but it was a small one person plane.. building was still there, just had an indent on where the plane hit.

Now, as far as military goes,
- not including size: Isrealis
- per capita: North Korea
- most kick ass nickname: Aussies (kiwis..common, that's awsome)
- overall: U.S.
- assuming the canadian military had equipment and enough people, they would be the best. or at least against the U.S. because in war games (where you agree to limit your size, although you keep your higher tech stuff) Canunks win every time.

Now, as far as Canada goes (my own country) their's a song that relates our relation with the U.S. It's done by the band Arrogant Worms and the lyrics go "it's not that we're better. It's just that we're less worse"

Also, as far as Bush goes.. i think he'll both lose and win again... he'll "win" the election.. but, once again.. have less votes. just like how he "won" last time, with more americans voting for the other guy. Although i will still hold out the shred of hope, that he will lose, even if it means everyone will have to put up with that douche-ball Kerry. if Kerry wins, he'll win because he can say "hey, at least i'm not W."
Democratic Nationality
31-08-2004, 06:21
I LOVE AMERICA AND I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!

I bet you were thinking, stupid conservative nazi Bush supporter, because that's what it is to like America, to be a Nazi.

This is a trend I've noticed, if you like America you're obviously a Bush supporter who supports the war in Iraq. Tell me I'm wrong, because it seems to me, it's a sin to love America. And personally, that just makes me boil...

I'm not a Bush supporter or a Kerry supporter, so I'll hear from both sides.

I've never heard of a Nazi who supports bush. Maybe there are a few around, but I'd guess most nazis would think bush is just a tool of Israel, regarding the Iraq war and American middle-eastern policy in general. Actually, I'm a conservative and I think the same thing along with some liberals, btw. And I'd think most nazis would rather have Saddam as president of the US than Bush. There I'd have to disagree with the nazis ;)
Kuningaskunta
31-08-2004, 06:40
we are not living in a America, but we are not sorry...
The Sound- Not living in America

I love Europe. We have beautiful buildings, we have our freedom etc..
We don't have any stupid presidents, we have big European Comission.
There's more people than in USA, and they are not Fat asshes.
Von Witzleben
31-08-2004, 10:07
Nuuu we're sexier! :mp5:
You sure are (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5670919/).