NationStates Jolt Archive


Should France even be a country?

Kentington
11-08-2004, 01:39
Just curious,

As to what people think about france...
Mucilaginous
11-08-2004, 01:42
I have no hatred towards France. They are a country, why shouldn't they be?
Kybernetia
11-08-2004, 01:43
Just curious,

As to what people think about france...
What do you think we should do with the 60 million French people????
You could also ask whether Britain should be a country. Of course it should.
What should I say about France: Often it is difficult with them, but Europe wouldn´t work without them.
Bodies Without Organs
11-08-2004, 01:44
You could also ask whether Britain should be a country. Of course it should.


The answer to that depends on what you mean by 'Britain' - Great Britain? The UK?
Ahmadia
11-08-2004, 01:46
Why shouldn't they be??...

This wave of anti-French sentiments is horrible and must come to an end. It's just as dangerous as anti-semitism and anti-Americanism.

France was, is, and will continue to be one of the greatest counties in the world; and it will forever be an icon of progress and liberty, whether you like it or not.
Sumamba Buwhan
11-08-2004, 01:48
i like france

they make great wine, have a beautiful countryside, a rich history, some great food, and a beautiful language. I also had a french/japanese girlfriend that was uber hawt!

Why do you have an issue with france being a country?
Mr Basil Fawlty
11-08-2004, 01:48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentington
Just curious,



Well if France would not be, the US of A(pes) would never be a country.
My 2 cents


More serious, France and England needed a long time to create their own states out of lots of countships aso. and they have both a verry bloody history while doing that.
But the US to has this bloody history, they also killed millions of people in that land where those Germans, English, French, Portuguese, Spanish conquistadores/migrants put foot (and they even continued the killing of the natives in the late 1890ies)
Kentington
11-08-2004, 01:49
I personnally like the French, I mean, they do let us know when we are a little off our rockers, like that the whole 'Iraq' thing was stupid, which it was, not that we, Americans I mean, shouldn't try to fix it now that we're there, and oh yah, that other really bad idea, Vietnam, didn't they tell us to stay out of there as well???

I just think that they, Frenchmen/women/people/dogs too!, think we are all stupid, and yah, we make mistakes, but doesn't everyone?? Quite frankly I think I'm just tired of them rubbing our noses in it, so, let's just give them to Belgium!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terra - Domina
11-08-2004, 01:50
What do you think we should do with the 60 million French people????
You could also ask whether Britain should be a country. Of course it should.
What should I say about France: Often it is difficult with them, but Europe wouldn´t work without them.

Should Iraq even be a count.... oh wait a second....
Mr Basil Fawlty
11-08-2004, 01:50
I'm an american, and no France shouldn't be a country...
I'm an american, and of course France should be a country
I'm not American, and even I think France shouldn't be a country...
I'm not an american, and the idea of a world without France makes me cry...
France is a country? When did that happen?

Hmm, change" the word "France" with "USA" and you know how stupid the poll is :rolleyes:
Kentington
11-08-2004, 01:51
US of Apes, come on, grow up...
Cannablicia
11-08-2004, 01:52
France is an exellent country.

Britain would have opposed the war on iraq if Tony B Liar had submitted to popular opinion! a million of us marched against the war in london alone!! thats like 3% of the population!

No one liked the war in iraq, i dont know why France gets so much hatred for it. i think they are already building for the Euro-american war there, ehich will be the end of the world as we know it.

Jay
Mr Basil Fawlty
11-08-2004, 01:53
I just think that they, Frenchmen/women/people/dogs too!, think we are all stupid, and yah, we make mistakes, but doesn't everyone?? Quite frankly I think I'm just tired of them rubbing our noses in it, so, let's just give them to Belgium!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Especially the dogs do.
No help don't give them to Belgium (born there, in Flanders) they got their own part of French speaking citizens and that is enough, just send the women :p
Bodies Without Organs
11-08-2004, 01:53
I just think that they, Frenchmen/women/people/dogs too!, think we are all stupid, and yah, we make mistakes, but doesn't everyone??

Out of interest: have you actually spoken to/communicated with someone from France that has expressed this opinion?
Mr Basil Fawlty
11-08-2004, 01:53
US of Apes, come on, grow up...

Let myself go, you are wright :cool:
But that is because you guys (Ok not the Dems) allways bash the French."Liberty fries" or bash EU (Bushes dumb speak abourt Turkey and his interference in EU matters) (even his best allies in the EU hate him for that)
Resistencia
11-08-2004, 01:56
I have absolutely nothing against France. They have also been acting and behaving much better than the US in recent times. They should be the ones asking themselves if we should be a country.
Oberer
11-08-2004, 01:56
Name one french war hero ok ready set GO!.....kinda hard isn't it?

The British wore red uniforms so when they got shot you couldn't see the blood the french though on the other hand wore brown i wonder what they covered up...

as you see from above i think france is and never was a country
Cannablicia
11-08-2004, 01:57
actually when i was in Normandy last i saw a lot of US flags flying, i think there is a lot more respect for the USA among the general populus there than there is here in britain, as you say they are just not afraid to tell you when you're doing something stupid

JaeSun
Bodies Without Organs
11-08-2004, 01:57
Name one french war hero ok ready set GO!.....kinda hard isn't it?

Napoleon (Corsican origin)
De Gaulle
Joan of Arc
Kentington
11-08-2004, 01:59
Okay, yes I have talked to Frenchpeople{wouldn't want to be sexist now}, not all, but alot don't like us, and about England not wanting the war, like what percent of the population? Alot of Americans didn't want the war either, I was in the Army when it started, alot of friends had to leave, alot are still gone, and I got my right shoulder destroyed because of it, I went, not because I wanted to, because it was my duty, Americans don't want to be there, but what are we supposed to do now, just leave, let Sadaam go, pat him on the back and say,"sorry about that"???
Bodies Without Organs
11-08-2004, 01:59
...i think there is a lot more respect for the USA among the general populus there than there is here in britain...


I'm sure you know how we described the US troops stationed in the UK during WWII: "Overpaid, oversexed, and over here."
Mr Basil Fawlty
11-08-2004, 02:01
Name one french war hero ok ready set GO!.....kinda hard isn't it?



Rolland Garros (the best US fighter pilot in WWI had about 1 tenth of his victories).

Pffff, why would continue to make sense against such blind hate :rolleyes: I am even not French (but their women are less fat and don't have hair on the back like yours :p ) Is it true that the US women's nickname is Quasimodo? (your level, I to can spread hate like you do in your basement)
Southern Eurasia
11-08-2004, 02:01
Anti-franco sentiment is less along the lines of direct racism of the people of France; worse countries have existed. However it is the policies of their government which should be disliked. France, notorious in the last century for appeasement is once again following the mistakes of pre-WWII. By essentially siding with third world nations it feels the US is using force against, it is trying to appease smaller nations it thinks will become superpowers. Historically this is the mistake it made two generations ago, one it has tried to forget by most of it's population claiming to be of resistance descent. Yes, other countries were involved in the appeasement of Hitler, but France is the only that has not learned from it. By appeasing smaller nations it is simply making itself appear weak.

Regardless of your point of view on the George W. Bush administration, it can simply be viewed as dealing with a child holding a loaded pistol, with the first bullet already in the chamber. France has taken the appeasent road: to reason with the child, to give into it's wishes and even defend him from the opposite point of view, which would be to disarm the child to prevent further threats.
Chess Squares
11-08-2004, 02:01
hey heres a question

should the mothers of the people who bitch and moan about france have aborted them?
Oberer
11-08-2004, 02:02
Napoleon (Corsican origin)
De Gaulle
Joan of Arc

Napoleon is of course a war hero but like their's only a few with other countries having alot De Gaulle i have no idea who that is, and Joah of arc....Women don't count(hahaha)
Jovianica
11-08-2004, 02:02
Britain would have opposed the war on iraq if Tony B Liar had submitted to popular opinion! a million of us marched against the war in london alone!! thats like 3% of the population!
It's just beginning to come to light what Mr. Blair's price is for his support in Iraq:

US support against the IRA. (http://www.freeciaranferry.com) (Or anyone who ever supported the Provos, whether they still do or not.)
Bodies Without Organs
11-08-2004, 02:03
By essentially siding with third world nations it feels the US is using force against, it is trying to appease smaller nations it thinks will become superpowers.

Ah, so it should instead be appeasing the United States then?
Mr Basil Fawlty
11-08-2004, 02:04
Name one french war hero ok ready set GO!.....kinda hard isn't it?

The British

Absolutely not, see above.

But can you do better then My Lay or torturing Iraqi citizens :rolleyes:
Off course US heroes prove themselves more there then on the batllefield against men.
Bodies Without Organs
11-08-2004, 02:04
De Gaulle i have no idea who that is

I rest my case.
Kentington
11-08-2004, 02:05
Rolland Garros (the best US fighter pilot in WWI had about 1 tenth of his victories).

Pffff, why would continue to make sense against such blind hate :rolleyes: I am even not French (but their women are less fat and don't have hair on the back like yours :p ) Is it true that the US women's nickname is Quasimodo? (your level, I to can spread hate like you do in your basement)

You really can't compare WWI fighter pilots, the US really didn't do much as far as the air is concerned in WWI, now did we, we mostly just you know FED AND PAYED for the war. Okay, women, you don't really have American women, you have (Insert nationality here)-american women, (French-american too!) hairy backs! none of my girlfriends! But then again, none had hairy pits or legs either!
Kybernetia
11-08-2004, 02:08
The answer to that depends on what you mean by 'Britain' - Great Britain? The UK?
OK, I know the correct name is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That is a country and it should be one (or are you in favour of Scottish independence???)
Bodies Without Organs
11-08-2004, 02:10
OK, I know the correct name is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That is a country and it should be one (or are you in favour of Scottish independence???)

My political views aren't at issue here: it just wasn't clear to what you were actually refering.
Kentington
11-08-2004, 02:11
Napoleon (Corsican origin)
De Gaulle
Joan of Arc

I do believe that De Gaulle was a great man, but not a 'war hero' not in the sense of say Napoleon or Joan of Arc, who by the way does count, even if she is a woman, god thought so at least!!!!!!!!
Resistencia
11-08-2004, 02:12
Uhm...how do you not know who De Gaulle is? He was the Free French leader in WWII and later became prime minister. Another French war hero is Lafayette. By the way, without his help the US would probably not be the country it is today.

Though I disagree with bashing the french, I will give a suggestion to all you france haters out there, don't go after their war record. France has fought in more wars as a nation than almost any other current nation in the world. For Americans to go after any european country on their war history is absolutely insane. Europe has been a continent engulfed in war since people got there. On the other hand, the US has been around less then 250 years. Of course, there were wars before that, but the US was not a country. Whenever people call the french cowards for not going to war in Iraq it always makes me laugh. Many more frenchmen have died in war in the last 200 years than americans. So think about that the next time you call the French cowards. I dont particularly like the french, but you must give credit where credit is due.
Bodies Without Organs
11-08-2004, 02:14
Though I disagree with bashing the french, I will give a suggestion to all you france haters out there, don't go after their war record.

Can I add a further opinion here? Judging a nation's greatness by how many wars it has fought in or how it performed in them is somewhat skewed logic: a smart nation comes out on top without having to resort to war.
Kentington
11-08-2004, 02:14
De Gaulle's best quote by all means

China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese.
Von Witzleben
11-08-2004, 02:14
I do believe that De Gaulle was a great man
Yep. He was. Pulling the French troops out of NATO command was a good thing. Unfortunatly he was alone in that.
Bodies Without Organs
11-08-2004, 02:15
De Gaulle's best quote by all means

China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese.


“How can you govern a country which has 246 varieties of cheese?”
Oberer
11-08-2004, 02:15
yea but did you not realize France got taken over in both world wars and Brittian and USA had to free their *** everytime (includig the rest of the allies helping them)
Kentington
11-08-2004, 02:15
Who called France a coward?
I just wanted to know if it should be part of Belgium...
Jovianica
11-08-2004, 02:21
OK, I know the correct name is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That is a country and it should be one (or are you in favour of Scottish independence???)
No, it should not be one. It should be two, possibly three. The Scots have to figure it out for themselves yet, but be clear: 26 + 6 = 1.
Frishland
11-08-2004, 02:23
What the hell is that question even supposed to mean? Are you asking whether France ought to exist? Whether the French people have a right to self-determination? It's an odd question. If France weren't a country, what would it be?
Myrth
11-08-2004, 02:23
Flamebait, pure and simple.