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America's Army

Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 07:28
America's Army (http://www.americasarmy.com)

Anyone here play? (It's a free download and is arguably the best FPS out there.)
Engelonde
11-08-2004, 08:29
Tried it out once. Don't particularly enjoy FPS, so threw it away. Since this game is a product of the U.S. army, quality is sort of ensured.
Kanabia
11-08-2004, 09:32
Ya know, I never tried this.

Uh...can you be on the opposing army?
Insane Troll
11-08-2004, 09:37
Good game, but Day of Defeat is by far the best FPS ever made.
Furor Atlantis
11-08-2004, 09:38
Argh, I just downloaded Medal of Honor: Breakthrough demo. Let me finish with that, and I'll check out A's A.
Kanabia
11-08-2004, 14:52
Oh man, I'm pissed off. I just downloaded all 750mb of it, plus the 25mb .net extensions needed to install a playerfinder or something, and it crashes to desktop without an error when I go to run the damn thing.

Grrr.
Renard
11-08-2004, 14:55
Ya know, I never tried this.

Uh...can you be on the opposing army?
I think both sides play as Americans and see the opposition as... "non Americans".
Biff Pileon
11-08-2004, 14:56
I play it...I like it....
Doomingsland
11-08-2004, 15:03
I've played it, its pretty fun when your trying to get enough points to play as special forces, after that, it gets boring....
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 16:54
Ya know, I never tried this.

Uh...can you be on the opposing army?
If you are on Defense, Assault looks like Mujahideen (or Afghans, or Iraqis, or terrorists, or Al Qaeda's, or whatever). If you on Assault, Defense looks like Mujahideen (or Afghans, or Iraqis, or terrorists, or Al Qaeda's, or whatever).
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 16:56
I've played it, its pretty fun when your trying to get enough points to play as special forces, after that, it gets boring....
Err... it doesn't take that long to get 15 honor (which is what you need to be SF). And I only will believe that you think it gets boring if you don't like the FPS genre at all.
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 16:56
I play it...I like it....
You in a clan? Are you good? How much training have you completed? And how much honor do you have?
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 22:09
I play it...I like it....
I guess a better question would be "Are you on AAOTracker and if so, what do I need to search for to find you?"
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 22:13
Tax payers dollars at work.

Did you know the Army is currently over 18 billion dollars over it's budget right now?

Still, it is an inventive recruiting tool. Granted, I still would have joined the navy even if this had been around when I enlisted but it's imaginative as hell.
Buechoria
11-08-2004, 22:16
Funny - I've played this game for a long time. (I'm still on 1.9! lol)

I have a clan (82nd Airborne!)

But..

I wanna join the Marines.

Nice job, Army
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 22:19
Funny - I've played this game for a long time. (I'm still on 1.9! lol)

I have a clan (82nd Airborne!)

But..

I wanna join the Marines.

Nice job, Army
Hrm...If you're still on 1.9.0...and you're still in a clan...are you sure that clan is still a clan? It's up to 2.1.0 now...and when I got it (December) it was 2.0.0 (I think)
Doomduckistan
11-08-2004, 22:20
Tax payers dollars at work.

Did you know the Army is currently over 18 billion dollars over it's budget right now?

Still, it is an inventive recruiting tool. Granted, I still would have joined the navy even if this had been around when I enlisted but it's imaginative as hell.

Yes, it is very inventive, ain't it?

If I were for some reason easily influenced, I don't know if this would make me join- If anything, I'd want to avoid firefights while I serve...
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 22:21
Yes, it is very inventive, ain't it?

If I were for some reason easily influenced, I don't know if this would make me join- If anything, I'd want to avoid firefights while I serve...
Well...I think the game is to meant to confuse kids into thinking they can actually go at it "rambo style" in real life.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 22:22
Funny - I've played this game for a long time. (I'm still on 1.9! lol)

I have a clan (82nd Airborne!)

But..

I wanna join the Marines.

Nice job, Army


Take it from a guy who had lived with Marines.....

Only join the marines if you are SERIOUSLY looking to be part of something bigger than yourself. One thing that doesn't fly too well with the Corps is disruptive individualism. When you become a marine you are a marine first, an American second, and your citizenship is a distant third. I'm not bashing Marines or the Corps, just saying that joining the marines as opposed to the navy, army, or those air force sissies is somthing that requires a lot of willingness to sacrifice some individuality, if you're going to join and be happy, that is.

If you do join Marines, then welcome aboard shipmate. (I Navy and Marines are a hand in hand thing. Till recently my divisions leading officer was a Marine Captain.)
Doomduckistan
11-08-2004, 22:26
Well...I think the game is to meant to confuse kids into thinking they can actually go at it "rambo style" in real life.

I'd like to think better of my peers, but considering TV and Video Games, I'd doubt they know better.

But anyone who thinks that would never make it in before they learn otherwise, anyhow.
Johnistan
11-08-2004, 22:26
They fuck you in the ass in the Marines.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 22:27
They fuck you in the ass in the Marines.

Never saw that on the recruiting commercial.
Buechoria
11-08-2004, 22:28
Opal, yes, and Nigh..

At my age, 13, all hopes and dreams of joining a certain group, government system, military division, etc. are subject to change.

But I think joining the Marines is an exception
Buechoria
11-08-2004, 22:29
Oh sweet gentle Jesus...
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 22:29
They fuck you in the ass in the Marines.
Can we please stay on topic and not flame? Thanks. (psst...Johnistan didn't start the diversion from the topic so that comment was not directed at him, however, the topic is America's Army (http://www.AmericasArmy.com), the game.)
TRP
11-08-2004, 22:33
I played it when it first came out and for a year after that when they introduced the new maps but then it was very compatible with the new maps and some could join them and others not and well thats basically when I stopped, but I still love the game, I was the head of Knights of Justice for those that played ALONG LONG time ago, was also head of the Knights of Justice HQ for all the UO shards, but again a long long time ago. If anyone here still plays AA, email me, maybe I will start again if there is a clan to join, we never had the honor thing before it was always fun playing long enough to get the M203. Email is Ringo_sparky1@yahoo.com
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 22:40
I played it when it first came out and for a year after that when they introduced the new maps but then it was very compatible with the new maps and some could join them and others not and well thats basically when I stopped, but I still love the game, I was the head of Knights of Justice for those that played ALONG LONG time ago, was also head of the Knights of Justice HQ for all the UO shards, but again a long long time ago. If anyone here still plays AA, email me, maybe I will start again if there is a clan to join, we never had the honor thing before it was always fun playing long enough to get the M203. Email is Ringo_sparky1@yahoo.com
Extreme Seal Team (http://www.xstz.co.uk/) -- My AA clan.
Of the council of clan
11-08-2004, 22:42
Bah don't listen to these guys

Join the Army, we're better :-p
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 22:45
Bah don't listen to these guys

Join the Army, we're better :-p

Are you in the army? What rank and MOS?
Of the council of clan
11-08-2004, 22:58
Are you in the army? What rank and MOS?


PV2, but i should be PFC come saturday or Sunday I'm up for Promotion

31B (used to be 95B) Military Police


HOOAH!
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 22:59
The subject, ladies and gentlemen, is America's Army (http://www.AmericasArmy.com).
The Sword and Sheild
11-08-2004, 23:03
Personally, Call of Duty is the best FPS out there.

And the Army is better than the marines ;)
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 23:05
Personally, Call of Duty is the best FPS out there.

And the Army is better than the marines ;)
How much does CoD cost though? $40? Is it $40 better than AA?
The Sword and Sheild
11-08-2004, 23:08
How much does CoD cost though? $40? Is it $40 better than AA?

Yes :)
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 23:10
Yes :)
How much AA have you played? I personally hated AA for like the first month of it...but I didn't feel like buying a new game, I hated RvS and GR was really old...

Eventually I got decent at it (despite a current 0.94 FR) and then the game became very enjoyable.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:12
PV2, but i should be PFC come saturday or Sunday I'm up for Promotion

31B (used to be 95B) Military Police


HOOAH!

We're talking about the army. Huuaah!

Good luck on that. I made third class petty officer a couple months ago but I'm already up for advancment again due to a pretty technicality. I'm a crypto-linguist (hence my rank being CTI3). I think it amounts to a (trying to remember here) 98Golf.
Of the council of clan
11-08-2004, 23:19
98G

hmmmm


It's either Commo, Analyst or Linguist Regardless its MI

I don't remember which one.

I do know that they go to the same post for Basic that I went for OSUT(Basic and AIT combined)
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 23:21
The subject, ladies and gentlemen, is America's Army (http://www.AmericasArmy.com).
Ahem...

Okay, I'm about to go play Pipeline with some -=XST=- boys. Y'all have fun posting.
Derscon
11-08-2004, 23:23
Would anyone care if I joined their clan and tought me a bit?

I registered awhile ago, but I never understood it.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:24
yeah, 98g. That's right. I don't know too much about the Army's system of designators. I know that you guys get cool little emblems for your BDU's (Navy is getting BDU's next year! whoop!) but I've never understood the rest. We just call each other by our job. A machinist mate petty officer 1st class is MM1. I'm a cryptologic technicion (interpretive) 3rd class so I'm a CTI3.
Colodia
11-08-2004, 23:25
tag
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 23:26
Would anyone care if I joined their clan and tought me a bit?

I registered awhile ago, but I never understood it.
Extreme Seal Team! (http://www.xstz.co.uk/)
Of the council of clan
11-08-2004, 23:27
yeah, 98g. That's right. I don't know too much about the Army's system of designators. I know that you guys get cool little emblems for your BDU's (Navy is getting BDU's next year! whoop!) but I've never understood the rest. We just call each other by our job. A machinist mate petty officer 1st class is MM1. I'm a cryptologic technicion (interpretive) 3rd class so I'm a CTI3.


the cool little emblems are only for officers on BDU's


on the right collar is their rank, on the left is Branch Insignia

We only wear Branch Insignia on our Green's if your enlisted.
And then is Right side US insignia, Left Side Branch, Shoulderboard Rank for Officers, Shoulder rank for enlisted, right now i'm a one striper and soon to have a nice little rocker under the Chevron.


though when on duty I wear a Brazzard on my Left Arm that says MP

but only MP's and Medic's really wear those.
Opal Isle
11-08-2004, 23:31
Can you two guys that aren't talking about America's Army (http://www.AmericasArmy.com), the game, please start a new thread? Thanks.
Of the council of clan
11-08-2004, 23:32
Can you two guys that aren't talking about America's Army (http://www.AmericasArmy.com), the game, please start a new thread? Thanks.

Screw the game, I've done a lot of that shit for real :-p j/k

Sorry for being off topic but it happens.
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:34
Can you two guys that aren't talking about America's Army (http://www.AmericasArmy.com), the game, please start a new thread? Thanks.

We ARE. We most certainly aren't talking about Frances Army.

Okay, I know what you're talking about council of clan. I've always thought that Americas Army has the coolest looking dress uniform (dress blues). I don't know why you guys keep around the green class A's.

actually, the Marine Corps dress blues are cooler. Have you ever seen them? Where are you stationed? (If you don't mind my asking)
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
11-08-2004, 23:37
I tried to download it but I got an error page. I tried again later and it worked, however the game did not. So I said screw it.
Of the council of clan
11-08-2004, 23:39
We ARE. We most certainly aren't talking about Frances Army.

Okay, I know what you're talking about council of clan. I've always thought that Americas Army has the coolest looking dress uniform (dress blues). I don't know why you guys keep around the green class A's.

actually, the Marine Corps dress blues are cooler. Have you ever seen them? Where are you stationed? (If you don't mind my asking)


The dress blues(they become black instead of blue supposidly and lose there hints of old Civil war uniforms :-( ) are changing over the next 5 years, as all of our Uniforms, and the Class A's are being phased out entirely

I'm not stationed anywhere per se, I'm a weekend Warrior, but in a Very Active unit.

And thankfully no deployment rotations for the next year.
The Sword and Sheild
11-08-2004, 23:42
How much AA have you played? I personally hated AA for like the first month of it...but I didn't feel like buying a new game, I hated RvS and GR was really old...

Eventually I got decent at it (despite a current 0.94 FR) and then the game became very enjoyable.

Damn, that's dash cunning of you, figure out I haven't played it and all. Once I'm back to my Broadband connection (instead of dial-up), I might download it and give it a try, but I have always preferred WWII FSP's to any others.
The Sword and Sheild
11-08-2004, 23:46
Frances Army.

Their covers are so much sexier though, I've never liked US Army headgear since the Great War, the British are the only ones I've seen pull that kind of cover off (during WW2).
New Foxxinnia
11-08-2004, 23:49
The clan I'm on is
AAFiles (www.aafiles.com)
Morgath
11-08-2004, 23:51
America's Army (http://www.americasarmy.com)

Anyone here play? (It's a free download and is arguably the best FPS out there.)

Naw, I played the LARP version for 14 years. :)
Nigh Invulnerability
11-08-2004, 23:53
The dress blues(they become black instead of blue supposidly and lose there hints of old Civil war uniforms :-( ) are changing over the next 5 years, as all of our Uniforms, and the Class A's are being phased out entirely

I'm not stationed anywhere per se, I'm a weekend Warrior, but in a Very Active unit.

And thankfully no deployment rotations for the next year.

Damn weekend warriors!

Sorry but it's our favorite phrase at the language school I attend. We have a lot of reservists who are shocked when they get here and don't get to go home for upwards of a year and a half. I've been in over two years now so it doesn't bother me quite as much as it used to (the being 1500 miles away from home bit).

Is AMERICA'S ARMY still getting those swanky mandarin style collars? And how are you skipping Pfc? (maybe I read wrong)
Opal Isle
12-08-2004, 00:39
No really. Stop hijacking my thread. This is about the First Person Shooter game developed by the United States Army and can be found at http://www.americasarmy.com/

There are no dress uniforms in the entire game so find a new thread wankers.
Nigh Invulnerability
12-08-2004, 01:02
No really. Stop hijacking my thread. This is about the First Person Shooter game developed by the United States Army and can be found at http://www.americasarmy.com/

There are no dress uniforms in the entire game so find a new thread wankers.

No really. Stop whining. We're talking about the developers of the game. It's related.
Opal Isle
12-08-2004, 01:03
No really. Stop whining. We're talking about the developers of the game. It's related.
I started the thread and I'm asking you to start a new thread if you want to talk about fashion. This thread is not about fashion and fashion has nothing to do with the America's Army game.
Nigh Invulnerability
12-08-2004, 01:08
I started the thread and I'm asking you to start a new thread if you want to talk about fashion. This thread is not about fashion and fashion has nothing to do with the America's Army game.

Ask anyone in America's Army or Navy for that matter. They'll tell you that uniforms are most assuredly not fashion. There is nothing fashionable about them. They're itchy, they stain easy. Hard to iron and get inspected a lot. Especially the dress uniforms.
Opal Isle
12-08-2004, 01:12
Ask anyone in America's Army or Navy for that matter. They'll tell you that uniforms are most assuredly not fashion. There is nothing fashionable about them. They're itchy, they stain easy. Hard to iron and get inspected a lot. Especially the dress uniforms.
There is a lot of non-fashionable fashion. Fashion is a word used to describe atire essentially. And it's hijacking my thread either way you look at it.
Nigh Invulnerability
12-08-2004, 01:15
Well it doesn't seem as though anyone else gives a damn about your thread really. You should be appreciative of my sub-par witty comments keeping it bumped, just in case anyone else comes along and feels like talking about such a popular game in a place that has no ties or relationship to it at all.

But really, c'mon. NO ONE would call uniforms fashion. Well, maybe the BDU's. Some kids like to wear those although I don't know why.
Opal Isle
12-08-2004, 01:16
If you weren't so busy reading and writing posts about the uniforms you'd realize that you're flooding out posts that are actually on topic.
Nigh Invulnerability
12-08-2004, 01:18
Hey, I'm also raising my post count too. Let's list all my activities. Really I'm just having fun at your expense.
Nigh Invulnerability
12-08-2004, 01:18
but then so are a lot of people right now, neh?
The Sword and Sheild
12-08-2004, 01:21
Hey, I'm also raising my post count too. Let's list all my activities. Really I'm just having fun at your expense.

Once you reach 200 you get access to the exclusive executive room with coffee and donuts.

At any rate, the last game I played used by the US Army was Real War, which despite it's terrible review ratings, I actually enjoyed. It wasn't on par with C&C or Empire Earth, but it was fun for a few months.
Nigh Invulnerability
12-08-2004, 01:32
Once you reach 200 you get access to the exclusive executive room with coffee and donuts.

At any rate, the last game I played used by the US Army was Real War, which despite it's terrible review ratings, I actually enjoyed. It wasn't on par with C&C or Empire Earth, but it was fun for a few months.

Hmm...donuts.

I'll admit. For all my being in the navy for two years now, I really haven't seen any action or even a real deployment. It's funny, though, to hear from soldiers here about war in afghanistan and iraq and then to listen to people back home talk about the latest FPS. It makes me realize more and more that young people today are practically being trained for war as a video game. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Good, perhaps, because the ideas necessary of a fire team can be instilled early on. Bad, perhaps, due to the lack of value placed on human lives as a result of this indoctrination.
Opal Isle
12-08-2004, 01:36
Hmm...donuts.

I'll admit. For all my being in the navy for two years now, I really haven't seen any action or even a real deployment. It's funny, though, to hear from soldiers here about war in afghanistan and iraq and then to listen to people back home talk about the latest FPS. It makes me realize more and more that young people today are practically being trained for war as a video game. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Good, perhaps, because the ideas necessary of a fire team can be instilled early on. Bad, perhaps, due to the lack of value placed on human lives as a result of this indoctrination.

You should read the FAQ at the America's Army website. They've set up some ways of taking away the benefits of just ruthlessly killing everyone in the game, placing some value on human life in a roundabout way. Anyway, America's Army is over 2 years old, so it's not quite the latest.
Opal Isle
12-08-2004, 04:35
Anyone else play America's Army (http://www.AmericasArmy.com/)?
Scolopendra
12-08-2004, 04:56
Please be sure to stay on topic. Off topic conversations can be taken to telegram.
Opal Isle
12-08-2004, 05:09
Please be sure to stay on topic. Off topic conversations can be taken to telegram.
Thank you.
Grand master Mark
12-08-2004, 13:14
I downloaded it from AA files but the it won't let me extract or install the file
Can someone help me? please
Opal Isle
12-08-2004, 13:33
Try getting it from www.Download.com. The download always worked much better for me. Also, if you can't extract it you might need an extractor program. Get "WinRar" from www.Download.com. I'll give you links to both.

America's Army (http://www.download.com/America-s-Army-Special-Forces-Downrange-/3000-7455-10293748.html?tag=lst-0-1)
Winrar (http://www.download.com/WinRAR/3000-2250-10259256.html?tag=lst-0-1)

Note: Those take you to the information page, not the actual download.
Grand master Mark
12-08-2004, 14:08
Thanks alot!
Grand master Mark
12-08-2004, 14:12
when i get the game. how would i contact you, opal isle, to play with you?
Opal Isle
12-08-2004, 14:59
Extreme Sealz Team! (http://www.xstz.co.uk/) - Go to the forums and ask for Pogo.
Grand master Mark
12-08-2004, 16:12
I downloaded it from download.com with their Secure Delivery program and it gives me the option to install but when i do a media playr like window pops up and will not play even though it says ready. Should i try WINRAR?
Derscon
12-08-2004, 20:03
Well, as I have dial up, I cancelled the download since it would have taken 66 hours.
New Foxxinnia
12-08-2004, 23:45
You could always get it from your local army recruiter.
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/200422014366/$file/logos_low.jpg
Opal Isle
13-08-2004, 00:25
I downloaded it from download.com with their Secure Delivery program and it gives me the option to install but when i do a media playr like window pops up and will not play even though it says ready. Should i try WINRAR?
Yea...get WinRar and use that to extract the file and install it.

Well, as I have dial up, I cancelled the download since it would have taken 66 hours.
Yea...I forgot to mention that the game is like 600mbs...it took me like 3 hours to download from download.com on Cable. However, if you're on dialup, you wouldn't get really good gameplay...heh.

You could always get it from your local army recruiter.
This is true, but they probably make you fill out forms with your day-time phone number, address, and mailing address so they can pester you all the time and try recruiting you. I've played the game since December and have not gotten any recruitment material aside from the standard "You just graduated high school now come join the military" junk mail.
Allegheri
13-08-2004, 04:51
i played AA from 1.3 to 2.0a... i think 2.1 has wrecked the game.

i'm on aaotracker- search for -=PULSE=-Hellfire

it's still a great-looking game, and there are plenty of people playing. to those purists who had been playing the game for a long time, there were some changes made in 2.1 that hurt gameplay somewhat. grenade count decreases, as well as fire rate increases, to be specific. still, it's a great value (free) and if you don't know the old version, you won't have any problems.

feel free to PM me on tracker if you have any questions or whatever.

my old clan (http://www.pulsesquad.com)
Opal Isle
13-08-2004, 04:56
i played AA from 1.3 to 2.0a... i think 2.1 has wrecked the game.
it's still a great-looking game, and there are plenty of people playing. to those purists who had been playing the game for a long time, there were some changes made in 2.1 that hurt gameplay somewhat. grenade count decreases, as well as fire rate increases, to be specific. still, it's a great value (free) and if you don't know the old version, you won't have any problems.
No.
I played 2.0a for a long time and now I'm playing 2.1.
Grenade blast radius = more realistic.
Fire rates = more realistic.
Damage assignments = more realistic.

In 2.0 and before, if you got shot, the bullet did damage at the exit location. This meant if you were laying down and got shot in the face, you'd probably get damage in the toe and not die, despite getting hit in the face. Now, if you are shot in face, you will die. The damage is assigned to the highest damage area instead of the exit area.

Additionally, M4A1 used to have about 600 bullets per minute which is not realistic. A real M4 fires 700-1000 and they adjusted the M4's fire rate to 750 bullets per minute to more accurately reflect the weapon.

In short, the game is even less like CounterStrike now, which is most definitely a good thing.
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 04:58
Aha, got it working. It's not bad...even though I get kicked ad nauseam from multiplayer games for "lag".

I miss the days when a ping of 300 was good.
Opal Isle
13-08-2004, 05:00
Aha, got it working. It's not bad...even though I get kicked ad nauseam from multiplayer games for "lag".

I miss the days when a ping of 300 was good.
Extreme Sealz Team! (http://www.xstz.co.uk/)
Pointe Noire
13-08-2004, 05:02
If you want a good FPS get "Return to Castle Wolfenstien: Enemy Territory" has good graphics and plus its free...so what the hell just get it.
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 05:06
Extreme Sealz Team! (http://www.xstz.co.uk/)

Uh...any one of them closer to Australia? UK is likely to get an even worse ping.
Allegheri
13-08-2004, 05:17
reply for Opal Isle:

I didn't claim that the new changes were unrealistic, however, I do take issue with them.. Here's why.

Follow the bouncing logic :headbang:

first, reduce the number of grenades each player carries, including 203s. claimed purpose: reduce "spamming," and completely eliminate area-targeted fire from non-rifle sources. actual result: reduce kills by explosives. increase kills by rifle.

second, fix the damage map. claimed purpose and actual result are the same, here- players die more realistically. damage now happens at the most critical part of the body, rather than at the exit. corrollary result: rifles kill more effectively.

third, increase the rifle rate of fire. claimed purpose: realism. actual result: further increase the capacity of the rifle to kill, especially when compared with explosives.

so we have three major changes from 2.0 to 2.1, none of which I'm sure were requested. we also have just two direct results- reducing explosive deaths and injuries, and increasing rifle kills.

so far so good, in principle... soldiers should be killing with rifles, rather than practiced grenade throws. however, this is a game, not RL. in-game, here's what happens:

high-ping players die. quickly. regardless of skill. this is due to bullets, and no other source. everyone now kills more effectively than before, and headshots have increased at least threefold. bursts now often get kills, as well.
low-ping players have an enormous advantage. they have no reason to fear hiding, as noone is throwing grenades. they know they can kill people who come after them, because they'll see them first... and everyone's a slaughter machine now.

in short, the game has been unneccessarily skewed toward players with good connections, rather than with skill and ability. as a player with both skill and ability.. losing repeatedly because i don't have a fast connection at home is quite possibly the most frustrating aspect of the game. don't even get me started on how they fucked up my beloved Bridge! :headbang:
Opal Isle
13-08-2004, 05:45
Uh...any one of them closer to Australia? UK is likely to get an even worse ping.
Well...I'm in the US and in that clan. It's not going to matter that much until the clan actually has a server (we don't right now), but because half of the current clan is UK and the other half is US, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a US server.
Opal Isle
13-08-2004, 05:45
If you want a good FPS get "Return to Castle Wolfenstien: Enemy Territory" has good graphics and plus its free...so what the hell just get it.
Very CS-esque. Too CS-esque for me.
Opal Isle
13-08-2004, 05:48
reply for Opal Isle:

I didn't claim that the new changes were unrealistic, however, I do take issue with them.. Here's why.

Follow the bouncing logic :headbang:

first, reduce the number of grenades each player carries, including 203s. claimed purpose: reduce "spamming," and completely eliminate area-targeted fire from non-rifle sources. actual result: reduce kills by explosives. increase kills by rifle.

second, fix the damage map. claimed purpose and actual result are the same, here- players die more realistically. damage now happens at the most critical part of the body, rather than at the exit. corrollary result: rifles kill more effectively.

third, increase the rifle rate of fire. claimed purpose: realism. actual result: further increase the capacity of the rifle to kill, especially when compared with explosives.

so we have three major changes from 2.0 to 2.1, none of which I'm sure were requested. we also have just two direct results- reducing explosive deaths and injuries, and increasing rifle kills.

so far so good, in principle... soldiers should be killing with rifles, rather than practiced grenade throws. however, this is a game, not RL. in-game, here's what happens:

high-ping players die. quickly. regardless of skill. this is due to bullets, and no other source. everyone now kills more effectively than before, and headshots have increased at least threefold. bursts now often get kills, as well.
low-ping players have an enormous advantage. they have no reason to fear hiding, as noone is throwing grenades. they know they can kill people who come after them, because they'll see them first... and everyone's a slaughter machine now.

in short, the game has been unneccessarily skewed toward players with good connections, rather than with skill and ability. as a player with both skill and ability.. losing repeatedly because i don't have a fast connection at home is quite possibly the most frustrating aspect of the game. don't even get me started on how they fucked up my beloved Bridge! :headbang:

I can agree with disliking less powerful nades and fewer nades at the same time, but that's about it. You still get the same number of 203 nades (hasn't it always been 7? and how often do you even use all of those up?). However, you should try AA again. There isn't much as much ramboing by good ping players as you'd like to think. Most players are still playing pretty careful as they know that they can't just run through a M249 spray and survive. I'd just suggest you try playing the game again for a while and see what you think. Have a different attitude about it.
Kanabia
13-08-2004, 05:49
Well...I'm in the US and in that clan. It's not going to matter that much until the clan actually has a server (we don't right now), but because half of the current clan is UK and the other half is US, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a US server.

OK, i'll check them out and maybe think about joining.

Unless I find a good Aussie server :)
Opal Isle
13-08-2004, 05:51
OK, i'll check them out and maybe think about joining.

Unless I find a good Aussie server :)
There are thousands of servers...most are in the US and there are a bit in the UK. The rest are scattered throughout EU. I've never seen anything outside of those areas (well, there may be a handful of Canadian servers...ick...)
Allegheri
13-08-2004, 06:06
well, Opal Isle, I might go back.

but check my tracker account... note the average hours per day, and how i haven't played in over 2 months.

see how much of my life i got back? :p