NationStates Jolt Archive

Im wondering how many peoples lives have actually been changed by the patriot act? Because I know my life hasnt been changed one bit and I dont feel any less free.

Well, consider that people (not sure if it's the FBI or some other group, but it's one of them) can walk into your house, when you aren't present, and do searches, or bug your phone line, and then claim it was because they thought you were a terrorist (even with no evidence) - is it any wonder you aren't aware of the effects on your life?

The concept isn't whether or not you feel free, it's whether you are.

See, if the Patriot Act required there to be evidence presented to whatever secret court would allow such a search, proving or at least strongly showing likely terrorist ties, then I would see it as perfectly okay.

Unfortunately, the main part that gets me is that they can do so with no evidence whatsoever.

they have spoken of the good this brings but never the bad, they have not told us all of its uses or what it has been used for nor how many times it has been used. I don't like the idea of them snooping into my business and if they disliked me or anything about me (beliefs, whatever etc) they could take me out dig shit up and so on. You trust so blindly for sake of security security is good and this is governments one and only responsibility but it should not take over or be priority over freedom of the people

There are testimonies from people who the USAPA and USAPAII have affected, I'm not quite sure where the are, but google it and something should pop up.

The base idea around the protest of these bills has already been mentioned. It creates an unprecidented level of federal authority, giving the government essentially whatever powers it needs in the name of terrorism. Things like phone line bugging, house raids, arrests, they can all happen under 'suspision'. The USAPA essentially eliminates the need for warrents which is not good for anyone.

"One clear difference exists however. Unlike USAPA,
USAPA II has no provisions that "sunset" after a certain time. ALL OF IT'S
CHANGES ARE PERMANENT. "

Look at me! Look at me! (http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terrorism_militias/patriot-act-II-analysis.php)

Check out that site for an analysis of the USAPA

A government steping into thier citizens private life without thier knowledge or having to present any evidence is just FUBAR. It's not a free democrasy. It's a step towards facism if you ask me. Hopefully, the USA will realice this before it's to late and fix it.

If my country tryed to do a similair thing, I would protest so loudly about it that you'd here about me across the pond. ;)

These acts are giving police, military leaders absolute control to do as they see fit. Giving them these tools for free based on our fear is our stupidity.

The present government is secretive about it's doings and for good reason since they have been terrorizing the public and selling freedom and democracy while steadily drawing power to happy or at least rich few.

I have been reading up on the Bush dynasty and politics.
They have been campaining, selling air and sweet words all their life with the help of wealthy persons who got wealthier. These people are our competition, the reason that many work long hours to make ends meet.
We are regarded as peasants for them to extract maximum yields.

Seems that these insecure people will do anything, torture and kill to get what they want and indeed thousands of people have been unjustly classified terrorist and sent of to concentrationcamps with military law in Cuba, Marocco, Syria, lots of others.

So you will not notice the 40 Billion annual Homeland defence inc. with their 200.000 people selling security,

unless you are suspect,
unless you had a connection with greenpeace or other clubs.
unless someone gives them a call that you said bad stuff about the wars these industry-oil-government-aristocracy play, selling childmurder as being an act of love, compassion and freedom. Lessons from Nam already forgotten?
unless you oppose them.
unless you post on a Forum witch by accident has two links to a fundamental Muslim site and you were born in Syria, you get arrested together with your wife, then deported back to Syria and tortured for your posting crimes while your restaurant you worked hard for ,payed your taxes, goes over the top. No judge involved and after 3 years you finally see some justice done and set again to roam in the land of the free.

The thing I am really pissed about is the pathetic layer of goodwill, reasons for doing evil shit. Petty little excuses to me.

A people has not only the right to overthrow a corrupt criminal government, but I think also the duty to at least make effort to crack down petty little tyrants in absolute control.
So the people of Iraq had that job of going after him and his accumulated wealth, same for US citizens to see what needs to be done. Wealth has accumulated with more then one family so you need a huge overhaul.


Have you heard what they plan to do with demonstrators, plan to forcefeed anti depressives after everybody gets a screening from mental hospitals backed by the health industry who profits.

We pay for our own downfall, we pay for the weapons that will be used against us, we work hard for that and they will be used for our own massive destruction I think somewhere in the near future say a decade or so.

This in line with our suicidal tendencies, our egomania that prevents us to look at what we have done to the world and ourselves. And we thought we were smart.........

Why do you think the neonazi policy based Bushes keep whining for tax cuts?

- To help you out?
- To save the world?