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I dont know about yall but I think Mormons are pretty cool.

I dont know about yall but I think Mormons are pretty cool.

I think all in all they are good-hearted people but (surprise surprise) I disagree with a lot of their beliefs.

Fair enough? ;)

aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh mormons


they're like a little brother to me :D

Speaking of Mormons, where has Raysia/Capsule Corp. gone?

Is he gone for good?

Mormans are cool, they put such a high priority on their families that even if you don't believe in the religion it is still a good policy to put such a high value on family

I hear they are very anti-gay which is bad and I also here there is lots of incest in Salt Lake City because mormon boys and mormon girls outside of a family are never allowed to meet.

Way too strict in my opinion … and I have spent a few months with a Mormon family
I have never seen a kid so demoralized and so degraded in my life.

Seen their little girl play in a neighbors sandbox once with the neighbor boy … she got hit then sent to her room without meals for two days then was never allowed out of the house the rest of my stay (two more months) except for church

All their “friends” in the church were like that also

Three or four family’s I had seen stuff that I would find un acceptable COMPLETELY and some close to illegal acts.

Now I am not trying to stereotype but they left a very bad impression on what their faith means … very bad.

(though I am not the religious type so none of it would fit with me) but still

Way too strict in my opinion … and I have spent a few months with a Mormon family
I have never seen a kid so demoralized and so degraded in my life.

Seen their little girl play in a neighbors sandbox once with the neighbor boy … she got hit then sent to her room without meals for two days then was never allowed out of the house the rest of my stay (two more months) except for church

All their “friends” in the church were like that also

Three or four family’s I had seen stuff that I would find un acceptable COMPLETELY and some close to illegal acts.

Now I am not trying to stereotype but they left a very bad impression on what their faith means … very bad.

(though I am not the religious type so none of it would fit with me) but still

That sounds harsh...

Those annoying idiots in white who doorknock trying to convert me to a religion which is more conservative than Lutheran Protestantism and Roman Catholism?

It's funny the word Mormon is based on the name of the angel Moroni who appeared to Joseph Smith. Logically it should have been "Moron". Of course, Mormonism sounds better than than Moronism if you want sell a religion.

Those annoying idiots in white who doorknock trying to convert me to a religion which is more conservative than Lutheran Protestantism and Roman Catholism?

It's funny the word Mormon is based on the name of the angel Moroni who appeared to Joseph Smith. Logically it should have been "Moron". Of course, Mormonism sounds better than than Moronism if you want sell a religion.

I will defiantly have to remember to call it by its true derivative name :) lol

Naw I don’t want to stereotype … just the fact that everything I saw associated with the religion was harsh … it wasn’t for me. And I feel sorry for the kids who do not CHOOSE to be in a religion like that.
If you convert … so be it, but it just seems rather hard on the children … not being let to be children or play or have fun

I mean they have their own sorts of games intra family and such … and I am sure they found them fun … but I have a feeling that is because they honestly haven’t experienced anything else

Sad

Just remember that there are mormons out there and some may be on the board so please no matter how you may feel, I ask you in the name of diplomacy that if something you think is harsh, you can say that, but don't call anyone an idiot or morons, because if this gets into a mean religious discussion it is never going to go anywhere

While the outward goals of the religion are fine, if not admirable (family, community, etc.) some of the background and inner workings seem a little frightening.

If you read some of the info published by third-parties (which I admit is often planned as propaganda, but I never see refuted) these people really come across as more cultish and seem far closer to scientology than any main stream religion. Supposedly, God lives on some known other planet and they all become gods after they die, each with their own planet to lord over. Yikes! And that's without even going into the incest or polygamy of the fundamentalists...

But the South Park Mormon episode was hilarious!

did you know Mormonism was created by a supposedly former Freemason?

kinda makes you think huh?

(EDIT: I guess you would like some linkage)

http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemasons/mormons01.html

http://www.bloomington.in.us/~lgthscac/mormonism.htm

I also here there is lots of incest in Salt Lake City because mormon boys and mormon girls outside of a family are never allowed to meet.
dude salt lake city near houston 'Casue i haven't heard about any thing like that.

While the outward goals of the religion are fine, if not admirable (family, community, etc.) some of the background and inner workings seem a little frightening.

If you read some of the info published by third-parties (which I admit is often planned as propaganda, but I never see refuted) these people really come across as more cultish and seem far closer to scientology than any main stream religion. Supposedly, God lives on some known other planet and they all become gods after they die, each with their own planet to lord over. Yikes! And that's without even going into the incest or polygamy of the fundamentalists...

But the South Park Mormon episode was hilarious!
you are slightly miss informed they have to know the seven phrases that get them into heaven they only become gods if they are on the seventh (i think its seven), normal christains are supposed to get the first layer, as well as bad mormons.

Those same mormons that used to piss me off every second day telling me i'm going to hell while i was waiting for my train?

Heh, I fixed them. The train station was private property, and a little complaint by me and a few others resulted in them not coming to convert people there anymore :)

Oh yeah....mormons. They piss me off. Though I had a few amusing exchanges with them in which they didnt seem to understand my joke.

"Have you heard about us before"
"Yeah, you were on that show South Park once."


"So, what do you think about God?"
"He's my favourite fictional character." (rip-off of the Simpsons :))

refering to an episode of 60 minutes that there is a fundanmentalist group of Mormons in Arizona that have basically sealed themselves off from the rest of the world, but the main mormon church does not recognize them. You could always make the arguement that the wacko in Waco was catholic, every religion has their strange fundamentalists.

yet another of the many many links that claims mormonism was created by a freemason.

http://www.helpingmormons.org/mormonism_and_masonry.htm

From what I have read, there are uncanny similarities. It would make sense because religion is the best way to control people, and The Freemasons have control down pat.

did you know Mormonism was created by a supposedly former Freemason?

kinda makes you think huh?

(EDIT: I guess you would like some linkage)

http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemasons/mormons01.html

http://www.bloomington.in.us/~lgthscac/mormonism.htm

Wait, lemme guess.... there's a connection between the Masons and the Keebler Elves trying to take over the minds of decent people and convert them to the Mormon New World Order?

Oh, I guess I should read this first before making fun of it.

Those annoying idiots in white who doorknock trying to convert me to a religion which is more conservative than Lutheran Protestantism and Roman Catholism?

It's funny the word Mormon is based on the name of the angel Moroni who appeared to Joseph Smith. Logically it should have been "Moron". Of course, Mormonism sounds better than than Moronism if you want sell a religion.


Now, I normally don't hit the forums at all, but I do like to read about people making fools of themselves. This subject hits home particularly. Jeruselem, the word Mormon is not based at all on the angel Moroni. They are two entirely different people. According to the faith, Moroni did appear to Joseph Smith. Mormon was his father, the man who compiled the religious writings of the Ancient Americas and formed the Book of Mormon. That is why the term "Mormons" came about. Logically, since the church's name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", the people would be called Christians. Unfortunately, misinformed, condescending, and sterotyping people of similar beliefs cannot stand to think that someone could truly believe in Jesus Christ, and also in a piece of religious writing besides the Bible. In the future, if you're going to call an entire people "annoying idiots" and "morons", just say it. Don't try to be clever about it, especially when you have incorrect information. You're not an ignorant person. Don't make yourself look that way.

Trakken and Star Shadow are also misinformed. But yes, the South Park Mormon episode was indeed hilarious.

Now thats the best reply I have read all day :D

Logically, since the church's name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", the people would be called Christians. Unfortunately, misinformed, condescending, and sterotyping people of similar beliefs cannot stand to think that someone could truly believe in Jesus Christ, and also in a piece of religious writing besides the Bible..
I never feel like that they are going to heaven with me just they are so very wrong about the book of mormon, the still confessed to beliving in jesus christ now the International Church Of Christ that is a diffrent story.

I wonder if anyone knows if the LDS church has refuted the claim that Joseph Smith and some of the others that first headed the Mormon church were Freemasons.

To be fair, I think it's important to remember that Mormonism is probably the only major religion in America whose past is totally within the scope of the Scientific Revolution. There's really no ability for myth and magic in our minds for something that happened in the 1800s; the same things we trust about Christianity, etc. are harder to believe in something that's just so young.

Interesting opinions

refering to an episode of 60 minutes that there is a fundanmentalist group of Mormons in Arizona that have basically sealed themselves off from the rest of the world, but the main mormon church does not recognize them. You could always make the arguement that the wacko in Waco was catholic, every religion has their strange fundamentalists.

You are right we dont recognize them because they dont worshipthe way we do, they dont have the same leader we do, and they dont have much of the same beliefs we do.

I wonder if anyone knows if the LDS church has refuted the claim that Joseph Smith and some of the others that first headed the Mormon church were Freemasons.
Something for you SB:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp

What would we do without Christianity's cuddliest, fluffiest fundementalist?

I like that comic strip :) (though I find most religions hypocritical) this does a good job pointing out some in Mormonism

Something for you SB:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp

What would we do without Christianity's cuddliest, fluffiest fundementalist?

hehe thanks that Chick guy cracks me up.

But do any mormons here know if the Church refutes the claims that the founders were Freemasons.

I thought Orgazmo was hilarious.

Let us discuss the mormom belief surrounding Cain and what his punishment was.

1) there is good and bad in all groups. its silly to judge a group of people as if they were all the same.

2) those wackos in waco would could then be called seventh day adventists, since the branch davidians are an offshoot of that sect.

3) it is most instructive to read about how joseph smith translated the golden plates. i also found it very amusing to read about the circumstances surrounding the original accpetance of polygamy in the church. google it. they are both worth the time to look up.

ah mormonism - the religion where you have to believe a large number of obviously false and silly things. not even obscure or tangental things, but core beliefs that are just factually wrong about the history of the americas and the hebrews. and that's on top of the already silly nature of a religion made up by a guy in the 1800s.

I don't advocate religious intolerance, but from what I've read and learned about the Mormon faith, is that they are the strongest and more adamant advocates of intolerance in the world.

It's a shame that God's Word is used in such a slanderous and misconstrued way.

I don't know too much about Mormons, but from what I do know I think that they are a little too strict and too old-fashioned.

I don't know too much about Mormons, but from what I do know I think that they are a little too strict and too old-fashioned.


O.K. I lived in Salt Lake City, bad idea.
Her is the belief, God has human characteristics and a wife. Jesus is the child of God and his other wife MARY. This is why traditional mormons are allowed to take on additional wives. (In the tradition also of Abraham etc.)
The afterlife is an extension of the family so, the more people you have in it the more super natural and higher into heaven you go. There are three levels, the lowest being for non religous and or "evil" people, the second for misguided but of the christian religion and those who the upper level mormons have praid (even after death) to get into that heaven, the top heaven for total law abiding mormons who don't get eutopia even if they reach there because there job is to go and convert the lower heavens (family members) into full mormons and bring them up with them. So, they are still spreading the word even in heaven.

O.K. I lived in Salt Lake City, bad idea.
Her is the belief, God has human characteristics and a wife. Jesus is the child of God and his other wife MARY. This is why traditional mormons are allowed to take on additional wives. (In the tradition also of Abraham etc.)
The afterlife is an extension of the family so, the more people you have in it the more super natural and higher into heaven you go. There are three levels, the lowest being for non religous and or "evil" people, the second for misguided but of the christian religion and those who the upper level mormons have praid (even after death) to get into that heaven, the top heaven for total law abiding mormons who don't get eutopia even if they reach there because there job is to go and convert the lower heavens (family members) into full mormons and bring them up with them. So, they are still spreading the word even in heaven.

Sounds more complicated than it is really worth.

Mormons are free to believe whatever they like. That said, I have a general problem with religious exclusivism, and an even bigger problem with aggressive prostelization. The most offensive Mormon practice to me is the ongoing baptism of the dead, including Jewish Holocaust victims.

I have spoken to a couple of Mormons about this issue, and have yet to receive any satisfactory response. When I mentioned this to Raysia several months ago, the conversation ended with him saying something to the effect of, "Well, we're not going to stop and I'm going to personally baptize you after you're dead".

Charming. What more can you say about a faith that has so much respect for other religions and sensibilities? :rolleyes:

I agree with them religion wise about half of the way. Politically I suppose most of the time. Most are very nice people and great families to they have great family lives/structure and of course they are damn good businessmen and many are very devout if not fanatical with their faith which is also a so-so part of them as a group. Lots of them live here in Idaho, sucks being an "outsider" I wasn't born and raised here all of my life and I am not mormon those two things can hurt you a bit here

Man so many lies in the "The Visitors"
Jesus was a man, not God. If she meant God as the Godhood then sure, one of the members was.

If Jesus wasn't a man but a spirit then he couldn't have been crucified.

Heavenly Father has but one wife, Heavenly Mother.
Jesus may or may not have more than one. People say the two sisters(Mary and Martha) that had the brother Lazurus married him but its just stories.

Who says Heaven isn't a planet lol, no really where is heaven a planet could hold all those spirits.

Yes, Revelations says Satan and Jesus are spiriit brothers, Satan moreso since has no body.

Don't believe a word of Bruce McConkie, he was excommunicated for adultry and other sins. He is angry they kicked him out for not being sorry.

Very funny, the lies and other misinfiormation.
Yes, South Park episode was great!

About Baptism for the Dead: its done for you so you have the same chance the rest of us have of getting into heaven everyone else does. Even Jesus had to be baptised to return to heaven.

Hmm, let's see. A religion that believes in a mortal man seeing plates that told him to get rich (take ten percent of his followers money) and get a lot of women (polygamy). A religion that says you can't date outside the church. A religion that dictates what you do with your money and your free time. A religion that says you have to go on a mission for a year whether you like it or not. That you have to have lots of babies whether you like it or not. That you have to go to church and donate your money and walk their hallowed halls whether you like it or not. A religion that pretty muchly treats outsiders like dirt.

No, no I do not like the Mormons at all.

Hmm, let's see. A religion that believes in a mortal man seeing plates that told him to get rich (take ten percent of his followers money) and get a lot of women (polygamy). A religion that says you can't date outside the church. A religion that dictates what you do with your money and your free time. A religion that says you have to go on a mission for a year whether you like it or not. That you have to have lots of babies whether you like it or not. That you have to go to church and donate your money and walk their hallowed halls whether you like it or not. A religion that pretty muchly treats outsiders like dirt.

No, no I do not like the Mormons at all.

Actually you have a choice and its two years. Missions aren't for everyone.

Church doesnt' say you can't date outside of church, that is parents beliefs not churches.
God has asked for a tithe since old testament, why are you robbing him? (just to quote the bible)

If you have a calling in church, then I guess you lose free time but then again shouldn't a christian follow their Lord's wishes?

No, the church doesn't say you must have lots of babies, that is gain personal beliefs. People get confused I guess.

Um don't you have to go to church in all Christian religions? Never have they treated outsiders as dirt...

That ten percent, is used to feed the poor and destitute, fund churches, build temples, and give church welfare for all that ask (even non-LDS people) A bishop is a bishop of the whole area not just members.

About Baptism for the Dead: its done for you so you have the same chance the rest of us have of getting into heaven everyone else does. Even Jesus had to be baptised to return to heaven.

That's how you see it. It looks a lot different to (some) non-Mormons. Particularly when you don't ask for permission. And you're doing it to people who suffered or were killed because of their religion.

My biggest issue is the fact that the LDS church leadership made an agreement with Jewish groups to both stop baptizing Jews and to remove them from the IGI- neither of which they have done.

It's one thing to baptize the dead- very disrespectful, IMO, but theoretically understandable. It's something else entirely to just blatantly lie in order to get critics off your back.

I have lost any respect for the church on this issue.

I dont know about yall but I think Mormons are pretty cool.
OK, you should watch the Mormon episode of South Park. SO HILARIOUS! Makes fun of mormons so funnily.

It's one thing to baptize the dead- very disrespectful, IMO, but theoretically understandable. It's something else entirely to just blatantly lie in order to get critics off your back.

eh, without lying their religion loses its very basis, so it's probably just second nature to the church leaders.

I only have one objection to Mormons, and that is that so many of them have so many kids. The fact of the matter is there aren't enough resources for everybody to survive if people, Mormon or not, keep having 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 or more kids. It's not fair to make people in third world countries die of starvation because you want a herd of children. There's no valid excuse for that.

You guys should watch the episode of southpark (which is hilarious) based on the book of mormon (which is horrible). But it does go to show that anyone can claim themselves a profit of god and countless people will follow you. *cough*Jim and Tammy Fay Baker*cough*. T.V. Evangelists really get me cause having to pay for a religion is wrong*cough 700 club, where dont you have to pay seven hundred dollars to be a member*cough*. Why do they think Jesus overturned the money changers at the temple?? Whatevah whatevah they do what they want. Oh another thing is the bible tells them to follow government laws unless its in direct violation gods. Well there are entire towns where almost everyone if not everyone is related because of incest and polygamy, more polygamy.