TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN (http://life.short.be/) [Archive]

Bottle

11-08-2004, 22:53

This is the problem Nelson and I are having with this Sandy person. I'm not Nelson. I am working on about 3,000 posts on these forums. Nelson has a nation on NS, but he has less than 10 posts on these forums. Sandy was obviously confused as to what the site was really about and didn't even look through all of it before attacking both people who work on that site as if they were one person. So, Bottle, I am just as angry with you as I am with Sandy. Hell, damnit, read my sig. It says "Click here for a website that I write "news" articles for" (or something like that). Doesn't that imply that I don't do the whole website and their are obviously multiple people working on it? And despite that fact, Sandy based her opinion of everything contained in that website (which she obviously didn't look through) on my posts on this forum.

wait, so you're angry at me because i didn't know that you weren't Nelson, even though YOU linked to the site and YOU have responded here about the article? how was i to know you aren't the person writing there?

if this is the sort of stuff you get mad about then no wonder Sandy has such a low opinion of you. cool down and use your head. if you are going to have a public site up then you need to deal with the fact that you will get negative comments from time to time. not everybody will agree with you or like your site. that doesn't make them idiots, it just means they don't like what you have to say. i don't like what that site had to say, and i mostly thought it was self-aggrandizing efforts from inexperienced writers, but that doesn't mean i'm an idiot. it's my opinion, based on my tastes. if you don't like it then don't put your writing on public sites. don't claim that you want people to sign your guestbook or your comments if all you are looking for is praise; people will be painfully honest over the 'net, and you're going to get hate mail.

Sandy doesn't like your site. boo freaking hoo. the fact that Nelson (and you) reacted the way you did just makes you look like cry babies who are waaaaaaaay too emotionally invested in the internet. if getting one negative comment from somebody you don't even know will inspire an entirely new section of your page then you guys are pretty weak. the best way to show Sandy up would have been to act like the adult and respond like a sane human being, rather than stooping to school-yard insults and a whole page rant trying to make Sandy look bad.

just take a few deep breaths and get over yourself, it's really not that big a deal.

Berkylvania

11-08-2004, 22:55

If you'll read the whole website, you realize that the website didn't lie to you. Thanks.

Nope! Won't do it. Can't make me. Besides, it shows up wierd on my screen and I have to mess around with the second window to even get the nav bar to show up. So, I'll just adopt the standard NS position, and completely misinterpret and misstate you and your website...WHICH LIED TO ME, NOT-NELSON, IT LIED TO ME!!!!!

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 22:56

wait, so you're angry at me because i didn't know that you weren't Nelson, even though YOU linked to the site and YOU have responded here about the article? how was i to know you aren't the person writing there?

if this is the sort of stuff you get mad about then no wonder Sandy has such a low opinion of you. cool down and use your head. if you are going to have a public site up then you need to deal with the fact that you will get negative comments from time to time. not everybody will agree with you or like your site. that doesn't make them idiots, it just means they don't like what you have to say. i don't like what that site had to say, and i mostly thought it was self-aggrandizing efforts from inexperienced writers, but that doesn't mean i'm an idiot. it's my opinion, based on my tastes. if you don't like it then don't put your writing on public sites. don't claim that you want people to sign your guestbook or your comments if all you are looking for is praise; people will be painfully honest over the 'net, and you're going to get hate mail.

Sandy doesn't like your site. boo freaking hoo. the fact that Nelson (and you) reacted the way you did just makes you look like cry babies who are waaaaaaaay too emotionally invested in the internet. if getting one negative comment from somebody you don't even know will inspire an entirely new section of your page then you guys are pretty weak. the best way to show Sandy up would have been to act like the adult and respond like a sane human being, rather than stooping to school-yard insults and a whole page rant trying to make Sandy look bad.

just take a few deep breaths and get over yourself, it's really not that big a deal.
1) This post is a great example of an amateur trying to write.
2) I'm not mad that she doesn't like the site. I know people won't like the site. I don't deny the existence of the right-wing.
3) I don't like that Sandy posted such a comment without a) leaving any way for us to contact her (since she is wrong about a lot of what she posted), b) posted and made an opinion of the website based of my posts on NS, and c) didn't even look through the website.

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 22:58

Nope! Won't do it. Can't make me. Besides, it shows up wierd on my screen and I have to mess around with the second window to even get the nav bar to show up. So, I'll just adopt the standard NS position, and completely misinterpret and misstate you and your website...WHICH LIED TO ME, NOT-NELSON, IT LIED TO ME!!!!!
Show me where the website says that "Opal Isle is Nelson, the owner and operator of http://life.short.be/" or show me where in my sig it says I do more than just develop content and I will stop arguing with you.

Bottle

11-08-2004, 23:01

1) This post is a great example of an amateur trying to write.

well i would hope so, since i am an amateur writer and not a professional. thanks for the compliment :).

2) I'm not mad that she doesn't like the site. I know people won't like the site. coulda fooled me. what sensation were you going for with your little rant?
I don't deny the existence of the right-wing. what does that have to do anything? i don't like your site, and i'm not right-wing by any stretch of the imagination. it's not about the IDEAS on the site, it's about the quality and execution.

3) I don't like that Sandy posted such a comment without a) leaving any way for us to contact her (since she is wrong about a lot of what she posted), b) posted and made an opinion of the website based of my posts on NS, and c) didn't even look through the website.
so you don't like it. so what? my points stand: you are tweaking over nothing. if you want email addresses to be provided by all people who comment on your site then make that a feature of the guestbook. otherwise get over it.

PS: insulting the writing style of people who argue with you is a negative debating tactic; it makes you look dumber than you probably are because you look like you need to throw mud to distract from your weak position. if you're going to insult people then try to do it while you respond to their points, instead of just insulting them and failing to actually answer them. just a tip from an accomplished amateur ;).

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:04

coulda fooled me. what sensation were you going for with your little rant?
I didn't say I'm not mad. I said I'm not mad for the reasons you claimed I was mad.
what does that have to do anything? i don't like your site, and i'm not right-wing by any stretch of the imagination. it's not about the IDEAS on the site, it's about the quality and execution.
Point taken.

so you don't like it. so what? my points stand: you are tweaking over nothing. if you want email addresses to be provided by all people who comment on your site then make that a feature of the guestbook. otherwise get over it.
It is an option. The point is that if she felt she could back it up, she would have a) emailed on of us (our emails our available), b) posted on forums (you don't have to register, or c) provided her email address or some form of contact.

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:08

Sanctimonious Piety

11-08-2004, 23:13

Hi, I'd like you to meet the real Nelson--me. Recently, some of you have said that the site 'sucks' because I use frames, but as an example of my looking at both sides of the issue, I have considered frames and tables, yet I chose frames because it allows for a quickly exchangable "skin" on the webpage--all I have to do is upload some new files. I addressed the problem with resolution messing it up: it always pops up with the same resolution on every platform, every updated, good broswer, and every resoultion. I addressed the bland navigation with some simple pictures for those illiterates out there, and most people expect navigation difficulty to be on the level of a wet retard, but I like to think of our navigation system as an IQ buffer so that people who have the mentality of an air-drunk fish won't be able to damage their brains by accessing information they wouldn't be able to comprehend. If someone is too narrow-minded to see through a page's layout to read the content, then they don't even need to be reading content--they need to go pick themselves out a nice picture book from the children's library. As for content, yes, I had two fully-capitalized words in all my rants--yes, like the two she had in one tiny post. It's a rant--I have the power to do that, so I do that, but if you come onto my page and do something like that, I'm going to use it to ridicule you--why? because I'm an entertainer! It's what I do. I use everything and anything to generate content for my site, and if you don't like it, make your own site. We'll have a banner exchange or link exchange or some such thing. The reason there hasn't been much content on the site is because I'm in the middle of packing out and moving to another city on my own, so learning to do HTML by hand (I'd done some earlier work, but I got out of practice) and trying to raise up a website (which most people says sucks because it's non-traditional and blows their mind into the next state in which a dog quickly laps up their brain and passes it on a nearby roadway) which will be original and carry my opinions as well as Nick's. For the record (since some of you still can't read), I am Nelson, and I do everything on the site but the news section (if you'd read the freaking rant on Sandy, then you'd understand that--I even used small words), and Nick is Opal Isle, and he does the News section and nothing but except when otherwise stated (I hope you're figuring this out by now).

If anyone has serious, constructive criticism (involving real suggestions), then I'll gladly listen to it on the forum.

To recap, if you don't like the website, don't visit or make your own. Sandy is still stupid because she didn't "look at all sides of the issue," the website, to see that she was attacking the wrong person. Any of you who still maintain that Nick is really me are complete idiots because I can't do anything more to explain it to you, and the rant about Sandy was written by Nelson to be entertaining. If you will, show me your uniquely designed websites if you're going to complain and say that mine sucks. I may not have a lot of flashy graphics on there, but does Maddox? No. I don't always agree with the guy, but he's right that some of you kiddies out there who can't see past a graphic interface don't deserve to be enlighted with his or my omnipotence.

Bodies Without Organs

11-08-2004, 23:13

1) This post is a great example of an amateur trying to write.

Are we to take it that you are a professional writer?

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:14

Are we to take it that you are a professional writer?
Are you Sandy?

Seket-Hetep

11-08-2004, 23:15

answer: Sandy's post was so idiotic that we actually made retorts to it and created a whole new section to the website.
cool. another sandy-bashing section.

Bodies Without Organs

11-08-2004, 23:16

Are you Sandy?

Are you accusing me of being Sandy?

Erastide

11-08-2004, 23:17

Are you Sandy?

LOL! Stop being so paranoid.... You're getting NS regulars commenting on something you posted on General and critiquing you on what you posted here.

You implied you were professional

Suicidal Librarians

11-08-2004, 23:17

(I hope the mods don't take this down because of the link in title, whoever, I felt something must be done about this.)

Someone on these forums has clicked my signature, went to the site it links to and posted a very insulting comment in the guestbook there. This person goes by the name of "Sandy" in the guestbook, but provided absolutely no means for me or the other person who works on the site to contact Sandy. She didn't visit our forums or any of the other parts of the website, she merely commented in the guestbook expecting to get away with it. I hate to use the NS forums as a means to contact this person, however, I see no other method (as I expect she'll not return to the site). So, "Sandy," if you're out there and you read this, please either email me (comfog@gmail.com), visit the http://life.short.be/ forums, or post a reply here with some way for me to contact you so that I may talk to you about some of the things you posted in our guestbook. (And I know you guys are asking "Why not just delete the post and get over?" The answer: Sandy's post was so idiotic that we actually made retorts to it and created a whole new section to the website. Thanks for helping us develop content Sandy.)

Ridicule Corner, cool idea.

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:18

cool. another sandy-bashing section.
Who is Sandy? Do you know her?

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:19

Are you accusing me of being Sandy?
I have reason to suspect, but if you deny that you are Sandy, I'll take your word for it.

Sanctimonious Piety

11-08-2004, 23:19

cool. another sandy-bashing section.

There's another Sandy-bashing section? Awesome.

Are you accusing me of being Sandy?

Being Sandy is now an insult! Rise my minions! Rise and destroy this Sandy! >.> <.<

Sanctimonious Piety

11-08-2004, 23:21

Opal Isle/Nick is a professional writer--he writes for my website, so don't be harassing my employee about his credentials or I'll have to tar and feather him. His life is in your hands.

Sanctimonious Piety

11-08-2004, 23:22

Ridicule Corner, cool idea.

Yes, it is. I speak for all of us when I say "thank you Sandy."

Bodies Without Organs

11-08-2004, 23:22

I have reason to suspect, but if you deny that you are Sandy, I'll take your word for it.

I would hope that if I did confess to being Sandy, then everybody else would follow suit in a display of NationStates solidarity with cries of "No, I'm Sandy!", "No, I'm Sandy!", "No, I'm Sandy!"

Care to explain your reason for suspecting me?

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:22

Opal Isle/Nick is a professional writer--he writes for my website, so don't be harassing my employee about his credentials or I'll have to tar and feather him. His life is in your hands.
Well, it is true. I do have a job as a writer, and that does make it a profession, which in all technicalities would indeed make me a professional. I get paid.

Bodies Without Organs

11-08-2004, 23:23

Opal Isle/Nick is a professional writer--he writes for my website, so don't be harassing my employee about his credentials or I'll have to tar and feather him. His life is in your hands.

Is he paid for doing so, or are you using the term 'employee' loosely?

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:24

I would hope that if I did confess to being Sandy, then everybody else would follow suit in a display of NationStates solidarity with cries of "No, I'm Sandy!", "No, I'm Sandy!", "No, I'm Sandy!"

Care to explain your reason fro suspecting me?
(Not a strong suspicion)
Only because I think that I know you're female and because you posted a lot in another thread in which Sanct and I were very active in advertising http://life.short.be/ Other than that, I got nothing.

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:25

Well, it is true. I do have a job as a writer, and that does make it a profession, which in all technicalities would indeed make me a professional. I get paid.
Is he paid for doing so, or are you using the term 'employee' loosely?.

Sanctimonious Piety

11-08-2004, 23:27

NO I'm SPARTICUS--err...SANDY! I am THE one WHO posted TO the GUESTBOOK to CAUSE a CONTROVERSY. FEAR me WITH all YOU have TO FEAR!!!!11one1!

(For the less astute of you, this is a joke)

-Nels...err...Sandy

Nimzonia

11-08-2004, 23:27

I like the way that the only person that the 'Ridicule corner' makes a fool of, is Nelson.

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:28

Psst, to whoever Sandy is, I'm not looking to just gripe at you and such. I'd actually like to have a civilized conversation with you about your post (and I'm sure Nelson would as well.) If you don't want to reveal your NS identity, like I said, email me (comfog@gmail.com) or go to the forums on the website. If you contact me I will ask a mod to delete this thread.

Bodies Without Organs

11-08-2004, 23:28

Well, it is true. I do have a job as a writer, and that does make it a profession, which in all technicalities would indeed make me a professional. I get paid.

Fair enough, but I still find the comment about "a great example of an amateur trying to write" somewhat odd and insulting. The only real difference between a professional and an amateur is the fact that a professional is paid for what they do, whereas an amateur is not. I'm sure that both you and I could name examples of amateurs in fields other than writing who are much superior at their craft than some professionals. Being an amateur is no insult, in fact the word means someone that does something out of love for their craft, and it seemed like a somewhat strange way of expressing your opinion of Bottle's writing rather than just saying 'that wasn't particularly well written', or whatever your opinion may have been. Instead it seemed to me as if you were using the word 'amateur' to signify a worse writer than a professional.

EDIT: in response to Opal Isle's quoting of posts by him and me - his post was made as I was writing mine.

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:29

Fair enough, but I still find the comment about "a great example of an amateur trying to write" somewhat odd and insulting. The only real difference between a professional and an amateur is the fact that a professional is paid for what they do, whereas an amateur is not. I'm sure that both you and I could name examples of amateurs in fields other than writing who are much superior at their craft than some professionals. Being an amateur is no insult, in fact the word means someone that does something out of love for their craft, and it seemed like a somewhat strange way of expressing your opinion of Bottle's writing rather than just saying 'that wasn't particularly well written', or whatever your opinion may have been. Instead it seemed to me as if you were using the word 'amateur' to signify a worse writer than a professional.
This is an insignificant conversation at this point. You do understand how I felt however. Bottle called me an amateur writer (and I took it as an insult because he implied that I can't write well) and he can't even find the shift key.

Bodies Without Organs

11-08-2004, 23:30

... he can't even find the shift key.

He is a she.

Erastide

11-08-2004, 23:31

Bodies Without Organs

11-08-2004, 23:32

Only because I think that I know you're female

I thought that in standard practice 'Sandy' was a boy's name and 'Sandi' was a girl's name, no?

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:34

I have to wonder why you are so focused on learning "who" Sandy is. What would knowing their NS identity or a way to contact them get you????

I agree with Bottle's comments. You can't get so worked up over this. :rolleyes: Offering a place for comments invites unsupported, ranting comments.

The idea for the ridicule corner is nice, but that's as far as it should go. Any more is pointless. You've dealt with it, now move on.
It's called Business. When you have a site that is propped up by word of mouth advertising, you can't let hooligans that know nothing of the site go running around spreading lies about the site. That means there will be less potential visitors. I merely want to discuss the website with Sandy and make sure that she knows more about the website before she tells anyone not to visit it.

Opal Isle

11-08-2004, 23:35

**leaves the thread for a little while to go play America's Army (http://www.AmericasArmy.com)**

(Never fear, I shall return.)

Sanctimonious Piety

11-08-2004, 23:42

I like the way that the only person that the 'Ridicule corner' makes a fool of, is Nelson.

And for that reason, my friends, is why people come back to the site and say they agree with it, but what if they don't agree with it? Boo hoo. I don't care because I'm able to express my opinions regardless of who agrees with me or not. All the information I have on Sandy is that she came on my website (which OI happens to have a section that he may post to) and started insulting me without reason. She didn't even take the time to figure out who writes what (OI's link in his sig says that he writes the news section, so it's really not hard to figure out that more than one person is involved) before she posted her comment in the guestbook of all places. Those of you who come in here and join in on bashing Opal Isle me (not like I can't take it because it's just text) because most people are, you should take a bit of time to consider how I look at it. How does my rant make a fool of me? I added content to my site because she acted like an idiot. It's what I do because it's a personal website, and as I've said before, if you don't like it, don't read it. Some of the information on there is satire, so you have to decide for yourself.

As for the amateur thing, one who is experienced would often be referred to as a master if not a "professional" because they have gone above a novice state. It's a niggling point, but I thought I might as well bring it up.

I have to wonder why you are so focused on learning "who" Sandy is. What would knowing their NS identity or a way to contact them get you????

I agree with Bottle's comments. You can't get so worked up over this. Offering a place for comments invites unsupported, ranting comments.

The idea for the ridicule corner is nice, but that's as far as it should go. Any more is pointless. You've dealt with it, now move on.

You speak wise words, but this is kinda fun :) I'm not really mad--I'm just honestly having fun. Also, it's not bad promotion for the site, and hits are hits; they give me the energy to write more and make the page better.

Bodies Without Organs

11-08-2004, 23:47

(OI's link in his sig says that he writes the news section, so it's really not hard to figure out that more than one person is involved)

Well, technically it says that he writes '"News" articles' for it. What is the difference between a news article and a "News" article?

It's a niggling point, but I thought I might as well bring it up.

Ditto.

Sanctimonious Piety

11-08-2004, 23:52

Well, technically it says that he writes '"News" articles' for it. What is the difference between a news article and a "News" article?

Be specific? There's one news section--the front page, labeled main, is a personal blog.

Bodies Without Organs

11-08-2004, 23:54

Be specific? There's one news section--the front page, labeled main, is a personal blog.

Opal Isles's sig:

Click here to visit a website that I write "News" articles for.

Note the inverted commas/speech marks around the tenth word, which implies to me that they are something other than actual news articles: they are not news articles, but "News" articles.

***

Do we have any evidence that would lead us to believe that Sandy isn't the creation of either OI or SP posting on their own site, in order to give themselves a reason to further publicise it here on NationStates?

Jennifalia

12-08-2004, 00:06

1 So someone's decided to personal insult people on some website where people are given freedom of speech, until it's deleted. Big deal. I get insulted by people who know nothing of bureacratic system of a cable company / internet provider all the time, and apparantly I work for one of the best rated cable companies in the land of dutchies.

2 Don't take it so damn personal. There's a lot of possible reasons for someone to pick you to "attack," but whatever the reason may be, it's a complete waste of time. I'd think a 'proffesional' would have learned to ignore the ignorant, yet somehow you can't let it go. And you're the pro, apparantly....

3 I'd rather be an amature writer than have someone demand me to write in a certain, 'perfect' way. Freedom of speech, freedom of words, freedom of imagination and inspiration and, perhaps, freedom of ignorance. We'll always be ignorant in some way.

4 Save your rage for a rant; Better way to use it...

Dronken Dennis (Jennifalia), proud writer of the Alkmaar underground so-called 'masterpiece' 'May The Dude Be With You'
With over two-hundred people left thinking about it.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 00:10

It's meant to be a way for people to see "News" on the side of the page rather than assuming that my personal blog portion (personal and site news) of the site is what is being referred to. Also, it's "News" instead of "news" showing that it's a proper title quoted from the page. I'm starting to agree with Erastide on this thread because Opal just wanted to contact Sandy, but everyone but Sandy (as far as we can tell) opened their mouths. My post on my site has nothing to do with NS except that she came looking for OI and decided to start griping at me. Unless you know Sandy and her post and OI's post, you shouldn't defend her because you have even less of a clue as to what's going on than OI does. My response to her stupidity is based on what she did on my site and nothing but what she did to personally offend me and my friend (he didn't even know about the section till after it was published), and OI's response to her on this forum is based on what she did on my site about him. No one else should even be posting to this thread except Sandy unless they really want to argue in an argument which doesn't involve them--if you like the site, then sign the guestbook or post it on the LSB forum, and if you don't like the site, don't visit it or post why on the LSB forum.

For those of you who can't see all of the main part of the page without moving the window, upgrade your resolution. 1024X768 is what I use and it's below the modern standard resolution; 1024x768 is the older standard resolution, and if you're having problems viewing the site, you need to right click your desktop, click properties, and change it. If there's other problems with the site (no one has mentioned a problem besides the resolution thing) I'll gladly accept an E-Mail to leetninjamaster@hotmail.com and try to fix it as best as I can. Thanks if you do find a problem and notify me.

If you desire to post more about this and you're not Sandy, you're just talking out yer arse because this whole thread is an attempt to contact her because there was no other way. Everything that could have been said on here which is useful has been said--this is shown by the insults and "this is wrong and that is wrong and you're stupid" going back and forth. I'm through with this thread and plan on not responding past this last message--feel free to leave a last word, but the chances of my reading it are slim (you can email me what you think and we'll pick it up there if you have something you feel is really important), so do what complies with your self-satisfaction requirement.

Jennifalia

12-08-2004, 00:21

You post in a public forum and you're the only who is allowed to choose who may or may not reply?

Who's the one who made all this public again?

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 00:33

The reason I place quotes around the word "news" in my signature is because I imply (unlike anyone on any television news program) that it is my side of the story. It's biased news. Take it as that. Also, it isn't really news in the form of late-breaking stuff that you haven't heard before (because if you pay attention to other news, it'll be there before here), it's more just the things I find weird, funny, wrong, etc. Is the Electoral College really news? Honestly?

...now that that is explained...

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 00:36

And on a point of clarification: My primary goal is to contact Sandy so that I can get her to tell me what post it is (or at least what thread) that she was talking about in her post in the guestbook. Since she did not leave any form of contact or even a copy/paste of the post or a link to the thread, there is no way for me to explain/apologize for my comments so she basically just pointlessly smeared me without leaving room for any sort of counterpoint to be made.

Deltaepsilon

12-08-2004, 00:39

Both you guys(Nelson and Nick) take yourselves way too seriously. If you really wanted to have a civilised conversation with this Sandy person, you wouldn't have dedicated an entire section of your site to bashing him/her. Loosen up. And please quit plugging your website, it's really annoying.

Nimzonia

12-08-2004, 00:45

And for that reason, my friends, is why people come back to the site and say they agree with it, but what if they don't agree with it? Boo hoo. I don't care because I'm able to express my opinions regardless of who agrees with me or not. All the information I have on Sandy is that she came on my website (which OI happens to have a section that he may post to) and started insulting me without reason. She didn't even take the time to figure out who writes what (OI's link in his sig says that he writes the news section, so it's really not hard to figure out that more than one person is involved) before she posted her comment in the guestbook of all places. Those of you who come in here and join in on bashing Opal Isle me (not like I can't take it because it's just text) because most people are, you should take a bit of time to consider how I look at it. How does my rant make a fool of me? I added content to my site because she acted like an idiot. It's what I do because it's a personal website, and as I've said before, if you don't like it, don't read it. Some of the information on there is satire, so you have to decide for yourself.

I don't really care what the site is about. I'm just saying that the ridicule corner is rather childish, or at least, it is in its current incarnation, not least because it fails to effectively ridicule. The fact is, a one-sentence put down would have been effective, but the whole long rant dissassembling the post, which didn't offer much potential for dissassembly in the first place, merely comes across as immature and devoid of wit.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 00:48

Can someone please equip me with an unhijack cannon? ( :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: ) I seem to be confused as to which one of you has any information about how I can contact Sandy?

PS: If you want to talk about the website, that's fine. Here is an excellent place I suggest you look into if you want to talk about the website. (http://lifebeshort.proboards18.com/index.cgi) However, I posted this thread not to advertise for the website but to contact someone who accessed the website through this website. So, if you have any information about this mysterious "Sandy," please let me know. Otherwise, I'll be ignoring your posts (unless they are done through the website you're trying to talk about).

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 01:02

Oh, and in case you guys weren't paying attention, the thread is titled "To Whom it May Concern."

Nigh Invulnerability

12-08-2004, 01:05

I feel it concerns me because whoever wrote that in your guest book was right on the nose and I find myself agreeing with them.

What kind of name is Nelson anyway?

Cremerica

12-08-2004, 01:08

the soulution to the problem is simple, take down your crappy website and everything will be fine. My ass looks better than your site.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 01:10

I feel it concerns me because whoever wrote that in your guest book was right on the nose and I find myself agreeing with them.

What kind of name is Nelson anyway?
1) Can you contact that person? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.

2) http://www.parenthood.com/babynames_searchresults.html?searchName=Nelson

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 01:11

the soulution to the problem is simple, take down your crappy website and everything will be fine. My ass looks better than your site.
It's not my site.

Cremerica

12-08-2004, 01:12

i was just kidding by the way.

Nigh Invulnerability

12-08-2004, 01:22

Wow. My name is old Celtic for King. Nelson is old celtic for....neil's son? Not really that impressive. I mean, I generally assume a name would be more extraordinary than that but that's just paltry. But I suppose it's okay in that people CAN get their names changed these days. Just a small fee. Oh, and I meant that his criticism of you was right on the head, not the name. You already said your name isn't Neil's son.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 01:24

I hope you enjoy this fun you're having with me. I'm now going to quote up my mini-rant so people can know whether or not they should be posting here...

Can you contact that person? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 01:49

This is an insignificant conversation at this point. You do understand how I felt however. Bottle called me an amateur writer (and I took it as an insult because he implied that I can't write well) and he can't even find the shift key.
for the record, Bottle is a she, and she has metabolic muscle condition in her hands that makes it very painful to constantly try to use a shift key (because my last two fingers on each hand are worst effected by the muscle problems). most text forums have a feature that will auto caps for me at beginnings of sentences, but this one does not. i try to show respect by capsing propper names, but capsing at each sentence is extremely uncomfortable for me if i am planning to post anything of substance.

if my failure to use caps at the beginnings of sentences is all you based your analysis of my writing upon then i suggest you try reading for substance rather than appointing yourself Freshman English Prof of NationStates. see, look, i capsed four times there, just for your title...ain't i a sweetie?

Nigh Invulnerability

12-08-2004, 01:58

for the record, Bottle is a she, and she has metabolic muscle condition in her hands that makes it very painful to constantly try to use a shift key. most text forums have a feature that will auto caps for me at beginnings of sentences, but this one does not. i try to show respect by capsing propper names, but capsing at each sentence is extremely uncomfortable for me if i am planning to post anything of substance.

if my failure to use caps at the beginnings of sentences is all you based your analysis of my writing upon then i suggest you try reading for substance rather than appointing yourself Freshman English Prof of NationStates. see, look, i capsed four times there, just for your title...ain't i a sweetie?

What is the name of that condition? I want to say I've heard of something similar but I can't for the life of me think it what it was called.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:02

for the record, Bottle is a she, and she has metabolic muscle condition in her hands that makes it very painful to constantly try to use a shift key (because my last two fingers on each hand are worst effected by the muscle problems). most text forums have a feature that will auto caps for me at beginnings of sentences, but this one does not. i try to show respect by capsing propper names, but capsing at each sentence is extremely uncomfortable for me if i am planning to post anything of substance.

if my failure to use caps at the beginnings of sentences is all you based your analysis of my writing upon then i suggest you try reading for substance rather than appointing yourself Freshman English Prof of NationStates. see, look, i capsed four times there, just for your title...ain't i a sweetie?
http://maddox.xmission.com/crybaby.gif

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:05

What is the name of that condition? I want to say I've heard of something similar but I can't for the life of me think it what it was called.
what you probably have heard of is a form of mytotic muscular dystrophy. my particular problems all stem from a very rare form of chronic folic acid deficiency, and the prolonged course of my condition has lead to metabolic problems in my extremities. the irony is that i was an avid piano player, and still am encouraged to play as a form of physical therapy, but i can rarely play for more than 15 minutes before i have muscle twitches and pain. when typing, i have developed an odd style that lets me use only three fingers of each hand because it relieves some of the strain. using my ring and pinky fingers gets very painful after a bit of typing, and i can't keep up with complex discussions when i am slowed down by that.

if Opal believes my inability to type with perfect capitalization means i am a poor writer then he should probably sit down with the literature Nobel winner who taught my most recent English seminar; he seemed to think i was a solid A- student, amateur or no...the exact comments from my term paper are burned into my brain forever:

"Original piece, exceptional construction, spelling poor."

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:07

what you probably have heard of is a form of mytotic muscular dystrophy. my particular problems all stem from a very rare form of chronic folic acid deficiency, and the prolonged course of my condition has lead to metabolic problems in my extremities. the irony is that i was an avid piano player, and still am encouraged to play as a form of physical therapy, but i can rarely play for more than 15 minutes before i have muscle twitches and pain. when typing, i have developed an odd style that lets me use only three fingers of each hand because it relieves some of the strain. using my ring and pinky fingers gets very painful after a bit of typing, and i can't keep up with complex discussions when i am slowed down by that.

if Opal believes my inability to type with perfect capitalization means i am a poor writer then he should probably sit down with the literature Nobel winner who taught my most recent English seminar; he seemed to think i was a solid A- student, amateur or no...the exact comments from my term paper are burned into my brain forever:

"Original piece, exceptional construction, spelling poor."

http://maddox.xmission.com/crybaby.gif
Find a new thread to gripe about physical pains. I type with 5 fingers.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:09

http://maddox.xmission.com/crybaby.gif
wait, let me get this straight: you brush aside my points and my writing because i don't capitalize (even though my grammar, spelling, and structure are well above the standard for internet forums), and then when i explain there is a physical reason for my choice not to caps you decide to imply i'm a crybaby?

i don't cry about my condition, and i'm not asking you to give a shit, i'm just trying to make it clear to you why i don't capitalize. i want you to understand that i still take discussion seriously, even if my writing appears more sloppy than i might like.

honestly, kid, you seem pretty much like a jackass at this point. do you usually get off making fun of people for having medical problems?

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:12

And to emphasize the point that I'm not mad about people not liking the site, am I mad at you? (Aside from how we started off when you were confusing who I am...) No. Why? 1) You're not saying anything highly inaccurate. 2) You're not hiding yourself and allowing for a point-counterpoint conversation to take place.
ahhh, so you aren't mad, but you still like to insult people for having a disease and answering questions about it when asked? gee, i'd hate to see what you are like when you're in a bad mood.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:13

wait, let me get this straight: you brush aside my points and my writing because i don't capitalize (even though my grammar, spelling, and structure are well above the standard for internet forums), and then when i explain there is a physical reason for my choice not to caps you decide to imply i'm a crybaby? Spelling and organization above the average internet forum poster? Yes. Certification to criticize someone who is not an average internet forum poster? No. Sorry.

honestly, kid, you seem pretty much like a jackass at this point. do you usually get off making fun of people for having medical problems?
Yes. Especially people in wheelchairs.

Now, back to your point...which was...oh wait...

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:14

ahhh, so you aren't mad, but you still like to insult people for having a disease and answering questions about it when asked? gee, i'd hate to see what you are like when you're in a bad mood.
Not only are you to much of a wimp to reach the shift key, you probably also have cataracts in your eyes because you're having some difficulty reading my writing.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:15

Not only are you to much of a wimp to reach the shift key, you probably also have cataracts in your eyes because you're having some difficulty reading my writing.
beg pardon? i'm a bit hard of hearing...:P

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:16

Spelling and organization above the average internet forum poster? Yes. Certification to criticize someone who is not an average internet forum poster? No. Sorry.

fortunately i'm not trying to critique any such person, so i have nothing to worry about.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:16

I never said I'm not mad. I am mad, just not for the reasons you indicated.

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 02:19

Bottle
honestly, kid, you seem pretty much like a jackass at this point. do you usually get off making fun of people for having medical problems?

Yes. Especially people in wheelchairs.

Now, back to your point...which was...oh wait...

I am well aware that Bottle is more than capable of fighting her own battles, but would you care to explain to me how making fun of people with medical problems isn't covered by the term 'malicious' as used in the Etiquette section of the NationStates FAQ?

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:21

I am well aware that Bottle is more than capable of fighting her own battles, but would you care to explain to me how making fun of people with medical problems isn't covered by the term 'malicious' as used in the Ettiquette section of the NationStates FAQ?
cut the kid a break. he's obviously opperating with a few handicaps of his own; insulting the medically disadvantaged is probably the only way he can feel big.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:21

I am well aware that Bottle is more than capable of fighting her own battles, but would you care to explain to me how making fun of people with medical problems isn't covered by the term 'malicious' as used in the Etiquette section of the NationStates FAQ?
It's section 4E. I think they titled it "Sarcasm"

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:21

wait, let me get this straight: you brush aside my points and my writing because i don't capitalize (even though my grammar, spelling, and structure are well above the standard for internet forums), and then when i explain there is a physical reason for my choice not to caps you decide to imply i'm a crybaby?

i don't cry about my condition, and i'm not asking you to give a shit, i'm just trying to make it clear to you why i don't capitalize. i want you to understand that i still take discussion seriously, even if my writing appears more sloppy than i might like.

honestly, kid, you seem pretty much like a jackass at this point. do you usually get off making fun of people for having medical problems?

He makes fun of people in general all the time. I think it is his hobby.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:22

cut the kid a break. he's obviously opperating with a few handicaps of his own; insulting the medically disadvantaged is probably the only way he can feel big.
There is quite a bit of difference between a flame and sarcasm.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:23

He makes fun of people in general all the time. I think it is his hobby.
I make fun of people on http://life.short.be/ too. I make fun of people in real life too. However, this thread was actually not started for these purposes.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:23

He makes fun of people in general all the time. I think it is his hobby.
odd, usually people become good at the things they choose for hobbies. he must have taken up that past-time very recently, i suppose.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:23

Can you contact that person? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.

Just a reminder.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:24

There is quite a bit of difference between a flame and sarcasm.
odd, usually people become good at the things they choose for hobbies. he must have taken up that past-time very recently, i suppose.

Can we stop the hijack?

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:26

odd, usually people become good at the things they choose for hobbies. he must have taken up that past-time very recently, i suppose.

Just out of curiousity Bottle, how old are you?

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:29

Just out of curiousity Bottle, how old are you?
i have just recently made the graceful departure from my teen years. and yes, you all may still send me gifts, even though you are exactly one month late come Friday.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:30

i have just recently made the graceful departure from my teen years. and yes, you all may still send me gifts, even though you are exactly one month late come Friday.
And you called me "kid"?

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:31

i have just recently made the graceful departure from my teen years. and yes, you all may still send me gifts, even though you are exactly one month late come Friday.

Cool, I just wondered because I pictured Bottle as being a pretty mature person, definitely not in her teens.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:31

Cool, I just wondered because I pictured Bottle as being a pretty mature person, definitely not in her teens.
Age has little to do with maturity.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:32

Cool, I just wondered because I pictured Bottle as being a pretty mature person, definitely not in her teens.
i certainly wouldn't say i am mature, as i sit here typing in my Spiderman jammies with a mug of hot cocoa. granted, the cocoa is Carnation Instant Bourbon, but still...

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 02:34

The original purpose of this thread is lost, so I might as well hop back in like it's a new one. Bottle, if Opal was so bad at making fun of you, why do you keep coming back and reading it and then responding? Unless you're pretty old, you don't have a right to call him kid. What's wrong with making fun of people's medical conditions? Everyone does it all the time. My older brother is in a wheelchair, and I make fun of him for it every day; in fact, I'm the one that put him in there for backtalking me--I slapped him so hard that he couldn't feel anything from his midsection down. What makes you so special that you can't be skapped? You have made fun of people because they're stupid, but because someone hasn't had the same advantages in education as you, and because someone doesn't have a mental disposition towards learning doesn't mean you can insult them according to all that I've learned from your posts. Maybe I should give my country's name to you.

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:34

Age has little to do with maturity.

Opal, do me a favor and shut up.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:35

Opal, do me a favor and shut up.
Not to sound immature...but this is my thread you're hijacking here...

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:36

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:37

Not to sound immature...but this is my thread you're hijacking here...

I thought of that, but you weren't adding anything relevant to our small talk.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:39

I thought of that, but you weren't adding anything relevant to our small talk.
sigh...that's the problem public places (er, forums): they let any old riffraff in.
;)

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:40

I thought of that, but you weren't adding anything relevant to our small talk.
Small talk is irrelevant. Isn't the definition of small talk something like "the useless transfer of irrelevant information"?

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:41

It doesn't change the fact that you're still hijacking.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:41

And I do believe the fact that "Age has nothing to do with maturity" is quite relevant to a small talk conversation concerning age and maturity.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 02:42

Bottle and SL--wanna double-date?

I just thought I'd follow along since everything else in this thread sucks in a "I love you way." We need more blood and more gore--violence is the answer.

If you're small talking, you should use an instant messenger or use E-Mail.

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:42

It doesn't change the fact that you're still hijacking.

If you want the thread back on topic, why don't you post something to set it straight again.

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:43

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:43

If you want the thread back on topic, why don't you post something to set it straight again.
Sure, no problem.

Can you contact that person["Sandy"]? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:45

If you're small talking, you should use an instant messenger or use E-Mail.
wow, you haven't been around NationStates much if you think that :). there are entire threads designed for smalltalk in this place, and pretty much every thread has some sideline conversation going on between a couple of players.

i've been annoyed by it at times, too, but the plain fact is that this is the General section of a public forum. if people want more private discussions or want to exclude certain kinds of conversation from their threads then this isn't the right place for them. Opal has made it clear that he has other sites on which to post his opinions, so i'm not worried about stifling him at this point.

Monaleticia

12-08-2004, 02:47

I almost wish I were Sandy, just to know that I would bring such an uproar.

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:47

wow, you haven't been around NationStates much if you think that :). there are entire threads designed for smalltalk in this place, and pretty much every thread has some sideline conversation going on between a couple of players.

i've been annoyed by it at times, too, but the plain fact is that this is the General section of a public forum. if people want more private discussions or want to exclude certain kinds of conversation from their threads then this isn't the right place for them. Opal has made it clear that he has other sites on which to post his opinions, so i'm not worried about stifling him at this point.

Heh, heh. Took about five seconds for someone to hijack the thread again.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 02:48

As you can well see by my number of posts, I've been on NS for years and years and years.

I have a question: What topic about yourselves makes you the most defensive?

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:48

Heh, heh. Took about five seconds for someone to hijack the thread again.
it has been hijacked by a discussion on hijacking...i think that's pretty snazzy of me, thank you very much.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:49

I wonder if my command works on other people's posts...

[unhijack]wow, you haven't been around NationStates much if you think that :). there are entire threads designed for smalltalk in this place, and pretty much every thread has some sideline conversation going on between a couple of players.

i've been annoyed by it at times, too, but the plain fact is that this is the General section of a public forum. if people want more private discussions or want to exclude certain kinds of conversation from their threads then this isn't the right place for them. Opal has made it clear that he has other sites on which to post his opinions, so i'm not worried about stifling him at this point.
I wonder if my [unhijack] command works on other people's posts...

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:49

it has been hijacked by a discussion on hijacking...i think that's pretty snazzy of me, thank you very much.

It wasn't just snazzy it was hilarious.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:50

If anyone out there is wondering what the subject of this discussion isn't, well, here it is:
Can you contact that person["Sandy"]? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:54

*waits patiently for someone to hijack thread again*

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 02:54

What leads you to believe that Sandy is female? I asked before about the Sandy (boy's name)/Sandi (girl's name) thing, but got no response.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 02:54

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 02:56

What leads you to believe that Sandy is female? I asked before about the Sandy (boy's name)/Sandi (girl's name) thing, but got no response.

You talk about responses a lot--some people don't need to feel self-satisfied and can drop a topic if it's off so that they may continue with the real topic.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:56

What leads you to believe that Sandy is female? I asked before about the Sandy (boy's name)/Sandi (girl's name) thing, but got no response.
While I have no proof, I've never known a Sandi/Sandy who was a boy but have known multiple girl Sandi/Sandys. Also, I don't think that spelling would determine whether or not it was a boy/girl. I could be wrong. It could be a guy. Please help me find Sandy so we can get to the bottom of this. (However, it is interesting that right now, aside from Nelson and I, the three people active on this thread are indeed female.)

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 02:58

Well, here's something back on topic: I didn't know anything about Sandy until she posted on my site, and my site is made to make fun of people, events, places, etc, so why were people whining that she got reemed?
However...I'd be adamantly opposed to you using any part of this discussion (aside from comments you and I make) for the website. If people want a chance of getting their 15 minutes, they'll have to actually visit our site (which I don't think many of these people have completely checked out, despite their hatefulness towards it).

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 02:58

While I have no proof, I've never known a Sandi/Sandy who was a boy but have known multiple girl Sandi/Sandys. Also, I don't think that spelling would determine whether or not it was a boy/girl. I could be wrong. It could be a guy. Please help me find Sandy so we can get to the bottom of this. (However, it is interesting that right now, aside from Nelson and I, the three people active on this thread are indeed female.)

How do you know Sandy is even his/her real name? I've signed guestbooks under different names just for kicks before. And who would those three active people be?

Bottle

12-08-2004, 02:58

I have a question: What topic about yourselves makes you the most defensive?
nothing...i love talking about myself. have i mentioned how wonderful i am?

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 02:58

While I have no proof, I've never known a Sandi/Sandy who was a boy but have known multiple girl Sandi/Sandys.

Often used as a shortened alternative form of 'Alexander'.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:01

How do you know Sandy is even his/her real name? I've signed guestbooks under different names just for kicks before. And who would those three active people be?
I don't know Sandy is their real name, however, what would you suggest I call them?

3 females on this thread: You, Bottle, BWO.

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 03:01

Often used as a shortened alternative form of 'Alexander'.

Really? I never knew that.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:02

However...I'd be adamantly opposed to you using any part of this discussion (aside from comments you and I make) for the website. If people want a chance of getting their 15 minutes, they'll have to actually visit our site (which I don't think many of these people have completely checked out, despite their hatefulness towards it).

This isn't the type of stuff I'd really like to post, but I have, however, given the option for people to E-Mail me rants that they have, and I'll possibly put them up (I have rules of language, grammar[I can edit], etc, but usually I'll allow a well written argument even if it defies my own).

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:02

Often used as a shortened alternative form of 'Alexander'.
Well, I didn't say there aren't boys with the name "Sandy" or "Sandi," I merely implied that from my experience, Sandy is much more popular as a female name, which would explain my assumption. Would it be wrong to assume that a person named "Nick" is a guy even though there are females with the name "Nick"?

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:04

This isn't the type of stuff I'd really like to post, but I have, however, given the option for people to E-Mail me rants that they have, and I'll possibly put them up (I have rules of language, grammar[I can edit], etc, but usually I'll allow a well written argument even if it defies my own).
My email is also available on the website (and multiple times in this thread). And there are also forums at our website if you guys want to talk about the website...however...I have to repeat this again since we're on a new page:

Can you contact that person["Sandy"]? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:05

Really? I never knew that.

Yeah - try a Google search - alexander + sandy. You will get over a million results, and based on a random sample most of which will contain mentions of people called 'Alexander (Sandy) Hopkirk' or whatever.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:05

How do you know Sandy is even his/her real name? I've signed guestbooks under different names just for kicks before. And who would those three active people be?

He could have referred to her/him/it as Jorge Jesus Domingo Vasquez, but the name that was written there is "Sandy", so he used it hoping that she would see either her real name or the fake name she put at that URL.

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 03:06

I really doubt you will find this Sandy person. They will probably just ignore this thread. If you were Sandy would you come forward? I sincerely doubt it.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:07

I really doubt you will find this Sandy person. They will probably just ignore this thread. If you were Sandy would you come forward? I sincerely doubt it.
...then do you understand my frustration now?

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:07

Well, I didn't say there aren't boys with the name "Sandy" or "Sandi," I merely implied that from my experience, Sandy is much more popular as a female name, which would explain my assumption.

I'm merely lending you the aid of my experience which is contrary to yours, thus I would tend towards a different assumption (assuming of course that they are not operating under a nom de guerre).

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:08

I really doubt you will find this Sandy person. They will probably just ignore this thread. If you were Sandy would you come forward? I sincerely doubt it.

Opal Isle is probably not happy with the situation, but I'd be perfectly happy knowing that she's effectively reemed. Sandpaper condom w/o lube. Ooooh-yeah!

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:08

I'm merely lending you the aid of my experience which is contrary to yours, thus I would tend towards a different assumption (assuming of course that they are not operating under a nom de guerre).
Well then I thank you for your assistance. Do you know anyone who uses the name "Sandy"?

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 03:09

...then do you understand my frustration now?

Why do you want to talk to this Sandy so much. Just let the insults go, it isn't that big of a deal.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:09

Honestly...if I were Sandy, I'd come here and post "wewt, 9 page thread in honor of me" and leave.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:10

Why do you want to talk to this Sandy so much.
?*

Read the thread. (I probably explained it in the first post.)

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:10

Sandpaper condom w/o lube. Ooooh-yeah!

Ah, there's nothing like virtual metaphorical violence against women with overtones of misogynistic rape to work off a young man's frustration against a (presumed) female, is there?

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:11

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 03:11

?*

Read the thread. (I probably explained it in the first post.)

No reason to correct my posts, I noticed that I left it out right away but was too lazy to fix it.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:12

No reason to correct my posts, I noticed that I left it out right away but was too lazy to fix it.
Are you going to take the time to read through the thread (or at least the first post)?

Oh yea, another new page, another new attempted at dehijacking...

Can you contact that person["Sandy"]? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:13

Do you know anyone who uses the name "Sandy"?

I have had brief dealings with Sandy Peterson, the creator of Runequest, Call of Cthulhu and other roleplaying games, at one point, but I somehow doubt that it would have been him.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:14

I have had brief dealings with Sandy Peterson, the creator of Runequest, Call of Cthulhu and other roleplaying games, at one point, but I somehow doubt that it would have been him.
Durn, thanks anyway though.

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:15

I've heard him say that about men far more than against women so why don't you give me that feminazi flag so I can burn it, okay?

That wasn't even me speaking in anything other than first feminist gear. Do you want me to start quoting chunks of The SCUM Manifesto at you?

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 03:15

Are you going to take the time to read through the thread (or at least the first post)?

Oh yea, another new page, another new attempted at dehijacking...

I read the first post earlier, I've been to your site, I didn't think that her post was that big of a deal. You made a section about her in Ridicule Corner, said a few things, is it really necessary to continue.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:15

Ah, there's nothing like virtual metaphorical violence against women with overtones of misogynistic rape to work off a young man's frustration against a (presumed) female, is there?

First time I've used it in reference to a female--I usually use it in reference to guys. Maybe your automatic assumption that someone will imply a gender-bias with a statement sheds light on your own gender-bias.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 03:16

Ah, there's nothing like virtual metaphorical violence against women with overtones of misogynistic rape to work off a young man's frustration against a (presumed) female, is there?
i know i'm having a blast, but i think it's time to really get the party started...first we need to get some girls drunk and have sex with them (which, according to Opal's site, isn't rape and so we can call the girls sluts in the morning), and then let's all pile into the Opal mobile and find some of those hillarious people in wheelchairs to run over!

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:16

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:17

i know i'm having a blast, but i think it's time to really get the party started...first we need to get some girls drunk and have sex with them (which, according to Opal's site, isn't rape and so we can call the girls sluts in the morning), and then let's all pile into the Opal mobile and find some of those hillarious people in wheelchairs to run over!
Oh, but you're wrong. There is a difference between Guy getting girl drunk and girl getting herself drunk. However, let's no hijack this thread any further.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:17

I read the first post earlier, I've been to your site, I didn't think that her post was that big of a deal. You made a section about her in Ridicule Corner, said a few things, is it really necessary to continue.

I made the section!

Crickey--I'm the one who made the section. I'm the one who typed up the ridicule. She came on to my site who Opal happens to write for.

I
made
the
section

Clear?

:) Cheers

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:21

First time I've used it in reference to a female--I usually use it in reference to guys. Maybe your automatic assumption that someone will imply a gender-bias with a statement sheds light on your own gender-bias.

I said it had 'overtones', not that you had a gender-bias.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:23

Look, here is the deal.

In Sandy's signature in the guestbook, she claimed I made an attack on American veterans of war in a post on these forums. I believe in freedom of speech, so I don't want to delete her signature in the guestbook, but I also believe in the right of one to defend themself. I'd like Sandy to show me this thread that I made an attack on American veterans so that I can either explain my post or apologize for it. You really think people want to pay much attention to a website that attacks American veterans? I know I wouldn't pay much attention to it.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:23

Also, whether you'd like to admit it or not, that section will be fun to read once I get some more posts in there. It's my job to entertain you and myself in that site while putting across a serious message (in some of the things), so I'll latch on to a small, meaningless post (you know how many posts I've deleted from the guestbook that were stupid and didn't say a word? It's not that I'm up in a hizzy about it--I just needed something to write about) and made it into a fiasco--and trust me, it has worked because look at its effect coupled with Opal's innocent posts (he didn't even know about my Sandy-bashing until after it was posted on the site).

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:26

And even if the Ridicule wasn't on the site, I'd still like to talk to Sandy to figure out what she is talking about. As far as I can tell, her statements are purely baseless...so I think we may be removing her comment from the guestbook and putting it only in the ridicule section. We're giving her an oppurtunity to keep her comment in the guestbook.

Can you contact that person["Sandy"]? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:27

virtual metaphorical violence against women

That's the part before the overtones. I believe it makes a statement that I am making metaphorical statements suggesting violence against her because she's female. I live in Arkansas, and rule of the rectal rape is law, so neither man nor woman is safe from our pungent justice.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:28

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:31

That's the part before the overtones. I believe it makes a statement that I am making metaphorical statements suggesting violence against her because she's female. I live in Arkansas, and rule of the rectal rape is law, so neither man nor woman is safe from our pungent justice.

Ah, so virtual metaphorical violence against men justifies virtual metaphorical violence against women. You admit then that your post was an example of virtual metaphorical violence against a (presumed) woman, then, and as such it fits into the wider category of virtual metaphorical violence against women of which I spoke. Wherein was my gender bias?

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:34

Okay, to get this thread back on topic...

The fact that half of the things that Sandy said are completely wrong and the other half are wrong andbaseless is not even what I'm mad about and/or complaing about. I would just like to contact her to see if I am wrong about her baselessness. Sandy, if you're lucky, you might end up with a flash in honor of you on our website. Thanks for all the content.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:36

Ah, so virtual metaphorical violence against men justifies virtual metaphorical violence against women. You admit then that your post was an example of virtual metaphorical violence against a (presumed) woman, then, and as such it fits into the wider category of virtual metaphorical violence against women of which I spoke. Wherein was my gender bias?
Do you know what you're talking about? If I said something about shooting a guy in the head, would that be gender-bias? Sanct argued that gender had nothing to do with it (as he didn't even specify a gender in his post), so please, take down the feminazi flag. Now!

http://maddox.xmission.com/feminazi.jpg
http://maddox.xmission.com/feminazi.html

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:37

Ah, so virtual metaphorical violence against men justifies virtual metaphorical violence against women. You admit then that your post was an example of virtual metaphorical violence against a (presumed) woman, then, and as such it fits into the wider category of virtual metaphorical violence against women of which I spoke. Wherein was my gender bias?

It lies in the depth of your heart which is as black as the heart of the African jungle.

Besides that, I suggested rape against a dumbass--not a woman. You are such a sexist! You are saying that just because she's a dumbass I have to say she's a woman. Women have minds too! Just because you're jealous of the rest of your gender doesn't mean you can belittle them by saying they're stupid; I have a strong belief that women and men can be equals in our society, and I hope you'll share that view one day.

Credits:

This post was sprayed with a healthy dose of Spin in a Can compliments of O'Reily Co.

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:39

Sanct argued that gender had nothing to do with it (as he didn't even specify a gender in his post), so please, take down the feminazi flag. Now...

IIRC it was SP that claimed I had a gender-bias.

Maybe your automatic assumption that someone will imply a gender-bias with a statement sheds light on your own gender-bias

Did I claim anywhere that either SP or yourself had one?

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:41

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:41

Women have minds too! Just because you're jealous of the rest of your gender doesn't mean you can belittle them by saying they're stupid; I have a strong belief that women and men can be equals in our society, and I hope you'll share that view one day.

Do me a favour, sweetie, run over the evidence that leads you to believe that I am a member of the female gender for me again, would you?

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:42

By the way--you guys don't really care. You're just interested in seeing your own posts and adding to your post count.

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:42

Does imply count as claim?

Does inference require implication?

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:42

Did I claim anywhere that either SP or yourself had one?

You didn't claim--you stated that I made a statement which shows obvious bias against women.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:42

Do me a favour, sweetie, run over the evidence that leads you to believe that I am a member of the female gender for me again, would you?
"Location: Another Girl, Another Planet..."

And the fact that you use words like "sweetie"

And none of this changes your gender-bias.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:43

Does inference require implication?
Usually.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:45

Do me a favour, sweetie, run over the evidence that leads you to believe that I am a member of the female gender for me again, would you?

Under your name: Cabbage Patch Girl

Location: Another Girl, Another Planet

You didn't claim that you were not female when OI posted that you three were female--you've also told me that you're female in my other thread.

It's runt.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:46

Under your name: Cabbage Patch Girl

Location: Another Girl, Another Planet

You didn't claim that you were not female when OI posted that you three were female--you've also told me that you're female in my other thread.

It's runt.
Those are all good reasons (plus the awesome one I mentioned), however "Cabbage Patch Girl" is not a good reason. She doesn't have control over her forum title.

Can you contact that person["Sandy"]? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 03:46

By the way--you guys don't really care. You're just interested in seeing your own posts and adding to your post count.

whereas you care deeply about a slight from an annonymous websurfer, posted on another website, which insulted a site you don't run. hard to say who the most pathetic chappie around here is, really :).

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:48

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:48

whereas you care deeply about a slight from an annonymous websurfer, posted on another website, which insulted a site you don't run. hard to say who the most pathetic chappie around here is, really :).
A website that I work for and a websurfer who attacked me--pretty damn good reason to care I'd say, but thanks for admitting that you don't care and are only attempting to hijack this thread.

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:49

You didn't claim that you were not female when OI posted that you three were female--you've also told me that you're female in my other thread.

If you would be so kind as to direct me that other thread, please.

Bottle

12-08-2004, 03:49

but thanks for admitting that you don't care and are only attempting to hijack this thread.
oh, i'm sorry, i didn't realize that needed revealing. i thought my lack of emotional investment in your plight was made clear from the beginning, sorry for inadvertantly deceiving you.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:51

If you would be so kind as to direct me that other thread, please.

http://life.short.be

I don't know the thread, but I remember you or someone making the statement that you were female directly to me.

If you're not female, why not just say it? Shouldn't be that hard.

Bodies Without Organs

12-08-2004, 03:54

I don't know the thread, but I remember you or someone making the statement that you were female directly to me.

If you're not female, why not just say it? Shouldn't be that hard.

Nah. In neither the Michael Moore nor the Honest Observation thread did I make that statement.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:54

So why are we still talking on here? None of us are Sandy, and none of us know who Sandy is. We've got to the point where we're completely off topic and in a stupid topic to begin with. Gender doesn't matter--Sandy could be transgendered for all I care.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 03:56

Nah. In neither the Michael Moore nor the Honest Observation thread did I make that statement.

Sorry then, but someone else told me. It could be their gender-bias that only a woman would act in such a way, so they told me you were female?

Are you? Just say it unless you're purposely trying to knock us off topic--if you don't say it, I suggest everyone else just drops the subject and goes on.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 03:57

Nah. In neither the Michael Moore nor the Honest Observation thread did I make that statement.
The comment in your Location and your word choice alone is enough to call you female.

Sanctimonious Piety

12-08-2004, 04:07

We win.

Opal Isle

12-08-2004, 04:09

Can you contact that person["Sandy"]? They obviously weren't right on the nose as I am not Nelson and Nelson is not I. I would very much like to straighten this out. Additionally, can you point me to the post on these forums that Sandy has complained about in her guestbooks signing? If so, I would very much like to see that post so I could explain or apologize. If you don't know what post (s)he is talking about, you are agreeing with out looking at both sides of the argument (which was the primary hypocritical argument of Sandy's comment...). If the answer to this short paragraph can be summarized as "No," then this probably doesn't concern you.
That is the topic.

Suicidal Librarians

12-08-2004, 17:10

I made the section!

Crickey--I'm the one who made the section. I'm the one who typed up the ridicule. She came on to my site who Opal happens to write for.

I
made
the
section

Clear?

:) Cheers

Touchy, touchy....

Daroth

12-08-2004, 17:25

Show me where the website says that "Opal Isle is Nelson, the owner and operator of http://life.short.be/" or show me where in my sig it says I do more than just develop content and I will stop arguing with you.

I think the reason for hte confusion is that you said you'd received this in the guestbook, and are informing us through a thread. At the end of the article it says , Love Nelson.

Opal Isle

13-08-2004, 00:35

I think the reason for hte confusion is that you said you'd received this in the guestbook, and are informing us through a thread. At the end of the article it says , Love Nelson.
1) I explained why I am using this thread. Read post one.
2) What article?
3) Where in the website does it say who is who and who isn't who?
4) Assumptions = bad.
5) This is all off topic.
6) Has anyone seen Sandy?
7) In the 6 hours this was at the top of the thread the day before, our website got 100 hits from new IPs plus like 250ish overall hits. Not bad for a website that's not quite a month old yet...Thanks for keeping our URL bumped you hijackers...

Deltaepsilon

30-08-2004, 09:31

Well, here's something back on topic: I didn't know anything about Sandy until she posted on my site, and my site is made to make fun of people, events, places, etc, so why were people whining that she got reemed?

ugh. You and Opal are some of the most ego-centric and self involved people I have ever chanced to meet. You are sanctimonious and unjustifiably self righteous.

You reemed Sandy on your site(and this is a plural you, so don't respond with some crap about people not being able to tell the two of you apart; it's a minor detail, and nobody really cares). The rant where you reemed Sandy was dedicated to whining about her/him reeming you in a guestbook where you have invited people to post, and thereby relinquished control of the content.(you did the same thing by starting this thread, by the way, so stop whining about thread hijacking when the responses have been fairly on topic.) You are hypocritical, mean-spirited, self serving, childish, oversensitive, and to whichever one of you this applies, not possessed of any paricular persuasive or even mildly comedic writing ability whatsoever.

You is not a plural word.

Um, it most definitely can be.

7) In the 6 hours this was at the top of the thread the day before, our website got 100 hits from new IPs plus like 250ish overall hits. Not bad for a website that's not quite a month old yet...Thanks for keeping our URL bumped you hijackers...

So do you get some bizarre satisfaction that people dislike you enough to visit your site/the site you write for to aquire more material on you to flame? If so, your welcome.

Tuesday Heights

30-08-2004, 12:01

Bottle

30-08-2004, 14:03

and to whichever one of you this applies, not possessed of any paricular persuasive or even mildly comedic writing ability whatsoever.

isn't it cute when chumps try to hero-worship maddox x mission by thinking they can emulate his style, and fall flat on their faces because they are totally unable to do so with anything approaching wit?

Opal Isle

30-08-2004, 14:03

So, you want to bitch and moan about this "Sandy" girl because she comforted your way of debate and what-not? That's immature, childish, and I hope the mods lock this and warn you for bringing this crap to the NS forums.
Actually, I bitch because she came and posted in a way that we had no way of contacting her back and she refuses to use the forums or the email addresses (or hell, even our IM screen names we made available), but if you would notice, this thread was at like the bottom of the pile until someone else bumped it up. If the mods lock it, it's because everyone on these forums keep wanting to get in their two cents....not because I keep bumping it up.

By the way, I also was trying to find Sandy so she could point out where exactly it was that I attacked an American veteran, because that's not something I do, despite her claim.

Tuesday Heights

30-08-2004, 14:15

The only reason you created this thread is because you are upset that someone criticized you and to plug your web site.

Anyone who has a 4000+ post count in three months time usually is a source of much controversy and much egotism. That's all your web site is to me, and to many others, and by having a web site, you're inviting many people to come back, attack you, and that be the end of it.

So, tough luck; Sandy isn't going to reveal herself. You're SOL. Move on. Deal.

I have my own web site, and web log, where I am continually attacked for being an open homosexual, for being fat, ugly, you name it, and guess what? I just go on.

NationStates isn't life. Get used to it.

Dalekia

30-08-2004, 14:34

Bottle

30-08-2004, 14:45

This is all good marketing, and it isn't costing Nelson or Nicky anything. I read in the second or third page that the site had been getting a lot of hits, which shows how effective this was. I don't really think Opal Isle really wants to even find Sandy. In fact, they could even have invented Sandy in the first place to create controversy. Nothing beats controversy in marketing.
i agree that would be a killer strategy. however, nothing about their writing on that site (or around here) leads me to grant Evil Genius status to these fellows...i'd say this case is more like when a mentally disadvantaged wannabe pundit trips over his own massive ego and lands with his nose an inch from a $20 bill. they struck oil whilst digging a latrine pit, as it were.

Academos

30-08-2004, 21:31

i agree that would be a killer strategy. however, nothing about their writing on that site (or around here) leads me to grant Evil Genius status to these fellows...i'd say this case is more like when a mentally disadvantaged wannabe pundit trips over his own massive ego and lands with his nose an inch from a $20 bill. they struck oil whilst digging a latrine pit, as it were.
Kind of reminds me of the Beverly Hillbillies...and everything worked out for them, eh?

Bottle

30-08-2004, 21:34

Kind of reminds me of the Beverly Hillbillies...and everything worked out for them, eh?
i was envisioning more along the lines of Scooby and Scrappy, but the Hillbillies are a good example, too.

Academos

30-08-2004, 21:36

I don't think that website has been updated in quite a while. Did you read he main thing on the very first page about the one guy being gone because he's moving into an apartment or whatever?

Academos

30-08-2004, 21:37

Also if you'll noticed, before DeltaEpsilon bumped this thread back up, it had been like 3 weeks since OI or SP posted anything.

Bottle

30-08-2004, 21:38

I don't think that website has been updated in quite a while. Did you read he main thing on the very first page about the one guy being gone because he's moving into an apartment or whatever?
didn't see that, but it doesn't surprise me. most people who take this sort of attitude toward their webpages lose interest pretty quickly once nobody is telling them to stop...it's a typically adolescent position, much like the kids who drink beer just because their mom tells them beer is a no-no.

Bottle

30-08-2004, 21:39

Also if you'll noticed, before DeltaEpsilon bumped this thread back up, it had been like 3 weeks since OI or SP posted anything.
and here we go, scaring up the old fight again :). wheeee!

Academos

30-08-2004, 21:40

didn't see that, but it doesn't surprise me. most people who take this sort of attitude toward their webpages lose interest pretty quickly once nobody is telling them to stop...it's a typically adolescent position, much like the kids who drink beer just because their mom tells them beer is a no-no.
You're implying that they've stopped updating because the controversy died? Interesting...

Kahta

30-08-2004, 21:40

OI, the immaturity you show on your website is exactly why I have you on ignore.

Academos

30-08-2004, 21:42

OI, the immaturity you show on your website is exactly why I have you on ignore.
Wow, you're ignoring a person here because you don't like the content on his website? Why don't you just not visit his website and then only put him on ignore if he bothers you on these forums? (Note: I'm trying to take a realistic standpoint and look at both sides, some points brought up by both sides seem like good points if you consider both sides realisticly)

Bottle

30-08-2004, 21:45

You're implying that they've stopped updating because the controversy died? Interesting...
not necessarily. i can't pretend to really understand the mindset of these chappies, since they are quite a different breed than i. however, the theory i proposed seems fairly likely to me, given the evidence we have accumulated about the personalities and maturity level of the authors in question. there could easily be other, more cheerful explanations, perhaps involving some sort of evil robot army of doom.

Academos

30-08-2004, 21:48

There are tons of possible explanations, but you can't automatically rule out the explanation proposed on the website. That's irrational. Maybe there is some more information in their forums?

Academos

30-08-2004, 21:53

It appears from reading the forum that the story presented on the front page holds pretty true. There are quite a few hints to it too. (Of course, it all could be a ploy too, but....) The poster Nelson Manning has quite a few posts, but they drop off, he also has a post that ends with "PS. I'm back" from sometime recently (it's at the top of the forum under the "General section"). There is also a post by another poster saying that the miss "Nelson" and that he needs to get back, etcetera. So this is either a really good act, or he really is gone, but back now (as a recent post suggests) and we might can expect some updates, etcetera. If nothing has been done in about a week, they probably just gave up.

Bottle

30-08-2004, 22:00

There are tons of possible explanations, but you can't automatically rule out the explanation proposed on the website. That's irrational. Maybe there is some more information in their forums?
sorry if i wasn't clear:

i actually think they may have originally gone on hiatus for the reason they posted. in part i'm just being silly as i tease them, though i do think that they are motivated in large part by the sort of attitudes i described before.

the reason i question them at all is that i recently moved into a new apartment, in a new city, with a new school, new job, no familiar people around, not even a stick of furniture to my name, starting totally from scratch, and my own blog was updated within a couple days. if you are really interested in what you post, or if you really have fun writing and working on your website, then a move will not delay you for long.

if somebody posts on their website because it pleases THEM, then they tend to keep it up much more consistently and they tend to not let things like a move get in their way. if, on the other hand, somebody is posting for attention or for show, essentially posting for other people, they are less likely to stick with it during rough or inconvenient spots in their life. just a general observation; i don't pretend to know what lurks in the minds of bloggers everywhere.

Academos

30-08-2004, 22:03

Well there may or may not be an explanation for the extended delay. We'll just have to see...

Bottle

30-08-2004, 22:05

Well there may or may not be an explanation for the extended delay. We'll just have to see...
i know that i for one will be on the edge of my seat!

Academos

30-08-2004, 22:10

Although, thinking about OI getting mad at this "Sandy" character...

Everyone who doesn't like the website or OI or whatever is saying OI just can't take insults, and that may be part of it, but nonetheless OI does bring up valid points. Sandy claimed OI attacked an American veteran on this forum, but (s)he does not provide a link to the thread, the post, or even a poster name for the victim of OI's attack so there is no way for OI to even go about righting his wrong. Additionally, Sandy criticizes the website for not looking at both sides of an issue...there is of course bias in a lot of the articles and rants and such, but if you look a little more carefully, it appears as if both sides of the issue were looked at. Take for example this conversation that was posted at the website:
Chick#1: Lol, which one of Bill's friends is this? If you want to talk we Will, but I am sure he is over exagerating. Sorry if you've been offended. ttyl

Nick: Just explain your point of view on the movie to me.

Chick#1: Just tell me who you are.

Nick: You don't know me so it really doesn't matter.

Chick#1: I'm sure I would recognize your name if you told me . . . .

Nick: It won't change either of ours opinion on the movie nor our credibility.

Chick#1: The point is thatmany people don't see the war in Iraq with blind eyes. I don't really care if Bill sees the movie or not, I just want him to have a educated vote and he hasn't seemed to do much researching on the presidential choices. It would be a step, biased or not. At least there is truth behind it all.

Nick: The proper suggestion then would have been to tell him to watch Cable News.

Chick#1: Now that that is out . . . please tell me who you are.

Chick#1: That works too. Listen, Bill and I used to date, I know him VERY well, he said he liked Bowling for Cloumbine, I LOVED F 9/11 so I thought he'd find it interesting too. I really don't know why this is such a big deal.

Nick: I know. I know. He'd probably find it interesting. Have information from one biased source is worse then having no information at all.

Chick#1: Well, then he should do some reseaching. He knows F 9/11 Will be biased so he can keep that in mind. All sources are biased some way or another. The point is, every single point made in that film is true and personally, I'd rather Bill not vote Bush. It'd just be nice if he'd look into any information period. I'll brb.

Nick: And after talking to me last night, he took a poll, which informed him as to where he stands on a left/right scale

Nick: Which is important to know.

Nick: And I told him about the network news stations and which ones have the best info and which are slanted which way.

Chick#1: Good. That is nice to know. That's really all. I just want him to be informed.

Chick#1: So who are you? Lol, Nick? Eden? Nattan?

Chick#1: Please . . . .

Chick#1: You know who I am . . . it is only fair.

Nick: The smartest of all the people Bill knows from school.

Chick#1: OMG, you sound cocky so you must be Nick.

Chick#1: You can tell me . . . I Will just call him and ask if you don't.

Nick: You know...speaking of things being true about people...

Nick: It is also true that Kerry "flip-flops" on issues.

Chick#1: lol, go for it

Chick#1: I agree with you

Chick#1: I totally do.

Nick: Then defend his flip-floppery.

Chick#1: Still, I agree more with Kerry than I do Bush. I think you're Nick. Lol, aren't you going to U of A?

Chick#1: I won't defend it. I agree. . . he flip-flops. The point is he isn't going to go into war without justified reasoning. He did state that numerously.

Chick#1: Don't worry about changing my voting opinion, lol, unfortunately, I can't vote so what you believe counts more than what I do.

Nick: You're that far to the left and can't defend the flip-floppery? Not even with Democratic rhetoric?

Chick#1: I'm very very liberal . . . all except for the abortion issue. I do not agree with war almost under any circumstances. I am totally for gay marriage and on and on. Kerry, who is considered totally liberal, is too war oriented for me. Personally, I much perfer Nadar's views, but unfortunately he won't be elected and probably wouldn't make a good president.

Nick: And?

Chick#1: IN other words, no, I won't defend Kerry.

Nick: Kerry, by the way, isn't for gay marriage.

Chick#1: I can, however, tell you that Bush is doing a very sucky job.

Chick#1: I know this . . . once again, I don't agree with many of Kerry's views.

Chick#1: He isn't against it either though.

Nick: Yes he is

Chick#1: Yeah, I guess. That came out wrong and I realized it after I said that.

Nick: Personally, he is against it; politically he wants the states to decide.

Chick#1: He is for the tradition man and woman thing. Yes, that's correct.

Chick#1: AAARRRRGGGHHH! I hate politics! I really do. I just don't want the nation lead my Bush.

Chick#1: by*

Nick: If you hate politics, you probably shouldn't go around suggesting where people should or should not get their information from.

Nick: If all else fails, tell them they should get informed then send them to me.

Chick#1: Sorry d/c what was the last thing I said? Was it my bad grammar? led* by*

Nick:

Chick#1: by*

Nick: If you hate politics, you probably shouldn't go around suggesting where people should or should not get their information from.

Nick: If all else fails, tell them they should get informed then send them to me.

Chick#1: Oh my God.

Chick#1: Until you are decent enough to tell me who I am talking to there is no need for this conversation to continue. I won't send people to some weirdo who goes around picking politic arguments with people. One who won't even tell them his name.

Nick: If I was as far left as you, you probably wouldn't have the same reaction...however you don't know where I stand on the political spectrum...

Chick#1: You are correct. I don't even know who the hell you are.

Nick: But you disagree with the thought of critical thinking...did you go to AGS? I mean, really...did you seriously go?

Chick#1: No, I totally agree with critical thinking. I am glad you are doing such a good job at looking at both sides. If I was a good AGS student, I'd probably have fun adn defend the side which I am not, lol, that's what Elrod told me to have fun with. The reason I'm being bitching is not because your political views are offending me, but because you won't even tell me who you are.

Chick#1: Yes, AGS was the best time of my life. I wouldn't trade it for the world. And by the way, my favorite Area was Area II.

Chick#1: I loved the whole critical thinking thing.

Nick: My political views probably don't offend you, but my method of going about thinking about politics offends you.

Chick#1: It does not. Your method of deciding to get my IM name from Bill, not tell me who you are, and start chatting with me bugs me. I admire you for your politcal thought methods. And I am also glad that you are encouraging Bill to read from some non-biased sources.

Chick#1: I guess I did go a little over with the whole F 9/11 thing. I just found it amusing.

Nick: 1) Knowing who I am might influence this conversation more than it should. It is unimportant. It would have no bearing on the conversation. If you want to bitch about me to Bill, tell him my screen name, he knows who Nick is.

Nick: 2) You just said there are no non-biased sources and now you are saying there are some.

Nick: 3) I didn't find F9/11 amusing.

Nick: (on the whole, that is)

Chick#1: Not on whole, I agree. The last shot was harlious. I also found it depressing and cried. It is sad what our country is putting other countries through. I don't believe one source can be completely unbiased, the media is like that. However, there are DEFINATELY less biased sources than Michael Moore!

Nick: definitely.

Nick: You can make a better decision on who should be president without watching Michael Moore.

Nick: It's propaganda.

Nick: I don't care if 100% of it is fact.

Nick: It's not all of the fact.

Chick#1: I do agree. Propaganda for sure. He is only showing his side. He knows this and he Will tell any of his viewers that ask that he wants Bush out of the office.

Nick: Then if you agree that it is nothing but pure propaganda, then I don't see how you deem it to be so important of a movie.

Nick: It's actually causing people to make less educated decisions.

Chick#1: He was his way of making a stand and expressing what he believes in. I was glad I saw it and I found it better than many of the shitty movies I've watched in my life.

Nick: If you want to watch a good movie, watch Orange County. If you want good information on who to vote for, watch the news.

Chick#1: Thanks for the advice, however, I do watch the news everyday

Nick: Well, that's good for you. Now I have to go work.

Nick (who appears to be one of the regular contibutors to the website) takes what I would call a pretty valid viewpoint and makes good points as to the quality of Farenheit 9/11. A good reason that this is evidence of looking at both sides of the issue is that if you read this conversation, Nick clearly recognizes F9/11 as propagandistic, but if you look in the "News" section (which is done by Nick as it states at the top of that page), there is an obviously left bias.

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