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Al Queda's candidate?

Joey P
11-08-2004, 19:26
Who do you think Al Quada wants to see win the US presidential election?

Bush's inept foreign policy has radicalized many muslims. This is clearly a boon to Al Quaeda. On the other hand, he seems willing to try to punish terrorists.

Kerry may be less likely to go to war, giving Al Queda time to rebuild and reorganize, but he will also probably strengthen ties with many nations in order to share inteligence, and extradite terrorists for trial.

Nader is likely to be a complete pacifist abroad, and will also likely weaken the US homeland defense, but he won't win.
Terra - Domina
11-08-2004, 19:27
Im sure that neither candidate is in SUPPORT of Al Quidea

Im also sure that Al Quieda could probably care less, as both candidates have probably the same idea in mind for terrorism

This is why the polorization of partisan politics is bad, Al Quidea is NOT republican
Huzen Hagen
11-08-2004, 19:30
Who do you think Al Quada wants to see win the US presidential election?

Bush's inept foreign policy has radicalized many muslims. This is clearly a boon to Al Quaeda. On the other hand, he seems willing to try to punish terrorists.

Kerry may be less likely to go to war, giving Al Queda time to rebuild and reorganize, but he will also probably strengthen ties with many nations in order to share inteligence, and extradite terrorists for trial.

Nader is likely to be a complete pacifist abroad, and will also likely weaken the US homeland defense, but he won't win.

Bush, before he came to power Islamic terrorists were never heard. Now they are everywhere and the war on terror has been good business with more and more people joining their ranks
Stephistan
11-08-2004, 19:32
There are actually several op-ed articles out about this, all agree Bush is probably the choice of Al Qaeda, he's played right into their hands. He went and attacked Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11. He has let Iraq become the poster child for Al Qaeda recruitment.. He has seemed to lost all real interest in actually getting bin Laden.. the war on Al Qaeda has totally been over shadowed by the war in Iraq.. who do you think they'd prefer.. :rolleyes:
Terra - Domina
11-08-2004, 19:33
There are actually several op-ed articles out about this, all agree Bush is probably the choice of Al Qaeda, he's played right into their hands. He went and attacked Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11. He has let Iraq become the poster child for Al Qaeda recruitment.. He has seemed to lost all real interest in actually getting bin Laden.. the war on Al Qaeda has totally been over shadowed by the war in Iraq.. who do you think they'd prefer.. :rolleyes:

lol, thats funny, cause Kerry just said on TV that he would have done the exact same thing by going into Iraq. He just would have handled it differantly lol.
Berkylvania
11-08-2004, 19:34
There are actually several op-ed articles out about this, all agree Bush is probably the choice of Al Qaeda, he's played right into their hands. He went and attacked Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11. He has let Iraq become the poster child for Al Qaeda recruitment.. He has seemed to lost all real interest in actually getting bin Laden.. the war on Al Qaeda has totally been over shadowed by the war in Iraq.. who do you think they'd prefer.. :rolleyes:

Unless...he already HAS bin Laden and this whole thing is just a huge conspiracy designed to catapult Bush back into the White House this November.

*grabs tin-foil hat and looks around suspiciously*
Terra - Domina
11-08-2004, 19:36
Unless...he already HAS bin Laden and this whole thing is just a huge conspiracy designed to catapult Bush back into the White House this November.

*grabs tin-foil hat and looks around suspiciously*

its funny, Bin Laden isn't even all that important now

Bush messed up that region now, the anti-americanism there is almost akin to the anti-semitism in pre WW2 Germany.

Anyone can ride that hate to power.....
Stephistan
11-08-2004, 19:36
lol, thats funny, cause Kerry just said on TV that he would have done the exact same thing by going into Iraq. He just would have handled it differantly lol.

Actually if you actually listen to Kerry, he's not saying he would of done the exact same thing. Not at all. He flames Bush for the way he's handled this. Did he think Saddam should go? Yep, did he think the way it was done was the right way? nope!
Terra - Domina
11-08-2004, 19:39
Actually if you actually listen to Kerry, he's not saying he would of done the exact same thing. Not at all. He flames Bush for the way he's handled this. Did he think Saddam should go? Yep, did he think the way it was done was the right way? nope!

ok, im not going to argue semantics here

in the same position kerry said he would invade iraq

thats the whole issue in the middle east, not how its being handled. Im sure they dont care if it was a bombing campaign or a small coup or whatever, its the US interest in localized issues.
Ashmoria
11-08-2004, 19:40
not that i care what those <massive number of expletives deleted> want, but there are a number of pros and cons for them

bush has bombed the crap out of their bases in afghanistan and they are reduced to hiding in caves in the hills. this should make them not want bush to be president

this whole new terror alert level thing in the US means that they dont have to do anytyhing but send a few emails back and forth in order to get the entire country in a tizzy. this should make them WANT bush to be president.

when they bombed spain, the other party won and then pulled their troops out of iraq. they could want this to happen in the US, so they bomb US, we elect BUSH, and it backfires on them.
Joey P
11-08-2004, 19:40
And al quaeda's candidate is... (suspenseful drum roll)

Ralph Nader. He's not going to take a stand against terrorism if he does win, and even if he doesn't he'll hand the election to Bush by taking away liberal votes from Kerry.
New Astrolia
11-08-2004, 19:44
Isnt kerry in favour of police actions? Working wit the governments and specforces in the countries in question to root out terrorists?>
Siljhouettes
11-08-2004, 19:45
I honestly don't think that al-Qaeda cares who wins the election.

See http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=343785
Galtania
11-08-2004, 19:48
I don't think Al Qaeda really cares who wins the election, idiotic posts about Islamic terror not existing before Bush became POTUS notwithstanding.

They will continue to attempt to attack the U.S. because they are bloodthirsty murderers who desire worldwide Islamic rule. The U.S. is the most desirable target, because success (pulling off another large-scale attack) is a greater recruitment tool than failure (having peaceful Muslim brothers die in the process of chasing Al Qaeda into holes).
Dementate
11-08-2004, 20:32
I don't think Al Qaeda really cares who wins the election, idiotic posts about Islamic terror not existing before Bush became POTUS notwithstanding.

They will continue to attempt to attack the U.S. because they are bloodthirsty murderers who desire worldwide Islamic rule. The U.S. is the most desirable target, because success (pulling off another large-scale attack) is a greater recruitment tool than failure (having peaceful Muslim brothers die in the process of chasing Al Qaeda into holes).

I somewhat agree. Terrorists don't care who wins because either way, they will adapt. That is their advantage.
The Island of Rose
11-08-2004, 20:45
Crazy vast conspiracy threorists. I know you hate Bush's policies, but there is no need to attack the man personally and suggest he'll attack a city for votes or he has Osama. Because in my opinion, that just shows immaturity, but if you don't agree with me, flame me.

Me<---- Not a Bush supporter, nor a Kerry supporter, not even Nader...
Carthage and Troy
11-08-2004, 20:55
Well Al-Qaida is such a broad organization with members from allover the world who are all seeking different goals (independence of Chechnya, overthrowal of the Saudi royal family, destruction of Israel, killing non-Muslims, hurting America's Economy, etc.)

So it is impossible to say.

But as far as Bin-Laden is concerned, he definately wants Bush to win.

It was Bush, who actually called the war on terror a "Crusade".

And that's exactly what Bin Laden wants, his ultimate goal is a new age of Crusades that will pit the entire Muslim World against the entire Christian World.

Bush is doing a good job at both uniting Christians to hate Muslims and uniting Muslims to hate the West.

Bin Laden couldn't have done a better job himself.
Trakken
11-08-2004, 21:04
Bush, before he came to power Islamic terrorists were never heard....

Are you kidding me? You need to get your nose out of the Anti-Bush playbook and return to the real world.

The initial bombing of the WTC in the parking garage.
The USS Cole.
Even go waaaaay back to bombings in Lebanon.
All Islamic terrorists being heard long before Bush.

Anyone with a firm grasp of history knows that this all started long before Bush. He just happend to be on watch when the most successful attack to date happened.
Undecidedterritory
11-08-2004, 21:06
whoever is president next year the fight will be the same against this evil terrorist group. The only thing is who will cut the military budget? bush? no. kerry? maybe. nader? definatly but he cant win thank god.
Undecidedterritory
11-08-2004, 21:08
Crazy vast conspiracy threorists. I know you hate Bush's policies, but there is no need to attack the man personally and suggest he'll attack a city for votes or he has Osama. Because in my opinion, that just shows immaturity, but if you don't agree with me, flame me.

Me<---- Not a Bush supporter, nor a Kerry supporter, not even Nader...


many of the far left on these forums throw about wild non facts and strange unsubstantiated theories. Just yesterday someone called america imperialist. When asked to back up the charge they only gave examples from the 1800's. you know, there are a lot of twisted facts and wild theories. bare with the poor souls though, sometimes its worth it.
Undecidedterritory
11-08-2004, 21:10
Well Al-Qaida is such a broad organization with members from allover the world who are all seeking different goals (independence of Chechnya, overthrowal of the Saudi royal family, destruction of Israel, killing non-Muslims, hurting America's Economy, etc.)

So it is impossible to say.

But as far as Bin-Laden is concerned, he definately wants Bush to win.

It was Bush, who actually called the war on terror a "Crusade".

And that's exactly what Bin Laden wants, his ultimate goal is a new age of Crusades that will pit the entire Muslim World against the entire Christian World.

Bush is doing a good job at both uniting Christians to hate Muslims and uniting Muslims to hate the West.

Bin Laden couldn't have done a better job himself.





yes, Bush's policies killing 3/4 of bin laden's organization is a great reason for binladen to want bush reelected.
Undecidedterritory
11-08-2004, 21:15
the only thing that kerry would do differntly than bush is seek more international help and it doesnt even look as if he could pull that off.
RomeW
11-08-2004, 21:31
yes, Bush's policies killing 3/4 of bin laden's organization is a great reason for binladen to want bush reelected.

George W. Bush incites terrorists and hasn't really dealt with them well, so four more years of him bumbling around and getting more people to sign up for terrorism is what Osama bin Laden probably wants.
Carthage and Troy
11-08-2004, 22:01
Exactly!

So what if Bush has killed loads of terrorists! It makes no difference what so ever, it only took a handful of individuals to pull-off 9-11.

You cannot win the war on terrorism by just bombing Muslim countries!

You are inevitably going to create more terrorists even if you do manage to kill some of the original ones.

Make no mistake, the terrorists have already demonstrated that they are not afraid to die, they are not afraid of Bush!
Iztatepopotla
11-08-2004, 22:03
when they bombed spain, the other party won and then pulled their troops out of iraq. they could want this to happen in the US, so they bomb US, we elect BUSH, and it backfires on them.


Well, the PSOE won in Spain just because the PP insisted that the bombs were a product of Basque terrorism, even when there was a lot of evidence pointing to Al-Qaeda. People took this as a tactic to divide the country and distract attention from the war in Iraq. And they made the PP pay for that.

Had it been handled differently, the PP would have won.
Nehek-Nehek
11-08-2004, 22:09
Al Queda actually released a statement on the internet saying they had always prayed for a US president like Bush, and that he was a gift from god.
BastardSword
11-08-2004, 22:11
Exactly!

So what if Bush has killed loads of terrorists! It makes no difference what so ever, it only took a handful of individuals to pull-off 9-11.

You cannot win the war on terrorism by just bombing Muslim countries!

You are inevitably going to create more terrorists even if you do manage to kill some of the original ones.

Make no mistake, the terrorists have already demonstrated that they are not afraid to die, they are not afraid of Bush!

I still remember Doonesbury it had a poloyical ad praising the work that bush as done with a note, I am Osama Bin Laden i approve this Message.

He helped make terrorist rally support
He helped create interconflict and anger toward US.
He helped make this a Crusade(many of the military leaders words were Christians versus Muslims and Bush praised the guys)
He helped create fear and oppression(Terror Aleret raising and lower even when they say its not safer + Patriot Act has been used for other means) which helps the idea of the Great Satan that Osama needs.
He showed weakness when he did'nt go into that city (Faluja) after Al-sadr (Its their belief that you show weakness they will win)

Kerry: Wilcard, they don't know if he will be helpful or hinder Al-Queda. He won't have any direct hate from the terrrorist, so they will have to forget those points and make a new campaign for recruitment.
He seems to be a military man so he will fight them. He seems to want internatioonal help so that will be bad for them.

Luckily he will have republicans on their side. (Their mud-slinging find something to be angry about)
Oh and They are republicans, majority of republicans are religious people which Al-Queda is also.

If a bomb hit since they know that will help elect Bush out of blind Patriotism, they will be playing into their hands. it will not backfire, unless you Vore for Kerry because of the bombing.
Nehek-Nehek
11-08-2004, 22:13
yes, Bush's policies killing 3/4 of bin laden's organization is a great reason for binladen to want bush reelected.

According to the US army and intelligences' best estimates, at the time of sep. 11, Al Queda had 20 000 members. They also estimate that they have killed 2 000 (this doesn't count the 10 000 Iraqi soldiers, and the very large number of Taliban). The number that have joined since then is unknown, and likely far higher than 2 000 thanks to Bushs' fantastic job of ruining our reputation.