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Just curious.

no, even if i'm old enough (which i might not be, depends when he calls for an election) there's no way!

I'd personally rather see the Conservatives in power in the UK...Tony Blair I like on foreign policy, but he's far too liberal on domestic issues and the EU. As an American and Anglo-phile (I love British culture and history), I'd prefer to see the Conservatives and Euro-skeptics take power, and continue on the wave from those recent european parliament and city council elections.

I'd personally rather see the Conservatives in power in the UK...Tony Blair I like on foreign policy, but he's far too liberal on domestic issues and the EU.

Did you hear the recent comment of his that he would reverse the 60s policy on law and order.

Considering that he is effectively considering to tag us, I would hate to be faced with the 'conservative' alternative.

As an American and Anglo-phile (I love British culture and history), I'd prefer to see the Conservatives and Euro-skeptics take power, and continue on the wave from those recent european parliament and city council elections.
You mean for the Lib Dems to win ;)

Currently Labour hold my constituency seat, but I plan to vote Lib Dems because a) They are oppossed to the ID card scheme, b) The Labour MP is a tosser and c) The Lib Dems are the next biggest party here.


However, if the EU Constitution comes to vote I am currently thinking of voting against it. Not because of national sovereignty issues or that bullshit UKIP keep spouting.

Also, the Tories seem to be the champions of the individual...thus ID cards would not be in their policy I believe...

I'm voting LibDems, becuase the alternative around here is to let the tories have the seat and that's a bad thing. Labour are pinching loads of the Conservatives' ideas anyway, and I'm pro-Europe.

However, if the EU Constitution comes to vote I am currently thinking of voting against it. Not because of national sovereignty issues or that bullshit UKIP keep spouting.
So, then why are thinking of voting against it then?

or that bullshit UKIP keep spouting.

Its good to hear not everyone is jumping on the UKIP bandwagon.

Anyways, I will be voting for Charles Kennedy when I can. His Liberal policies offer a new age of enlightenment.

Never voted him nor will I ever vote for him.

Bump

So, then why are thinking of voting against it then?
I think the power should go downwards rather than upwards. Also the current EU seems to be better for individual Nation States rather then individual citizens. I also think that (ironically) the EU only serves to broaden the differences between us and the continent (btw this is coming from a proud Euro-phile).

Anyway got to go now.

democracy, sheep, choosing your oppressor, ect.

Special note: Please do not vote unless you are a UK citizen or plan on becoming one. Thanks!

(However, the thread is open to everyone)

Go Conservatives!

democracy, sheep, choosing your oppressor, ect.
Thank you for that. Usually I would consider abstaining, but if it is a choice between remain silent and be tagged or voting and resisting. I think the choices are clear.

;)

Go Away Conservatives!
Ahhh, much better

Thank you for that. Usually I would consider abstaining, but if it is a choice between remain silent and be tagged or voting and resisting. I think the choices are clear.

;)

lol, in most "who would you vote for" threads i like to put in the democracy/sheep analogy...

I got a little lazy on that one though

lol :D

lol, in most "who would you vote for" threads i like to put in the democracy/sheep analogy...

I got a little lazy on that one though

lol :D
Meh, no harm done.

Personally I think they should put [No one] on the balot papers.

Just think about it, all those disenfranchised Anarchists.

Ahhh, much better

I agree. Lib dems are the ones I'd vote for.

What are these Liberal Democrats like?
Progressive liberal or classic liberal?

No im not going to i live in the us... just kidding felt like being stupid.

What are these Liberal Democrats like?
Progressive liberal or classic liberal?

I'd say not very liberal at all.

What are these Liberal Democrats like?
Progressive liberal or classic liberal?
Social Liberal (Socially Liberal, Economically, vaguely left of centre), as a whole. But I read in the paper that a group within the party are classic liberal. I forget the details, but maybe the resident Lib Dem (NWV) could furnish us with the details.

The article I read on the new (more pro-market) Lib Dems here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpolitics/story/0,,1275493,00.html

If I were old enough I'd vote for LibDems, because I think Charles Kennedy rocks and I don't agree with alot of the Labour and the Conservatives issues

I think that there is some formidable opposition out there for Blair. I can't tell you any names, but most Britons are happy to get rid of him.
Personally, I'd vote conservative. Blair is a throwback to the pre-Thatcher days of sluggish growth and bloated bureaocracy in Europe. Sure, the UK may reneg on their foreign policy, but I have a suspicion that the Conservatives like it, and are jealous that Labour is using it. That's why the Conservatives are opposed at the moment.

A lot of people want Blair out, me included. He has lost Labour's traditional minority-vote and to the Lib Dems and Respect Coalition, and the white-working-class-vote is increasing heading towards the BNP. In the towns and countryside the Tories are losing votes to almost everyone except Labour, and never really doing better than holding on to what they've got.

I think a lot of the older people still vote for Labour just because they don't want the Tories to get in. Most of the older voters see third parties as a wasted vote - I think the increase in third party votes will increase over time as more and more young turn away from the traditional British government and opposition, because neither are really very appealing.

Thanks for the replies. I'm not from the U.K., but if I were I'd likely vote for them.

A lot of people want Blair out, me included. He has lost Labour's traditional minority-vote and to the Lib Dems and Respect Coalition, and the white-working-class-vote is increasing heading towards the BNP. In the towns and countryside the Tories are losing votes to almost everyone except Labour, and never really doing better than holding on to what they've got.

I think a lot of the older people still vote for Labour just because they don't want the Tories to get in. Most of the older voters see third parties as a wasted vote - I think the increase in third party votes will increase over time as more and more young turn away from the traditional British government and opposition, because neither are really very appealing.That's an extremely good analysis so I'll just add a couple of points.

I don't believe Blair'll get voted out at the next election. Not because he hasn't lost support but because the opposition hasn't got enough. The Lib Dems never do well in general elections compared to their performance in general. The Tories are a dying horse that needs to be put out of it's misery. Wespec' are likely to stagnate. Their votes come almost entirely from two sources- the Muslim community and middle class liberal Guardianistas. Having an dictator supporting opportunist like Galloway is a liability in the long term and the past record of Wespec's main backers (in particular the Socialist Worker's Party) suggests it's likely to collapse into a fest of backbiting and recriminations at some point.

I agree that the vote for third parties (and independents, particuarly at local council level) is going to increase. The BNP are obviously the most worrying factor in this equation. Their growth is based to a large extent on appealing to those people who don't normally vote and feel abandoned by the mainstream parties. While it's far too early to get complacent their growth does seem to have slowed. I suspect this is largely because generally speaking the BNP councillers have been lazy and incompetent- it's very noticable that they're a lot better at getting elected for the first time then getting re-elected.

Declaring an interest (I'm a member) the other group that is targetting the same voter base is the Independant Working Class Association (www.iwca.info). Very new, but we already have three councillers in Oxford. :) (Including one seat got by unseating the Labour Lord Mayor :D). We're also standing against cabinet minister Andrew Smith there in the general election which could be interesting.

What are your countries parties ? I am American so i was wondering.

Here's a list I found, I've not heard of many of them, though: Link (http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/parties.htm#british)

Going on the results from the European Elections the bigger ones include the Conservatives, (New) Labour, the Liberal Democrats, UKIP (UK Independance Party) and some minor parties like the Greens, RESPECT and so forth.

I think we need more proportional representation, myself.

I'll probably vote SNP (Scottish National Party) or SSP (Scottish Socialist Party). George Galloway is currently my MP. I don't know -- or care -- what he intends to do come the next election, but I wouldn't vote for that sun-kissed little egomaniac if my life depended on it. No doubt he'll be deselected by his local party and some New Labour drone will be parachuted in from Kensington... which could offer an ideal opportunity for either the SNP or SSP to snatch the seat (probably SNP, if truth be told, but you never know).