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I have been as of late really enjoying a series of posts on a board from 2000-2001. In it a self-proclaimed time traveller stated that a civil war would break out in the US, embroiling the entire country by 2007. In 2008 it will be apparent that we no longer live in the world as we once knew it, and in 2015 Russia will nuke all US cities in an effort to stop the spreading of Wesern destabalization.

He stated that the civil war started because the government keeps eating away at the constitution, and starts interfering militarily areound the world, particularly the middle east.

Now I admit this is pretty much for sure a fraudulent claim (time travel that is), but it gets me wondering.

What do you think the chances are that the United states could end up in a civil war based on the way we are going right now?

LOL

thats freaking amazing

It would be awesome if that came true (from a commical viewpoint)

I dont think it would happen

The US is pretty good at justifing the lead of its rulers

actually he really was a true time traveller but the thing is once you go back in time you skrew everything up and it will never turn out like you remembered it. even with great precautions (which he didn't take), it cold turn out drastically different.

I liked his version of the govt of the future.

Civil war is highly unlikely as there just isn't a big enough movement brewing right now. Well you never know I guess, though. Bush could possibly get reelected and start more wars infuriating mroe people and he could also infringe more on the civil liberties of the people as well.


:p

Well, to be honest, the last election, and the way this one is going to shape out, it looks like there is a distinct split in political views. 49% democrat, 49% republican, and a +/- 2% error...

Now, I don't think that this is an excuse for a civil war, nor will one come out of it, but it is interesting to observe the thing's that divide our nation (I live in America...but I declare myself a citizen of the world!)

Although, supposing the next president dies (or is assasinated), and we can't decide what to do or who to elect to power, then some fighting could erupt!

It would be awesome if that came true (from a commical viewpoint)

Um...if that happened...especially the part about the Russians...there would be no economy whatsoever...therefore it's BAD from a commercial standpoint!

Whoops...you said "commical"...not "commercial"...

Maybe I should learn how to read!

Um...if that happened...especially the part about the Russians...there would be no economy whatsoever...therefore it's BAD from a commercial standpoint!

thats why i said commical, it makes me laugh like this

Tee hee hee

Well, to be honest, the last election, and the way this one is going to shape out, it looks like there is a distinct split in political views. 49% democrat, 49% republican, and a +/- 2% error...

Since only 60% of the population is even going to vote, that leaves 29% vs 29%, with 40% of your population not carring about the vote.

That means 40% of your people arent in favor of civil war.

Besides, the differances between republicans and democrats arent even that great. They both fall generally right of centre, the reps a little more extreme than the dems.

True, I forgot that there are people too [Insert some sort of powerful and negatively connotated word here!] to go to the polls and take use their liberties!!!

And I didn't actually think that people would go to war over the elections...like I said, just one of the things that split's our country...

Good point, Terra - Domina!

Also, who ever said that the 29 vs 29 weren't for civil war? Or that the 40 were? I know people who would fight for the sake of fighting!

The U.S. probably won't ever have a civil war for basically two reasons.

1. Everyone in the U.S. is educated on the civil war until its been run into the gorund. Our history books and TV shows love that war for some reason. The entire education on U.S. history revolves around two point - revolution and the civil war. So, every kid knows about the civil war and how horrible it was.

2. If a region of the U.S. ever rebels again, the rest of the states will crush it. The U.S. has an unofficial policy of quashing internal rebellion, so, if a state tries to succeed, it will be under attack by the end of the week. Arizoan tried to succeed once and the government blackmailed the state with road funding (don't ask me how, I don't know). So, no state will try that again.

Since only 60% of the population is even going to vote, that leaves 29% vs 29%, with 40% of your population not carring about the vote.

That means 40% of your people arent in favor of civil war.

Besides, the differances between republicans and democrats arent even that great. They both fall generally right of centre, the reps a little more extreme than the dems.

Voting is a LOT different that pulling a trigger, in some respects. You will have the campfollowers, and those that have been so disenfranchised for years they don't vote but instead have their bunkers and weapons caches. Yes, these people DO exist, and in greater numbers than I think many would expect.

Since only 60% of the population is even going to vote, that leaves 29% vs 29%, with 40% of your population not carring about the vote.

That means 40% of your people arent in favor of civil war.

Besides, the differances between republicans and democrats arent even that great. They both fall generally right of centre, the reps a little more extreme than the dems.
I disagree. There is a huge difference between Republicans and Democrats, but it's not primarily an extreme right/right-of-center thing; it's that the Republicans are dangerous. They destroy old political institutions whenever it benefits them in the slightest; they manage everything poorly in whatever way benefits the plutocracy and theocracy the best--again, even with marginal gain--from war to the economy. Many Democrats at least have scruples about how they govern and consequently don't do as much damage. But you're right: they're by no means a "left-wing" party, socially, economically, or (least of all) with regard to foreign policy.

The U.S. probably won't ever have a civil war for basically two reasons.

1. Everyone in the U.S. is educated on the civil war until its been run into the gorund. Our history books and TV shows love that war for some reason. The entire education on U.S. history revolves around two point - revolution and the civil war. So, every kid knows about the civil war and how horrible it was.



.......I take it you've never lived in the deep south? Georgia, Virginia, Carolinas, Alabama......get a li'l different skew about the War for Southern Independence.

Revolution, eh? I don't think so. All recent revolutionaries who want to bring down the government fail or don't do enough (the oklahoma city federal building bombing comes to mind)

Well, for there to be a civil war, all hint of terrorist activity would have to be gone. Terrorism will unite the U.S.

Well, for there to be a civil war, all hint of terrorist activity would have to be gone. Terrorism will unite the U.S.

If enough people get their civil liberties squashed or can no longer afford their brand new tank (I mean H2), then people will start revolting. As long as people are comfortable and can still have their 2 kids and a nice house the U.S. will continue on as is. Regardless of what the government does.

I disagree. The US government will spin it in such a way that people will become patriotic, and therefore not inclined to revolt, even if their liberties are squashed. As long as it doesn't go too far.

.......I take it you've never lived in the deep south? Georgia, Virginia, Carolinas, Alabama......get a li'l different skew about the War for Southern Independence.

No I haven't lived there, but I am familiar with the views. I still think, that despite the whining about the Southern War for Independence/Civil War, they realize that if they tried to break away again, they would be crushed.

I would have to aggree with what u said Temme it is so true