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How To Destroy America
By Frosty Wooldridge
10-31-3

Last week, I attended an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. Writers, speakers, CEO's, representatives from Congress such as Tom Tancredo as well as former governors graced the podium. Bonnie Eggle, mother of the national parks ranger Chris Eggle, slain by Mexican drug runners last year on our unguarded southern border--gave a compelling speech that left not one dry eye in the place. Peter Gadiel, father of Jamie Gadiel, spoke powerfully on how the World Trade Center took his son and how nothing has been done since--to stop the flow of illegal immigration into the United States. Even with the façade of Tom Ridge's Homeland Security, 800,000 illegal aliens continue walking, crawling or tunneling across the Mexican border annually. Their accelerating numbers are undermining America's ability to function.

During the conference, speaker after speaker astounded the audience with facts on how fast the present administration and congress continue dismantling the American Dream for average citizens. Mr. Rob Sanchez of Arizona, showed how H1 B and L 1 visas have ripped one million high tech jobs out of American worker's hands. Another speaker told a packed audience how 'offshoring' and 'outsourcing', fully supported by the president and congress have cost over three million American jobs in the past six years. His prediction was even more depressing: "In excess of three million more jobs will be 'outsourced' within four years. Those American jobs are headed to Mexico, India, China, Pakistan and Brazil." Later, a brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, 'MEXIFORNIA', explaining how immigration, both legal and illegal, was destroying the entire State of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of the American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm, stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. This writer sat in the audience spellbound by the eight methods for destruction of the United States.

He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, to self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall, and that, "An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide."

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said. "Turn America into a bilingual or multi lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way, "The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon-all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons and Corsicans."

Lamm went on, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds."

"We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the ATLANTIC MONTHLY recently: " The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an America, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together."

Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology'. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other-that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks: "The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet, all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factorslocal patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum, we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits-make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity'. I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century-that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual--bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology', I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: "That because immigration has been good for America, it must ALWAYS be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them." In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. The profound silence allowed me to hear my heart beating. Finally, he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'MEXIFORNIA'. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity'. American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as greedy corporations create a Third World in America-take note of California and other states-to date, 10 million illegal aliens and growing, fast.

It reminded me of George Orwell's book, '1984'. In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength." I sat there as one of the most patriotic Americans I know, Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy, is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially the American Dream.

Frosty Wooldridge (frostyw@juno.com) is a teacher and author who has bicycled 100,000 miles on six continents to see overpopulation up close and ugly. His latest book is: 'STRIKE THREE! TAKE YOUR BASE'. For more information to take action at the national level, you may go to www.numbersusa.com or write the author for local web sites to take local action in your state. This is your country and your kids' future.

this is why we need technocracy

let machines do it and the rest can live off the benefits of technology

He dose reaise some good points. but Celebrating unity is kinda what dictators get their people to do.

He dose reaise some good points. but Celebrating unity is kinda what dictators get their people to do.


So instead celebrate what makes us different so people resent each other and grow to hate each other and we become a Rwanda, Sudan, Somalia, Yugoslavia, or any number of other nations that chose to highlight differences. Unity=stability=prosperity

Unity=stability=prosperity

Yes, because mandating unity worked ever so well for the U.S.S.R.

This is simple jingoism at it's finest.

Yes, because mandating unity worked ever so well for the U.S.S.R.

This is simple jingoism at it's finest.


The USSR attempted to create artificial unity in their various far-flung "republics" by telling everybody, "Okay, you're all soviets, you're equals." It doesn't work that way. People actually have to be the same, have to have a similar religion, language, culture, common ground, etc.

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The USSR attempted to create artificial unity in their various far-flung "republics" by telling everybody, "Okay, you're all soviets, you're equals." It doesn't work that way. People actually have to be the same, have to have a similar religion, language, culture, common ground, etc.

And how, exactly, is that any different from what we would be doing? There is no common religion, culture, etc. and never has been.

And how, exactly, is that any different from what we would be doing? There is no common religion, culture, etc. and never has been.


What we would be doing is building a homogenous state by establishing strict regulations on who could and could not live in said state. And the other nations would do the same thing.

What we would be doing is building a homogenous state by establishing strict regulations on who could and could not live in said state. And the other nations would do the same thing.

Again, you're mandating unity in a situation where that unity doesn't exist. It's great to scapegoat immigrants, legal and otherwise, for every ill that befalls this country, but it doesn't solve and it's simply not true.

The destruction of America is something to be desired if one values his or her own country and culture.

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Three strikes and, to return the phrase to it's original intent, you're out.

Point is, great, he's got an opinion. What he hasn't got are facts to back that opinion up or anybody half way interesting talking about him. I'm sure he said it, but I can say that a sure-fire way to destroy America is to allow men and women to swim together in the same swimming pool. Doesn't make it any more credible than this joker.

Who the devil is Bruce Reed and why should we care what he thinks?



Some weird psuedo-blog site.



The jingoist's own website.

Three strikes and, to return the phrase to it's original intent, you're out.

Point is, great, he's got an opinion. What he hasn't got are facts to back that opinion up or anybody half way interesting talking about him. I'm sure he said it, but I can say that a sure-fire way to destroy America is to allow men and women to swim together in the same swimming pool. Doesn't make it any more credible than this joker.



Look at history and you'll see the Governor is correct, America is going to be destroyed.

Look at history and you'll see the Governor is correct, America is going to be destroyed.

Where? Show me where a nation such as America has been destroyed through bilingualism. If it's such a common occurance it should be easy to provide concrete, explicit examples. Where are they? So far I've shown you one. U.S.S.R. Mandated unity and collapsed because it was a sham, just like it would be in the U.S.

Where? Show me where a nation such as America has been destroyed through bilingualism. If it's such a common occurance it should be easy to provide concrete, explicit examples. Where are they? So far I've shown you one. U.S.S.R. Mandated unity and collapsed because it was a sham, just like it would be in the U.S.

Roman Empire, Austrian Empire, Austria-Hungary, Yugoslavia, Ottoman Empire, Rwanda, Somalia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Angola, Kashimir, Iraq.

Note, not all were destroyed, many just had millions die in ethnic and racial strife and the lands are now in turmoil and chaos.

Roman Empire, Austrian Empire, Austria-Hungary, Yugoslavia, Ottoman Empire, Rwanda, Somalia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Angola, Kashimir, Iraq.

Note, not all were destroyed, many just had millions die in ethnic and racial strife and the lands are now in turmoil and chaos.

That's not what I asked and, like your dismissal of my example of the U.S.S.R., I feel completely correct in dismissing all of these because they are not "countries like America" that has always built it's strength and it's adaptability on it's diversity.

That's not what I asked and, like your dismissal of my example of the U.S.S.R., I feel completely correct in dismissing all of these because they are not "countries like America" that has always built it's strength and it's adaptability on it's diversity.



America has been strong on assimilation, not on "Come on in and don't learn English, form your own small nation within our nation, so later you can lobby for autonomy!"


You suck-up all the diversity you want, and take it in real nice and good. Because one day, it will destroy you.

America has been strong on assimilation, not on "Come on in and don't learn English, form your own small nation within our nation, so later you can lobby for autonomy!"


You suck-up all the diversity you want, and take it in real nice and good. Because one day, it will destroy you.

Fine. I will. And you sit behind your barbed-wire barricades with your gun cocked and ready because "them dern ferigners are a cummin ta git ya."

On the points you raised about out sourcing of jobs surely this is the capatalism that America fought for against the USSR? Jobs go to those who will cost the least.

America as a great power probably will fall, every other power in history has but most of them have in fact failed because they ran out of money not multi cultralsim. The British Empire was bankrupted after fighting two world wars, the USSR split after it went bust, Austria split into Austria Hungary because of its poor economic situation ( there were other reasons as well but this was an important factor) Greece faded as a power because Persia was a much bigger and larger nation. Greece also wasnt a country as such in the first place. They spent most of their time fighting each other. If America ceases to be a great power it will be because its economy has crashed not because of imigration.

You people do realize there wouldn't even be a so-called "mexican problem" if we hadn't stolen Mexico's friggin land in the first place, right? The ruling class subjugates a foreign people, and then 150 years later they act all surprised when it starts to cause problems for their neat little system. Boo-hoo. If a few million poor, undocumented immigrants in the border area are threatening to destroy our civilization, then give Texas the hell back to Mexico. I doubt many people would miss it.

My own experiance repudiates the idea that the existance of multiple languages and cultures in a place like the United States inherently leads to national suicide. I work in Queens, the most ethnically diverse place in the US. Dozens of different languages are spoken, %53 of the population are non native speakers of English, and most of them never totally abandon the cultures of their homelands. By your account, the borough should have long since erupted into seperatism and anarchy, but the way I see it people around here tend to get along just fine despite racial and cultural differences.

The places you've described have all experianced ethnic violence, but their situations differ markedly from the US's in too many ways to explain in a single post.

I don't think it's too much to ask for people who come to America to learn english.

You people do realize there wouldn't even be a so-called "mexican problem" if we hadn't stolen Mexico's friggin land in the first place, right? The ruling class subjugates a foreign people, and then 150 years later they act all surprised when it starts to cause problems for their neat little system. Boo-hoo. If a few million poor, undocumented immigrants in the border area are threatening to destroy our civilization, then give Texas the hell back to Mexico. I doubt many people would miss it.

My own experiance repudiates the idea that the existance of multiple languages and cultures in a place like the United States inherently leads to national suicide. I work in Queens, the most ethnically diverse place in the US. Dozens of different languages are spoken, %53 of the population are non native speakers of English, and most of them never totally abandon the cultures of their homelands. By your account, the borough should have long since erupted into seperatism and anarchy, but the way I see it people around here tend to get along just fine despite racial and cultural differences.

The places you've described have all experianced ethnic violence, but their situations differ markedly from the US's in too many ways to explain in a single post.


They haven't erupted into anarchy due to the very strong police and military presence currently in the USA. As soon as the army becomes heavily divided along racial lines... Watch out!


Also the white working class in the USA still has the strength to suppress such uprisings. In the Austrian Empire, the austrians lost the strength to suppress the hungarians and slavs.

We land mines all over the border between the US and mexico to kill every mexican that comes across illegaly.

We land mines all over the border between the US and mexico to kill every mexican that comes across illegaly.

There are already over 14 million illegals from mexico alone in here. And G Dubya Bush wants to make them all legals.

What Communist Mississippi fails to realize is that we have different cultures in America without immigrant populations. Urban and rural, different regional cultures, different cultures of different social classes...ethnic cultures are not the only kind. Canada has the Quebecois pushing for autonomy. Fine. They've been doing it for decades, and it certainly hasn't fractured the country into pieces, nor has it led to bloody civil war. Post-industrialized nations can handle some internal stresses without giving way and falling apart.

Finally, the US will eventually cease to exist as we recognize it. That's a given. We may have an economic collapse, we may become part of a larger government, we may dissolve into an anarcho-syndicalistic commune. I don't know. But it will happen, and it's better to do it peacefully than, as many of the anti-immigrant xenophobes would prefer, be dragged kicking and screaming into the light of a new era.

What Communist Mississippi fails to realize is that we have different cultures in America without immigrant populations. Urban and rural, different regional cultures, different cultures of different social classes...ethnic cultures are not the only kind. Canada has the Quebecois pushing for autonomy. Fine. They've been doing it for decades, and it certainly hasn't fractured the country into pieces, nor has it led to bloody civil war. Post-industrialized nations can handle some internal stresses without giving way and falling apart.

Finally, the US will eventually cease to exist as we recognize it. That's a given. We may have an economic collapse, we may become part of a larger government, we may dissolve into an anarcho-syndicalistic commune. I don't know. But it will happen, and it's better to do it peacefully than, as many of the anti-immigrant xenophobes would prefer, be dragged kicking and screaming into the light of a new era.


You do realize we've already had 1 bloody civil war. North vs South, that was a clash of urban vs rural, industrial vs agrarian, etc.

There are already over 14 million illegals from mexico alone in here. And G Dubya Bush wants to make them all legals.

Yes, I was just saying how to keep them out. How do get the ones who are here out is to give them 1 week to be gone them hunt and KILL any illegals left.

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The problem is you havnt proven that Bilingual nations die because they are bilingual. Only that they are a part. And Its not as If most of the immigrants dont know how to speak English, they just odnt have to when they dont need to.

Jobs being outsourced? To places where people are prepared to work harder for less money? Terrible. How could they do it to America.

Why do you think your jobs are being 'stolen'? You're being poached by the competition. Get over it.

Lots of you mentioned Rwanda. As I understood the conflict, the reason behind the civil war was that the other ethnic group (Hutus) was succesfully oppressing the other (Tutsis). I don't see how multiculturalism can be blamed for that. Multiculturalism didn't force anyone to oppress the other.

Here in Finland we have two official languages (horror of horrors), Finnish and Swedish. We get along quite nicely. The taxes are a bit high, but I think the blame lies elsewhere.

Well let's see. Where has cultural unity been attempted?
NAZI Germany ... worked pretty well ... until they got their ass kicked by the Russians and their country split in two by the multi-cultural victors.
We've got South Africa apartheid ... it worked unless you found yourself alone in the street after 10 pm, but if you like big guns and if you are a survivor warrior, you should be fine.
Then it was attempted in Israel ... well after fighting some wars, they've got buses exploding and bombs in crowded areas, they're building a wall and their economy would colapse without foreign help.

Those countries seem to work very well indeed. Maybe you should try it in the US where you can find guns on the free market.

That's not what I asked and, like your dismissal of my example of the U.S.S.R., I feel completely correct in dismissing all of these because they are not "countries like America" that has always built it's strength and it's adaptability on it's diversity.
Actually today's diversity, which is a relatively new concept that was invented in the 60s and 70s, is not the same as the traditional defintion of American diversity... before that the emphasis in America was assimilation into a 'melting pot' - there were many diverse foreign cultures here back then too but for the vast majority of the nation's history American people wanted these various cultures to mix and blend together into one gigantic American culture that has aspects of the component cultures. Today's diversity wants foreign cultures to come here but stay in their unmixed forms hence the 'salad bowl' - each community embraces only its own particular culture without regard for the larger American culture or the cultures of other ethnic communities in America... therefore the separate sects and ethnic communities here find it harder and harder to relate to each other.

Well let's see. Where has cultural unity been attempted?
NAZI Germany ... worked pretty well ... until they got their ass kicked by the Russians and their country split in two by the multi-cultural victors.
Nazi Germany's method - genocide - for getting a monocultural society is atrocious however Germany was not destroyed because it had cultural unity. Nazi Germany was destroyed because the leadership decided to attack huge countries and alliances it could not handle. Such a thing could happen to any country, regardless of whether they are multicultural or monocultural.
We've got South Africa apartheid ... it worked unless you found yourself alone in the street after 10 pm, but if you like big guns and if you are a survivor warrior, you should be fine.
Apartheid South Africa was a multicultural country by law - it had a white culture and a separate black/'coloured' culture. The Apartheid government never tried to impose unity on the two societies, in fact the government did the exact opposite.

Then it was attempted in Israel ... well after fighting some wars, they've got buses exploding and bombs in crowded areas, they're building a wall and their economy would colapse without foreign help.
Israel is also multicultural and has never attempted to convert everyone to Judaism or a pro-Israel stance... Arabs and other non-Jews are allowed to live in the state of Israel and indeed there are many Palestinians who sit in the Knesset (parliament).

Lots of you mentioned Rwanda. As I understood the conflict, the reason behind the civil war was that the other ethnic group (Hutus) was succesfully oppressing the other (Tutsis). I don't see how multiculturalism can be blamed for that. Multiculturalism didn't force anyone to oppress the other.

Here in Finland we have two official languages (horror of horrors), Finnish and Swedish. We get along quite nicely. The taxes are a bit high, but I think the blame lies elsewhere.


Wrong, Tutsi (10%) was lording it over the Hutu (90%) for years, the Hutu got tired of it, and they just rose up and started killing Tutsi in droves, along with those Hutu they deemed "Tutsi-lovers".

Actually today's diversity, which is a relatively new concept that was invented in the 60s and 70s, is not the same as the traditional defintion of American diversity... before that the emphasis in America was assimilation into a 'melting pot' - there were many diverse foreign cultures here back then too but for the vast majority of the nation's history American people wanted these various cultures to mix and blend together into one gigantic American culture that has aspects of the component cultures. Today's diversity wants foreign cultures to come here but stay in their unmixed forms hence the 'salad bowl' - each community embraces only its own particular culture without regard for the larger American culture or the cultures of other ethnic communities in America... therefore the separate sects and ethnic communities here find it harder and harder to relate to each other.


Exactly, and while America was multiculture, all the cultures that made it up were essentially European (English, Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, French, etc)

When you started tossing not different european groups, but completely different races into the mixture, that's when the trouble started.

What many fail to realize is that without illegals doing low wage, sometimes dangerous jobs that noone else want's to do, the economy would pretty much go down the drain. Like it or not, we RELY on illegal Mexican Immigrants to keep the economy afloat.

But still, people are afriad of these hard working, irrationally poor people because they don't under stand that they struggle every day to eat a decent meal.

I am a Mexican American, fourth generation. My family has been here a while. My great grandfather didn't jump the border to come here; he was promised three meals a day and good pay if he came to work on the King Ranch. He accepted and became one of Mr. King's close friends. When he died at the age of 48, Mr. King wept, my grandfather was there.

The pay was low, my grandfather couldn't aford needed trips to the hospital when he was injured, and on the ranch, they wouldn't even take the ranch hands to a medical center in the first place.

But eventually, things got better for everyone. But they still aren't perfect. As mexican americans, my parents are not paid as much as white americans. My mother gets it worse, she's paid even less for being a woman.

America is supposed to be the land of equal opportunity, but it isn't.

You can't spell opportunity without unity.

Actually today's diversity, which is a relatively new concept that was invented in the 60s and 70s, is not the same as the traditional defintion of American diversity... before that the emphasis in America was assimilation into a 'melting pot' - there were many diverse foreign cultures here back then too but for the vast majority of the nation's history American people wanted these various cultures to mix and blend together into one gigantic American culture that has aspects of the component cultures. Today's diversity wants foreign cultures to come here but stay in their unmixed forms hence the 'salad bowl' - each community embraces only its own particular culture without regard for the larger American culture or the cultures of other ethnic communities in America... therefore the separate sects and ethnic communities here find it harder and harder to relate to each other.I agree with that actually, The USA should promote inter-ethnic bridges instead of communautarism. I'm sorry I may not have fully understood the idea from the start.

What many fail to realize is that without illegals doing low wage, sometimes dangerous jobs that noone else want's to do, the economy would pretty much go down the drain. Like it or not, we RELY on illegal Mexican Immigrants to keep the economy afloat.



Find some white people who are what I'll deem "Chronically unemployed", stick a bayonet six inches from their back and say "Get working!". Also prison labor, etc. Don't forget, when we reform the welfare system (reform=abolish) that there will be millions forced to start looking for jobs.

Find some white people who are what I'll deem "Chronically unemployed", stick a bayonet six inches from their back and say "Get working!". Also prison labor, etc. Don't forget, when we reform the welfare system (reform=abolish) that there will be millions forced to start looking for jobs.Oops, you've just slipped into complete madness.

Oops, you've just slipped into complete madness.



No, it would be madness to allow the lazy and weak to breed and multiply exponentially while the strong have only 1-2 kids because they give their money in taxes that go to subsidize the weak and lazy. We need to stop subsidizing the breeding of the unfit.

No, it would be madness to allow the lazy and weak to breed and multiply exponentially while the strong have only 1-2 kids because they give their money in taxes that go to subsidize the weak and lazy. We need to stop subsidizing the breeding of the unfit.You just need to stop raping the poor and get that shit out of your head.

Cutting welfare won't raise employment levels. No wants to be on welfare. No one is able to sustain any meaningful existance solely on the minimal largesse of the state, which doesn't come close to paying a living wage. And, of course, as it's currently in place welfare runs out eventually anyway.

Bayonets and prison labor.. what you're essentially proposing are forced labor camps, the same tactics used by the Stalinists and Maoists you despise. That might be acceptable in a police state, but not in a country trying to maintain at least the veneer of democracy.

You just need to stop raping the poor and get that shit out of your head.

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Dr. Elmer Pendell

This thought-provoking book might explain some of the paradoxes of modern Western societies, such as that of an increasing burden of tax being paid by a diminishing number of productive people, for less apparent benefit. Those who can, do. Those who cannot, become employees of the state and local governments. They become an ever-increasing burden on the diminishing number of productive people. They tend to vote for parties of high taxation in order to provide themselves with employment and inflation-proof pensions. The “mob” votes for its bread and circuses.
In this, his latest and most significant book, Dr. Elmer Pendell examines the most crucial demographic phenomenon of our age—the accelerating decline of our institutions and our way of life caused by the higher reproduction rates of those who should reproduce least. Perhaps Pendell’s most important contribution to modern thought—a contribution which comes through strongly in this volume—is his linkage of the inherited social drives of individuals to the almost universal tolerance extended to socially intolerable birthrate differences.

Cutting welfare won't raise employment levels. No wants to be on welfare. No one is able to sustain any meaningful existance solely on the minimal largesse of the state, which doesn't come close to paying a living wage. And, of course, as it's currently in place welfare runs out eventually anyway.

Bayonets and prison labor.. what you're essentially proposing are forced labor camps, the same tactics used by the Stalinists and Maoists you despise. That might be acceptable in a police state, but not in a country trying to maintain at least the veneer of democracy.

Welfare bums often find ways to cheat the system, they claim more dependents, they get their wife onto the system and a few other systems. And many of them realize they're so low and inferior, they'd have nothing if it were not for welfare, thus they love the welfare because they know they are no better than the bum they are.

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Why Civilizations Self-Destruct

by

Dr. Elmer Pendell

This thought-provoking book might explain some of the paradoxes of modern Western societies, such as that of an increasing burden of tax being paid by a diminishing number of productive people, for less apparent benefit. Those who can, do. Those who cannot, become employees of the state and local governments. They become an ever-increasing burden on the diminishing number of productive people. They tend to vote for parties of high taxation in order to provide themselves with employment and inflation-proof pensions. The “mob” votes for its bread and circuses.
In this, his latest and most significant book, Dr. Elmer Pendell examines the most crucial demographic phenomenon of our age—the accelerating decline of our institutions and our way of life caused by the higher reproduction rates of those who should reproduce least. Perhaps Pendell’s most important contribution to modern thought—a contribution which comes through strongly in this volume—is his linkage of the inherited social drives of individuals to the almost universal tolerance extended to socially intolerable birthrate differences.
So you suggest cutting welfare. What will that lead us to?
Less consumers -> less need for production -> mass unemployment -> colapse of the country.

You didn't listen to the main point, did you? Welfare DOESN'T PAY ENOUGH TO LIVE ON. Not really. And it runs out. There are no welfare bums who are capable of simply staying on the dole and feeding off the government until their dieing day. Also, while abuse of welfare occurs, it's not nearly on as widespread a scale as you seem to imply. No more people cheat welfare than people who cheat the DMV or any other government agency.

You know, I used to think you were just playing as a totally batshit country, and that was that.. which is fine. NS roleplay needs psychoes once in awhile. But more and more, I'm starting to think that you think the way RP Communist Mississippi is run is a tenable and even desireable system.

I'll tell you where you should cut. Cut into the fat asses doing nothing and spending their days tanning on the beach with prostitutes and snorting cocaïn while their stock shares copulate.

You didn't listen to the main point, did you? Welfare DOESN'T PAY ENOUGH TO LIVE ON. Not really. And it runs out. There are no welfare bums who are capable of simply staying on the dole and feeding off the government until their dieing day. Also, while abuse of welfare occurs, it's not nearly on as widespread a scale as you seem to imply. No more people cheat welfare than people who cheat the DMV or any other government agency.

You know, I used to think you were just playing as a totally batshit country, and that was that.. which is fine. NS roleplay needs psychoes once in awhile. But more and more, I'm starting to think that you think the way RP Communist Mississippi is run is a tenable and even desireable system.


Most of the people that are "dirt poor" are so because they can't make it. It doesn't matter if they're white, black, etc, if you can't make it, we dont' need to waste resources on you to the detriment of those fit to make it.

Most of the people that are "dirt poor" are so because they can't make it. It doesn't matter if they're white, black, etc, if you can't make it, we dont' need to waste resources on you to the detriment of those fit to make it.
And why should we waste resources on fat asses?

And why should we waste resources on fat asses?


Many people who are wealthy obtained their wealth through toil and work. Also many inherited the money from parents and grandparents, both acceptable ways to obtain wealth.

And why should we waste resources on fat asses?


I must agree with your implications, a great deal of CEOs are worthless scum. Donald Trump, Mike Eisner, Jack Welsh, etc.

Many people who are wealthy obtained their wealth through toil and work. Also many inherited the money from parents and grandparents, both acceptable ways to obtain wealth.Many obtained their money from the stock market.

I must agree with your implications, a great deal of CEOs are worthless scum. Donald Trump, Mike Eisner, Jack Welsh, etc.
And the sad fact is that they don't just reveice a welfare, they receive 1 billion welfares each. Remove just the 5 top fat asses and you've got enough resource to sustain as many immigrants as you can ever imagine.

What we would be doing is building a homogenous state by establishing strict regulations on who could and could not live in said state. And the other nations would do the same thing.

YOu call that the American dream? No I know your crazy.

And how, exactly, is that any different from what we would be doing? There is no common religion, culture, etc. and never has been.
I'm not defending the author, but I'd have to disagree with you. We've always been a predominantly protestant nation. It's been the source of our founders, our elite, our work ethic, and it's been our main cultural engine. It's highlighted by the fact that this is the first year in American history that Protestants make less than 50% of the nation.

You know CM, Its interesting you should mention the Civil war. In effect isnt the south a different culture from the north. They are both American but they seem to get along. I agree that inter-cultural dialouge is needed. but its just not Parctical to expel illegal immigrants.

And I can assure you that that guy "Elmer Pendell" is full of Bs. He says Illegals Actively support parties of High taxation, Which is a veiled swipe at the democrats. And seems to imply that its some kind of well thought out Strategy. Most of Amercas poor support Republicans. And not because they want to, because the republicans come chasing after thier vote, not Visa Verca.