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You guys all whine about Kerry's record then talk about its what he's running on so its ok to sit around whining about discrepancies

so, answer me this, WHAT is BUSH running on?

Fear.

so, answer me this, WHAT is BUSH running on?


Cocaine, alcohol, and pure adrenaline.

alrighty...

supporting a political "group" or "team" devalues individual ideals and democracy as a whole

A treadmill.

Well, maybe.

Sometimes.

so, answer me this, WHAT is BUSH running on?

Fumes.

Kerry has a bad senate record

Bush has a bad presidential record.

Kerry has a bad senate record
this isn't about kerry, it's about bush, stay on topic

bush is running on the following:
the giving of freedom and civil rights to 24 million iraqis
tax cuts which stimulate the economy
the fastest growing economy in the world
social issues of our time which he holds the majority opinion ( on most of them)
the pathetic record of mr. kerry on all of the above

Great job Undecidedterritory i salute you.

Fear.

Ditto!

He could be dead and still be better than Kerry.

I support Bush because he has been steadfast in the face of tremendous challenges facing America and the world, challenges that were forced upon him because they were conveniently set aside (i.e. Clinton). He is a straight shooter and a man of his word. He doesn't have to stick his finger up in the air and see which way the poll winds are blowing in order to take a position. His positions on the issues are based on his character...God Bless President Bush!

He could be dead and still be better than Kerry.
how old are you? i really hope you're a 15 year old, then i could respect your opinion more because you ADMITTED you rather have a drug addict running our ENTIRE COUNTRY than some other guy

He could be dead and still be better than Kerry.


Amen to that!

bush is running on the following:
the giving of freedom and civil rights to 24 million iraqis
why should i care? especially since he has alienated the rest of the world in doing so, especially our allies and has given those terrorists he wishes to wipe out weapons to use against us in doing so

tax cuts which stimulate the economy
the fastest growing economy in the world
essential items like food, milk, and gas are going up in price. job growth is far below what bush has predicted and is still over a million under the job growth he lost

social issues of our time which he holds the majority opinion ( on most of them)
lincoln opposed slavery (the biggest social issue of the time), well he changed his stance to oppose slavery, he went down in the history books as one of the greatest presidents of all time. the majority should not be able to do whatever they wish neither are they always right

the pathetic record of mr. kerry on all of the above
stay on topic unless you want to give facts without bullshit propagand and spin

I support Bush because he has been steadfast in the face of tremendous challenges facing America and the world, challenges that were forced upon him because they were conveniently set aside (i.e. Clinton). He is a straight shooter and a man of his word. He doesn't have to stick his finger up in the air and see which way the poll winds are blowing in order to take a position.
Um, no.

* He ignored the challenges that were 'conveniently set aside' until they became a full-blown disaster. Read the 9/11 Commission report.

* Two words: Nigerian Yellowcake. That's just the most glaring of his lies and misrepresentations that come to mind immediately. He and his administration lie and mislead habitually. And when he gets called out on the - let's be kind and say misinformation - he doesn't have the maturity to admit the mistake until he's pinned to the wall. Instead he and his proxies do whatever they can to smear the reputations of good, credible people with innuendo and rumormongering, the well-known publicly acknowledged "smear and defend" policy. Culminating in blowing the cover of our own covert agents, an act tantamount to treason in these times.

* He doesn't "stick his finger up in the air" because he's pandering to the biggest money contributors and the most rabid right-wing activists. Compare the moderate rhetoric of his 2000 campaign of "compassionate conservatism" with his positions in office - the duplicity, and the pandering to industry money and the right wing reactionary base, is stunning.

Of course Bush isn't popular, he is the leader of the world's only super-power and he is taking a hard line that Clinton didn't. The truth is the western world has been at war with Islamic extremists at least since WW1. Every year they step up this war against us. Unless the US completely turns it's back on Israel, there will never be a peaceful solution to the problem. So Bush is doing something about it. Liek him or not, agree with what he's doing or not, at least he is doing something. The war in Iraq is not now and never was about WMD. Anybody who ever thought it was is a fool. The war in Iraq is about transforming the country into a western style democracy with a middle eastern flavor, the idea being that the reason the middle east and the rest of the world can't get along is cultural. Iraq was the choice because it has been secularly ruled for a long time and Saddam was a bastard so it was the most logical place to start. Make no mistake though, we are and have been at war for a long time. Do you want a leader with a plan, or do you want John Kerry, who thinks he can settle the conflict with dialogue after almost a century of other people failing to do so. Or do we have to wait until NYC or London or Paris disappears in a nuclear cloud before people understand we're at war and these extremists will do whatever they can to hurt and kill any of us infidels?

John Kerry is a September 10th politician. September 11th proved that keeping our heads in the sand is no protection.

Kerry supporters think if we stop fighting the war on terror, we can pretend 9/11 never happened and go back to the peaceful late 90s (nevermind WTC bombing 1, the Cole, the embassies, TWA 800, etc.). It doesn't work like that. You may be able to vote in a pre-war politician, but you can't roll back history.

and the most rabid right-wing activists. Compare the moderate rhetoric of his 2000 campaign of "compassionate conservatism" with his positions in office - the duplicity, and the pandering to industry money and the right wing reactionary base, is stunning.

This is nuts. Bush has greatly expanded the federal role in education, forced through the largest medicare entitlement increase since the 60s, signed the largest farm subsidy bill ever, the largest energy subsidy bill ever, raised AIDS spending to record levels, and with both sides in Congress tacking on more pork than ever before he has not used his veto pen once.

The "right wing reactionarys" think he's a domestic centrist at best and most of us are less generous than that.

John Kerry is a September 10th politician. September 11th proved that keeping our heads in the sand is no protection.

Kerry supporters think if we stop fighting the war on terror, we can pretend 9/11 never happened and go back to the peaceful late 90s (nevermind WTC bombing 1, the Cole, the embassies, TWA 800, etc.). It doesn't work like that. You may be able to vote in a pre-war politician, but you can't roll back history.
you know the funniest thing about Grebonia and your complaint is? that kerry hasn't proposed to do anything differently than bush except try to make amends with the international community and convince them to assist us in the middle east

This is nuts. Bush has greatly expanded the federal role in education, forced through the largest medicare entitlement increase since the 60s, signed the largest farm subsidy bill ever, the largest energy subsidy bill ever, raised AIDS spending to record levels, and with both sides in Congress tacking on more pork than ever before he has not used his veto pen once.

The "right wing reactionarys" think he's a domestic centrist at best and most of us are less generous than that.
i do wonder how much of that AIDS spending is going to researching a CURE in this nation rather than getting involved in the aids epidemic of other nations and forcing them to buy aids drugs from us. man you gotta love big business controlled government

This is nuts. Bush has greatly expanded the federal role in education,

with a policy that will do nothing but dumb our kids down even more.

forced through the largest medicare entitlement increase since the 60s,

which helps the drug companies more than it helps the people on medicare, who now have to come up with more out-of-pocket money.

signed the largest farm subsidy bill ever,

Yes, we should continue paying our farmers to not farm.

the largest energy subsidy bill ever,

while trying to lower the environmental controls

raised AIDS spending to record levels,

while cutting funding to any organization that ever provides abortions.

and with both sides in Congress tacking on more pork than ever before he has not used his veto pen once.

And this is a good thing? The problem is that, Republican or not, Bush is nowhere near even close to being a fiscal conservative, which is the only kind I care for.

The "right wing reactionarys" think he's a domestic centrist at best and most of us are less generous than that.

He has taken religion-controlled government to a whole new levels and into new, unprecendented areas. Sounds pretty right wing reactionary to me.

He could be dead and still be better than Kerry.

Interesting. Let's ask Ashcroft what he thinks of that idea :D

Can't we all agree they both suck ass?



I miss clinton.

the fastest growing economy in the world


Not THAT is some serious bullshit that I didn't even think GWB would come up with.

This is nuts. Bush has greatly expanded the federal role in education, forced through the largest medicare entitlement increase since the 60s, signed the largest farm subsidy bill ever, the largest energy subsidy bill ever, raised AIDS spending to record levels,
* Education: Bush ramrodded through an unfunded mandate that punishes public schools for not meeting standards, but gives them no assistance to meet those standards. And conveniently after the Every Child Left Behind Act was passed, details came to light about how the Houston school system has been cooking its statistics to feign dramatic improvement that didn't actually happen. So much for the "Texas miracle."

* Medicare: The drug program is compelling private insurers to withdraw from the drug benefit market, it outlaws the collective bargaining negotiation tactics that have allowed private insurers to control costs, and results in fat profits for the industry and greater expense for a great many of the elderly. It's corporate welfare masquerading as a benefit.

* Farm subsidy: In case you haven't noticed, family-owned farms are doing worse than ever. The overwhelming majority of farming in this country is run by multinational corporations. Corporate welfare again, lobbied through by big industry.

* Energy subsidy: One word: Enron. No, make that two words: Enron; Halliburton.

* AIDS spending: Lots of money committed on paper, less than 10% of it actually released. Why? Because any health organization that doesn't put enough emphasis on abstinence rather than safer sex loses funding; likewise any health organization that ever even says the word 'abortion.'

He does have a great cabinet and the people he has around him are top notch. I would go with Bush even if I have to go to Iraq in a few years. His track record is good, but not perfect.

Of course Bush isn't popular, he is the leader of the world's only super-power and he is taking a hard line that Clinton didn't. The truth is the western world has been at war with Islamic extremists at least since WW1. Every year they step up this war against us. Unless the US completely turns it's back on Israel, there will never be a peaceful solution to the problem. So Bush is doing something about it. Liek him or not, agree with what he's doing or not, at least he is doing something. The war in Iraq is not now and never was about WMD. Anybody who ever thought it was is a fool. The war in Iraq is about transforming the country into a western style democracy with a middle eastern flavor, the idea being that the reason the middle east and the rest of the world can't get along is cultural. Iraq was the choice because it has been secularly ruled for a long time and Saddam was a bastard so it was the most logical place to start. Make no mistake though, we are and have been at war for a long time. Do you want a leader with a plan, or do you want John Kerry, who thinks he can settle the conflict with dialogue after almost a century of other people failing to do so. Or do we have to wait until NYC or London or Paris disappears in a nuclear cloud before people understand we're at war and these extremists will do whatever they can to hurt and kill any of us infidels?

So you are saying Bush thinks we fools because he said Iraq was about WMD and tried to prove it.(he failed but he tried)
I want a Leader with a plan John Kerry actually, he has a plan. Bush doesn't he has ideas, big difference.

* Education: Bush ramrodded through an unfunded mandate that punishes public schools for not meeting standards, but gives them no assistance to meet those standards. And conveniently after the Every Child Left Behind Act was passed, details came to light about how the Houston school system has been cooking its statistics to feign dramatic improvement that didn't actually happen. So much for the "Texas miracle."

* Medicare: The drug program is compelling private insurers to withdraw from the drug benefit market, it outlaws the collective bargaining negotiation tactics that have allowed private insurers to control costs, and results in fat profits for the industry and greater expense for a great many of the elderly. It's corporate welfare masquerading as a benefit.

* Farm subsidy: In case you haven't noticed, family-owned farms are doing worse than ever. The overwhelming majority of farming in this country is run by multinational corporations. Corporate welfare again, lobbied through by big industry.

* Energy subsidy: One word: Enron. No, make that two words: Enron; Halliburton.

* AIDS spending: Lots of money committed on paper, less than 10% of it actually released. Why? Because any health organization that doesn't put enough emphasis on abstinence rather than safer sex loses funding; likewise any health organization that ever even says the word 'abortion.'

No Child Left Behind will only fund you if you get 100% graduation. I've read it, its seriously unvbelieveable. Please tell me you've heard of a school geting 100%, because it sounds like a fairy tale to me.
There are other requirements but that alone is stiupid.

Also Bush is the enemy of the environment, he has passed more lax (less restriction) on conpanies to pollute.
Raised Arsenic levels in the water.
Allowed Clear cutting (Healthy forest Intiative, preemptive strike?) of forest. (possibly it meant to cut trees so no forest fires but they are so few regulates its noty being used like that. instead its for a boon to lumber industries.)
Clean Air acts that allow more pollution to be emitted legally by companies.

He does have a great cabinet and the people he has around him are top notch. I would go with Bush even if I have to go to Iraq in a few years. His track record is good, but not perfect.
better suit up im not fighting the big business war

Bushs track record is far from good. You seem to forget that 900 american soldiers are dead because of him.

Bushs track record is far from good. You seem to forget that 900 american soldiers are dead because of him.
Its closer to 1500 but eh whose counting, only the mothers and fathers of those men.

The second from last thing you want to do is go to war with (very) bad intelligence. The last thing is to do the above with an idiot who can't even explain what he's doing leading the nation into war. he wanted cheaper oil and he even failed that.
can anyone logically explain what good he has done for the country???
from where i'm looking it appears as though he's divided the EU, he's ruined America's reputation and he messed up the entire invasion. and that's just foreign affairs.

he wanted cheaper oil and he even failed that.
Have anything to back that up or just pulling it from the usual anti-Bush talking points?

Bush is a great entertainer visit http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 25, 2004