NationStates Jolt Archive

(seeing as how the thread is locked, thought I'd put this up, maybe the mods can stick it there. Just thought I should do this)

Kid,
I suggest www.tsroadmap.com.

Taking your mom's estrogen probably isn't what you're going to want to be doing. It's not safe, and you probably ought to know what you're getting into.

If you must, It's not about how many pills, it's the dosage.

If they're birth control pills, don't even bother, there's not enough estrogen in there to do anything for you.

If they're for menopausal stuff, then you need to know what kind they are and what the dosage is, ...six of any of them is probably way too much for safety.

You really need to educate yourself before you go doing anything *like* that, though, a transsexual's life is *not* an easy one, as evidenced by the way you were treated on that thread. And a lot of things you may not have forseen.

It's definitely not 'just for a day,' it's certainly not like someone waved a magic wand ...and the only sane reason to do it is if you can't live any *other* way. If you're serious, you ought to do some networking, and then, probably, get some professional help. Play it smart. If you do end up wanting to fix the body, you're going to need to have money, a place to be, and some support in place.

Be careful. And educate yourself before you go messing with your body.

Or see a doctor and a psychiatrist. Preferably one that knows what he is doing.

Stop trying to convert confused young kids to your cult for Moloch!

I think a lot of the reaction was because of disbelief that someone could act that way (not the transsexual but just trying to take magic pills and become a woman) and with the restart of the EXACT same thread it really does seem rather troll like

If it is truth to his/her statement then I wish him or her the best of luck for themselves … and to try not to seem so “troll like” State your opinion in the best possible way you can and hopefully others share your views

I advise counceling. Not trying to make fun of you or troll or nothing, seriously, get counceling.

Stop trying to convert confused young kids to your cult for Moloch!
Go away CM.

Thank you Kinsella, your an absolute angel.

Go away CM.



You first, you take a long walk off a short pier, I'll consider joining you for the walk, but you go first to test the water for sharks and mines.

You first, you take a long walk off a short pier, I'll consider joining you for the walk, but you go first to test the water for sharks and mines.
Witty CM. Why hasn't Myrth banned you yet?

You first, you take a long walk off a short pier, I'll consider joining you for the walk, but you go first to test the water for sharks and mines.

You know, Communist Mississippi, you are coming off as a SERIOUS bigot to me. From your opinions on black people, to the genderqueer, you do nothing but condemn and condemn. I mean, seriously, how can such a person be allowed to rack up so many hateful post and not be even warned!?

Guys, I'm not trying to troll, I've just known a *lot* of trannies and happen to have seen someone talking about doing something that could make her really sick.

What would *you* do?

You know, Communist Mississippi, you are coming off as a SERIOUS bigot to me. From your opinions on black people, to the genderqueer, you do nothing but condemn and condemn. I mean, seriously, how can such a person be allowed to rack up so many hateful post and not be even warned!?


I've never said anything negative about blacks. Indeed I was the one who said offensive jokes of all sorts should be banned.

OMFG this is the most hilarious thing that i have ever seen on the internet

i hope that in some small way i am a part of this fiasco

Guys, I'm not trying to troll, I've just known a *lot* of trannies and happen to have seen someone talking about doing something that could make her really sick.

What would *you* do?
Go and see a doctor/psychiatrist. Worst comes to worst, they can advise you on the course of action to take so you don't do anything too bad to your body.

Is transsexuality natural? Somehow I'm thinking not. Homosexuality is, in that there are homosexual chimps and other animals. But I've never read about animals going into hormone treatment because they didn't feel like the right gender...

Is transsexuality natural? Somehow I'm thinking not. Homosexuality is, in that there are homosexual chimps and other animals. But I've never read about animals going into hormone treatment because they didn't feel like the right gender...

Its because identity is a compleatly ego and human thing.

We each cannot simply accept what we are, but we need to define ourselves as something. This need can mix with a troubled, confused or repressed psyche and voila, transsexual.

Is transsexuality natural? Somehow I'm thinking not. Homosexuality is, in that there are homosexual chimps and other animals. But I've never read about animals going into hormone treatment because they didn't feel like the right gender...

Yea, there are male chimpanzees who attempt to live-out female gender roles (nursing young, ect.).

I think there's some legitimate room to debate the psychology of those beleiving themselves to be transgendered.

I agree entirely that first and foremost, the health of the individual must be the priority.

Having said that, there is no reason to dismiss counselling and cognitive-behavioral therapy as a first course of action.

Transexuality is horrible - I have no problem with homosexuals, that is thier choice. But Transexuals are disgusting - it is a problem with the brain, scientists have worked out that the lower area of the brain at the back is more active in certain areas in transexuals. Disgusting.

Transexuality is horrible - I have no problem with homosexuals, that is thier choice. But Transexuals are disgusting - it is a problem with the brain, scientists have worked out that the lower area of the brain at the back is more active in certain areas in transexuals. Disgusting.

see, that wasnt even me this time

Ok I don’t want to sound mean or judgmental but why would you want to be a girl? We have it so much harder but then again you are only going to get the glamour of our life so I guess if I could just look like a girl I would want to be a girl but seriously guys have it so so much easier.

Who cares if its natural? If thats what someone wants to do to their body, who are we to say it is wrong. It doesnt hurt anyone.

How old are you Mandolis? I am curious.

Is transsexuality natural? Somehow I'm thinking not. Homosexuality is, in that there are homosexual chimps and other animals. But I've never read about animals going into hormone treatment because they didn't feel like the right gender...

Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION!

Ok I don’t want to sound mean or judgmental but why would you want to be a girl? We have it so much harder but then again you are only going to get the glamour of our life so I guess if I could just look like a girl I would want to be a girl but seriously guys have it so so much easier.


Its not somthing I can help really... I just NEED to be a girl, there is like, this longing in side of me, somthing I can't control.

Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION!
Good for you CM. Have a cookie.

Who cares if its natural? If thats what someone wants to do to their body, who are we to say it is wrong. It doesnt hurt anyone.

How old are you Mandolis? I am curious.

14

Living out a different role is different from being transsexual. I mean how many perfectly normal males 'nurse' children and do other 'female' things, like worry about their hair? Lots! Doesn't mean they were born the 'wrong' gender and 'need' to change.

I think because of the psychological duality of gender, the idea that males have a feminine side and vice versa, is normal, and transsexuality is essentially an extremist viewpoint of this as well as, in some ways, the easy way out of coping with one's different selves. I also believe transsexuality is generally unhealthful and a sign that more needs to be done than hormone treatments and breast growing and penis chopping.

Good for you CM. Have a cookie.



Не сделайте Вы начинаете с меня, Вы чеченский любитель возлюбленный!

Не сделайте Вы начинаете с меня, Вы чеченский любитель возлюбленный!
Aww, isn't that cute. Have another cookie.

Its not somthing I can help really... I just NEED to be a girl, there is like, this longing in side of me, somthing I can't control.
ok I have just always wondered why men would ever want to be a girl but I guess if you just have a longing you don't know why either

14

lol

dont even start to think you know whats going on.

when i was that young i had no idea who i was. seriously, when i was like 15 i thought i was bi just because i couldnt explain the hormonal imbalances of being in puberty.

live a little, then make such grave descisions about your future

Its not somthing I can help really... I just NEED to be a girl, there is like, this longing in side of me, somthing I can't control.
I'm serious here, see a doctor or a psychiatrist

Transsexual are as useless as queers. Sick minded weirdos is what they are.

Well at 14 at least you ahve some years to think about it.

I agree that you should talk to counselors (not just one but many for different points of view) about it. You can find many GLBT counselors out there. You shoudl also talk to Trnsgendered peopel who have gone thru it about it and see what their experiences ahve been.

Don't rush into anything and seriously stop taking hormone pills.

Aww, isn't that cute. Have another cookie.


Вы - крыса и чеченский любитель возлюбленный! Изменническая свинья!

Вы - крыса и чеченский любитель возлюбленный! Изменническая свинья!
I take offense to being called a pig.

I think before the kid even goes to see a doctor, it pays to do a little self-education on what it's about. When I asked 'What would you do?" that was in reference to people saying they smelled trolling about it. To wit, I *posted the thread cause someone seemed to be putting their health at risk.*



Actually, yes, transsexuality occurs in animals, they just don't *know* it. They simply act like they're of the other sex, and no one calls them names.

The current science on this phenomenon basically says that, in fact, transsexuals have brains formed in the opposite sex than their bodies. This comes about in utero: simply put, the process that makes a brain's sex match the body can be disrupted, and the more we live stressful lifestyles and pollute the environment and our food and all, the more transsexuals there are going to be.


They've actually dissected transexuals' brains, and to make a long story short, men, straight and gay, have a brain structure of one size, and women, straight and gay, have a differently-sized version.

Transsexuals have the brain structure in the size corresponding to the gender they feel themselves to be.

It's not a 'cult of moloch,' whoever that is... It's just an innate condition that happens to be profoundly uncomfortable.

ok I have just always wondered why men would ever want to be a girl but I guess if you just have a longing you don't know why either

I never said I understood it. ;)

I take offense to being called a pig.

Я обижаюсь к Вам. Коммунистический предатель ваших собственных людей!

You first, you take a long walk off a short pier, I'll consider joining you for the walk, but you go first to test the water for sharks and mines.

CM I agree with you. Transexuality is wrong, its a problem with the brain and, god/allah willing our scientists will find some kind of a cure for these people. Its a defect of the brain - as simple as that.

Я обижаюсь к Вам. Коммунистический предатель ваших собственных людей!
How am I a traitor to my people?

Good for you CM. Have a cookie.
probably has quite a few :) ya know all the porn sights that someone obviously so "strait" must surf

How am I a traitor to my people?


Вы предаете ваших собственных людей чеченским мусульманам! Вы - предатель России и Белой гонки расы!

I think before the kid even goes to see a doctor, it pays to do a little self-education on what it's about. When I asked 'What would you do?" that was in reference to people saying they smelled trolling about it. To wit, I *posted the thread cause someone seemed to be putting their health at risk.*



Actually, yes, transsexuality occurs in animals, they just don't *know* it. They simply act like they're of the other sex, and no one calls them names.

The current science on this phenomenon basically says that, in fact, transsexuals have brains formed in the opposite sex than their bodies. This comes about in utero: simply put, the process that makes a brain's sex match the body can be disrupted, and the more we live stressful lifestyles and pollute the environment and our food and all, the more transsexuals there are going to be.


They've actually dissected transexuals' brains, and to make a long story short, men, straight and gay, have a brain structure of one size, and women, straight and gay, have a differently-sized version.

Transsexuals have the brain structure in the size corresponding to the gender they feel themselves to be.

It's not a 'cult of moloch,' whoever that is... It's just an innate condition that happens to be profoundly uncomfortable.

wow thats very interesting!

Thanks for the education. Too bad some people are too stubbborn with their beliefs that they refuse to look at anythign else.

Вы предаете ваших собственных людей чеченским мусульманам! Вы - предатель России и Белой гонки расы!

Are you Russian?

Вы предаете ваших собственных людей чеченским мусульманам! Вы - предатель России и Белой гонки расы!
I'm not russian, and 'white' is a vague term. Most russians aren't white...

Are you Russian?


No, but it's an ever so nice language.

Most russians aren't white...


Liar!

Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION!


Stop spewing your propaganda, mkay?

I don't think it's a sin or an abomination or anything like that. Do you see me throwing those thoughts as the divine truth in your face everytime I get a chance? Ever heard of the golden/small bible or what it's called? Maybe I should start throwing it in your face everytime I get a chance...

transexuality and homosexuality are just two more crumbling bricks in the collapsing building that is our culture.

Stop spewing your propaganda, mkay?

I don't think it's a sin or an abomination or anything like that. Do you see me throwing those thoughts as the divine truth in your face everytime I get a chance? Ever heard of the golden/small bible or what it's called? Maybe I should start throwing it in your face everytime I get a chance...



I don't care what you think, you're not God.





Leviticus 20:13
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The word of God!

ever think that mayb just mayb these are deeply rooted psychological problems that need to be treated and not discriminated against. I think people are just not ready to admit it.

Liar!

What are you doing here?

Your prejudice Christian crap and irrevalant rambling of Moloch, as well as your complete ineptitude to face commonly known and agreed upon facts about scientific and "atheist left" issues leaves me skeptical as to your presence here, other than to be a nuisance and a relic from another, less accepting generation.

Also, on the note of racism, I've seen several iffy posts by you which hint otherwise.

Whatever your delusions are, being angry and cursing in Cyrillic isn't that conducive to the people this thread was directed to.

and of course it is immoral. most unnatural behavior that hurts people is.

Its cool being a guy cause you don't have to worry about menstral cycles and other junk. Yeah and we don't have to get pregnant....errr as long as Governator doesn't think otherwise and these people: www.malepregnancy.com

Nothing wrong with homosexuality...no its not a choice.

Oh yeah, and some people are born transgender, but many times parents choose to give their children sex changes. Some people go through identity crisis if they were born male, but had a birth defect that would require certain areas cut off or they might fall off...which would make them into insecure girls. Its how nature is. Sometimes its just not fair.

But Gaia loves all her creations none-the-less.

lol

dont even start to think you know whats going on.

when i was that young i had no idea who i was. seriously, when i was like 15 i thought i was bi just because i couldnt explain the hormonal imbalances of being in puberty.

live a little, then make such grave descisions about your future

Must agree with you. I actually had such thoughts when I was in puberty that maybe I would have liked life better as a girl etc. Now puberty is long gone, and so is those thoughts. Unless when I come to think of multiple orgasms, hehe. ;)

So I agree, wait a few years. Don't start giving yourself hormonic treatments before you hit the age of 20 or something. Then peices usually start to fall into place about who you are. There is a reason why you are considered a minor untill the age of 18-21 in most (western) countries.

Must add that I thought the "lol" wasn't really needed.

homosexuality and transexuality are not the way most people are. It is not normal and it is an illness in our society's spirit. I have heard enough excuse making.

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

I don't care what you think, you're not God.





Leviticus 20:13
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The word of God!

How do you know the Bible is the word of God? Because the Bible tells you so?
Can't you think for yourself?

I don't care what you think, you're not God.





Leviticus 20:13
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The word of God!

You mean the edited word of King James and other mysoginistic, homophobic, xenopohibic, anti-semetic, racist people?

Let's not turn this into an arguement over gods. There is ample proof that Jesus wasn't a god, and that's why there's a thing called faith, which allows people to choose to ignore the proof.

In any event, the god you claim wrote this must be pretty twisted to put people through the hardships of being different.

homosexuality and transexuality are not the way most people are. It is not normal and it is an illness in our society's spirit. I have heard enough excuse making.

Why yes, 1 in 6 people are "wrong".

Why not just crucify them and treat them like pariahs...

Or, I know, let's make death camps. Yay!

How I marvel at the christian ability to ignore someone's helpful gesture or plea for help and attack blindly at something they neither like nor understand.

In any event, the god you claim wrote this must be pretty twisted to put people through the hardships of being different.


yeah especially for those hermaphrodites. What are they supposed to do eh? Date other hermaphrodites? I'd date a Hermaphrodite actually. I always wondered what that woudl be like.

I should also add that though most transsexuals report feeling to be of the wrong sex all their lives, *puberty is when it really starts to hurt.*

Think about it, before then, children are more or less children, and the sexual dimporphism of the body isn't that profound. Puberty comes, and kids *really* start separating out by sex, and the body starts growing in ways the brain perceives as *wrong,* and pretty alarming.

Now that there's awareness out there that something can be done about this, well, the age of 14 is a pretty *likely* time to figure out something's seriously not OK. It's a good time to start dealing with it, too, ...I didn't realize you were *that* young, though, kid, you're going to have to be *really* careful.

Cognitive behavioural therapy and other methods of trying to 'cure' transsexualism have proven completely ineffective and actually harmful, basically all they can do is convince someone to *repress* something that's in the physical structure of their brain.

That doesn't turn out to be healthy. The suicide rate for young transsexuals is pretty high, as are generally dangerous behaviours. If the pain's that profound, it helps to have some hope, and a *plan.*

You need to keep your wits about you, kid, find people you can trust, and know what's going on before you take any kind of action.

As far as mental health goes, you may want to find a therapist that won't set about trying to 'cure' you, so much as sort out your feelings. There's a lot of quackery out there, and most therapists and doctors will have less of a clue than you do.

It's a hard life, as I said, and no one would *choose* it. You ought to be sure of that, yourself. Find out all you can about what you're dealing with, and play it smart.

By the way, if you hadn't noticed, this really isn't the place to find support or advice, but it does give you a good sample of the mean-spirited ignorance that's out there. Take care of yourself.

It is not normal and it is an illness in our society's spirit.

Exactly which society are you identifying as 'our' society here? - the Hijras of Pakistan are an accepted and venerable part of their society.

I don't get transgender. Gay, lesbian, bisexual I understand (being a non-practicing bisexual myself), but a woman in a man's body, or vice versa?
I can't get my mind around that one.

I don't care what you think, you're not God.





Leviticus 20:13
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The word of God!

So, no comment about what the smal/golden bible is about, what a suprice.

If you ask me, it's texts written by honest people but edited by others who likely wanted a religous book that fited thier needs so they could controll the people with it. So, in short, i don't believe it's Gods words even if he existed.

Leviticus 20:13
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.


Remind me again what the second most important commandment in the Bible is for Christians?

You first, you take a long walk off a short pier, I'll consider joining you for the walk, but you go first to test the water for sharks and mines.

If you would further explain to me how it relates to this statement above, I'd very much appreciate it.

Exactly which society are you identifying as 'our' society here? - the Hijras of Pakistan are an accepted and venerable part of their society.


Not really. The 'Transsexual Hookers' of India are pariahs.

homosexuality and transexuality are not the way most people are. It is not normal and it is an illness in our society's spirit. I have heard enough excuse making.

Now, exchange the first and the third words in that quote with blacks and jews and it will remind you very very much of a very wellknown infamous person who lived last century.

I don't get transgender. Gay, lesbian, bisexual I understand (being a non-practicing bisexual myself), but a woman in a man's body, or vice versa?
I can't get my mind around that one.

you dont need to get your mind around it. you dont have to understand it.

do you really understand the crippling fear that keeps people from leaving their homes? do you really understand why a dislexic cant read? (what should backward letters have to do with anything?)

you just ACCEPT it that some people have these issues and that they have to find a way to live a reasonably happy life. would you deny them that just because you cant understand it?

for ME its enough that it exists. i dont have to understand it. i just have to have compassion for anyone with that kind of dilemma

Not really. The 'Transsexual Hookers' of India are pariahs.

They are however accepted as a part of that society and their tradition stretches back a long time, thus my use of the terms 'accepted' and 'venerable'.

They do not appear to have destroyed or weakened the entire fabric of their society, which is what the use of the phrase 'illness in our society's spirit' as used by Undecidedterritory seemd to inply.

From my experience most people are not unpleasant and hateful like Undecidedterritory. It is not normal and it is an illness in our society's spirit. Therefore we must find a cure.

My best friend is gay. He's really a nice guy. Ironically he's an artist. Go figure. He goes to church every sunday (episcopalian, now that he's come out.) and only misses it every now and then to work with local middle school kids with reading problems. He has diabetes and has had it since he was really little. When he graduates he hopes to get a job doing computer animation, maybe with pixar but he doubts he's that lucky. He's the guy who introduced me to the girl I intend to marry back in high school. We get together and go bowling with some of our highschool friends everytime we manage to get back to fort worth at the same time.

A true freaking abomination if you ever asked me.

Jesus Christ, are people crying over this as well?
Why don't you lot get off your fat asses and do something useful instead of crying behind your pc over the fact that there are people out there who are different from you?
What's next? Whining over other people's favorite flavour of icecream?

The hijras aren't 'hookers,' ...they serve a sacred ceremonial role in weddings and births, even if they are scorned in other areas of life. It's one of those things that probably don't make sense to Westerners, but India has its own ideas of these things.

There's a complexity there, hijras are respected because the transgendered state is sacred, and kind of feared and resented cause they're set apart.

In the ancient world, the transgendered often served religious roles: in India,
this place is maintained by the hijras by insisting on keeping those roles, ..otherwise there would be nothing *but* prostitution for them in India's society.

you dont need to get your mind around it. you dont have to understand it.

do you really understand the crippling fear that keeps people from leaving their homes? do you really understand why a dislexic cant read? (what should backward letters have to do with anything?)

you just ACCEPT it that some people have these issues and that they have to find a way to live a reasonably happy life. would you deny them that just because you cant understand it?

for ME its enough that it exists. i dont have to understand it. i just have to have compassion for anyone with that kind of dilemma

very well said. I don't think transgenders understand their condition themselves.

I believe there are alternatives to transexuality. I think there are better ways, but I dare not deny any person from choosing to/or born to be transexual. They deserve their rights to do so.

Now people who have sex changes....errr....I think if you are getting into a relationship it would be important that, that information is given to your partner.

*remembers a funny commercial*

I believe there are alternatives to transexuality. I think there are better ways, but I dare not deny any person from choosing to/or born to be transexual. They deserve their rights to do so.

Now people who have sex changes....errr....I think if you are getting into a relationship it would be important that, that information is given to your partner.

*remembers a funny commercial*

What 'alternatives' are there?

very well said. I don't think transgenders understand their condition themselves.

well, tbh I have no idea why I am atraccted to girls/women. ;)

*remembers a funny commercial*

The one with two men in a gay bar, enjoying themselves and obviously in love, until they sit down at a table and one of them sighs and says "Honey, there's something I have to admit. I haven't been fully honest with you. I'm... actually a woman..."?

for ME its enough that it exists. i dont have to understand it. i just have to have compassion for anyone with that kind of dilemma

This is the attitude you should take towards biblical literalists. Have compassion, for they are in a terrible dilemma. Because, you see, the book does not change, but the circumstances of life do. How do you apply a static worldview to a constantly changing world?

Oh, those poor people!

Now, if you view the bible as a symbolic, allegorical, or mythological piece of work, it becomes a WONDERFUL tool for understanding the world. The words and symbols change their meaning based on the circumstance, and have relevance to the situation, even if the situation isn't EXACTLY like the one described in the book!

And be glad you don't understand the biblical literalists confusion. His God-given reason fights with his Pastor-given belief, and it causes a powerful confusion in the soul. This confusion is acted out as intolerance of those who are "different" and "wrong", because they cannot reconcile the difference between reason and the book, and cannot accept that they might be wrong.

well, tbh I have no idea why I am atraccted to girls/women. ;)

I understand why... because they are sexy! :D

I don't understand why I am attracted to mens genitals only.

Alternatives:
Cross-Dressing
Being gay
Pshchologist----maybe its a simple urge to be a bit more femenine

The ad I am referring to is where this girl brings her new boyfriend to her home. When he looks around he sees pictures of this guy all around the home. When she comes in for a moochfest..he asks her "who is this guy". And she's like "thats me before my operation"

hahahaha

This is the attitude you should take towards biblical literalists. Have compassion, for they are in a terrible dilemma. Because, you see, the book does not change, but the circumstances of life do. How do you apply a static worldview to a constantly changing world?

Oh, those poor people!

Now, if you view the bible as a symbolic, allegorical, or mythological piece of work, it becomes a WONDERFUL tool for understanding the world. The words and symbols change their meaning based on the circumstance, and have relevance to the situation, even if the situation isn't EXACTLY like the one described in the book!

And be glad you don't understand the biblical literalists confusion. His God-given reason fights with his Pastor-given belief, and it causes a powerful confusion in the soul. This confusion is acted out as intolerance of those who are "different" and "wrong", because they cannot reconcile the difference between reason and the book, and cannot accept that they might be wrong.

good points!

Alternatives:
Cross-Dressing
Being gay
Pshchologist----maybe its a simple urge to be a bit more femenine

Homosexuality and Transsexuality are NOT the same things. I want to be a girl, but I'm not attracted to men in the slightest!

There really aren't any alternatives to *being* transsexual.

You may or may not find that you'd rather not alter the body to match the mind (trying to do it the other way around isn't likely to be any more feasible or useful than a brain transplant)

The only real question is 'how bad you got it,' ...I suppose it's theoretically possible to simply know yourself and not *express* it, but there's problems there. If you're a transsexual, you may never fit in or react properly among 'normal' people, you may find out the hiding makes you dishonest with yourself on other levels, you may find yourself joining the army or getting married as a male to try to *make yourself* normal, ...and this pretty much inevitably results in more misery for everyone concerned.

You might find a comfort zone of sorts in androgyny... again, this may only cost you time...

All you can really do is know yourself, don't make any rash decisions, and leave your *options* open. You may want to start pursuing treatment as young as possible, if your family aren't the type to try and beat or 'treat' the tranny out of you, ...that's risky, but it's better to grow up once than make a whole life and then have to start over (though on the other hand, it's better to have yourself established and solvent before you drop the societal scorn and discrimination on yourself.)

No easy answers. Sure, there'll be a lot of people telling you Christian 'reparative therapy' or some aversion technique will straighten you out, but that whole process is for *their* comfort, not yours.

Learn all you can. Play it smart. Keep learning all you can. Know yourself.

If you can find an alternative, and want it, then you'll be equipped to pursue it.

Mandolis....

Do your self a favor and talk to someone more important to us shmucks here. Regardless of how you're going to handle this situation you need someone to trust, not a bunch of self-righteous, egotistical maniacs out to save the world each and everyone of us. At the same time, a doctor might not be right. "Go see a doctor" is such an american way to wave off a problem.

What about your parents? Can you talk to them? You're only fourteen so if you make any life altering choices right now then you are truly mistaken. Isn't there anyone in your life worth trusting? Someone you can get real advice from?

Christian therapy is mind suicide.

They believe they can alter peoples minds. I for one know people who have gone through these religious therapies. Coming out more insecure than ever, but sticking it inside. They believe that if they let their insecurities overcome them than god will strike them down. They become religious zealots who will be intolerant to their own kind.

I was just offering alternatives to milder cases. Sometimes you run out of altermatives. I for one always wanted to wear a dress...just to know. I hated it, of course, especially when your classmates are egging you on to do it :P.

Sometimes we feel we wanna be something different, but manytimes we regret it.

Maybe I should try a kilt.....errrr....maybe not...can't stand having bear legs all the way to my boxers. Guess thats why women like pants.

Go listen to Eddy Izzard!

Uh, he's a transvestite comedian, and a DAMN funny one at that.

He's an executive transvestite xD

And, you're right, Mand. The brain structures that make one transsexual are known to be unrelated to sexual orientation.

Not a lot is known about the likely-complex things that can make one gay, but transssexuals come in all the orientations the rest of the population do. Maybe, anecdotally, a lot more are open about bisexuality, because, well, if you've got it in you, you've been told all your life it's not only OK, but *mandatory* to be into women, whereas any societal disapproval of being bi kind of pales compared to what you get just for being a tranny. So, if you've got it in you, who cares, really.

Christian therapy is mind suicide.

They believe they can alter peoples minds. I for one know people who have gone through these religious therapies. Coming out more insecure than ever, but sticking it inside. They believe that if they let their insecurities overcome them than god will strike them down. They become religious zealots who will be intolerant to their own kind.

I was just offering alternatives to milder cases. Sometimes you run out of altermatives. I for one always wanted to wear a dress...just to know. I hated it, of course, especially when your classmates are egging you on to do it :P.

Sometimes we feel we wanna be something different, but manytimes we regret it.

Maybe I should try a kilt.....errrr....maybe not...can't stand having bear legs all the way to my boxers. Guess thats why women like pants.

I cross-dress about once or twice a year when I go to the Fetish Balls in my area. It's fun. :)

Go listen to Eddy Izzard!

Uh, he's a transvestite comedian, and a DAMN funny one at that.

He's an executive transvestite xD


Not bad advice, but it has fuck all to do with transsexualism, you must admit, no?

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

ROFLMFAO!

*goes back to red the rest of thread*

Aww, and Neo, I think men in kilts are pretty darn hot, if they can carry it off, ....and there's nothing feminine about it.

Aww, and Neo, I think men in kilts are pretty darn hot, if they can carry it off, ....and there's nothing feminine about it.

Agree, tho I don't agree that men are hot, kilt or no kilt. ;)

ROFLMFAO!

*goes back to red the rest of thread*

*can't come up with something funny to say about the misspelling* =P

LOL. Ooops!

Was in a hurry!
Agree™ with what whoever it was said about sympathy for Christian Fundamentalists. We should feel sorry for them for theirs is an unfortunat malady. Unfortunately I can't since so many of them are in a position to perpetrate some fairly catastrophic deeds. I.e Anerican foreign policy.

*shuts up™ before I start a political debate which I will not*™ continue*

Is transsexuality natural? Somehow I'm thinking not. Homosexuality is, in that there are homosexual chimps and other animals. But I've never read about animals going into hormone treatment because they didn't feel like the right gender...

true as far as the treatment... but you can't prove that animals don't "not feel like the right gender" and just have to live with it.

in any case why does it matter if it's natural? chimps don't use cell phones, drive cars, or eat artificial nacho cheese either.

*wandering back through. Mand, if you check back in here, I thought of one more thing.*

Start your self-defense training now. Trannies are subject to *lots* of violence, bullying, and abuse.. the statistics are appalling.

Apart from that, if you do decide to transition, you'll want to be in very healthy condition, and the self-confidence and poise is something that you'd find comes in handy.

There's a lot you *can't* change, but physical activity can really help keep things like depression away, and you'll want any advantage you can get when you hit the real world.

And, if you come to decide you're not a tranny, it won't do you any harm. May not want to 'bulk up,' though, that's for sure. ;)

Meanwhile. Watch people. Learn how folks of both sexes behave and talk, and learn how to use that to keep yourself safe without having to unlearn so many bad conditioned habits later. Develop *lots* of skills, and some interests that are *just you:* people make such a big deal of all this that some trannies simply complete transition and have *no life,*

You need a life. You deserve one. And don't let anyone ever tell you different.

Oh, and, Zinc, with animals, it's a lot easier, there's not much psychology and forebrain-conditioning to get in the way. They simply exhibit certain behaviours.