NationStates Jolt Archive

Is it right that a person born into a country be immediatly granted citizenship to that country?

think about it...

I say yes, so long as their parents have been resident in that country for more than a month.

No.

If and only if BOTH parrents are citizens and have been for at least a year.

ok, so i think you all missed the more abstract political idea i was trying to get accross...

what if I didn't want to be the citizen of any nation? Why do I HAVE to be?

It depends on what you mean by citizenship - voting rights, free education, access to health care etc.

I'd say yes, at least until a better way could be figured out: If we're talking about immigrants then no, not unless the mother is a citizen of the country in question.

Wouldn't the question be: How would you benefit from not being a citizen of any particular country?

Wouldn't the question be: How would you benefit from not being a citizen of any particular country?

no.

how about

Why does a Government have the right to place you under the confines of being a citizen without your consent?

If by "confines" you mean laws, then you'd be subject to them regardless of whether or not you were a citizen of that country. And, of course, you can always emigrate to a regieme you prefer.

If by "confines" you mean laws, then you'd be subject to them regardless of whether or not you were a citizen of that country. And, of course, you can always emigrate to a regieme you prefer.

confines was the wrong word. As long as the concept of property is around nations will be able to enforce their laws on said property.

I personally view it as a confine to my personal freedom. I dont want to be part of a large collective. I dont believe in my nation and see no reason to have one. Why then am I forced to be a citizen?

"I personally view it as a confine to my personal freedom. I dont want to be part of a large collective. I dont believe in my nation and see no reason to have one. Why then am I forced to be a citizen?"

You can renouce your citizenship if you wish. Bobby Fisher the chessmaster is doing so. I guess if you wanted to you could renounce your citizenship, buy an oil rig in international waters and move out there. Once out there you would be outside the law of any one country, but at the same time, anybody with a boat and a gun could come and enforce their own "law" on you, and given that you are no longer a citizen nobody's going to protect you.

"I personally view it as a confine to my personal freedom. I dont want to be part of a large collective. I dont believe in my nation and see no reason to have one. Why then am I forced to be a citizen?"

You can renouce your citizenship if you wish. Bobby Fisher the chessmaster is doing so. I guess if you wanted to you could renounce your citizenship, buy an oil rig in international waters and move out there. Once out there you would be outside the law of any one country, but at the same time, anybody with a boat and a gun could come and enforce their own "law" on you, and given that you are no longer a citizen nobody's going to protect you.

I didn't know I could do that...

Yeah, I'd say, as long as that country is the primary residence for at least one parent.

In my opnion yes, if the family have lived more than about 10 years in the country.

For ultimate personal freedom you can found your nation in real life. Just buy some land somewhere. I don't know how the process goes, but it's possible. I guess you have to declare your indepence and renounce your citizenship. Then again you have build your defense if you don't want your country to be invaded by your neighbors. Basically anyone could invade and take control. There is another problem too, you have to get the world to regognise your nation as indepented. That isn't really problem however as no one is coming to get you just because your nation is not regognised as indepented. They might for other reasons and they have full rights to do it. So basically you must build your defence. It would be however fairly easy to defend nation inside nation with no notable resources.

confines was the wrong word. As long as the concept of property is around nations will be able to enforce their laws on said property.

I personally view it as a confine to my personal freedom. I dont want to be part of a large collective. I dont believe in my nation and see no reason to have one. Why then am I forced to be a citizen?

Quiet hippie.

For ultimate personal freedom you can found your nation in real life. Just buy some land somewhere. I don't know how the process goes, but it's possible. I guess you have to declare your indepence and renounce your citizenship. .

It would be impossible to found a nation in real life. Virtually all land, except for antartica is claimed. And international treaty will not let you claim it as a country. Your best bet is to renounce your citizenship and move to the high seas. The problem with buying and trying to claim land is that the country might let you buy it, but not declair independence. You couldn't fight them off on your own, so you'd need more people, so you'd have another country so once again you'd have a larger collective society, which is what you want to get away from in the first place. Good luck with the whole renounceing your citizenship thing.

"I personally view it as a confine to my personal freedom. I dont want to be part of a large collective. I dont believe in my nation and see no reason to have one. Why then am I forced to be a citizen?"


I'm basically a digital hermit who likes to live in nowhere with an internet access. I do have samekind of opnions as you, but i don't consider currents laws to be problem for me. However if the goverments starts bugging me i'm outta here.

I'm basically a digital hermit who likes to live in nowhere with an internet access. I do have samekind of opnions as you, but i don't consider currents laws to be problem for me. However if the goverments starts bugging me i'm outta here.

that was me who said that achually

Edwin Edwards, there is another option too. However it's a bit more risky, but if you got money you could possible pull it off. You could always hire a band of mercenaries and start a revolution in some third world country. As a dictator you could do anything you want. Then again there are foreign issues, but i don't think you have to worry about Nato or the U.S to get you, unless your country has valuable natural resources.
BTW. I don't plan renoucning my citizenship, unless i somehow got far too much money and that isn't likely to happen.

Terra - Domina, yeah i messed the quotes.

lol

the point is to not belong to any nation, not have my own.


lol, im not going to live at sea, being a citizen doesnt stop me from breaking the law