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European, American, Who cares?!

Loveliness and hope2
11-08-2004, 22:23
Is anyone else fed up with the petty name calling and dumb remarks being made by everyone. Can we just have a thread in which no one mentions their nationality or the fact that they hate other nationalities.

If it just becomes boring we can forget that this thread ever existed. . . .

. . . And then go bow our heads in shame that we cannot talk without exchanging insults.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 22:26
I'm an american and I hate the french.

I'm proud of who and what I am and I use it as a basis for making my arguments and statements. To not use something as base as that would be to weaken your stance in most discussions.
Zincite
11-08-2004, 22:27
I'm an American and I love the French!!
Loveliness and hope2
11-08-2004, 22:29
I'm an American and I love the French!!

Thank you! a positive statement
Loveliness and hope2
11-08-2004, 22:31
I'm an american and I hate the french.

I'm proud of who and what I am and I use it as a basis for making my arguments and statements. To not use something as base as that would be to weaken your stance in most discussions.

So why do you have to mention that you hate the French? All I'm asking is to have a discussion that doesn't end up with petty insults and pathetic points. I'm not saying you shouldn't be proud of who you are, I just think you should let other people be proud of who they are. Thats not wrong whoever you are
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 22:35
So why do you have to mention that you hate the French? All I'm asking is to have a discussion that doesn't end up with petty insults and pathetic points. I'm not saying you shouldn't be proud of who you are, I just think you should let other people be proud of who they are. Thats not wrong whoever you are

How about I resent you placing limitations on where the conversation should go? Is that better than my feelings for the french?

It's a dumbass idea to say: Let's have a conversation where everything is happy even if a politically charged topic is brought up. You can't fricking expect people to be all kinds of pleasant if you don't state a damn topic. It doesn't work that way. It probably doesn't work if you DO state a topic either. If the topic were about "little kittens and why we love them" I'd still be apt to write that one of my reasons was that they punt over fences like nothing else this side of a hampster in a potatoe cannon.
Real Freedonia
11-08-2004, 22:37
I'm an american and I hate the french.

Ahem, have you ever thinked that the Statue of Liberty is french?
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 22:43
Ahem, have you ever thinked that the Statue of Liberty is french?

*the word you're looking for is 'thought'

Yes, and I suppose that simply because the French gave us the statue of liberty I'm summarily required to love them, inspite of their economic practices, misuse of their power as an overly important member of the U.N. and the way they created a mess in Vietnam and cried for American support citing an old and idiotic treaty with us resulting in dividing the country and claiming an entire generation from us?

Oh yeah, forget all that. They gave us a statue! YAY, love the french!

Stop being an idiot and think about what you write. One action by any one entity does not make it purely good or purely evil. One action by one country long ago doesn't make up for the last century of getting into trouble and calling on Americans to die for them.
Borgoa
11-08-2004, 22:48
*the word you're looking for is 'thought'



I really do dislike the way some native English-speakers on here try to break other peoples' arguments down by critisising their spelling and grammer.
Don't forget, we don't all have English as our mother tongue! And I think most of us who do not make a very good job of putting our arguments, whatever they may be, in the English-language. Real Freedonia's post could hardly be considered incomprehensible!
Kerubia
11-08-2004, 22:49
I'm an american and I hate the french.

I'm proud of who and what I am and I use it as a basis for making my arguments and statements. To not use something as base as that would be to weaken your stance in most discussions.

The correct way to convey your feelings would be as follows:

"I'm an American, and I hate the French government."

Automatically hating the French people makes you a . . . well I'll get banned if I say it.

So hate the government all you want, but you're crossing a terrible threshold by claiming that you hate the people. Be sure to include that it's the government you hate, not the people, which is what I think you were trying to say all along.
Borgoa
11-08-2004, 22:54
I'm an american and I hate the french.

I'm proud of who and what I am and I use it as a basis for making my arguments and statements. To not use something as base as that would be to weaken your stance in most discussions.

On what basis do you hate the French?
Is it because you are scared of democracy, and are intimidated by the fact the French spoke up for their beliefs against the "allmighty" USA?
You should respect France for being an honest and frank ally, and telling the truth clearly. Many other European and other governments were against the war, but they have not been singled out for this severe hatred from some sectors of America.
Please do not come back with the "French were looking after their trading interests in Iraq", it's simply hypocritical and overlooks that fact that Paris was just following the wishes of its people who were 90%+ against the war.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 22:55
The correct way to convey your feelings would be as follows:

"I'm an American, and I hate the French government."

Automatically hating the French people makes you a . . . well I'll get banned if I say it.

So hate the government all you want, but you're crossing a terrible threshold by claiming that you hate the people. Be sure to include that it's the government you hate, not the people, which is what I think you were trying to say all along.


Actually, an interesting tenet of free speech is that I can say all the following things:

I hate black people
I hate white people
I hate chinese
I hate japanese
I hate south africans
I hate mexicans
I hate jamaicans
I hate cadadians
I hate low income families
I hate lawyers

..all without imposing on another persons civil liberties. It's actually a favor because I just gave a person reading my posts more information about me and they can then deal with me accordingly. I'm not making disparaging remarks about any group here, just stating views were I to claim the statements above and any others. If Nation States banned me for stating something about myself then, well, I wouldn't want to frequent this place anyway if that was the case.

As for correcting your grammar, please notice the seperation between my criticism and the correction. I'm happy you're learning english and really do appreciate it but if you're going to learn it then allow people to correct your mistakes. I spend 8 hours a day 5 days a week learning chinese from native chinese speakers. You don't get better unless you learn from mistakes.
Real Freedonia
11-08-2004, 22:56
*the word you're looking for is 'thought'

Yes, and I suppose that simply because the French gave us the statue of liberty I'm summarily required to love them, inspite of their economic practices, misuse of their power as an overly important member of the U.N. and the way they created a mess in Vietnam and cried for American support citing an old and idiotic treaty with us resulting in dividing the country and claiming an entire generation from us?

Oh yeah, forget all that. They gave us a statue! YAY, love the french!

Stop being an idiot and think about what you write. One action by any one entity does not make it purely good or purely evil. One action by one country long ago doesn't make up for the last century of getting into trouble and calling on Americans to die for them.

First, you are a boor, because I haven't insult you. I only think that this is a comical (but also tragical) situation.

For UN, I think that who can't tell about it are the USA, because if you remember they didn't have care about its discussions and... Tadaa... now the whole Islamic world is againts the West (and I didn't want this, but hey, thank USA!), oil is at $45 and every day someone die on Iraq.

Last, you are the live example of the American way: if someone had another idea, he's an idiot! It seems that 3/4 of the western world is composed by idiots!
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 22:58
On what basis do you hate the French?
Is it because you are scared of democracy, and are intimidated by the fact the French spoke up for their beliefs against the "allmighty" USA?
You should respect France for being an honest and frank ally, and telling the truth clearly. Many other European and other governments were against the war, but they have not been singled out for this severe hatred from some sectors of America.
Please do not come back with the "French were looking after their trading interests in Iraq", it's simply hypocritical and overlooks that fact that Paris was just following the wishes of its people who were 90%+ against the war.

Way to not keep reading before you think of something clever that will make me change my mind, admit I'm wrong, and pray to Jesus for forgiveness.
Unfree People
11-08-2004, 23:00
J'adore les francias! Vive la France!!!
Enodscopia
11-08-2004, 23:02
I'm an American and I hate every country other than Britian, Isreal, Austrailia, Italy, and Switzerland. And I especialy hate the UN and the EU.
Borgoa
11-08-2004, 23:03
Way to not keep reading before you think of something clever that will make me change my mind, admit I'm wrong, and pray to Jesus for forgiveness.

I'm not asking you to change your mind, you're clearly not going to. I'm just asking for your reasoning behind your views, which, for me, you still haven't made clear.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:03
First, you are a boor, because I haven't insult you. I only think that this is a comical (but also tragical) situation.

For UN, I think that who can tell about it are the USA, because if you remember they didn't have care about its discussions and... Tadaa... now the whole Islamic world is againts the West (and I didn't want this, but hey, thank USA!), oil is at $45 and every day someone die on Iraq.

Last, you are the live example of the American way: if someone had another idea, he's an idiot! It seems that 3/4 of the western world is composed by idiots!

Sweet, a thread that's become all about me!

First, thank you for using the word 'boor'. I often strive to add that to my daily vernacular but always forget. Now, I'll be honest, I'm having trouble following the rest of what you said. I think I can address the Islamic hatred part by saying:

THE CRUSADES

Incredibly enough, America had no role in those god sent missions of genocide. France did. America has made it's mistakes in the middle east and we're paying for them right now. Not like the vatican, the french, the english (well, maybe the english) most of the rest of christianity.

Before American intervention people were dying everyday in Iraq. I can forgive you not knowing about crusades but c'mon. This is recent history. Saddam, much?

As for the 'idea' thing, that's pretty preposterous. I'm not sure where you got that one from.
Borgoa
11-08-2004, 23:04
I'm an American and I hate every country other than Britian, Isreal, Austrailia, Italy, and Switzerland. And I especialy hate the UN and the EU.

But why? Can you explain? For instance, why don't you like Sweden? I assume you don't, as it's not on your list of non-hated countries.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:07
I'm not asking you to change your mind, you're clearly not going to. I'm just asking for your reasoning behind your views, which, for me, you still haven't made clear.

French hatred:

Vietnam, The Crusades, Inept Military that constantly required American assistance all through the last century, and, yes, I'm none to happy with the economic deals France had on the side with Iraq. France also has an incredible ability to mind it's own human rights violations, namely the current growth of anti-semitic feelings and actions.

That enough?
Borgoa
11-08-2004, 23:09
French hatred:

Vietnam, The Crusades, Inept Military that constantly required American assistance all through the last century, and, yes, I'm none to happy with the economic deals France had on the side with Iraq. France also has an incredible ability to mind it's own human rights violations, namely the current growth of anti-semitic feelings and actions.

That enough?

If that's what you really believe. Unfortunately, you just highlight why so many Europeans view the USA as arrogant and ignorant. Unfortunately, it's clear you will never understand that though. I honestly think it's a shame, I hate to see increasing hatred of the USA growing here, but these kind of statements are the ones that are helping fuel it.
Real Freedonia
11-08-2004, 23:11
Sweet, a thread that's become all about me!

First, thank you for using the word 'boor'. I often strive to add that to my daily vernacular but always forget. Now, I'll be honest, I'm having trouble following the rest of what you said. I think I can address the Islamic hatred part by saying:

THE CRUSADES

Incredibly enough, America had no role in those god sent missions of genocide. France did. America has made it's mistakes in the middle east and we're paying for them right now. Not like the vatican, the french, the english (well, maybe the english) most of the rest of christianity.

Before American intervention people were dying everyday in Iraq. I can forgive you not knowing about crusades but c'mon. This is recent history. Saddam, much?

As for the 'idea' thing, that's pretty preposterous. I'm not sure where you got that one from.

The crusades? But are you joking? Crusades were finished on 1204 an they were againts the Ottomans: Ottoman empire is ended on 1918. So, I think that if you want to tell about Iraq, you must tell on modern days.

If I remember is our national motto "God bless America", not mine. On all european countries nobody use God on politics: what a good thing was the French revolution!

And about human rights: what is Guantanamo? Or the International red cross is a french institution?
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:14
The crusades? But are you joking? Crusades were finished on 1204 an they were againts the Ottomans: Ottoman empire is ended on 1918. So, I think that if you want to tell about Iraq, you must tell on modern days.

If I remember is our national motto "God bless America", not mine. On all european countries nobody use God on politics: what a good thing was the French revolution!


Why do you think the muslim peoples are so disjointed these days? The middle east comprises more than just Iraq, surprisingly enough. Do you really think that the history of the last thousand years has nothing to do with what happens today? And I don't understand your last paragraph, both in meaning and relevance.

The French Revolution was a blood bath.
Borgoa
11-08-2004, 23:18
I understand Real Freedonia completely. The abuses of human rights at Guantanamo Bay that controvene the Geneva Convention and have drawn the unprecedented critisism of the Red Cross do not endear the USA to Arabs or much of the rest of the world.
Nor does the USA's unflinching support of Israel, even when Israel uses the policy of assinations and building an illegal wall on occupied Palastinian territory.
Real Freedonia
11-08-2004, 23:21
Why do you think the muslim peoples are so disjointed these days? The middle east comprises more than just Iraq, surprisingly enough. Do you really think that the history of the last thousand years has nothing to do with what happens today?



Right, but it seems that the extremist speeks are against USA, not the Pope (who didn't like the Iraqi war).


And I don't understand your last paragraph, both in meaning and relevance.

The French Revolution was a blood bath.

What a strange thing! What someone tell about the Guantanamo lager, Americans don't understand! Incredible!

And about la revolution, you think that american patriots had give the retirement to english and french governor when USA were created? I think that you see the world in only a way, and this is very dangerous.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:21
I understand Real Freedonia completely. The abuses of human rights at Guantanamo Bay that controvene the Geneva Convention and have drawn the unprecedented critisism of the Red Cross do not endear the USA to Arabs or much of the rest of the world.
Nor does the USA's unflinching support of Israel, even when Israel uses the policy of assinations and building an illegal wall on occupied Palastinian territory.

Wow, now you guys are playing one of my favorite games. Starting talking about unrelated shit. I'm talking about my hatred of the french here. I'm aware of Americas imperfections and I think Israel is one of the dumbest things we ever did. I spent half an hour reading amnesty internationals report on America.

Are we still talking about the french?
Borgoa
11-08-2004, 23:26
We are multi-tasking!
If one goes by the title of the thread, then we are all off the subject! We are just having a healthy debate, I don't see any problem if it moves into new areas of discussion.
Real Freedonia
11-08-2004, 23:26
Wow, now you guys are playing one of my favorite games. Starting talking about unrelated shit. I'm talking about my hatred of the french here. I'm aware of Americas imperfections and I think Israel is one of the dumbest things we ever did. I spent half an hour reading amnesty internationals report on America.

Are we still talking about the french?

And you mine: changing the discussion when I cann't reply. And imperfection is a great euphemism.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:28
Right, but it seems that the extremist speeks are against USA, not the Pope (who didn't like the Iraqi war).



What a strange thing! What someone tell about the Guantanamo lager, Americans don't understand! Incredible!

And about la revolution, you think that american patriots had give the retirement to english and french governor when USA were created? I think that you see the world in only a way, and this is very dangerous.


The extremist's speak against America because it doesn't make sense to speak out against anyone else. Do you think France, Brittain, Germany, Russia, or anyone else has sway, money, and power like America? Nope. They wouldn't make anysense to attack. I've already said that America is paying for it's licks right now.

I don't understand anything else your wrote, I'm sorry. If you could rephrase it I'd be glad to address it.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:30
And you mine: changing the discussion when I cann't reply. And imperfection is a great euphemism.

Euphemism? No, it's actually the oppisite. A euphemism is when you say something extreme with the intention of it being taken lightly. I'd say what I used was an under-exxageration. I changed the topic?
East Canuck
11-08-2004, 23:33
Actually, an interesting tenet of free speech is that I can say all the following things:

I hate black people
I hate white people
I hate chinese
I hate japanese
I hate south africans
I hate mexicans
I hate jamaicans
I hate cadadians
I hate low income families
I hate lawyers

..all without imposing on another persons civil liberties. It's actually a favor because I just gave a person reading my posts more information about me and they can then deal with me accordingly. I'm not making disparaging remarks about any group here, just stating views were I to claim the statements above and any others. If Nation States banned me for stating something about myself then, well, I wouldn't want to frequent this place anyway if that was the case.
Well we run in a bit of a problem here as this is a forum where free speach is limited.

It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.

What can I post?You can discuss and argue about almost anything, so long as it's vaguely relevant to politics or NationStates and doesn't fall into any of the categories below. You don't have to be politically correct, but you must maintain a minimum standard of behavior.

What can't I post?Any content that is:

obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam

So you have to watch what you say here. You're cutting it mighty close here.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:35
Well we run in a bit of a problem here as this is a forum where free speach is limited.


So you have to watch what you say here. You're cutting it mighty close here.

Good point. Well, if I get kicked out for what I say then I'll know I went too far. Thanks.
Borgoa
11-08-2004, 23:37
The extremist's speak against America because it doesn't make sense to speak out against anyone else. Do you think France, Brittain, Germany, Russia, or anyone else has sway, money, and power like America? Nope. They wouldn't make anysense to attack. I've already said that America is paying for it's licks right now.

I don't understand anything else your wrote, I'm sorry. If you could rephrase it I'd be glad to address it.

That's a strangly arrogant retort.
Do you not think America's slightly dodgy foreign policy of unflinching support for the Israeli's against the Palastinians may have angered Arabs and prompted them to attack the USA?
The problem is, USA does not take stock on the effects its actions have on other people's opinions around the world. You just assume you are always correct. I think that's why some Americans have a problem with France now, as they dared to disagree against the USA. It's the same with the UN, the UN didn't support America, therefore the UN must be wrong. And again, with the environment - eg, the American attitude towards Kyoto.
Yes, the USA is the singularly most powerful nation in the world today and many of its actions are indeed positive. But, that does not give you the right to impose your viewpoint on the world against its wishes. Many Europeans have learnt that attepting to do so is futile from our imperial pasts. Please don't learn the hard way like so many of our countries had to.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:42
That's a strangly arrogant retort.
Do you not think America's slightly dodgy foreign policy of unflinching support for the Israeli's against the Palastinians may have angered Arabs and prompted them to attack the USA?
The problem is, USA does not take stock on the effects its actions have on other people's opinions around the world. You just assume you are always correct. I think that's why some Americans have a problem with France now, as they dared to disagree against the USA. It's the same with the UN, the UN didn't support America, therefore the UN must be wrong. And again, with the environment - eg, the American attitude towards Kyoto.
Yes, the USA is the singularly most powerful nation in the world today and many of its actions are indeed positive. But, that does not give you the right to impose your viewpoint on the world against its wishes. Many Europeans have learnt that attepting to do so is futile from our imperial pasts. Please don't learn the hard way like so many of our countries had to.

Well written but if you'd do the courtesy of reading everything I've said in this thread you will indeed see that I think America has made some dumb mistakes. I'll add a few here though:

Waiting so long to enter ww2
creation of isreal
allowing the supreme court to decide the 2000 election
incompetent intervention in the middle east
forming and abandoning the league of nations (it would have failed anyway)
Bullying other countries in the UN
Allowing the UN to be hosted in America (it really should be on neutral territory)

There's alot more but that should be enough to silence complaints that I worship America and am blind to the voice of other nations.
Borgoa
11-08-2004, 23:54
Well written but if you'd do the courtesy of reading everything I've said in this thread you will indeed see that I think America has made some dumb mistakes. I'll add a few here though:

Waiting so long to enter ww2
creation of isreal
allowing the supreme court to decide the 2000 election
incompetent intervention in the middle east
forming and abandoning the league of nations (it would have failed anyway)
Bullying other countries in the UN
Allowing the UN to be hosted in America (it really should be on neutral territory)

There's alot more but that should be enough to silence complaints that I worship America and am blind to the voice of other nations.

Thank you for saying it was well written, it makes my head hurt trying to find the English words at times! :)

Yes, I did read it, and I grant you, those are fair points. I'm just trying to convey the general impression of arrogance that sometimes American foreign policy generates outside of the USA.

Honestly, I really do wish that the USA would engage more with the UN and the international community. We Europeans really do not hate the USA and we do not want to hate the USA, but your current government makes it hard for us not to hate some of your government's actions. It's really difficult, it's like being punched by your best friend.

I just hope that soon, George Bush Jnr will go and a more internationalist administration will occupy Washington. The sad thing is, I really can't see much change happening whether he stays or goes. The fact is, we see growing right-wing, often fundamentalist Christian, led movements in the USA. And we see channels such as Fox News pumping out one-sided accounts of the news to the American people, and we think to ourselves, with all this going on, how will the USA revert back to its old self?

Anyway, I'm afraid the time is 0.50 here now, so time for me to sleep! It's been an interesting discussion.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:57
See, it turns out that the only mistake made all along was that he thought I was arrogant as an American, and not just arrogant as myself.

I sincerely hope that the current situation in the world will begin to be resolved with a change of leadership this fall but fear it won't be that simple.
Kwangistar
11-08-2004, 23:57
creation of isreal
No, this was done by the UN and specifically at the time (until the 67 war I think) it was France and the UK which were Israel's biggest supporters. Palestine was essentially a chunk of the British Empire in 1945.

allowing the supreme court to decide the 2000 election
And I suppose it should have been solved.... I'm at a loss, maybe you can help me.

Allowing the UN to be hosted in America (it really should be on neutral territory)
What, floating in the middle of the Atlantic?
Nigh Invulnerability
12-08-2004, 00:00
No, this was done by the UN and specifically at the time (until the 67 war I think) it was France and the UK which were Israel's biggest supporters. Palestine was essentially a chunk of the British Empire in 1945.


And I suppose it should have been solved.... I'm at a loss, maybe you can help me.


What, floating in the middle of the Atlantic?

Is that so? I could have sworn everything I've read pointed at America being fundamental in the creation of Isreal. I'll have to check my books.

There should have been a run off election. Or at least they should have scrubbed the damn thing and done it again.

It's not inconcievable that a nation or nations could donate land to be neutral territory for the UN. Think of a situation like the Vatican.
Loveliness and hope2
12-08-2004, 15:46
Ok this thread has not really become what I intended but at least it hasn't descended into name calling quite yet.
Daroth
12-08-2004, 16:22
I really do dislike the way some native English-speakers on here try to break other peoples' arguments down by critisising their spelling and grammer.
Don't forget, we don't all have English as our mother tongue! And I think most of us who do not make a very good job of putting our arguments, whatever they may be, in the English-language. Real Freedonia's post could hardly be considered incomprehensible!

Also as an englishmen, should I criticise people for writing the certain words differently. color or colour.
Daroth
12-08-2004, 16:25
On what basis do you hate the French?
Is it because you are scared of democracy, and are intimidated by the fact the French spoke up for their beliefs against the "allmighty" USA?
You should respect France for being an honest and frank ally, and telling the truth clearly. Many other European and other governments were against the war, but they have not been singled out for this severe hatred from some sectors of America.
Please do not come back with the "French were looking after their trading interests in Iraq", it's simply hypocritical and overlooks that fact that Paris was just following the wishes of its people who were 90%+ against the war.

must admit though chirac was quite petty....
Daroth
12-08-2004, 16:28
I'm an American and I hate every country other than Britian, Isreal, Austrailia, Italy, and Switzerland. And I especialy hate the UN and the EU.

britain and italy are part of the EU.
Daroth
12-08-2004, 16:35
The crusades? But are you joking? Crusades were finished on 1204 an they were againts the Ottomans: Ottoman empire is ended on 1918. So, I think that if you want to tell about Iraq, you must tell on modern days.

If I remember is our national motto "God bless America", not mine. On all european countries nobody use God on politics: what a good thing was the French revolution!

And about human rights: what is Guantanamo? Or the International red cross is a french institution?

Ever hear of christian democrats and such? seems to show religious overtones.
The last crusade ended in 1303. not all the crusades were versus the ottomans. there were other muslim nations at the time.
Daroth
13-08-2004, 13:15
wow dead thread.
The Wrath Of Poseidon
13-08-2004, 13:32
I hate cadadians


Who are these horrible cadadians?

The public has a right to know!

This is known as Murphy's Law of Pedantry - every post correcting someone's grammatical or spelling error will contain at least one grammatical or spelling error.
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 17:11
Groan, ok, which countries (other than your own) do people love?
Chikyota
13-08-2004, 17:13
I don't love countries. I love people. They are what matter, not a large plot of land.
Bobada
13-08-2004, 17:16
Is anyone else fed up with the petty name calling and dumb remarks being made by everyone. Can we just have a thread in which no one mentions their nationality or the fact that they hate other nationalities.

If it just becomes boring we can forget that this thread ever existed. . . .

. . . And then go bow our heads in shame that we cannot talk without exchanging insults.
Typical British! Whine-whine-whi- PUT THE AXE DOWN!! I WAS JOKING!! AAARGGH MY LEG!!!
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 17:16
I don't love countries. I love people. They are what matter, not a large plot of land.

Fair enough, which people do you love? I personally would just like to hear some more positive messages from certain people.
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 17:18
Typical British! Whine-whine-whi- PUT THE AXE DOWN!! I WAS JOKING!! AAARGGH MY LEG!!!

No, more typically English is to be civil and not petty and not so confrontational. (Why an axe??)
Chikyota
13-08-2004, 17:23
Fair enough, which people do you love? I personally would just like to hear some more positive messages from certain people.

Understandable. It doesn't matter where people are from, it is who they are that amtters. I've met some horribly arrogant americans, but i have met plenty that are friendly and helpful. I've met people out here who are also arrogant, and many who aren't either. Really, what it comes down to is who the person is. I've been around, and I've liked far more people than not. The people who randomly help you out when you are down, who are friendly, tolerant of each other, understanding; they're the people I love.
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 17:25
Typical British! Whine-whine-whi- PUT THE AXE DOWN!! I WAS JOKING!! AAARGGH MY LEG!!!

Also, how did you know I was British? I don't think I mentioned it in this thread.
Doctah J
13-08-2004, 17:27
your location says it all
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 17:30
your location says it all

Oh yeah, I'm stupid. I will now go and hit myself over the head.
Helioterra
13-08-2004, 17:34
I'm an American and I hate every country other than Britian, Isreal, Austrailia, Italy, and Switzerland. And I especialy hate the UN and the EU.

Hmm...I've never heard of a country called EU or UN...Every country in your list is a member in UN.

Arrogant American is just a stereotype. Usually stereotypes tell something about people but of course it's stupid to say American=arrogant. All Swedish are gay, French are wine-sipping work-hating winers, Germans are the most boring though beer-loving people in the world and I (Finnish) then have to be a quiet drunken redneck. But oh boy, do I love 'em all!
Nigh Invulnerability
13-08-2004, 17:53
I love Sudan for being the largest and yet most ignored human rights violation example in the last hundred years. The shit they are doing there makes the german concentration camps look like a weekend at the YMCA and yet the world goes on, blissfully unaware.

No, I'm serious. Go outside and ask a person on the street what they think of Sudan right now. It'll make baby jesus cry.
Helioterra
13-08-2004, 18:23
I love Sudan for being the largest and yet most ignored human rights violation example in the last hundred years. The shit they are doing there makes the german concentration camps look like a weekend at the YMCA and yet the world goes on, blissfully unaware.

No, I'm serious. Go outside and ask a person on the street what they think of Sudan right now. It'll make baby jesus cry.

What makes me incredibly angry is that other nations are only now waking up to see what's going on over there and still the situation has been quite the same over 10 years now. And still noone cares enough to do anything.
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 19:01
Hmm...I've never heard of a country called EU or UN...Every country in your list is a member in UN.

Arrogant American is just a stereotype. Usually stereotypes tell something about people but of course it's stupid to say American=arrogant. All Swedish are gay, French are wine-sipping work-hating winers, Germans are the most boring though beer-loving people in the world and I (Finnish) then have to be a quiet drunken redneck. But oh boy, do I love 'em all!

Nice! I suppose I'm rather conservative, prim and proper then.
Helioterra
13-08-2004, 19:18
Nice! I suppose I'm rather conservative, prim and proper then.

Yes, you most certainly are. Hey! You also have the wicked sense of humor!
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 19:21
Yes, you most certainly are. Hey! You also have the wicked sense of humor!

Indeed I do!
Communist Mississippi
13-08-2004, 19:23
Is anyone else fed up with the petty name calling and dumb remarks being made by everyone. Can we just have a thread in which no one mentions their nationality or the fact that they hate other nationalities.

If it just becomes boring we can forget that this thread ever existed. . . .

. . . And then go bow our heads in shame that we cannot talk without exchanging insults.

NO!

I'm an American and I stand for Pan-European unity.
Helioterra
13-08-2004, 19:32
Indeed I do!

suits you sir...
Bunnyducks
13-08-2004, 19:37
I doubt if a "Fast show" quote will cut it if one hasn't seen an episode of it... ;)

AHH! Devon, UK... might just do it...
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 19:38
suits you sir...

Hehem, Thats ma'am actually. But jolly good, rather and all that.
Helioterra
13-08-2004, 19:42
Hehem, Thats ma'am actually. But jolly good, rather and all that.
I thought so, but...That was the first one that came in to my mind...I'll just get my coat (or how it went)
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 19:55
NO!

I'm an American and I stand for Pan-European unity.

Y'know what? I don't care!
Communist Mississippi
13-08-2004, 20:02
Y'know what? I don't care!


You know what? I didn't ask. :D

You know what else? I don't care that you don't care. :D
Loveliness and hope2
13-08-2004, 20:09
You know what? I didn't ask. :D

You know what else? I don't care that you don't care. :D

Well thats ok, cos I don't care that you don't care that I don't care.
Loveliness and hope2
15-08-2004, 13:19
Ok, after that pointless waste of time. . . anyone got anything remotely intelligent to say?
The Island of Rose
15-08-2004, 13:32
I do:

A peace attempt in General Forums is useless, there are so many issues these days it's insane, not to mention the number of radicals also, I find myself the only normal thinking person, laughing at these fights, seriously how different are they?

KERRY SUXORS!!111
NUUUUUUUUUUU BUSH RUUUUUUUUUS!11111111
NUUUUU U STUUPID!!!!!!!111111
Back and forth...

Eh, it's quite amusing... anyway don't waste your time with them, and come to my threads :)
Commie-Pinko Scum
15-08-2004, 14:29
French hatred:

Vietnam, The Crusades, Inept Military that constantly required American assistance all through the last century, and, yes, I'm none to happy with the economic deals France had on the side with Iraq. France also has an incredible ability to mind it's own human rights violations, namely the current growth of anti-semitic feelings and actions.

That enough?

As opposed to the economic deals the saintly United States and Britain had with Saddam Hussein before he became "inconvenient"? The US supplied Saddam Hussein with chemical and biological weapons, knowing that he would use them against Iran during the war they helped along, knowing he would use them against the people he "governed".

Then when they justify a war on the basis of WMD (that havn't been in the country since 1991 according to some reports - and none found so far), citing his use of poison gas in Hallabja and Iran, completely failing to mention they provided these weapons to him.

Damn those French and their shady deals with Saddam!

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg

Right: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.

Most have seen the picture before, just thought I'd show it to anyone else who hasn't seen it...
Almighty Kerenor
15-08-2004, 15:53
Well.
I'm not an American, and I don't care for the French.
Loveliness and hope2
15-08-2004, 22:30
Well.
I'm not an American, and I don't care for the French.

aaaawwwww those poor lil froggy's
Loveliness and hope2
16-08-2004, 14:33
Anyway, when i went to France on an exchange I met some very nice people. Not as nice as the people I met in Germany, but I think thats just cos the germans spoke better english.
Loveliness and hope2
18-08-2004, 21:31
this has become boring.
The Pyrenees
18-08-2004, 21:50
Ahem, have you ever thinked that the Statue of Liberty is french?
And the constitution.... Of course, grammar is English. Thinked?