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Almost all Jews that live outside of Israel are liberal, including me. Most of the time us American/European Jews get along with fellow democrats well on politics, except when talking about Israel.

Israel, is a right-winged socialist country. Most people think every Jew in the world is just like the Israelis, (the whole attacking kids thing)

We are caught in this dilemma of being ridiculed by both Liberals and Conservatives! Even though we are Liberal, left wingers often have a moralistic tendancy to support the weak. This is, of course, absolutly fine.

However, Israel is a young country, about 50 years old. Does anybody know about the 6 day war, when this tiny country was able to fight off an entire alliance of Arab forces? Israel was a left wing hero!

Palestinians are sending their young children to attack the Israeli soldiers, (this martyr terrorism crisis) Happy how the press is morphing it into a "bullying" situation. That is another story.


The main point is that the Jews of the world -except in Israel- are DEMOCRATIC. BUT the democrats do not like the Jews, because they have an association with Israel and these "bullying" of the Palestinians. It really sucks to be unaccepted into a political party you believe in, just because of your religion.



My family has no ties to the modern Israel.

Israel rocks, Jews are persecuted unfairly, and there is no such thing as a Palestinian country! So there.

Its because Israel's enforces its hegemony on Palestine through the most brutal means. Breaches UN Resolutions and International Law, maintains Illegal Settlements and uses underhand tactics such as 'anti-semitism' to deflect critiscm.

Heh, thats Israel, but what about the Liberal Jews of the world? NWV, sometimes I see you make a comment about something extremely right winged to be "pro-Jew"

No, absolutely not true. On the contrary. Unless the Jew are living in Israel, he/she is Liberal.

Heh, thats Israel, but what about the Liberal Jews of the world? NWV, sometimes I see you make a comment about something extremely right winged to be "pro-Jew"

No, absolutely not true. On the contrary. Unless the Jew are living in Israel, he/she is Liberal.

I totally agree with you, every Jew I have met outside of Israel is very liberal and left wing, its only those in Israel who live in the settlements who are ultra right wing, or thats how I percieve it anyway.

Heh, I used to know an Israeli. To tell you the truth, he was a moron. However, my Hebrew school teacher was a retired Israeli security agent, and he was one of the most democratic people I have ever met in person.

:confused:

Almost all Jews that live outside of Israel are liberal, including me. Most of the time us American/European Jews get along with fellow democrats well on politics, except when talking about Israel.

Israel, is a right-winged socialist country. Most people think every Jew in the world is just like the Israelis, (the whole attacking kids thing)

We are caught in this dilemma of being ridiculed by both Liberals and Conservatives! Even though we are Liberal, left wingers often have a moralistic tendancy to support the weak. This is, of course, absolutly fine.

However, Israel is a young country, about 50 years old. Does anybody know about the 6 day war, when this tiny country was able to fight off an entire alliance of Arab forces? Israel was a left wing hero!

Palestinians are sending their young children to attack the Israeli soldiers, (this martyr terrorism crisis) Happy how the press is morphing it into a "bullying" situation. That is another story.


The main point is that the Jews of the world -except in Israel- are DEMOCRATIC. BUT the democrats do not like the Jews, because they have an association with Israel and these "bullying" of the Palestinians. It really sucks to be unaccepted into a political party you believe in, just because of your religion.

I'm not sure if your perceptions are actually reality. Saying Israel is a "right-winged socialist society" really seems inaccurate. Israeli politics run a wide spectrum, more diverse than, say, US politics. You could write an entire book just on the intricacies of the various Israeli political parties and their ideologies.

Second, it's erroneous to say imply that everyone in Israel supports killing Palestinian kids, or even the policies of the present government. People in Israel CONSTANTLY criticize the government. Take a look at any online Israeli paper (Haaretz, Maariv, Jerusalem Post, Jerusalem Report, Arutz Sheva, etc...)

It's similarly incorrect to imply that Republicans are all on Israel's side, while Democrats basically hate it. It's true that there is a WING of the Democratic party/ liberal ideology that's anti-Israel, and even more people (including many Jews) who are critical of it, but that's not the same thing as saying "Reps like Israel, Dems like Palestinians".

I totally agree with you, every Jew I have met outside of Israel is very liberal and left wing, its only those in Israel who live in the settlements who are ultra right wing, or thats how I percieve it anyway.

Actually, less than half of all Israeli settlers are there for ideological (nationalist or religious) reasons. It's estimated that something like 75% of them are there because of economic reasons. It's cheap to live there, and the quality of life (with the exception of terrorism) is generally better than in many crowded Israeli cities).

Also, and this is particularly shameful, the Israeli govt- especially under Sharon- refuses to let many of the settlers who WANT to leave out of their leases. As a result, you have quite a few who WOULD leave, but simply can't afford to, as it would require them to pay for two homes- one inside the Green Line, one in the territories.

Heh, I used to know an Israeli. To tell you the truth, he was a moron. However, my Hebrew school teacher was a retired Israeli security agent, and he was one of the most democratic people I have ever met in person.

:confused:

Yeh, I know people who live in Israel who are family of my friends. They say the Orthodoxy always gives people trouble if they don't adhere to staying in on the sabbath and things like that. Once I heard somebodys Car got stoned because of it.

However, Israel is a young country, about 50 years old. Does anybody know about the 6 day war, when this tiny country was able to fight off an entire alliance of Arab forces? Israel was a left wing hero!



Does anyone know about Deir Yassin? Very left wing and heroic.

The Dems arent Pro-paletinean. Frankly the Republicans are probably closer.
But what I'm im trying to say is that Both parties arent Particularly friendly to their cause. Did someone come up into the street and hassle you because of the Palestine Situation? I dont know why else you would write this. I understand that Most Jews out of Isreal are Liberal and arent generally Rabidly Pro-Isreali. The Thing with isreal is taht the reason they do Such things isnt because they are jewish its because of the way politics is inside the country. Its extraordinarilly Infantile.

frankly i dont care about the jews either way and israel needs to get their act together

I for one have nothing against the jews. I can't stand Israel's current politics but I don't think it has anything to do with them being jew, which they are not (Israel is supposed to be secular).
Zionist philosophy is wrong in my opinion though.
I like Charlie Chaplin (who was a jew) and his philosophy.

I like Charlie Chaplin (who was a jew) and his philosophy.
wasn't he named as being a commie, EVIL EVIL :rolleyes:

I like Charlie Chaplin (who was a jew) and his philosophy.
Wasn't Charlie Chaplin a pedophile?

Almost all Jews that live outside of Israel are liberal, including me. Most of the time us American/European Jews get along with fellow democrats well on politics, except when talking about Israel.

Israel, is a right-winged socialist country. Most people think every Jew in the world is just like the Israelis, (the whole attacking kids thing)

We are caught in this dilemma of being ridiculed by both Liberals and Conservatives! Even though we are Liberal, left wingers often have a moralistic tendancy to support the weak. This is, of course, absolutly fine.

However, Israel is a young country, about 50 years old. Does anybody know about the 6 day war, when this tiny country was able to fight off an entire alliance of Arab forces? Israel was a left wing hero!

Palestinians are sending their young children to attack the Israeli soldiers, (this martyr terrorism crisis) Happy how the press is morphing it into a "bullying" situation. That is another story.


The main point is that the Jews of the world -except in Israel- are DEMOCRATIC. BUT the democrats do not like the Jews, because they have an association with Israel and these "bullying" of the Palestinians. It really sucks to be unaccepted into a political party you believe in, just because of your religion.



My family has no ties to the modern Israel.

I hear what you are saying, I have a (non-Israeli) Jewish friend who is disgusted at some of what Israel does towards Palestinians and subsequently claims to be in the interest of all Jews.

This issue was also highlighted when recently Israeli Prime Minister Sharon called on all Jews in France to emmigrant to Israel. The leaders of the Jewish community in France condemned his comments.

We are lucky that the majority of Jews around the world and here in Europe acknowledge that Israel's actions against the Palastinians often go far too far, and they are also mature enough, unlike Israel's current government, to not make stupid accusations of all Europeans being anti-semetic simply because they speak out about Israeli violence against Palestinians.

Before I add my two agorot, I want to ask: how many of you have spent any appreciable time in Israel? Of those who have, 1) are you Jewish? 2) how long were you there? 3) what do you think the Israeli people's political views are?

I like Charlie Chaplin (who was a jew) and his philosophy.

Charlie Chaplin was english.

Charlie Chaplin was english.

Not that that alone proves that he was not jewish, although he wasn't.

Almost all Jews that live outside of Israel are liberal, including me. Most of the time us American/European Jews get along with fellow democrats well on politics, except when talking about Israel.

Israel, is a right-winged socialist country. Most people think every Jew in the world is just like the Israelis, (the whole attacking kids thing)

We are caught in this dilemma of being ridiculed by both Liberals and Conservatives! Even though we are Liberal, left wingers often have a moralistic tendancy to support the weak. This is, of course, absolutly fine.

However, Israel is a young country, about 50 years old. Does anybody know about the 6 day war, when this tiny country was able to fight off an entire alliance of Arab forces? Israel was a left wing hero!

Palestinians are sending their young children to attack the Israeli soldiers, (this martyr terrorism crisis) Happy how the press is morphing it into a "bullying" situation. That is another story.


The main point is that the Jews of the world -except in Israel- are DEMOCRATIC. BUT the democrats do not like the Jews, because they have an association with Israel and these "bullying" of the Palestinians. It really sucks to be unaccepted into a political party you believe in, just because of your religion.



My family has no ties to the modern Israel.

It's extremely refreshing to hear intellegence from a monotheist. My christian parents are under the impression god is on the israeli side in this conflict because their religion mutated from judaism...*rolls eyes*

Israel rocks, Jews are persecuted unfairly, and there is no such thing as a Palestinian country! So there.

ah, armored ear has spoken! we bow to your idiotic and baseless comment, and agree because it came from YOU.

Well nobody's bothered to answer my question so I will start:

I am not jewish but I lived in Jerusalem for three years, working in a tourist hotel until the intifada iii started after the deliberate instagation of Sharon (who went up to walk around the Temple Mount surrounded by about 100 armed security troops, sparking the first and totally predictable riots) and by murderous extremists planted within the I.D.F. (who deliberately targetted children with live ammo). I left after tourism went through the floor and I had no job.

In my experience Israelis were, at least before that time, evenly divided between the left and the right. Half the country was willing to make major if not total land consessions while the other half considered the occupied territories to be a permenent part of Israel.

This division is very much like that of modern America. Jews tend to be on the left in America because they are a minority. In Israel they divide themselves up pretty much the way Americans do.

I like Charlie Chaplin (who was a jew) and his philosophy.

First, as I understand it, Chaplin actually wasn't Jewish.

Second, what philosophy are you talking about? I know very little about Chaplin.

All the world's jews are communists whether they wear the liberal or neocon facade.

All the world's jews are communists whether they wear the liberal or neocon facade.

Are all the world's facists fucking morons like you?

Are all the world's facists fucking morons like you?
What are you talking about?? :confused:

What are you talking about?? :confused:

Jeeze, you're even stupider than I thought.

Jeeze, you're even stupider than I thought.

You've made no sense...
All you've done is hurl unwarranted vulgar insults with no explanation.

You've made no sense...
All you've done is hurl unwarranted vulgar insults with no explanation.

Would say that it is you who make stupid and biased comments

You've made no sense...
All you've done is hurl unwarranted vulgar insults with no explanation.

...at somebody who labels a whole race as evil. Poor little baby.

...at somebody who labels a whole race as evil. Poor little baby.
You need a reality check...

You need a reality check...

Goit anything from reality to back up your claims?

Goit anything from reality to back up your claims?

Are you disputing left-wing Jewish control over America??!!!

Are you disputing left-wing Jewish control over America??!!!

Can you read? If so, do the words that you have quoted say that I do?

Can you read? If so, do the words that you have quoted say that I do?

You're making this very difficult...
Exactly what claims are so disturbing to you?

You're making this very difficult...
Exactly what claims are so disturbing to you?

Who said I was disturbed?

Who said I was disturbed?
Just get to the point about why you launched your verbal attack earlier!
You seem to have a very Jewish personality...

Wow...this is getting childish. Here are my two cents:) Considering that Israel was founded after the second world war as a sort of "hey, we knew things were going kind of bad for you guys, and we didn't do anything about it until the last minute, so here is something to make us feel less guilty" gesture, and many holocaust survivors ended up there, it seems crazy that Israelis would turn around and persecute another group of people after being so horribly persecuted themselves. There are no bounds to human stupidity, and it seems like anyone who gets a bit of power wants to wield it over someone else (airport security, revolutionaries turned dictators, campesinos turned patrones) I agree that labelling all Jews as pro-Israel is a gross oversimplification...and thinking that all Israeli's support their own government is even sillier....is there ANY country in the world where everyone agrees with the government? And by the way, doesn't anyone else feel stupid saying "THE JEWS"??? Isn't Judaism a religion, not a nationality?

Just get to the point about why you launched your verbal attack earlier!

I guess you do have troubles reading... here:

All the world's jews are communists whether they wear the liberal or neocon facadeAre all the world's facists fucking morons like you?. . .

You need a reality check...Got anything from reality to back up your claims?

Read it two or three times... ask your mommy for help if you have any trouble with the big words.

You seem to have a very Jewish personality...

If by "have a very Jewish personality" you mean "are at least twice as intelligent as an inbred fucktard like myself could ever be" then thank you. :) But I really don't think it's a matter of Jews being smarter than you, only that it would be next to impossible for anyone to be stupider, except for your father/brother/uncle (all the same guy).

Wow...this is getting childish. Here are my two cents:) Considering that Israel was founded after the second world war as a sort of "hey, we knew things were going kind of bad for you guys, and we didn't do anything about it until the last minute, so here is something to make us feel less guilty" gesture, and many holocaust survivors ended up there, it seems crazy that Israelis would turn around and persecute another group of people after being so horribly persecuted themselves. There are no bounds to human stupidity, and it seems like anyone who gets a bit of power wants to wield it over someone else (airport security, revolutionaries turned dictators, campesinos turned patrones) I agree that labelling all Jews as pro-Israel is a gross oversimplification...and thinking that all Israeli's support their own government is even sillier....is there ANY country in the world where everyone agrees with the government? And by the way, doesn't anyone else feel stupid saying "THE JEWS"??? Isn't Judaism a religion, not a nationality?

You really should look into the history of the foundation of Israel, because your concept of how and why it happened seems to be rather erronious.

Its because Israel's enforces its hegemony on Palestine through the most brutal means. Breaches UN Resolutions and International Law, maintains Illegal Settlements and uses underhand tactics such as 'anti-semitism' to deflect critiscm.
Oh, and I am sure you are not an anti-semite. Just that make-believe platform masking anti-semitism, called anti-Zionism.

First of all, the Jews are a race, not a religion.
Most modern Jews have no relation to the Biblical Hebrews. Those lighter-skinned, hook-nosed Jews that flood Jew York and have names like Goldberg are Ashkenazi "Jews" descended from the Khazar kingdom, an Asian Semitic people in Eastern Europe whose entire nation converted to Talmudism in the 7th century. These are the stereotypical Jews who make up 85% of world jewry and almost all of jewish immigration in America. Though they are both Semitic, the Sephardic Jews who rightfully inhabited Palestine peacefully for many years before Ashkenazis illegally took over the land look very much like Arabs.

Secondly, Israel was created as a base for Jewish world domination. A Holocaust© had to be invented with the magic number of 6,000,000 Jews being made into soap. Opposition to Zion is now a heavy crime to pay in our western "democracies."

First of all, the Jews are a race, not a religion.
Most modern Jews have no relation to the Biblical Hebrews. Those lighter-skinned, hook-nosed Jews that flood Jew York and have names like Goldberg are Ashkenazi "Jews" descended from the Khazar kingdom, an Asian Semitic people in Eastern Europe whose entire nation converted to Talmudism in the 7th century. These are the stereotypical Jews who make up 85% of world jewry and almost all of jewish immigration in America. Though they are both Semitic, the Sephardic Jews who rightfully inhabited Palestine peacefully for many years before Ashkenazis illegally took over the land look very much like Arabs.

Secondly, Israel was created as a base for Jewish world domination. A Holocaust© had to be invented with the magic number of 6,000,000 Jews being made into soap. Opposition to Zion is now a heavy crime to pay in our western "democracies."

Firstly, congratulations! You've discovered how to cite history! I knew my efforts would not be in vain.

Secondly, nice assertions. I'll be back in the morning to see if you've actually located any facts.

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Almost all Jews that live outside of Israel are liberal, including me. Most of the time us American/European Jews get along with fellow democrats well on politics, except when talking about Israel.

Israel, is a right-winged socialist country. Most people think every Jew in the world is just like the Israelis, (the whole attacking kids thing)

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The main point is that the Jews of the world -except in Israel- are DEMOCRATIC. BUT the democrats do not like the Jews, because they have an association with Israel and these "bullying" of the Palestinians. It really sucks to be unaccepted into a political party you believe in, just because of your religion.

Ok, so, MOST are liberal. Not my boyfriend's parents. So, I'd have to disagree. But, generally, yeah, outside of Israel...*gasp* you're actually just as messed up as your average freedom loving liberal and bible-toting conservative

But, you're right, Israelis are from a whole other planet! :eek: I mean, really... they think they're so great! Or, at least the one I know vs the Canadian jews I know. *shudder* soo fucked up... -.-; no wonder I got such bad vibes from him and such good ones from my boyfriend....

The Jewish sarcasm in your post is really not doing well to hide your idiocies, Druthulhu.
If you're going be this asinine than simply do not return to such a thread as this without anything to contribute but endless drivel and poor excuses.

If you're going be this asinine than simply do not return to such a thread as this without anything to contribute but endless drivel and poor excuses.
While this is a great idea, I doubt this person is going to listen to you. This person is moronic for a reason, to amuse the rest of us.

You really should look into the history of the foundation of Israel, because your concept of how and why it happened seems to be rather erronious.

I'm pretty well aquainted with the foundation of Israel....my rather sarcastic synopsis of it was aimed at the victorious governments of the post WWII era who knew terrible things were being done to Jews, gypsies, homosexuals etc... and yet didn't bother making any moral statements about it until they finally got off their butts and went to war. Once the war was over, these governments supported the Zionist movement (which had been strictly curtailed at times in their own countries before) and the creation of Isreal... it seems, more out a sense of guilt at not having acted to stop the holocaust sooner, and for the political reason of creating a friendly state in the middle east, than for any real belief in the Zionist ideals.

First of all, the Jews are a race, not a religion.

What the hell? I'm full Japanese, and my parents converted. Judaism is a religion, most Jews are white or middle-eastern. Next time please try and put some thought into the mindless babbling of your posts.

All the world's jews are communists whether they wear the liberal or neocon facade.

Wow, I should really let my parents know about this before they pick up their next paychecks. I guess we missed that meeting. :rolleyes:

Most modern Jews have no relation to the Biblical Hebrews.

This was disproved by a genetic study which found common DNA between Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and some of the African Jews.

Those lighter-skinned, hook-nosed Jews that flood Jew York

You just earned two :upyours: :upyours:

and have names like Goldberg are Ashkenazi "Jews" descended from the Khazar kingdom, an Asian Semitic people in Eastern Europe whose entire nation converted to Talmudism in the 7th century.

As I said, this has been disproved. Furthermore, Talmudism is not a religion, moron.

The Jewish sarcasm in your post is really not doing well to hide your idiocies, Druthulhu.
If you're going be this asinine than simply do not return to such a thread as this without anything to contribute but endless drivel and poor excuses.

Sarcasm is a jewish trait? Wow! Well, I guess in your little tornado town anyone who uses some kind of rhetorical abstraction is to be suspected of controlling the world, huh?

Anyway... where was I being sarcastic? What poor excuses? I can see calling my posts drivel, I'll give you that, but I have yet to see any proof of any of the assertions you've made other than decades-disproven forgeries. Could it be that you're projecting, saying to me "put up or shut up" because you have no answers yourself other than cutting and pasting the lies you've been fed by your barely-more-educated-than-yourself fellow douchebags?

I am here to stay. If you've got a problem with that, crawl back into your hole with the rest of your White Shame party.

While this is a great idea, I doubt this person is going to listen to you. This person is moronic for a reason, to amuse the rest of us.

Same to you with sprinkles and a cherry on top! :fluffle:

What the hell? I'm full Japanese, and my parents converted. Judaism is a religion, most Jews are white or middle-eastern. Next time please try and put some thought into the mindless babbling of your posts.
jewish is a race and a religion

jewish is a race and a religion

No, "Jewish" is a culture, and a large component of that culture is the religion Judaism. Furthermore, many people who are part of the Jewish culture have a common Jewish ancestry. However, this is not the same thing as a "race" per se, since one can become a member of the Jewish culture without having the same genes as another member of the Jewish culture. Hence the existence of Asian, African, and Middle Eastern Jews, as well as European ones.

Saying "Jewish is a race" implies that when one converts to Judaism (and thereby "becomes Jewish") that one's genes change.

Israel is my second favorite country.

No, "Jewish" is a culture, and a large component of that culture is the religion Judaism. Furthermore, many people who are part of the Jewish culture have a common Jewish ancestry. However, this is not the same thing as a "race" per se, since one can become a member of the Jewish culture without having the same genes as another member of the Jewish culture. Hence the existence of Asian, African, and Middle Eastern Jews, as well as European ones.

Saying "Jewish is a race" implies that when one converts to Judaism (and thereby "becomes Jewish") that one's genes change.
no, im saying those people who convert to judaism become part of the jewish religion and "culture" if you like, however i do consider jewish a race, as you said MANY jews have a common ancestry, and many have features that distingiuish them as being of the jewish race

This was disproved by a genetic study which found common DNA between Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and some of the African Jews.
Jews have been mixing for centuries. You did not cite the actual study so I have no reason to believe an unbiased study ever found that link. Either way, what does it matter? Both Sephardic and Ashkenazis are fraudulent claims to the "jewish" label? Cite facts why a Turkic kingdom in Eastern Europe somehow is able to become the ancient "chosen people" in the 7th century.




As I said, this has been disproved. Furthermore, Talmudism is not a religion, moron.
Talmudism is a religion. Judaism ceased to exist some time ago.

The main point is that the Jews of the world -except in Israel- are DEMOCRATIC. BUT the democrats do not like the Jews, because they have an association with Israel and these "bullying" of the Palestinians. It really sucks to be unaccepted into a political party you believe in, just because of your religion.


No offense, but when discussing "the Jews of the world" - outside of the US a description of the average Jew as a Democrat is rather besides the point.

Yes most Jews I have met are quite socially liberal. In most countries that means that there is a party affiliation that suits them. In the US your two parties are right, and center as most western countries woud view the political spectrum. There isn't a viable option that most of us would view as truly left in the US.

Nor do I think that you give enough credit to your countrymen. Most CAN distinguish between an American Jew and an Israeli, although there are enough knee-jerk apologists for anything Israel does to cause some to wonder at the viewpoint of the "average" Jew.

People like to bottonhole people far to much. Find a group that they can associate with them and assume that they all represent a completely homogeneous world view.

In other words - too many people are stupid and take the easy way out rather than get to know the individual.

Saying "Jewish is a race" implies that when one converts to Judaism (and thereby "becomes Jewish") that one's genes change.

You cannot become a Jew. You must be born a Jew.
Liberal orders of Judaism (actually Talmudism) have become accepting converts to increase support for Israel but this does not make them Jews. A cultural or religious talmudist is not a jew unless he has jewish bloodline.

Jews have been mixing for centuries. You did not cite the actual study so I have no reason to believe an unbiased study ever found that link.

http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/the_cohanim_-_dna_connection.asp

Either way, what does it matter? Both Sephardic and Ashkenazis are fraudulent claims to the "jewish" label? Cite facts why a Turkic kingdom in Eastern Europe somehow is able to become the ancient "chosen people" in the 7th century.

Why don't you cite facts demonstrating that the Khazar "mass conversion" theory is actually true?

Talmudism is a religion. Judaism ceased to exist some time ago.

That's largely a matter of semantics. However, feel free to back this up.

You cannot become a Jew. You must be born a Jew.

That is simply not true, and I encourage you to find a source demonstrating it to be the case.

Liberal orders of Judaism (actually Talmudism) have become accepting converts to increase support for Israel but this does not make them Jews.

That depends who you ask. It is true that the Orthodox do not recognize non-Orthodox conversions as valid, but it has nothing to do with bloodlines.

Ruth was a convert. She is a celebrated and venerated figure in Judaism. (See http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/j4jlibrary/ruthmotherofconverts.html). She was the ancestor of David, Solomon, and the future Messiah. All of these men are of "impure" bloodlines. Doesn't seem to have affected their standing.

A cultural or religious talmudist is not a jew unless he has jewish bloodline.

Prove it.

http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/the_cohanim_-_dna_connection.asp
For some reason Aish.com seems to lack a certain neutrality on this issue. (maybe it was the Israeli flag on the webpage...)
Nobody has disputed that Ashkenazis are Semitic. Arabs are Semitic as well yet neither have a link to the Ancient Hebrews nor have the modern Sephardics have any hard proof either for that matter.



Why don't you cite facts demonstrating that the Khazar "mass conversion" theory is actually true?
According to Wikipedia: Khazars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars)

At some point in the last decades of the 8th century or the early 9th century, the Khazar royalty and nobility converted to Judaism, and the general population followed. Some researchers have suggested part of the reason for this mass conversion was political expediency to maintain a degree of neutrality...

That's largely a matter of semantics. However, feel free to back this up.



That is simply not true, and I encourage you to find a source demonstrating it to be the case.



That depends who you ask. It is true that the Orthodox do not recognize non-Orthodox conversions as valid, but it has nothing to do with bloodlines.



The Jews are a distinct racial group. Converting to Talmudism does not make someone a Jew anymore than converting to Mohammedanism makes someone an Arab. This is a natural fact. If you are one of the new assimilated Jews who welcomes converts, your opinion does not overrule Jewish tradition and actions throughout history, not to mention the obvious fact that your bloodline cannot just be converted. The religion of the small minority of faithful ancient hebrews has no relation to modern Talmudism. Modern Talmudic conversions are done not to "save souls" like Christianity but to increase support for Israel and to ensure that children of mixed couples are Jewish.

For some reason Aish.com seems to lack a certain neutrality on this issue. (maybe it was the Israeli flag on the webpage...)

I didn't say anything about its neutrality.

Nobody has disputed that Ashkenazis are Semitic. Arabs are Semitic as well yet neither have a link to the Ancient Hebrews

Says who? And what difference would it make?

According to Wikipedia: Khazars
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars)

At some point in the last decades of the 8th century or the early 9th century, the Khazar royalty and nobility converted to Judaism, and the general population followed.

This remains debated among academics. There is a strong possibility that the the conversion was limited to just the upper echelon of the Khazars.

The Jews are a distinct racial group.

According to who?

Converting to Talmudism does not make someone a Jew anymore than converting to Mohammedanism makes someone an Arab. This is a natural fact.

Once again, according to who?

If you are one of the new assimilated Jews who welcomes converts, your opinion does not overrule Jewish tradition and actions throughout history

Such as?

not to mention the obvious fact that your bloodline cannot just be converted.

Exactly, they can't. Hence evidence that "bloodlines" are irrelevant to the conversion process. Look up "conversion", "Israel", "Jewish", and "Orthodox" in Google. You'll find that it's a very controversial and presently-relevant topic, with the Orthodox trying to retain control over Jewish conversions in Israel.

... Why would they care if, as you say, all conversions are invalid anyway? Wouldn't it be irrelevant? Or is it that, according to you, the Orthodox aren't ACTUALLY Orthodox? :rolleyes:

The religion of the small minority of faithful ancient hebrews has no relation to modern Talmudism.

Prove it.

Modern Talmudic conversions are done not to "save souls" like Christianity

"Saving souls" has NEVER been a part of Jewish theology. Unlike Christianity, Judaism does not believe people are damned from birth. As such, there is no need for anyone to be "saved". They merely must be a good person.

but to increase support for Israel and to ensure that children of mixed couples are Jewish.

Prove it.

I didn't say anything about its neutrality.
Well then... :rolleyes:







According to who?



Once again, according to who?

Jews themselves have always self-segregated in their respective hosts.
Although it is a heavy intellectual debate in modern anthropology, the Talmud shows the Jewish belief in their "chosen people" race which would be idiotic to dispute.



Such as?
It would be extremely ignorant of you to act as though Jews have always been perfectly assimilated and loving of the goyim. Jews have no racial connection to Europe or EuroAmerica and were rightfully expelled out of every western nation the parasites attempted to manifest themselves in for 2000 years.



Exactly, they can't. Hence evidence that "bloodlines" are irrelevant to the conversion process. Look up "conversion", "Israel", "Jewish", and "Orthodox" in Google. You'll find that it's a very controversial and presently-relevant topic, with the Orthodox trying to retain control over Jewish conversions in Israel.

... Why would they care if, as you say, all conversions are invalid anyway? Wouldn't it be irrelevant? Or is it that, according to you, the Orthodox aren't ACTUALLY Orthodox? :rolleyes:
Being a Jew and practicing Judaism are two different things.
Your statements here need some clarification.


"Saving souls" has NEVER been a part of Jewish theology. Unlike Christianity, Judaism does not believe people are damned from birth. As such, there is no need for anyone to be "saved". They merely must be a good person.


The Talmud was not written with God in mind. The Rabbis' opinion that "all of Israel will be saved" meant Jews are superior was expanded upon in the Talmud. Flawed theology is the reason why Israel lost their land and was accursed by God. Modern Talmudists continue to worship false idols as Israel and Judah did. The Talmud is obviously an idol, blocking the way to God. "Being a good person" is very relative and once again lacks clarification.

Well then... :rolleyes:

The fact that Aish is not neutral does not in of itself invalidate the study, which was not conducted BY Aish.

Here are some more links which refer to the same or similar studies:

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f03/web2/tliben.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Cohen-Modal-Haplotype

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/familycohanim.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/familylemba.html

Furthermore, there is this site, which has a lot of information pertaining to this and other topics: http://www.khazaria.com/

Jews themselves have always self-segregated in their respective hosts.

That is not in of itself an indication of a RACIAL ideology.

Although it is a heavy intellectual debate in modern anthropology, the Talmud shows the Jewish belief in their "chosen people" race which would be idiotic to dispute.

The Chosen People concept is certainly present in the Talmud. But it is false to associate it with "race".

It would be extremely ignorant of you to act as though Jews have always been perfectly assimilated and loving of the goyim.

I don't recall saying anything like this. However, not assimilating is not the same thing as being actively hostile, which is what you are implying. The Jews were a powerless and persecuted group throughout most of their history. It is not surprising they became insular and distrustful of non-Jews. This is not evidence that Judaism is inherently "anti-Gentile".

Jews have no racial connection to Europe or EuroAmerica

Relevance?

and were rightfully expelled out of every western nation the parasites attempted to manifest themselves in for 2000 years.

Exactly what constitutes a "rightful expulsion"?

Being a Jew and practicing Judaism are two different things.

One can only BECOME a Jew through religious conversion. This is the case whether one is Orthodox or of another denomination.

In Israel, there is an ongoing debacle over whether people that are not Jewish according to Orthodox Law (Halakha) can be considered "Jewish". Related to this is the discussion over whether a conversion done according to Reform or Conservative auspices, and by a Reform or Conservative rabbi, are "legitimate". According to the Orthodox, only Orthodox conversions are valid, and people that are not Jewish according to Halakha are not Jewish.

In order to be Jewish according to Halakha, one must fulfill one of two requirements:

1- You must have a Jewish mother ("Jewish" according to Halakha).
2- You must convert according to Halakhic conversion guidelines.

Obviously, if the only way to become a Jew was to be born a Jew, which is what you're alleging, conversion would be meaningless. So why would the Orthodox care at all?

Furthermore, you haven't answered the "Ruth, David, Solomon, and Messiah" problem. How can all these people be considered Jewish if, according to you, Judaism doesn't consider Jewish converts to actually be Jewish?

Saving souls" has NEVER been a part of Jewish theology. Unlike Christianity, Judaism does not believe people are damned from birth. As such, there is no need for anyone to be "saved". They merely must be a good person.The Talmud was not written with God in mind.

Prove it.

The Rabbis' opinion that "all of Israel will be saved" meant Jews are superior was expanded upon in the Talmud.

Prove it.

Flawed theology is the reason why Israel lost their land and was accursed by God.

Opinion and conjecture.

Modern Talmudists continue to worship false idols as Israel and Judah did. The Talmud is obviously an idol, blocking the way to God.

How is it "obviously" an idol? That's completely subjective.

"Being a good person" is very relative and once again lacks clarification.

Fair enough. It's basically dependant on which Jews you're asking. Non-Orthodox Jews have their own opinions on what constitutes "goodness", although they probably have a lot of common themes. Orthodox Jews use the Talmudic guidelines of a "Righteous Gentile".

Here is a website RUN by Righteous Gentiles, complete with a list of the 7 Noahide Laws: http://www.ahavat-israel.com/ahavat/am/goyim.asp

With respect G-d's commandments, all of humanity is divided into two general classifications: the Children of Israel and the Children of Noah.

The Children of Israel are the Jews, the descendants of the Patriarch Jacob. They are commanded to fulfill the 613 commandments of the Torah.

The Children of Noah are the Gentiles, comprising the seventy nations of the world. They are commanded concerning the Seven Universal Laws, also known as the Seven Laws of the Children of Noah or the Seven Noahide Laws.

These Seven Universal Laws pertain to:

Avodah Zarah: Prohibition on idolatry.
Birchat HaShem: Prohibition on blasphemy and cursing the Name of G-d.
Shefichat Damim: Prohibition on murder.
Gezel: Prohibition on robbery and theft.
Gilui Arayot: Prohibition on immorality and forbidden sexual relations.
Ever Min HaChay: Prohibition on removing and eating a limb from a live animal.
Dinim: Requirement to establish a justice system and courts of law to enforce the other 6 laws.

Edit: More on why Judaism doesn't proselytize:

http://www.aish20s.com/userfiles/HTML/nts_1_188_1.html