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There are only two conclusions that can be drawn from what we are all witness to.

One, that President Bush has not been going all out after Osama, but only now, years after the fact, is finally getting around to going after the man responsible for 9/11 – which makes his main campaign claim, that his response to 9/11 is an immensely strong point – completely reverse, and instead brings up the reality that, if he really hasn’t been going after Osama all out, and only now is, finally, “increasing” efforts to catch him, that he should be impeached for failure of his basic duties as Commander-in-Chief.

Now while the above scenario is possible, that the President has completely neglected to put all of our effort into the actual War on Terror, instead being diverted by other things like Iraq, and so he is an absolute disgrace as a Commander-in-Chief – even though this scenario is possible, it seems highly unlikely.* It is simply not believable that President Bush has not had our military doing everything under our power to find and capture Osama – or that our military would have stood quietly for anything but an all out effort.

So that brings us to the second option.* That Osama is already caught, and what you are witnessing now is just the non-M/I media being played – as usual – to create a subtle enough storyline so when Osama is dragged out of wherever he has been held by us it seems genuine and not orchestrated for political purposes.

It is simply not believable that efforts to catch Osama are just being increased now.* It is simply not believable that only now is an offensive being launched to catch Osama.* It is simply not believable that suddenly – with no actual change in the situation regarding Osama suddenly the hunt for him is front page news everyday.* It is simply unbelievable that, having known the region where Osama is supposedly hiding for years now, things are just “heating up” in perfect timing for Bush re-election purposes.

The thing about truly professional liars is that they tell lies so boldly, obviously transparent.* An amateur liar is careful not to lie to obviously – these professionals know the bigger, more obvious the lie, the more people will believe it as they will think, “Oh, come on, they wouldn’t do something so obvious.”




To sum it up, Osama could be already caught, and won't be revealed until the election, to try and send an emergency bump on Bush's polls.


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its known he wasnt going after osama, like he was saddam. He even admitted it on national television, ( fahrenheit 911 )
the fact he had 6k troops in afghanistan, while there were 130k in iraq further prooves this point.

This is why I can't be a liberal:

You people will do anything to stop Bush just like Conservatives will do anything to stop Kerry, it's sick.

It wouldn't suprise me if that did happen. I swear, in the weeks before the election, we will either have some major event to help Bush. In the order of most likely to least:

-The capture or killing of Osama Bin Laden or other terrorist leaders
-A war with Iran or Syria
-Another Terrorist attack (could scare the people into voting for Bush)
-A small economic upturn, followed by a major market crash following the election.
-Economic recovery (Least likely)

There are a couple of things that will work in Kerry's favor, however.
-Massive rebellion/possible overthrow in Iraq or Afghanistan
-Steep economic downturn
-A war with Iran or Syria (We could see massive anger towards the war and resentment towards the administration)
-Another terrorist attack (Could bring up suspicions of intel failure, possible insider knowllege.)

This is why I can't be a liberal:

You people will do anything to stop Bush just like Conservatives will do anything to stop Kerry, it's sick.

I think what you really mean is "this is why I cannot be a democrat"

liberalism =/= being a democrat

I haven't really got time to review the info, but I'm sceptical, simply because it's too big a risk to wait till late oct/nov

Most people can put two and two together, they would call the bluff.

The reason they haven't claimed to have got him yet is mainly because they probably don't have him, this probably as a result of the Bush administration's ineptitude (War in Iraq is the best example).

People here have been saying that since the "War on Terror" began..

I, for one, would expect another terrorist attack/war/capturing of Osama. Bush has used dirty tactics throughout his life, why should he stop doing so now?

Because he wants the best for the American people?.... LMFAO...

Heh, this is why there should be a moderate candidate >.>

Hard, but it really would make the overall crowd very happy...

It wouldn't suprise me if that did happen. I swear, in the weeks before the election, we will either have some major event to help Bush. In the order of most likely to least:

-The capture or killing of Osama Bin Laden or other terrorist leaders
-A war with Iran or Syria
-Another Terrorist attack (could scare the people into voting for Bush)
-A small economic upturn, followed by a major market crash following the election.
-Economic recovery (Least likely)

There are a couple of things that will work in Kerry's favor, however.
-Massive rebellion/possible overthrow in Iraq or Afghanistan
-Steep economic downturn
-A war with Iran or Syria (We could see massive anger towards the war and resentment towards the administration)
-Another terrorist attack (Could bring up suspicions of intel failure, possible insider knowllege.)

I think when kerry agrees and justifies the iraq war for bush, that it doesnt help kerrys prospects much either. The major things that will help bush, is if kerry keeps doing that! as well as the republican convention, the capture of osama, or peace in iraq.

An iranian war would not be good. It would further proove he is a war mongerer, and i dont think the resolution would pass considering were 450billion dollars in debt, have 70% of our troops deployed, stoke nk's fears of being attacked.and still arent out of afghanistan our iraq.

our iraq.
typo?

This is why I can't be a liberal:

You people will do anything to stop Bush just like Conservatives will do anything to stop Kerry, it's sick.

what about us middle-ground folks who think both of them suck? why does everything have to be all-left or all-right winged?
*sighs and gives up on humans... again*
:sniper:

what about us middle-ground folks who think both of them suck? why does everything have to be all-left or all-right winged?
*sighs and gives up on humans... again*
:sniper:

I'm a moderate too, you think I like Bush? :rolleyes:

what about us middle-ground folks who think both of them suck? why does everything have to be all-left or all-right winged?
*sighs and gives up on humans... again*
:sniper:


Ahh, the wonders of a two party system...

typo?

hah ya'll are hardcore with correcting typo's in this forum, i mean OR iraq : )
my bad

You know, if that actually did happen with Osama. I would hope that Americans would be so angry they would rise up and depose Bush themselves. I mean, the man is such a cheat, and it has been proved that he lies so often it is almost a joke. If this happens it will be the last straw - I will go an Kill George Bush myself.

And I probably alerted Secret Service by posting that but, hey.

This is why I can't be a liberal:

You people will do anything to stop Bush just like Conservatives will do anything to stop Kerry, it's sick.


By that same logic, you couldnt be a conservative either.

Us liberals win!

Of course there could always be something more the US Army or whatever instance could be doing to catch Osama. Maybe the income tax should be raised to 100% and all the proceeds spent on catching Osama. Now, why aren't we seeing this? Oh, and start the draft. We need more soldiers chasing him!

If I were running the hunt for osama I would not want to capture him right away. No, I would follow him around, hitting the cells he went to and forcing him to continue moving, forcing Al Quida to use up resources to protect their leader, finding out where the cells are, and closing them down. Think about it. Then look at who's leading the hunt for osama. Not an operations specialist, an inteligence specialist. Makes you wonder if maybe our/my goverment is doing something right.

typo?

Or not after all Bush most likely went into iraq for oil

It's stuff like this that makes me want to move to Canada.

He cannot capture him yet. We need to invade Iran and Syria and now we have afganistan so we can build an oil pipline through all those countries to the meditereanean, sorry cannot spell. We would go through Izzy but that poor country it more unstable than Iraq is. This way oil companies do not have to pay for traveling around Africa or over Pacific. They have a straight shot into the heart of Euro-Asia oil. If someone attacked your family would you sit still for 3 years and wait for him to show up again? No, you would go after him as hard as you could untill you found him. :sniper: You would forget about everything else in the world. Doesnt Bush have ancestory to Englands Henry III. Did he not participate in pointless wars?? Maybe its genetics and cannot be helped. As as A Democrat I listen to both sides and then make a judgment. I have agreed with Republicans in the past on certain issues that were justifiable but I cannot think of anything to agree upon in this presidency......can anyone?

Bush might also be an artificial intelligence from the planet Sexxorz, come to save the Earth!


Oh, wait....

This is the biggest load of total crap I have ever heard...First Bush is in league with him, now he's got him secretly? Bullsh*t.

You know, if that actually did happen with Osama. I would hope that Americans would be so angry they would rise up and depose Bush themselves. I mean, the man is such a cheat, and it has been proved that he lies so often it is almost a joke. If this happens it will be the last straw - I will go an Kill George Bush myself.

And I probably alerted Secret Service by posting that but, hey.

If you must make death threats... please don't use this forum for it.

If you must make death threats... please don't use this forum for it.

Oh I'm sorry!

I didn't know real life and fictional made up things had become so blurred to you!

I think it's entertaining to watch the left's conspiracy theories morph over time. I mean, Bush would be pretty damn smart to do something like this, don't you think? And the same people who think he's going to do this are the ones who continuously reiterate his stupidity, with nothing more to back up their arguements than a couple of Freudian slips caught on television. You can't have it both ways.

You know what I think? I think that the left is trying to think of every possible scenario and present it in the form of a conspiracy. Why? Think about it! Now, if OBL is caught any time between today and November 2nd, they can cite this bullshit theory and say "I told you so".

Oh I'm sorry!

I didn't know real life and fictional made up things had become so blurred to you!Have you had a C.A.T. scan lately? That sounded pretty fucking serious to me.

its known he wasnt going after osama, like he was saddam. He even admitted it on national television, ( fahrenheit 911 )
the fact he had 6k troops in afghanistan, while there were 130k in iraq further prooves this point.


The reason there are more troops in Iraq is because... um gee IRAQ actually had a decent size army compared to Afghanistan.

Have you had a C.A.T. scan lately? That sounded pretty fucking serious to me.

I had a CAT scan for my back when I was little, but it turned up negative and revealed that I only had calcification over a preivous injury to my back, which means nothing apart from that I get back pains occasionally.

I'm sorry the Internet and Real Life are so blurred to you - but I gather it is not your fault, after all, some people are affected by the Internet in many ways, I watched a BBC Documentary about it once, maybe you fit into that category?

Have you had a C.A.T. scan lately? That sounded pretty fucking serious to me.


wow..

I had a CAT scan for my back when I was little, but it turned up negative and revealed that I only had calcification over a preivous injury to my back, which means nothing apart from that I get back pains occasionally.

I'm sorry the Internet and Real Life are so blurred to you - but I gather it is not your fault, after all, some people are affected by the Internet in many ways, I watched a BBC Documentary about it once, maybe you fit into that category?Sorry, pal, it's not going to be that easy for you. You can't just laugh off saying that you're going to kill someone. And I don't appreciate your attacking anyone and everyone who points it out.

Sorry, pal, it's not going to be that easy for you. You can't just laugh off saying that you're going to kill someone. And I don't appreciate your attacking anyone and everyone who points it out.

Ok, if it really floats your boat?

I will go after the next election and kill George W. Bush, as I have a gun and an airticket to America and night vision goggle and other stuff that will assist me, As I am 15, this will be alot easier because no one will expect me to do it. [/sarcasm]

Now go and annoy some other kids on the Internet you sad man.

Ok, if it really floats your boat?

I will go after the next election and kill George W. Bush, as I have a gun and an airticket to America and night vision goggle and other stuff that will assist me, As I am 15, this will be alot easier because no one will expect me to do it. [/sarcasm]

Now go and annoy some other kids on the Internet you sad man.


lmao. Thanks for the laughs :)

Ok, if it really floats your boat?

I will go after the next election and kill George W. Bush, as I have a gun and an airticket to America and night vision goggle and other stuff that will assist me, As I am 15, this will be alot easier because no one will expect me to do it. [/sarcasm]

Now go and annoy some other kids on the Internet you sad man.Har har.

Age is almost completely irrelevant. Watch "Death in Gaza" on HBO. There's a kid there no older than eight saying how "martyrdom is for young and old alike" and "why should they suspect me, I'm a little boy."

I wonder how close the CIA or NSA is to getting a lock on your position. :twisted:

If you are just a delusional kid, then I apologise (coulda fooled me!). Just learn to control your anger and not set off false alarms.

Har har.

Age is almost completely irrelevant. Watch "Death in Gaza" on HBO. There's a kid there no older than eight saying how "martyrdom is for young and old alike" and "why should they suspect me, I'm a little boy."

I wonder how close the CIA or NSA is to getting a lock on your position. :twisted:

HBO = Corporate Media = Right Wing = Pro Jewish...

Hah, I've just remembered who you remind me of, this kid at our school and one of my friends broke his pencil on purpose (when we were 11) because he didn't like him - the kid went in to the corner and cried for the entire lesson. I bet thats what you were like at school.

And could you stop harrassing me? I don't like it when men of 30, 40 odd start harrassing me on the Internet - For one, its very sad, but also you never know what people are like on The Internet, for all I know you could be some kind of child molester.

Then again, you could be completely normal, just dont push it.

HBO = Corporate Media = Right Wing = Pro Jewish...

Hah, I've just remembered who you remind me of, this kid at our school and one of my friends broke his pencil on purpose (when we were 11) because he didn't like him - the kid went in to the corner and cried for the entire lesson. I bet thats what you were like at school.

And could you stop harrassing me? I don't like it when men of 30, 40 odd start harrassing me on the Internet - For one, its very sad, but also you never know what people are like on The Internet, for all I know you could be some kind of child molester.

Then again, you could be completely normal, just dont push it.


OMG... now that was a flame

OMG... now that was a flame

Why?

You have to wary these days... very wary.

Why?

You have to wary these days... very wary.


I know that. I was referring more to the pencil breaking incident. :)

And could you stop harrassing me? I don't like it when men of 30, 40 odd start harrassing me on the Internet...
Then again, you could be completely normal, just dont push it.Um, I'm 18, and I don't get your pencil analogy.
I happen to agree, though. Let's just drop it.

hmmmm... are we back on topic?

To sum it up, Osama could be already caught, and won't be revealed until the election, to try and send an emergency bump on Bush's polls.

I like you're theory, and I've herd it many times before. Now I didn't read all the posts before replying, so I dont know if what I'm about to say has been said before.

You're wrong. Why? Well, the truth is, is that Osama Bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He died in December of 2001, and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. They also have found one of his kidneys. Usually you're not in good shape when you loose a kidney :).

Why the American government isn't releasing this information, I dont know. This new information could tie in with you're theory. They might be waiting to tell the truth about Osama right before the election. Making Bush look like a hero, therefor covering up the major deficet and loss of jobs, ect., ect.

Again, I appologise if someone already informed you of his death. I just have not got the time to read threw it all.

It wouldn't suprise me if that did happen. I swear, in the weeks before the election, we will either have some major event to help Bush. In the order of most likely to least:

-The capture or killing of Osama Bin Laden or other terrorist leaders
-A war with Iran or Syria
-Another Terrorist attack (could scare the people into voting for Bush)
-A small economic upturn, followed by a major market crash following the election.
-Economic recovery (Least likely)

Do you really think that Bush is going to wage war against Iran or Syria before the election? Do you really believe that this is more likely than Economic recovery?

According to polls published in the latest TIME magazine, people would be more likely to vote for Kerry, if likely to change their vote at all, if there were a terrorist attack on the USA before the election.

I like you're theory, and I've herd it many times before. Now I didn't read all the posts before replying, so I dont know if what I'm about to say has been said before.

You're wrong. Why? Well, the truth is, is that Osama Bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He died in December of 2001, and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. They also have found one of his kidneys. Usually you're not in good shape when you loose a kidney :).

Why the American government isn't releasing this information, I dont know. This new information could tie in with you're theory. They might be waiting to tell the truth about Osama right before the election. Making Bush look like a hero, therefor covering up the major deficet and loss of jobs, ect., ect.

Again, I appologise if someone already informed you of his death. I just have not got the time to read threw it all.Then where are these new OBL communiques coming from? They are his voice, and they discuss current events.

Listening to people espouse their conspiracy theorys about this topic, reminds me of all the useless dipsticks that used to post about the first beheading being a fake, right down to, "Look! It's the same uniforms and plastic chairs from Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison! OMG... GI's are beheading people!" Then there was another beheading, and another, hostage after hostage being taken and murdered, and suddenly, all the friggin' loud mouth muck-rakers have to shut the hell up about THAT vast right-wing conspiracy theory.

The same thing is about to happen again with this slice of paranoia and yet another vast right-wing conspiracy theory to push. With people who wish doom & gloom on this country and/or its current Administration, and in an effort to accomplish those means, It's very self serving to contimplate and anticipate the best possible forseeable events that would possibly assist President Bush and the Republican party in this clutch home stretch to the election. Debunk those best possible forseeable events before they actually may (or may-not happen), in a feeble and desperate attempt to minimize the affirmative gains made by doing something great, if it were to happen, and it's gotta be true, we must have had him all along.

It's very convenient that, if by some strange twist of events, Osama is actually captured anytime between now and the election, it'll all fit the conspiracy theory very nicely, simply because it happens at a fortunate time. And if it doesn't happen, you'll just prove again how utterly deep into empty space your heads are buried... again.

not even george bush is so shallow (or is it callow?) as to keep obl hidden until the election. no american president would do that, and if he did, it would be a political disaster for him

what im really thinking is....

its not like they would have him in the basement of the white house with only george and dick knowing about it. he would be out in afghanistan somewhere and a few hundred soldiers of varying ranks would know about it. out of those hundreds, ONE would be so disgusted by it that they would find a way to sneak the info out to family or reporters. you cant keep a secret like that, not even in the wilds of afghanistan.

not even george bush is so shallow (or is it callow?) as to keep obl hidden until the election. no american president would do that, and if he did, it would be a political disaster for him

what im really thinking is....

its not like they would have him in the basement of the white house with only george and dick knowing about it. he would be out in afghanistan somewhere and a few hundred soldiers of varying ranks would know about it. out of those hundreds, ONE would be so disgusted by it that they would find a way to sneak the info out to family or reporters. you cant keep a secret like that, not even in the wilds of afghanistan.

That and every intelligence service in the world which keeps tabs on Al-Qaeda chatter would begin picking up tidbits of conversation which would start including phrases like..

"OH DEAR GOD! THEY GOT THE CHIEF!"

or

"Damn it all! Cancel *this or that *" many times because the cover or knowledge would have been blown

Seriously, if Russian intel (which is probably still more competant than the CIA) picked that up, they'd probably expose it in the open...unless we send men to chechnya or give them aid or something or other.

Then where are these new OBL communiques coming from? They are his voice, and they discuss current events.

The new ones were 95% prooven fake by Swiss scientists. All the real ones were recorded before December of 2001."The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead."

You might also want to see this: http://www.rense.com/general12/ld.htm

And President Bush has hinted in private that bin Laden's silence could mean he has been killed.

They think that he died a quiet "natural" death. He had signifagant illnesses and could not be treated in a hospital. The tapes released showed how ill he was and doctors suggest that he could not have survived with out treatment for this long.

The new ones were 95% prooven fake by Swiss scientists. All the real ones were recorded before December of 2001."The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead."

You might also want to see this: http://www.rense.com/general12/ld.htm

And President Bush has hinted in private that bin Laden's silence could mean he has been killed.

They think that he died a quiet "natural" death. He had signifagant illnesses and could not be treated in a hospital. The tapes released showed how ill he was and doctors suggest that he could not have survived with out treatment for this long.If it's true,
GOOD!
If it isn't confirmed, I guess Bush just doesn't want to jump the gun as people think he did with the WMD thing.
Do you have a source from a news site?