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Hey all American voters

I will not comment all the reasons in your domestic politic why I hope you americans will vote Kerry in the soon to come eletion. As I see it Bush is destroying your land. For instance : He is making more unemployment than any other presidents you have ever had and at the same time giving tax costs to only the 10 % wealthiest people in USA. But that is your problems and not mine.

The reason for this appeal is just a poor attempt to bring back some of the goodwill USA used to have in Europe. For the last 4 years under Bush this have almost totally been destroyed. The gab between EU and USA becomes bigger each day under Bush.

Let us start the friendship between Europe og USA again. Clinton did a fantastic job in he´s 8 years and he will always have a great status in all of Europe. Without the best american president ever ! But less can do it. Bush is completely the opposite. He will not help the rest of the world with the polution problem. He will not pay the debt USA have to UN. He is trying to isolate USA from the rest of the world on the most arrogant way possible. Etc. etc. In EU we do not like to see an American president trying to dictate how he think this world should be ruled. USA is not the dictator who can act like they pleased. Clinton knew this and so do Kerry. Bush don’t. Bush and he´s neoconservatism friends will bring back imperialism to the world with them up front. That is wrong and I hope you Americans are smart enough to see it.

You might know it but in Europe Bush hardly have any supporters. There was a big investigation have many europeans would vote Bush if asked. The answer was 6-10 % !! That is have we see Bush. In a place where peole used to like and respect USA and Americans generally. How do you think it is in the rest of the world ??

The world does not need to be divided. Please vote Kerry!

Tom Fenton from CBS have wrote about us Europeans : “But to get back to my original point that foreigners are frustrated because they can't decide this election.” Fenton is right about that. We cant vote for a better future for the world. You americans can and I hope you all will.

No, I don’t support Moore and have not seen the movie. And no, I am not from France og Germany. I am from Denmark. A country who supported the war in Iraq and a country that still celebrate 4. july and the friendship between USA and Denamrk each single year.

Yours truly

Kimmis
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4448630/

If your European why do you care so much about American politics? Let them isolate themselves

Sure Clinton was good at diplomatic crap but Im in the military and do you know how many of us will be cut, how many of our supplies will be gone, how much of a paycheck cut we will take under the democrats? I mean I barely make any money now! Ill have to live off of cardboard if Kerry gets in the whitehouse while we listen to him drone on and on about his big house and 3 purple hearts.

Mainly because the world is ours in common. If America acts it affects the rest of the world and the other way around. And because Bush thinks he is the king of the world and we Europeans should just shut up and do as told by him. Like he tell the rest of the world actully.

Bush is making to many conflicts in the world and is destroying the normally nice and wonderfull relationship between USA and EU. I prefer something else.

USA is not alone in the world.

The Steel Legions, I can surely understand you. But do you prefer war always because you and your kind wants to keep your jobs ??

I know that Bush is making more and more unemployment and it is why you think that way. But have you ever considered another kind of job if possible ??

Democracy = sheep

choose your master, lol

Mainly because the world is ours in common. If America acts it affects the rest of the world and the other way around. And because Bush thinks he is the king of the world and we Europeans should just shut up and do as told by him. Like he tell the rest of the world actully.

Bush is making to many conflicts in the world and is destroying the normally nice and wonderfull relationship between USA and EU. I prefer something else.

USA is not alone in the world.
dude the EU hasn't been around more then 10 years! so he's half of it but it's not like he's half of it

The Steel Legions, I can surely understand you. But do you prefer war always because you and your kind wants to keep your jobs ??

I know that Bush is making more and more unemployment and it is why you think that way. But have you ever considered another kind of job if possible ??

sure i have, i didnt say war keeps us employed, I mean I work for the Navy, and when the democrats were in office our navy was slashed in half. They cut almost 50 ships from active duty, that may not seem like a lot to civilians but when youve been around the ships you understand what I mean.

As an european I'd like to say, plaese vote Bush!

Anti-americanism has existed in Europe for more than a century. As far back as in 1881 the norewgian writer Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson wrote about this America-bashing, and that it should stop.

A leader of one of our political parties said not long ago "I will always support the week part in a conflict". Implisit this means she does not care about right and wrong, only week and strong. And the US is strong, so the US will never find support from her. She's far left, so she may be excuses, but this statement is still symptomatic of a lot of norwegians and europeans who love the victim and hate the strong.

USA got a lot of sympathy after 9/11. USA was the victim, do this only fit. But it did not take long before the accusations towards the US started. "You had it coming", "it was your own fault" etc. And the moment you decided tstrike back against the Taliban an Al-Qaida, all symptathy was gone. Of course it was, you stopped being the victim. Now Osama bin Laden was the victim, and Europe loved him instead. I still remember newspaper articles talk about how nice eyes Osama had, he looked like the kind of uncle while Bush looked... well... you get the idea. I also rember Norwegian writers, more than a hundred, signing a petition against the war against Taliban.

The short of the long is; USA, you're damend if you do and damned if you don't. Whatever you do it will be to much, or it will not be enough, and it will piss of some. The only thing that will please Europe is becoming weak and being a victim. Can you do that for us?

But lucky for you, even though stupid politicians all over Europe hate you, business will go on as usual. The need for business is stronger than stupid politicans, thank God. The fight against terrorism, the one done through cooperation of international intelligence, will go on. And whenever there's a need for strong actionas, Europe will never be able to stop you. Because Europe and the UN is so filled with nations that will oppose anything that is difficult or controverisal, that it will be impossible for Europe to stand together against the US in such situations.

And please remember, europeans are divided when it comes to the Iraqi war and Bush too. Even though we who support Bush is not collecting money to insert pro-Bush advertisements in your newspapers to match the anti-Bush advertisements that you'll probably see just before the election.

Speaking for all of America, I suggest that you need not worry because we surely will not vote Bush into office for a second term. How do I know? Well we didnt vote him into office for his first term* and after all the "Big Mistakes" his administration has made, there is no way he will get teh support he had during the first election.

* DBT/Choicepoint and Katherine Harris is who got Bush into office.

sure i have, i didnt say war keeps us employed, I mean I work for the Navy, and when the democrats were in office our navy was slashed in half. They cut almost 50 ships from active duty, that may not seem like a lot to civilians but when youve been around the ships you understand what I mean.

I remember all the base closures. god that was an awful time... but you know what. I rather see a Dem in office then Bush. Right now I am sitting here debateing myself because I dont like any of them to be honest. I think both Bush and Kerry are so full of carp they should start a ferterlizer biz together.

Neither Rep nor Dem as a single group is good for the people they both want to swing to the extremes... me ... I am a republocrate.

Speaking for all of America, I suggest that you need not worry because we surely will not vote Bush into office for a second term. How do I know? Well we didnt vote him into office for his first term* and after all the "Big Mistakes" his administration has made, there is no way he will get teh support he had during the first election.

* DBT/Choicepoint and Katherine Harris is who got Bush into office.

We DID elect GWB into office SB! He won it on the electoral Vote not the Popular Vote. We elect presidents based on the Electoral College as stated by the US Constitution.

I am a Bush Supporter and I will be voting for 4 MORE YEARS of GWB. I fear for our country if Kerry is elected.

As for his so called Big Mistakes, I guess you don't realize that Leaders can only make decisions based on the Intel given. If your talking about the Patriot Act, then I suggest you check the courts because so far, I haven't heard of any violations of civil rights going through the courts due to the Patriot Act.

As for not getting the support, check the polls. This is a very tight race and it still can go either way! I am confident that in the end, President GWB will be President for 4 MORE YEARS and that will cause terrorism headaches because we will stay the course against them whereas Kerry will not.

God Bless The USA
God Bless George W. Bush

*Canada joins in with Europe's plea to Americans*

Please, vote Kerry!

*Canada joins in with Europe's plea to Americans*

Please, vote Kerry!

Yea well you don't decide our elections for us so your words really mean nothing but thanks for replying!

Oh, I suggest that Canada start revamping their military and make it more modern too and support your troops.

*Counts money to get Unfit To Command*

Yea well you don't decide our elections for us so your words really mean nothing but thanks for replying!

Oh, I suggest that Canada start revamping their military and make it more modern too and support your troops.

*Counts money to get Unfit To Command*

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:D

I hope Kerry has a response because I want to hear from him regarding these charges.

:D

I hope Kerry has a response because I want to hear from him regarding these charges.

Well, why don't you ask John McCain & Max Cleland, it's the same group that went after them.. BIG surprise *NOT* :rolleyes:

Believe whatever you want Corniepie, you don't have to look at the facts if you don't want to. Ignorance is bliss and I wish I was ignorant of the facts too. Ahhh how nice it would be to think that Bush was doing a good job.

However, I am already planning a big bash for when Kerry mops the floor with Bush. Then we can get back on track to a positive safe future where we have more international support and we are fighting terrorism with intelligence instead of bombs.

Yea well you don't decide our elections for us so your words really mean nothing but thanks for replying!

Oh, I suggest that Canada start revamping their military and make it more modern too and support your troops.

*Counts money to get Unfit To Command*

Book titles are underlined, not italicized

Well, why don't you ask John McCain & Max Cleland, it's the same group that went after them.. BIG surprise *NOT* :rolleyes:

Kerry is running ONLY on his Veitnam record! Comeon, what about his Senate Record? WHy isn't he running on that? Oh that's right, he has no record :D

God Bless The USA
God Bless George W. Bush


Are you crazy or just a Nazi ("Got mit uns" was on the SS leather too, remember)? Why should God bless your nation? Do you think he is American? Yeah raise the flag at school in the morning, swear on the bible instead of on the constitution or law, sing the national hymne at school and you create blind, non critical people that think that God is on their side.

For a normal, healthy person "God bless France/US/Russia and God bless Chirac/Bush/Poetin sounds very stupid. In fact only the US republicans can be that stupid. Never heared it about other leaders because unlike the US, there is a separation between state and God.

Are you crazy or just a Nazi ("Got mit uns" was on the SS leather too, remember)? Why should God bless your nation? Do you think he is American? Yeah raise the flag at school in the morning, swear on the bible instead of on the constitution or law, sing the national hymne at school and you create blind, non critical people that think that God is on their side.

For a normal, healthy person "God bless France/US/Russia and God bless Chirac/Bush/Poetin sounds very stupid. In fact only the US republicans can be that stupid. Never heared it about other leaders because unlike the US, there is a separation between state and God.


Whenever I see "God Bless The USA" and or "God Bless Our Troops" I always think about how short-sighted this is.

How about God Bless The Earth and all the people of the world? Oh thats right, they say they care about everyone and want to libertate them yet they never seem to include them in their blessings. Is this hypocirital or just selfish?

We DID elect GWB into office SB! He won it on the electoral Vote not the Popular Vote. We elect presidents based on the Electoral College as stated by the US Constitution.

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Read U.S. Code Title 3. Florida had been ordered to do a recount of all districts. This was not done. Florida's submission of its list of electors should have been thrown out as invalid.

Are you crazy or just a Nazi ("Got mit uns" was on the SS leather too, remember)? Why should God bless your nation? Do you think he is American? Yeah raise the flag at school in the morning, swear on the bible instead of on the constitution or law, sing the national hymne at school and you create blind, non critical people that think that God is on their side.

For a normal, healthy person "God bless France/US/Russia and God bless Chirac/Bush/Poetin sounds very stupid. In fact only the US republicans can be that stupid. Never heared it about other leaders because unlike the US, there is a separation between state and God.

I'm an American! I have the full right to say what I want to say. I have the full right to as God to Bless whoever I want blessed. As the Bible Says. "Bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you" LOL!

I know God isn't an american. God is God! He is there for whoever wants him. I know I want him which is why I'm a christian and proud to be one.

Now one to your last Paragraph! Are you a psychologist that can read people's state of mind from wherever you are? No I don't think so. I will ignore the rest of it because it can be considered Flaming and I do. But I will say this, If I said God Bless Bill Clinton (D-AR), would you say that I was stup, or a nazi then say that only US democrats can be that stupid?

Are you crazy or just a Nazi ("Got mit uns" was on the SS leather too, remember)?
A stone (I'm being nice) can't fly.
You can't fly.

By your own logic,what does that make you?

The problem with the "Kerry fixes all" concept is that it isn't realistic. If Kerry gets elected, he won't be able to automatically get the goodwill back, no matter what he claims.

The US has always been a "lone wolf" of sorts, it comes from our regional isolation from the rest of the world. We have vastly different political-cultural beliefs from Europe.

Our government is set up differently from Europe. We don't rest all power in the legislature, we elect our president more directly than Europe. Our political parties are very very similar.

Our national political-cultural attitude is more conservative than the rest of the world. Which is emphasized by the "bootstrap" mentality, and a larger number of conservative christians. Americans also have a more aggressive, individualistic mentality, and we don't like to work in groups.

Europeans don't have a right to tell us how to run our economy though. And, frankly, some points in the opening article were wrong. The claim that unemployment is rising is false. And our unemployment rate is way better than theirs. The claim that tax cuts only went to the top ten percent is also false. I happened to notice a good chunk of change in the mail a few months ago, and I can tell you I am NOT in the top ten percent.

So there is my half awake rant, if you need clarification just TG me or something.

Read U.S. Code Title 3. Florida had been ordered to do a recount of all districts. This was not done. Florida's submission of its list of electors should have been thrown out as invalid.

In every recount, Bush won the election. You don't count spoiled ballots (that is more than one punch in a particular section)! Also, people are showing up that weren't registered, people showing up that moved from one district to another and didn't notify the voting board. The Dems tried to keep thousands of military ballots from getting counted (they vote republican by the way).

I'm an American! I have the full right to say what I want to say. I have the full right to as God to Bless whoever I want blessed. As the Bible Says. "Bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you" LOL!

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I think you may be confusing the U.S. of A. with Israel.

I'm an American! I have the full right to say what I want to say. I have the full right to as God to Bless whoever I want blessed. As the Bible Says. "Bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you" LOL!

I know God isn't an american. God is God! He is there for whoever wants him. I know I want him which is why I'm a christian and proud to be one.


Bla, bla, bla, what a diarrhoea of words...

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But I will say this, If I said God Bless Bill Clinton (D-AR), would you say that I was stup, or a nazi then say that only US democrats can be that stupid?[/QUOTE]

Yep,i would (unlike you, i know the consequenses of having a critical mind :p ) it is not about a party but it is a prooven fact that the US Rep. are the champs in this stupid behaviour.

I think you may be confusing the U.S. of A. with Israel.

HAHA!! You really have no clue do you? I know the difference between Israel and the USA. I know where Israel is on a map too. Hell I know where most of the world nations are on a map.

A stone (I'm being nice) can't fly.
You can't fly.

By your own logic,what does that make you?

In any case more intelligent then the shadow of your bacterial Rep. lifeform. :mp5:

HAHA!! You really have no clue do you? I know the difference between Israel and the USA. I know where Israel is on a map too.

Well congratulations, where i live, every 12 year old can :rolleyes: But it seems top be something special for republicans :p

In any case more intelligent then the shadow of your bacterial Rep. lifeform. :mp5:
Random trivia: 95% of the population think he/she has a higher IQ than the average. :rolleyes:

In every recount, Bush won the election. You don't count spoiled ballots (that is more than one punch in a particular section)! Also, people are showing up that weren't registered, people showing up that moved from one district to another and didn't notify the voting board. The Dems tried to keep thousands of military ballots from getting counted (they vote republican by the way).

Yeah, all our servicemen vote Republican :rolleyes:

The ballots have been counted several times since Bush took office, that is beside the point.

Did you bother to take my advice and read U.S. Code Title 3? Because it seems to me from your response that you haven't. I will provide you with assistance:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/3/

Take a look at Chapter 1 Section 5. The Supreme Court told them that the only legal application of their recount law was to recount the ballots of every district. They failed to do this by six days before the time fixed for the meeting of electors.

Europeans don't have a right to tell us how to run our economy though.
But I suppose the US has the right to tell the EU to take in Turkey in order to ruin ours huh?

Speaking for all of America, I suggest that you need not worry because we surely will not vote Bush into office for a second term. How do I know? Well we didnt vote him into office for his first term* and after all the "Big Mistakes" his administration has made, there is no way he will get teh support he had during the first election.

* DBT/Choicepoint and Katherine Harris is who got Bush into office.

All current polls disagree with you. It's a toss-up at this point; a 50-50 chance that President Bush will be RE-ELECTED.

HAHA!! You really have no clue do you? I know the difference between Israel and the USA. I know where Israel is on a map too. Hell I know where most of the world nations are on a map.

One of us seems to have missed the clue train. You seem to think that the verse that you cited was refering to the U.S.A., which did not yet exist when the words were first written down.

I will indulge myself in your off-topic boasting by adding this: I know where the coolest bar in Jerusalem is, and can take you there, having lived there for three years.

Also, people are showing up that weren't registered, people showing up that moved from one district to another and didn't notify the voting board. The Dems tried to keep thousands of military ballots from getting counted (they vote republican by the way).

A good number of the people who showed up "that weren't registered" weren't registered because they were unlawfully purged from the voter rolls by Katherine Harris, Bush's bestest bud. Several thousand voters were erroneously listed as felons, the vast majority of them likely Gore voters.

And if the government has at any point ordered the military to vote Republican, please let me know; my father and my boyfriend, both US Navy, are both registered Democrats.

A good number of the people who showed up "that weren't registered" weren't registered because they were unlawfully purged from the voter rolls by Katherine Harris, Bush's bestest bud. Several thousand voters were erroneously listed as felons, the vast majority of them likely Gore voters.
Actually it hasn't been proven that they were erroneously listed, there was just a lawsuit that ended in a settlement between the NAACP and the State of Florida that didn't really prove anything.

Kerry is running ONLY on his Veitnam record! Comeon, what about his Senate Record? WHy isn't he running on that? Oh that's right, he has no record :D

I know you're young Corneliu, so let me explain some thing to you, this election cycle is just getting started. The Republicans haven't even had their convention yet. Lets wait and see how the debates go. However, from what I'm hearing, Kerry's debate style is being compared to William. F. Buckley... This race hasn't even really started yet. Stay tuned!

Are you crazy or just a Nazi ("Got mit uns" was on the SS leather too, remember)? Why should God bless your nation? Do you think he is American? Yeah raise the flag at school in the morning, swear on the bible instead of on the constitution or law, sing the national hymne at school and you create blind, non critical people that think that God is on their side.

For a normal, healthy person "God bless France/US/Russia and God bless Chirac/Bush/Poetin sounds very stupid. In fact only the US republicans can be that stupid. Never heared it about other leaders because unlike the US, there is a separation between state and God.

The U.S. also has separation of church and state, directed by the First Amendment to our Constitution. If you think we don't have separation, you've probably never been here.

What is wrong with one asking God's blessing on one's country? It's not claiming that God is "on our side", it's simply asking for His blessing.

Actually it hasn't been proven that they were erroneously listed, there was just a lawsuit that ended in a settlement between the NAACP and the State of Florida that didn't really prove anything.

It's not the sort of thing that has to be proven - it's a guy standing at his voting precinct and saying, "Hey, I'm not a felon, but they've got me listed as a felon." The fact that one guy was able to stand up and say that could have been a mistake; the fact that several thousand were able to do so has got to be more than coincidence.

YAY FOR BJØRN STJERNE BJØRNSON! ^_^
Im a proud Norwegian anti american, and Bush is a bloody faggot!
He bought USA to the buttom, and if too many people vote for him, they won't get up!
NO to bush! Join the international rebellion!
USA, you are not alone in the world, and your action affects other people!

A black woman for president, that would rule!

As for his so called Big Mistakes, I guess you don't realize that Leaders can only make decisions based on the Intel given. If your talking about the Patriot Act, then I suggest you check the courts because so far, I haven't heard of any violations of civil rights going through the courts due to the Patriot Act.



God Bless The USA
God Bless George W. Bush


Bla, bla, bla Jezus,wich democratic nation dares to make "patriot acts/laws", you guys really neeed some freedom back in this country dominated by fear (wich uis good for the Reps and other fascists).

"In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first"

Ambrose Bierce, DEVIL'S DICTIONARY

It's not the sort of thing that has to be proven - it's a guy standing at his voting precinct and saying, "Hey, I'm not a felon, but they've got me listed as a felon." The fact that one guy was able to stand up and say that could have been a mistake; the fact that several thousand were able to do so has got to be more than coincidence.
Either that or they didn't follow the election rules & regulations right. It makes it seem more convincing if you can pin it on the evil Republicans and Katherine Harris. There's a reason that Gore & Co. mainly focused on recounting and bad ballot machines, because they knew this was a rather dead end.

(wich uis good for the Reps and other fascists).
And it sure helps when the Dems pitch in and do things like... write the Patriot Act, wouldn't you agree? Or is everyone in Ameirca fascists.

A black woman for president, that would rule!


Yeah, that would rock!
Who do you suggest? Ophrah? Diana Ross? Sure would give the crampened by fear US the juvenile cure it needs and bring it up to the level of decent states. (OK the level of Norway is to high for the US but France or other EU countries must be affordable for them)

And it sure helps when the Dems pitch in and do things like... write the Patriot Act, wouldn't you agree? Or is everyone in Ameirca fascists.


"In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first"

Ambrose Bierce, DEVIL'S DICTIONARY

Yeah, that would rock!
Who do you suggest? Ophrah? Diana Ross? Sure would give the crampened by fear US the juvenile cure it needs and bring it up to the level of decent states. (OK the level of Norway is to high for the US but France or other EU countries must be affordable for them)

Winnie Mandela.

Is she out of prison? :D

Look- American needs to put aside petty bipartisan differences and work to salvage our reputation in the world. That's all. We need the world just as much as they need us.

Bla, bla, bla Jezus,wich democratic nation dares to make "patriot acts/laws", you guys really neeed some freedom back in this country dominated by fear (wich uis good for the Reps and other fascists).

"In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first"

Ambrose Bierce, DEVIL'S DICTIONARY

PWNED!!!111oneoneoneoneone

:) :p :cool:

I couldn't care less what Mr. Bierce has to say, his satire is a bit old for my tastes, being you know almost a century old.

And the moment you decided tstrike back against the Taliban an Al-Qaida, all symptathy was gone. Of course it was, you stopped being the victim. Now Osama bin Laden was the victim, and Europe loved him instead.

OK, I don't think anyone's really picked up on this one sentence within the rest of that spiel, but I just have to point out that no-one in the Europe in which I live thought anything like that about bin Laden. If anything we were making crappy jokes about his beard.

Where Dubya went wrong was confusing sympathy and support after 11 September with unconditional support for everything he did. And he makes Americans look stupid with his ability to 'misunderestimate' words, reducing the respect US citizens get abroad. That in itself is unfair to the general populace.

Vote Bush if you must. Vote in Ronald McDonald for all I care, at least he admits he's a clown.

Actually on that note, who was the last US President to have a beard? I can think only of Grant, and that's only 'cos he's on the $50 bill.

I couldn't care less what Mr. Bierce has to say, his satire is a bit old for my tastes, being you know almost a century old.
it is still more intelligent, witty, and understandable than anything that comes out of Bush's mouth, maybe he should stop editing the speaches his writers do for him..

Be careful what you wish for.
Your first black female president could well be Condoleezza Rice.

Speaking for all of America, I suggest that you need not worry because we surely will not vote Bush into office for a second term. How do I know? Well we didnt vote him into office for his first term* and after all the "Big Mistakes" his administration has made, there is no way he will get teh support he had during the first election.

* DBT/Choicepoint and Katherine Harris is who got Bush into office.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!

Sorry son but you dont speak for all of America, besides like I have said in some other threads, why should we care what Europe thinks? I sure as hell dont. If you want a politically correct liberal paradise then move to canada or Europe. Yes I am bastard. East coast Rules!

it is still more intelligent, witty, and understandable than anything that comes out of Bush's mouth, maybe he should stop editing the speaches his writers do for him..

He should also learn to spell S-P-E-E-C-H-E-S. That would help his credibility when discussing the intelligence of others.

He should also learn to spell S-P-E-E-C-H-E-S. That would help his credibility when discussing the intelligence of others.
oh yes, good job i mispell a single word and you be an ass, stop defending him, you know he is an idiot who should pay other people to read his SPEECHES instead of just write them

oh yes, good job i mispell a single word and you be an ass, stop defending him, you know he is an idiot who should pay other people to read his SPEECHES instead of just write them

Two words actually. M-I-S-S-P-E-L-L.

It is germane to the argument when you're criticizing someone else's intelligence and command of the English language.

YAY FOR BJØRN STJERNE BJØRNSON! ^_^
Im a proud Norwegian anti american, and Bush is a bloody faggot!
He bought USA to the buttom, and if too many people vote for him, they won't get up!
NO to bush! Join the international rebellion!
USA, you are not alone in the world, and your action affects other people!

A black woman for president, that would rule!


Dang, and I thought things were going pretty well over here. I feel so foolish!

I think that the idea that we would not reelect our president because of misinformed people in other countries is rediculous.

I think that the idea that we would not reelect our president because of misinformed people in other countries is rediculous.

We may not be as misinformed as you think we are and thus it wouldn't be ridiculous

God Bless The USA
God Bless George W. Bush

And thats why some people confuse patriotism with blind nationalism.

Two words actually. M-I-S-S-P-E-L-L.

It is germane to the argument when you're criticizing someone else's intelligence and command of the English language.
mispell is a perfectly usable spelling

wow, i can't type, good job dumbass, at least i can pronounce "nu-cleer" which isn't "nyu-kyu-lur"

We may not be as misinformed as you think we are and thus it wouldn't be ridiculous

Well, it is a bit ridiculous to have people who don't live here constantly spouting off nonsense about our country going down the toilet. It really isn't any different than it was five years ago - except now people put american flag stickers on their cars...

mispell is a perfectly usable spelling

wow, i can't type, good job dumbass, at least i can pronounce "nu-cleer" which isn't "nyu-kyu-lur"

That would be a comma splice.

Wow....well, this is one American who CAN vote. Seeing as the rest of the world is telling us what we should do, and being so fiercely independent and being told what to do by others is anathema to us, I will exersize my right and vote for the candidate that I want to.

For the record, I will be voting for Bush because I think he is best for the US, NOT the rest of the world. No, we are not alone in the world, but we elect our leaders to lead us. The rest of the world can, and will, take care of itself.

Many claim that Bush is a liar, but now they are taking a long look at Kerry now and MANY things he has said are outright fabrications. He was in Cambodia for Christmas of 1968? Sure he was. He claims he was there because of the "failed policies of Nixon." Really? Nixon did not take office for several weeks AFTER that was supposed to have happened, so Kerry lied. His camp has said they will get clarification, but none has been forthcoming yet. No, I will NEVER vote for a man who is running on a 4 month period of his life ONLY. Thats it...4 months, NOTHING about his 19 years in the Senate.

Well, it is a bit ridiculous to have people who don't live here constantly spouting off nonsense about our country going down the toilet. It really isn't any different than it was five years ago - except now people put american flag stickers on their cars...

I spent a lot of my youth travelling around the US, I also live in Canada, we have a rather good grasp of the way things work in America obviously. I think it's fair to say most Canadians know as much about the US as we do about Canada.

However, besides the point, it's not what the US is doing domestically that has the rest of us in the world crying foul, it's what the US is doing outside of their borders that we have a problem with. Thus, it's very much our business.

US law and morals etc, mean nothing outside of your own borders. The sooner Americans realize this, the better off the world will be. Why do you think these people hate the US and want to kill you in the first place? Because they're jealous? Hardly..Norway, Canada to just name two countries both have a higher standard of living then the US does, you don't see terrorists trying to kill us now do you? No, you don't. Why? Because we don't try to impose our will around the world onto others who aren't interested. You want to know why you're in the situation you find yourself in today? You need look no further then your foreign policy.

Wow....well, this is one American who CAN vote. Seeing as the rest of the world is telling us what we should do, and being so fiercely independent and being told what to do by others is anathema to us, I will exersize my right and vote for the candidate that I want to.

Which is perfectly fair, as the US seems to be so keen on telling the rest of the world what it cna and cannot do as well. Difference of course being, when the US doesn't like the leader it tries to undermine them. So now we're just producing in like terms. You can vote for whoever you want to, but I would advise to give Bush the shove and find a better candidate. Take it or leave it. Unlike some people (and nations) I'm not trying to force my opinion on you.

Which is perfectly fair, as the US seems to be so keen on telling the rest of the world what it cna and cannot do as well. Difference of course being, when the US doesn't like the leader it tries to undermine them. So now we're just producing in like terms. You can vote for whoever you want to, but I would advise to give Bush the shove and find a better candidate. Take it or leave it. Unlike some people (and nations) I'm not trying to force my opinion on you.

Amen!

mispell is a perfectly usable spelling

No, it is incorrect. Look it up.

Um, maybe this is just me, but where do Europeans get the right to tell us who to vote for in our election? This was America the last time I checked...we won our independence from you long ago, but you never know who's still bitter. Which brings up another point I've been meaning to discuss that's completely unrelated to this topic: why Europeans think we're uncultured. Well, maybe we are, but "cultured" (meaning white Europeans, because that's the kind of culture we're presumably missing) people have only been here since the 1600's. How long have they been in Europe? Oh that's right, since the days of homo erectus. Incidentally, America had a very unique native culture until the "cultured" Eurpoeans came over and destroyed the Native Americans with weapons and diseases, just like they did in South America, Africa, and pretty much everywhere else in the world, and forced them into exile and kicked them on reservations. Now their decsendants complain that we have no culture. Ironic, isn't it?

Having said that, vote Kerry! He's open-minded about things like stem cell research and gay marriages...and he's willing to work with the UN. Oh, and he's literate.

are all republicans english majors now or just assholes?

Yea well you don't decide our elections for us so your words really mean nothing but thanks for replying!



Attitudes like that are the #1 reason why the world hates us.....

No, it is incorrect. Look it up.
i already did so be my guest

Um, maybe this is just me, but where do Europeans get the right to tell us who to vote for in our election? This was America the last time I checked.

Too bad American foreign policy doesn't take your advice, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

are all republicans english majors now or just assholes?
I dunno, maybe they just get tired of seeing endless amounts of stuff about Bush's language...

US law and morals etc, mean nothing outside of your own borders. The sooner Americans realize this, the better off the world will be. Why do you think these people hate the US and want to kill you in the first place?


Um....because they are religious zealots perhaps? We are the largest country with western ideals and values. Obviously we are going to have a significant amount of influence on the rest of the world.



Because they're jealous? Hardly..Norway, Canada to just name two countries both have a higher standard of living then the US does, you don't see terrorists trying to kill us now do you? No, you don't. Why? Because we don't try to impose our will around the world onto others who aren't interested. You want to know why you're in the situation you find yourself in today? You need look no further then your foreign policy.

There are a lot of other countries that are the focus of terrorist attacks

However, besides the point, it's not what the US is doing domestically that has the rest of us in the world crying foul, it's what the US is doing outside of their borders that we have a problem with. Thus, it's very much our business.

US law and morals etc, mean nothing outside of your own borders. The sooner Americans realize this, the better off the world will be. Why do you think these people hate the US and want to kill you in the first place? Because they're jealous? Hardly..Norway, Canada to just name two countries both have a higher standard of living then the US does, you don't see terrorists trying to kill us now do you? No, you don't. Why? Because we don't try to impose our will around the world onto others who aren't interested. You want to know why you're in the situation you find yourself in today? You need look no further then your foreign policy.

EVERY country has a foreign policy that is in their self interest. That the US does should be no surprise to anyone.

Why do people hate the US. Who cares really, there are so many reasons. Some because of our foreign policy and some because they see US culture as a threat to their own. Well, there are choices the latter can make. The former may be justified, however, someone in Norway is hardly affected by what is going on in Iraq.

US foreign policy is NOT going to change even if Kerry wins, it is larger than one man.

That would be a comma splice.

Relax, Chess. I was just messing with you.

Why do people hate the US. Who cares really, there are so many reasons. Some because of our foreign policy and some because they see US culture as a threat to their own.


Why do yanks always assume we must hate the US if we are critical of the government?

There is such a thing as a difference between the administration and the nation itself you know...

We are the largest country with western ideals and values. Obviously we are going to have a significant amount of influence on the rest of the world.

First of all you're not the largest country, Russia is then followed by Canada. Unless you were talking about population, please be specific.


There are a lot of other countries that are the focus of terrorist attacks

....And why are these "other" countries targets? Simple, for backing the US foreign policy.

This isn't rocket science dear.

Why do yanks always assume we must hate the US if we are critical of the government?

There is such a thing as a difference between the administration and the nation itself you know...

Very true and I realize that....but that has been the normal way of addressing the condition.

I dunno, maybe they just get tired of seeing endless amounts of stuff about Bush's language...
maybe they should accept he has a lacking grasp on the english language, despite his SPEECH writers

First of all you're not the largest country, Russia is then followed by Canada. Unless you were talking about population, please be specific.




....And why are these "other" countries targets? Simple, for backing the US foreign policy.

This isn't rocket science dear.

Well...Saudi Arabia is because of the royal family. Other than that, you might be correct. However, those who oppose it are basically "stateless" combatants. They will be defeated in time.

The problem with the "Kerry fixes all" concept is that it isn't realistic. If Kerry gets elected, he won't be able to automatically get the goodwill back, no matter what he claims.

Kerry's election will be celebrated all over Europe. He may have a hard time keeping sympathy, but he's going to get it.

maybe they should accept he has a lacking grasp on the english language, despite his SPEECH writers
How can you have speech writers for a press conference? You can't.

But I suppose the US has the right to tell the EU to take in Turkey in order to ruin ours huh?

Actually, the US doesn't have that right. It is your own business. But in my opinion you should leave Turkey out until they meet the standards that everyone else has to meet.

Well...Saudi Arabia is because of the royal family. Other than that, you might be correct. However, those who oppose it are basically "stateless" combatants. They will be defeated in time.

Maybe, just maybe it's your unfair and un-relentless support of Israel no matter what they do or what Geneva Conventions they break. Hmm, maybe? Maybe because these people don't want you on their land, that they consider "holy" maybe because the house of Saud allowed you to base on their holy land. That couldn't possibly have any thing to do with it, right?

So of course the logical thing is to invade a Muslim country that had nothing to do with attacking you on 9/11. I give up on you people. You're beyond help, beyond any type of rational.

We don't tell you who to vote for in your country, so don't tell us who to vote for in ours.

Look- American needs to put aside petty bipartisan differences and work to salvage our reputation in the world. That's all. We need the world just as much as they need us.


Simple but effective.

Kerry's election will be celebrated all over Europe. He may have a hard time keeping sympathy, but he's going to get it.

His election may be celebrated by the masses, but in government and academic circles the same resentment will still exist. I personally doubt that most higher-ups care who the president of the US is. For all they care we could elect Nader and they'd still dislike us. (my opinion, feel free to disagree)

disclaimer:

I need food.

We don't tell you who to vote for in your country, so don't tell us who to vote for in ours.

I will note that it was a request, not a demand. Some Americans may have difficulty understanding the concept of a "request" though, so I understand if you have a hard time picking up the difference.

We don't tell you who to vote for in your country, so don't tell us who to vote for in ours.

No, you don't tell us who to vote for. You just overthrow our governments and install dictatorships who are on friendly terms with the US. Or place embargoes, tariffs, and various other measures to tell nations what to do. Don't play innocent. We've as much a right to advise you on who to vote for as you do with us.

Maybe, just maybe it's your unfair and un-relentless support of Israel no matter what they do or what Geneva Conventions they break. Hmm, maybe? Maybe because these people don't want you on their land, that they consider "holy" maybe because the house of Saud allowed you to base on their holy land. That couldn't possibly have any thing to do with it, right?

So of course the logical thing is to invade a Muslim country that had nothing to do with attacking you on 9/11. I give up on you people. You're beyond help, beyond any type of rational.

Well, lets see....had Saddam marched across Saudi Arabia in 1990...and there was nothing to stop him until the US got there, do you think things would be different there? The Saudi's and the US had a mutual defense treaty and the Saudi's called upon the US to honor it, which we did. The same is true of Kuwait, but thats easily forgotten right? ;) So the US lived up to its commitment and you say we were wrong for doing so? Had we not and Saddam had taken Saudi Arabia as well as Kuwait and the turned off the oil...the whole world would have dropped into a depression that would make 1929 look like a hiccup.

Israel...well, lets just say that realistically, Europe created Israel, not the US. The Jews did not flee the US to go there now did they? Nor are they today...but they are leaving Europe again. That we support them today is a good thing, but then again, I like the Jewish people.

Actually, the US doesn't have that right. It is your own business. But in my opinion you should leave Turkey out until they meet the standards that everyone else has to meet.

Bush disagrees with you there. He's urged the EU to include Turkey on two occasions that I know of.

I spent a lot of my youth travelling around the US, I also live in Canada, we have a rather good grasp of the way things work in America obviously. I think it's fair to say most Canadians know as much about the US as we do about Canada.

However, besides the point, it's not what the US is doing domestically that has the rest of us in the world crying foul, it's what the US is doing outside of their borders that we have a problem with. Thus, it's very much our business.

US law and morals etc, mean nothing outside of your own borders. The sooner Americans realize this, the better off the world will be. Why do you think these people hate the US and want to kill you in the first place? Because they're jealous? Hardly..Norway, Canada to just name two countries both have a higher standard of living then the US does, you don't see terrorists trying to kill us now do you? No, you don't. Why? Because we don't try to impose our will around the world onto others who aren't interested. You want to know why you're in the situation you find yourself in today? You need look no further then your foreign policy.


You may have a higher standard of living based on proportions, but Canada has a higher poverty rate in proportion as well. Neglected to add that I see. Oh incase you want to refute that statement. It was given to me by my friend who works in Canada for the government.

First of all you're not the largest country, Russia is then followed by Canada. Unless you were talking about population, please be specific.


Thanks for the lesson. I was talking about population, obviously. I will speak slower next time.


....And why are these "other" countries targets? Simple, for backing the US foreign policy.

This isn't rocket science dear.

Irrelevant

His election may be celebrated by the masses, but in government and academic circles the same resentment will still exist. I personally doubt that most higher-ups care who the president of the US is. For all they care we could elect Nader and they'd still dislike us. (my opinion, feel free to disagree)

disclaimer:

I need food.
Actually, I hope that Kerry will be less likely to implement good friends as diplomats in the capitals of Europe. Thus we might actually get qualified people (such as Kornblum under Clinton) that could work on good relations between the countries. Some of Bush's choices for diplomats were a slap in the face to the countries they were in.

No, you don't tell us who to vote for. You just overthrow our governments and install dictatorships who are on friendly terms with the US. Or place embargoes, tariffs, and various other measures to tell nations what to do. Don't play innocent. We've as much a right to advise you on who to vote for as you do with us.

Asia and Europe use Tariffs just as must as the US so that argument doesn't wash.

*More rambling madness*

I don't believe that the peoples around the world hate the US. I believe that they are massively p.o'ed at our government, but that they have a general goodwill towards Americans (except for that old woman in Frankfurt, I did not appreciate having hard cider thrown all over my coat just because I came from the US)

What I suspect the people in other countries want is for more respect from Americans. During my recent trip to Europe I would often enter a shop and the people would know very little English and they would just motioned to me to sit somewhere, but when I started to talk in German they warmed up to the crackpot American tourist.

Similar thing went with Austria, Switzerland and France, although my knowledge of Italian is very lacking, so parts of Die Schweiz were harder.

Asia and Europe use Tariffs just as must as the US so that argument doesn't wash.
Well, the US placed tariffs on European steel in order to safeguard its markets and turned a deaf ear to European protest. When the EU returned the gesture, the US whined about it being unfair.

*More rambling madness*

I don't believe that the peoples around the world hate the US. I believe that they are massively p.o'ed at our government, but that they have a general goodwill towards Americans (except for that old woman in Frankfurt, I did not appreciate having hard cider thrown all over my coat just because I came from the US)



Ah yes, the Germans. I much enjoyed having rocks thrown at me on the way to school and the constant barrage of cherry bombs being launched at my house...but this was just from the younger people. The older Germans were quite nice.

Well, the US placed tariffs on European steel in order to safeguard its markets and turned a deaf ear to European protest. When the EU returned the gesture, the US whined about it being unfair.

Steel tariffs were a bad idea. The EU has plenty of tariffs of its own. Bananas anyone?

You know what. If European nations hate America so much. How about we just pack up and go home. I'm sure your nations will just thrive without our factories over there. We should just make a law that all corporations that have invested in european car makers to pull up stakes and come home. Then let us see what happens to the mighty EU.

Let me see.. no more american cigarettes, soft drinks.. not a thing.

*this is sarcastic by the way if you can't tell*

I hate to upset all you Canadians and Europeans, but unless something major happens, Bush is gonna win. Kerry is at a serious disadvantage in the electorial college coming into this election, and he is not convincing enough of the American public to over come it. To be honest, we don't really care all that much for your good will. After a century of laying down American lives to protect you against facists and communists, spending billions of our tax pay dollars, if a disagreement over how to handle the middle east causes you so much ill will toward us, we don't care. Our president's job is to look out for the United States best interests, not for the EUs. Boy you sure didn't mind us interfering when Hitler and Stalin were breathing down your necks.

Ah yes, the Germans. I much enjoyed having rocks thrown at me on the way to school and the constant barrage of cherry bombs being launched at my house...but this was just from the younger people. The older Germans were quite nice.

My very first impression of the UK was having rocks thrown at me and being told to "go home." However, I did have some wonderful times there as well. Nothing like those first impressions though. ;)

As an european I'd like to say, plaese vote Bush!

Anti-americanism has existed in Europe for more than a century. As far back as in 1881 the norewgian writer Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson wrote about this America-bashing, and that it should stop.

A leader of one of our political parties said not long ago "I will always support the week part in a conflict". Implisit this means she does not care about right and wrong, only week and strong. And the US is strong, so the US will never find support from her. She's far left, so she may be excuses, but this statement is still symptomatic of a lot of norwegians and europeans who love the victim and hate the strong.

USA got a lot of sympathy after 9/11. USA was the victim, do this only fit. But it did not take long before the accusations towards the US started. "You had it coming", "it was your own fault" etc. And the moment you decided tstrike back against the Taliban an Al-Qaida, all symptathy was gone. Of course it was, you stopped being the victim. Now Osama bin Laden was the victim, and Europe loved him instead. I still remember newspaper articles talk about how nice eyes Osama had, he looked like the kind of uncle while Bush looked... well... you get the idea. I also rember Norwegian writers, more than a hundred, signing a petition against the war against Taliban.

The short of the long is; USA, you're damend if you do and damned if you don't. Whatever you do it will be to much, or it will not be enough, and it will piss of some. The only thing that will please Europe is becoming weak and being a victim. Can you do that for us?

But lucky for you, even though stupid politicians all over Europe hate you, business will go on as usual. The need for business is stronger than stupid politicans, thank God. The fight against terrorism, the one done through cooperation of international intelligence, will go on. And whenever there's a need for strong actionas, Europe will never be able to stop you. Because Europe and the UN is so filled with nations that will oppose anything that is difficult or controverisal, that it will be impossible for Europe to stand together against the US in such situations.

And please remember, europeans are divided when it comes to the Iraqi war and Bush too. Even though we who support Bush is not collecting money to insert pro-Bush advertisements in your newspapers to match the anti-Bush advertisements that you'll probably see just before the election.

I want to thank you for understanding some of the position we are put in … regardless of presidential candidates I just want to thank you

You may have a higher standard of living based on proportions, but Canada has a higher poverty rate in proportion as well. Neglected to add that I see. Oh incase you want to refute that statement. It was given to me by my friend who works in Canada for the government.

I'd like to see some facts or statistics on this. That's so wonderful that you have a friend who works in Canada and who told you this info. I live in Canada myself and have never heard of this statistic or supposed "fact". I however, do know many government employees and I can tell you many of them are idiots.

I hate to upset all you Canadians and Europeans, but unless something major happens, Bush is gonna win. Kerry is at a serious disadvantage in the electorial college coming into this election, and he is not convincing enough of the American public to over come it. To be honest, we don't really care all that much for your good will. After a century of laying down American lives to protect you against facists and communists, spending billions of our tax pay dollars, if a disagreement over how to handle the middle east causes you so much ill will toward us, we don't care. Our president's job is to look out for the United States best interests, not for the EUs. Boy you sure didn't mind us interfering when Hitler and Stalin were breathing down your necks.

This does not help...it only enforces an annoying stereotype.

You know what. If European nations hate America so much. How about we just pack up and go home. I'm sure your nations will just thrive without our factories over there. We should just make a law that all corporations that have invested in european car makers to pull up stakes and come home. Then let us see what happens to the mighty EU.

Let me see.. no more american cigarettes, soft drinks.. not a thing.

*this is sarcastic by the way if you can't tell*

In the words of JFK "Bring, it, on." ;)

Steel tariffs were a bad idea. The EU has plenty of tariffs of its own. Bananas anyone?
Yes, and they're considering dropping the ones on agriculture in order to give African exports the semblance of a chance.

Yes, and they're considering dropping the ones on agriculture in order to give African exports the semblance of a chance.


A "semblance" of a chance. I like that, it is quite truthful. ;)

This does not help...it only enforces an annoying stereotype.
It's not a stereotype as you can see for yourself.

It's not a stereotype as you can see for yourself.

Yes it is...we are not ALL like that.

Yes it is...we are not ALL like that.
Just a minority. Neglectable.

You know what. If European nations hate America so much. How about we just pack up and go home. I'm sure your nations will just thrive without our factories over there. We should just make a law that all corporations that have invested in european car makers to pull up stakes and come home. Then let us see what happens to the mighty EU.

Let me see.. no more american cigarettes, soft drinks.. not a thing.

*this is sarcastic by the way if you can't tell*

Ceasing trade would hurt both the US and the EU. Plus, so many corporations have stakeholders in both places.

This does not help...it only enforces an annoying stereotype.

You know it is not a stereo type. Both of my grandfathers were at Normandy. If Europeans want to feel ill will toward us, the heck with them. When they need something they will sing a different tune.

I'd like to see some facts or statistics on this. That's so wonderful that you have a friend who works in Canada and who told you this info. I live in Canada myself and have never heard of this statistic or supposed "fact". I however, do know many government employees and I can tell you many of them are idiots.


National poverty data are calculated using the official Census definition of poverty, which has remained fairly standard since it was introduced in the 1960s and is useful for measuring progress against poverty. Under this definition, poverty is determined by comparing pretax cash income with the poverty threshold, which adjusts for family size and composition. 1 In 2002, according to the official measure, 12.1 percent of the total U.S. population lived in poverty ( Table 1).

taken from: http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/irp/faqs/faq3.htm

canada's: The national poverty rate fell from 15.8% in 1999 to 14.7% in 2000 – the last year for which there
are data.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:r4QPDo0MzUsJ:www.ccsd.ca/pubs/2003/psi/bg-es.pdf+canadas+national+poverty+rate&hl=en

You know it is not a stereo type. Both of my grandfathers were at Normandy. If Europeans want to feel ill will toward us, the heck with them. When they need something they will sing a different tune.

Well, you will find that when Americans say that we won WWII or "saved" Europe from Hitler or Stalin they are discounting the fact that the US was not the ONLY nation fighting in that conflict. We were one of MANY nations fighting against tyranny. Realizing the sensibilities of this will make any other point you want to make accepted easier. Building a wall agianst yourself like that does not help and it goes a long way to making others think that we are ALL like this, and that is simply NOT the case.

You know it is not a stereo type. Both of my grandfathers were at Normandy. If Europeans want to feel ill will toward us, the heck with them. When they need something they will sing a different tune.
If I recall correctly, while the other nations were fighting the Germans and Japanese, the US was quite happy to sell their weapons and not get involved untill late 1941. You made quite a good amount of cash on our back. War got you out of the depression. So, as much as we are thankfull of your help, you should see it as a profitable for both sides of the equation because without our money, you'd may still be in the gutter.

National poverty data are calculated using the official Census definition of poverty, which has remained fairly standard since it was introduced in the 1960s and is useful for measuring progress against poverty. Under this definition, poverty is determined by comparing pretax cash income with the poverty threshold, which adjusts for family size and composition. 1 In 2002, according to the official measure, 12.1 percent of the total U.S. population lived in poverty ( Table 1).

taken from: http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/irp/faqs/faq3.htm

canada's: The national poverty rate fell from 15.8% in 1999 to 14.7% in 2000 – the last year for which there
are data.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:r4QPDo0MzUsJ:www.ccsd.ca/pubs/2003/psi/bg-es.pdf+canadas+national+poverty+rate&hl=en



It is a bit pointless to debate poverty levels - especially in countries of this size. A dollar is worth more in NYC than in Alabama - and people get by just fine down there. I assume it is the same for Canada. Those who live outside urban areas may be considered to be in poverty, but manage quite well.

If I recall correctly, while the other nations were fighting the Germans and Japanese, the US was quite happy to sell their weapons and not get involved untill late 1941. You made quite a good amount of cash on our back. War got you out of the depression. So, as much as we are thankfull of your help, you should see it as a profitable for both sides of the equation because without our money, you'd may still be in the gutter.
Didn´t they give you a discount or something? You OWE them.

You may have a higher standard of living based on proportions, but Canada has a higher poverty rate in proportion as well.

Oh! A civil servant told you, well it must be true.. *LOL* Sorry it's a lie. You made the claim, prove it!

Source?

If I recall correctly, while the other nations were fighting the Germans and Japanese, the US was quite happy to sell their weapons and not get involved untill late 1941. You made quite a good amount of cash on our back. War got you out of the depression. So, as much as we are thankfull of your help, you should see it as a profitable for both sides of the equation because without our money, you'd may still be in the gutter.


You know. There is only one nation from WWII that ever PAID the US for war materials. FINLAND! No other country has. So how is that making money?

If I recall correctly, while the other nations were fighting the Germans and Japanese, the US was quite happy to sell their weapons and not get involved untill late 1941. You made quite a good amount of cash on our back. War got you out of the depression. So, as much as we are thankfull of your help, you should see it as a profitable for both sides of the equation because without our money, you'd may still be in the gutter.


We went into debt during WWII
We raised taxes
We gave away a crap load of money. Marshall plan anyone? - The program cost the American taxpayers $11,820,700,000

http://www.marshallfoundation.org/about_gcm/marshall_plan.htm

Oh! A civil servant told you, well it must be true.. *LOL* Sorry it's a lie. You made the claim, prove it!

Source?


Check on page 8. So I more than proved it. So get off your high horse.

You know. There is only one nation from WWII that ever PAID the US for war materials. FINLAND! No other country has. So how is that making money?

That has nothing to do with Canada. In fact, Canadian war factories were safe from bombing. Canada became an arsenal, and was Britain's chief overseas supplier of war materiel.

Canada did not accept American Lend-Lease aid. Actually Canada ran its own lend-lease program for its allies called "Mutual Aid", supplying its allies with four billion dollars worth of war materiel. A further credit of a billion dollars was given to Britain.

If I recall correctly, while the other nations were fighting the Germans and Japanese, the US was quite happy to sell their weapons and not get involved untill late 1941. You made quite a good amount of cash on our back. War got you out of the depression. So, as much as we are thankfull of your help, you should see it as a profitable for both sides of the equation because without our money, you'd may still be in the gutter.

See...THIS is why US foreign policy is what it is today. Why, before Pearl harbor should the US have gotten into WWII? It was at that time a European and Asian conflict.

That Japan attacked the US would NOT have brought the US into the war in Europe had Hitler not declared war on the US.

So imagine what might have happened had the US NOT gotten embroiled in the European war.

We went into debt during WWII
We raised taxes
We gave away a crap load of money. Marshall plan anyone? - The program cost the American taxpayers $11,820,700,000

http://www.marshallfoundation.org/about_gcm/marshall_plan.htm
And Germany was paying the US back for it well into the eighties.

Check on page 8. So I more than proved it. So get off your high horse.

You said some one in the Canadian government told you.. that's not proof dear..

Source it, or it's Bullshit!

That has nothing to do with Canada. In fact, Canadian war factories were safe from bombing. Canada became an arsenal, and was Britain's chief overseas supplier of war materiel.

Canada did not accept American Lend-Lease aid. Actually Canada ran its own lend-lease program for its allies called "Mutual Aid", supplying its allies with four billion dollars worth of war materiel. A further credit of a billion dollars was given to Britain.

Sorry for my oversight about Canada.

You said some one in the Canadian government told you.. that's not proof dear..

Source it, or it's Bullshit!


I LISTED ON PAGE 8 if you would care to read 2 LINKS!

here they are again since you cannot be bother with FACTS it seems

http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/irp/faqs/faq3.htm

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:r4QPDo0MzUsJ:www.ccsd.ca/pubs/2003/psi/bg-es.pdf+canadas+national+poverty+rate&hl=en

Didn´t they give you a discount or something? You OWE them.

Your right, they do owe us a bit of loyalty. You want to disagree with our polcies, more power to you, but the hatred expressed towards us after the money and lives we poured into your during and after WWII is pathetic. How much better would the world be if their was a Nazi or Soviet flag over all of Europe?

You know. There is only one nation from WWII that ever PAID the US for war materials. FINLAND! No other country has. So how is that making money?
Creating jobs. The unemployement levels in the US was at an all-time high then, all of a sudden, we need every able bodies to work on many diverse things.

And, IIRC, most countries repaid at least some of their debt. However, I remember vaguely that those debt were contracted without any kind of interest and could be repaid whenever the various counties could afford it.

Your right, they do owe us a bit of loyalty. You want to disagree with our polcies, more power to you, but the hatred expressed towards us after the money and lives we poured into your during and after WWII is pathetic.
The only thing that is pathetic is you. Thinking we owe you, or your generation, anything.

And Germany was paying the US back for it well into the eighties.


$1,505,100,000 of it was in loans

Don't like it? We won't do it again. Or better yet - don't invade poland

Creating jobs. The unemployement levels in the US was at an all-time high then, all of a sudden, we need every able bodies to work on many diverse things.

And, IIRC, most countries repaid at least some of their debt. However, I remember vaguely that those debt were contracted without any kind of interest and could be repaid whenever the various counties could afford it.

The high for unemployment was in 1933

Your right, they do owe us a bit of loyalty. You want to disagree with our polcies, more power to you, but the hatred expressed towards us after the money and lives we poured into your during and after WWII is pathetic. How much better would the world be if their was a Nazi or Soviet flag over all of Europe?
Granted, there is plenty of hatred in Europe against the US, but that doesn't mean that every disagreement stems from anti-American sentiment.

Creating jobs. The unemployement levels in the US was at an all-time high then, all of a sudden, we need every able bodies to work on many diverse things.

And, IIRC, most countries repaid at least some of their debt. However, I remember vaguely that those debt were contracted without any kind of interest and could be repaid whenever the various counties could afford it.


I should have stated payment in full.

The only thing that is pathetic is you. Thinking we owe you, or your generation, anything.

How quickly we resort to name calling. Hehe.

I LISTED ON PAGE 8 if you would care to read 2 LINKS!

here they are again since you cannot be bother with FACTS it seems

http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/irp/faqs/faq3.htm

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:r4QPDo0MzUsJ:www.ccsd.ca/pubs/2003/psi/bg-es.pdf+canadas+national+poverty+rate&hl=en

I suppose you would be right if you had Canada's social safety net, but you don't! No Canadian has to ever wonder about health care or going hungry in this country.. so while our poverty rate may be a point higher, we actually take care of our people. So, your point is some what lost.

I suppose you would be right if you had Canada's social safety net, but you don't! No Canadian has to ever wonder about health care or going hungry in this country.. so while our poverty rate may be a point higher, we actually take care of our people. So, your point is some what lost.

I wish more people had to go hungry in this country

I, honestly, am not completely fond of America myself, but I've always tried to be reasonable about it. I think Bush has done a great job so far; perhaps his strategies are a bit bland (wait for it to move and then bomb the hell out of it), but it's succeeded.

Speaking as a lifelong US citizen, I don't begrudge Europeans being concerned
about who we elect. The USA is the last superpower and our decisions affect the world.
That said, I do believe that this election will be close but the incumbent usually has the advantage. Whether you approve of Bush or not, you may be stuck with him.

I suppose you would be right if you had Canada's social safety net, but you don't! No Canadian has to ever wonder about health care or going hungry in this country.. so while our poverty rate may be a point higher, we actually take care of our people. So, your point is some what lost.


You call making people wait to see a doctor taking care of people? While everyone in this country doesn't have health insurance if you are injured by law a hospital has to take you in even if you cannot afford to pay. You have me on the going hungry issue. We could learn from Canada in that regard. Although we have the food to feed the people we don't.

I suppose you would be right if you had Canada's social safety net, but you don't! No Canadian has to ever wonder about health care or going hungry in this country.. so while our poverty rate may be a point higher, we actually take care of our people. So, your point is some what lost.

You're actually defending Canadian Health Care? It is awful. My best friend lives in Quebec....she has Crones Disease...the only reason she isn't dead is because her dad is a dentist and knows doctor's. Socialized medicine is a joke. I love being able to work hard and pay for my family to have top of the line health coverage.

The only thing that is pathetic is you. Thinking we owe you, or your generation, anything.


He has a point. It was not their generation.

You're actually defending Canadian Health Care? It is awful. My best friend lives in Quebec....she has Crones Disease...the only reason she isn't dead is because her dad is a dentist and knows doctor's. Socialized medicine is a joke. I love being able to work hard and pay for my family to have top of the line health coverage.
I'd take waiting lists for all over a two-tier system where poor doesn't get treated any day of the week.

He has a point. It was not their generation.

When did the Soviet Union collapse, 1991?

I'd take waiting lists for all over a two-tier system where poor doesn't get treated any day of the week.

Any sick person in this country can walk into any hospital and they have no choice but to treat them legally, even if they don't have a dime to their name and will never pay the bill. Besides, it's a one tier system, you pay for your own health insurance. Why is that the governments job? This isn't a socialist nation.

When did the Soviet Union collapse, 1991?


That sounds about right. I was referring to the debt incurred during WWII so I should have pointed that out.

Any sick person in this country can walk into any hospital and they have no choice but to treat them legally, even if they don't have a dime to their name and will never pay the bill. Besides, it's a one tier system, you pay for your own health insurance. Why is that the governments job? This isn't a socialist nation.

Oh, we know that, over the last three years you have made it quite clear to the world exactly what kind of nation you are!

YAY FOR BJØRN STJERNE BJØRNSON! ^_^
Im a proud Norwegian anti american, and Bush is a bloody faggot!
He bought USA to the buttom, and if too many people vote for him, they won't get up!
NO to bush! Join the international rebellion!
USA, you are not alone in the world, and your action affects other people!

A black woman for president, that would rule!


why dont you get in your long boat and pillage some villages or something.

Vote what you want - that is your business. I don´t care.

Actually I think Kerry is boring. I doubt he has a chance of winning. Edwards or Lieberman would have been better candidates on the democratic side.
I think Bush is clearly the favourite in this election and most likely to win it.

All I know is: I'm not voting for Bush or Kerry. They're both losers.

Vote what you want - that is your business. I don´t care.

Actually I think Kerry is boring. I doubt he has a chance of winning. Edwards or Lieberman would have been better candidates on the democratic side.
I think Bush is clearly the favourite in this election and most likely to win it.

I would have voted for Lieberman. As it is, I am going to vote for Bush to prevent Kerry from raising my taxes, they are already too high.

All I know is: I'm not voting for Bush or Kerry. They're both losers.


Vote for who you want. It is a free country more or less. Just don't write in fictional candidates like Bart Simpson. He does get a few thousand votes each election :)

I'd take waiting lists for all over a two-tier system where poor doesn't get treated any day of the week.

People always talk in extremes. Why does it have to be that way? Why can't there be both?

The government has their sponsored health care system where any doctor starting practise in Canada must first put in 5-7 years of service in the government system and may then elect at their own leisure to start their own practise or join a private medical institution.

There would also be private hospitals and medical facilities for those who wish to pay for it out of their own pocket. This doesn't necessitate that the treatment is better, only potentially faster.

This gives the poor a definitive insurance that they will be treated for their ills, and the wealthy a place they can get to with the wealth they have earned.

Think it's unfair?

Oh well.

Vote for who you want. It is a free country more or less. Just don't write in fictional candidates like Bart Simpson. He does get a few thousand votes each election :)

My grandpa voted for Mickey Mouse once. :p

Had we not and Saddam had taken Saudi Arabia as well as Kuwait and the turned off the oil...the whole world would have dropped into a depression that would make 1929 look like a hiccup.

After Desert Storm, the US pulled out, leaving hundreds of oil wells burning. It was a Canadian company that came in and actually stopped the fires, ensuring that Kuwait still had oil to sell.

Then let us see what happens to the mighty EU.


Could somebody explain this irrational great fear the Americans have of the EU. Can't you fuck off and leave us alone?

My grandpa voted for Mickey Mouse once. :p
I think he would be a great, president, hehehehe

[QUOTE=Kimmis]Hey all American voters

Tom Fenton from CBS have wrote about us Europeans : “But to get back to my original point that foreigners are frustrated because they can't decide this election.” Fenton is right about that. We cant vote for a better future for the world. You americans can and I hope you all will.

Yes and no. Foreigners do not have a vote in the upcoming presidential election, but this does not mean that they should just sit back, cross their fingers and hope for the best.

People living outside the US can for instance boycott all american products every time United States invades a sovereign nation in the name of "national security". And make sure that other people hear about this boycott.
Choices of one individual may not threaten US economy, but small streams develop into big rivers. If enough people join in, they become a force to be reckoned with.

Companies like McDonalds, Coca Cola, Nike etc. do not survive on domestic demand alone. They need revenue from all around the world. If enough people refuse to buy their products abroad, the pressure for the US government to revise its foreign policy increases.

It may be unfair if some American employee who does not support the foreign policy of USA loses his or her job because of the boycott, but that's tough.
Loss of job is easier than loss of loved ones because of stray bombs.

As for the Kerry/Bush debate, it is easy to agree that anyone is better than Bush, but I am cynical about how much things will change if Kerry is elected.
United States will keep on seeing itself as a "city on a hill", a model state that has a divine duty to import its interpretation of democracy to "infidel" and "inferior" nations around the world.

Sorry to break it to you, anti-american protesters, but nothing is going to change except the name in your signs.
Unless we unite, spread the word and boycott United States to stone age.

[QUOTE=Kimmis]Hey all American voters

Tom Fenton from CBS have wrote about us Europeans : “But to get back to my original point that foreigners are frustrated because they can't decide this election.” Fenton is right about that. We cant vote for a better future for the world. You americans can and I hope you all will.

Yes and no. Foreigners do not have a vote in the upcoming presidential election, but this does not mean that they should just sit back, cross their fingers and hope for the best.

People living outside the US can for instance boycott all american products every time United States invades a sovereign nation in the name of "national security". And make sure that other people hear about this boycott.
Choices of one individual may not threaten US economy, but small streams develop into big rivers. If enough people join in, they become a force to be reckoned with.

Companies like McDonalds, Coca Cola, Nike etc. do not survive on domestic demand alone. They need revenue from all around the world. If enough people refuse to buy their products abroad, the pressure for the US government to revise its foreign policy increases.

It may be unfair if some American employee who does not support the foreign policy of USA loses his or her job because of the boycott, but that's tough.
Loss of job is easier than loss of loved ones because of stray bombs.

As for the Kerry/Bush debate, it is easy to agree that anyone is better than Bush, but I am cynical about how much things will change if Kerry is elected.
United States will keep on seeing itself as a "city on a hill", a model state that has a divine duty to import its interpretation of democracy to "infidel" and "inferior" nations around the world.

Sorry to break it to you, anti-american protesters, but nothing is going to change except the name in your signs.
Unless we unite, spread the word and boycott United States to stone age.


Yes everyone go to Europe, where you are not allowed to say anything that hurts anybodies feelings, and everyone all plays nice, smoke pot and the women dont bathe or shave.

Loss of job is easier than loss of loved ones because of stray bombs.

Taliban killed more than the around 1000 civilians who died in Afghanistan during the war.
Saddam killed more than the close to 15.000 civillians who has dies in Iraq since the war started. Several hundreds of thousand people in mass graves prove that.

In fact the UN sanctions has killed many more people than the wars.

After Desert Storm, the US pulled out, leaving hundreds of oil wells burning. It was a Canadian company that came in and actually stopped the fires, ensuring that Kuwait still had oil to sell.

Yeah...you might want to read this.

http://www.redadair.com/thriller.html

Yes everyone go to Europe, where you are not allowed to say anything that hurts anybodies feelings, and everyone all plays nice, smoke pot and the women dont bathe or shave.

And go to America, and watch terrorists take over your plane while Patriot Heroes at the back try to take it back over again and thus the plane crashes. And where the plane is only half full, as American women are the fattest in the World (a fact).

Unless we unite, spread the word and boycott United States to stone age.

Haha, you go right ahead and boycott America....here's a little secret, a crash in the American economy would sink the world economy. We make up 1/3 of the world's gross national product even though we make up only like 5% of the population.

um yeah... fuxx world leaderd, let's return to good ol' tribal society. =-.-=
maybe then people will stop bitching about each other.
until then, shut up. none of the presedential candidates are any good anyways, so what's the bother whining about any them if they all suck? let's all screw with the government and turn in blank ballots. how 'bout that?
:sniper:

Unless we unite, spread the word and boycott United States to stone age.


LOL, a trade embargo on the US would cost the boycotting nation much more considering America is a net importer.

I say you should consider booting your own leaders and put in some good conservatives to fix your f'ed up countries that are nearly bankrupt.

See, being told what to do by someone who does not live there is really annoying, no?

If Bush has socialist europe all pissed off then he must be doing something right. I look forward to watching you all melt down during his next four.

hey look clue time
if bush plays trade embargo everyone cuz they piss him off they all trade embargo the united states and intertrade and fuck US over and they would be fine

I can't stand the way so many Europeans (which i am) act so morally superior compared to Americans based on their foreign policy, as if we wouldnt be doing the same thing if we had the biggest army in the world?
You think we wouldn't? not so long ago europeans owned half the world by taking over any area that was still populated by people who still fought with pointy sticks.

America's army has been protecting Europe for half a century, and for all the bad things they've done, they gave us plenty of good things as well. And i refuse to boycott McDonalds if it means eating at the local Wimpy :)

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Forget about trade embargos and bullshit. It's never going to happen, and it will hurt everyone and gain noone (except wacko extremists).

Not even the french are stupid and evil enough to do something like that. :p

Btw: anyone remember a few years back when the french were doing nuclear test explosions. Everyone were all mad, talking about boycotting the french etc. How long did that last? People are stupid and forget. Some will boycott, but most people won't.

I boycott the french though, not for their nuclear testing, but for their active sabotage of the war against terror :D I know it doesn't matter for anyone but me, but it's a matter of principle.

Forget about trade embargos and bullshit. It's never going to happen, and it will hurt everyone and gain noone (except wacko extremists).

Not even the french are stupid and evil enough to do something like that. :p

Btw: anyone remember a few years back when the french were doing nuclear test explosions. Everyone were all mad, talking about boycotting the french etc. How long did that last? People are stupid and forget. Some will boycott, but most people won't.

I boycott the french though, not for their nuclear testing, but for their active sabotage of the war against terror :D I know it doesn't matter for anyone but me, but it's a matter of principle.

How about the Bush administration's active sabotage of the war on terror? Creating a magnet for terrorists to come to Iraq to fight U.S. forces, outing an undercover C.I.A. agent, and now outing a mole that Pakistan had managed to turn and use inside of al Quieda.

Hey all American voters

I will not comment all the reasons in your domestic politic why I hope you americans will vote Kerry in the soon to come eletion. As I see it Bush is destroying your land. For instance : He is making more unemployment than any other presidents you have ever had and at the same time giving tax costs to only the 10 % wealthiest people in USA.

Well first off, the President doesn't directly effect unemployment. Companies decide how many people they want to employ, it is up to the President to provide a pro business atmosphere and that is what Bush has done.

In the midst of the supposed Clinton boom, in 1996, the unemployment rate was 5.6. Today it is at 5.5. So if you want to rule out all other factors, we have a better economy today than during Clinton.

I think you had better inform yourself a little bit more before you go making wide generalizations on what Bush is has done so far as tax cuts. Anyone that pays taxes was given a tax cut under Bush.

Creating a magnet for terrorists to come to Iraq to fight U.S. forces
Killing the enemy actively undermines the war on terror?

I'd rather shoot them on the streets of Najaf than New York.

sure i have, i didnt say war keeps us employed, I mean I work for the Navy, and when the democrats were in office our navy was slashed in half. They cut almost 50 ships from active duty, that may not seem like a lot to civilians but when youve been around the ships you understand what I mean.

Given the massive expansion of the Navy prior to the Democrats coming into the white house, it was more like a return to the norm.

Well first off, the President doesn't directly effect unemployment. Companies decide how many people they want to employ, it is up to the President to provide a pro business atmosphere and that is what Bush has done.

In the midst of the supposed Clinton boom, in 1996, the unemployment rate was 5.6. Today it is at 5.5. So if you want to rule out all other factors, we have a better economy today than during Clinton.

I think you had better inform yourself a little bit more before you go making wide generalizations on what Bush is has done so far as tax cuts. Anyone that pays taxes was given a tax cut under Bush.

But Clinton's unemployment rate was coming down from the absolutely massive unemployment rates of the Reagan/Bush years, so it is misleading to compare the two, one has been rising, the other was coming down.

But Clinton's unemployment rate was coming down from the absolutely massive unemployment rates of the Reagan/Bush years, so it is misleading to compare the two, one has been rising, the other was coming down.
not to mention the fact it actually went lower than than under clinton and was much higher just months ago under bush

Killing the enemy actively undermines the war on terror?

I'd rather shoot them on the streets of Najaf than New York.
it doesnt exactly undermine it, it just facilitates it the way it is being done. we are going cowboy making them angry instead of infiltrating them and using counter propaganda and trying not to make everyone so angry. killing muslims and raping innocents in former rape prisons ironically is just fueling the fire.
if bush continues to be in control we will lose whatever chance we have of stopping them, you want to complain about clinton cutting the intelligent funding, what about the bush administration sitting around naming undercover agents and moles? thats 100x worse than cutting a budget, that is actively decreasing our intelligence in an immediate fashion.

Killing the enemy actively undermines the war on terror?

I'd rather shoot them on the streets of Najaf than New York.

Well we're not doing such a great job of that, are we? The fact is, they're terrorists! They generally don't stand up and shoot at us because they'd rather plant bombs that kill us in great numbers as well as iraqi citizens. When they attack all of them who die, usually, are those who kill themselves killing us. Of course we do better when we are the attackers, but why did we have to invade Iraq in order to get to where they are? Maybe so as not to have to deal with the governments in the nations where they were hiding? Well, when we finally do leave Iraq, they will have one more nation of our "allies" to hide in. Good plan.

But you have the right to think it was a good plan: invade a sovereign nation based on lies and stay there until the terrorists groups run out of foreign fighters and suicide bombers to kill us with, and meanwhile we will never find Osama in Iraq. When it is all over we will have been successful in setting up a government that will be seen as our puppet for long after it gets overthrown, and in the war-ravaging of an already crippled nation. We will not have caught Osama, we will not have destroyed al Quieda, and we will have damaged our reputation worldwide, perhaps irretrieveably, and especially among our enemies' potential recruits.



post script:

And what is your opinion of them outing two undercover assets?

I am a liberal democrat and I assure you there are few who would like to see Dubya kicked out of office more than I. Republicans wasted scads of taxpayer dollars digging into Clinton looking for scandal and corruption. And now the current administration wears corruption on its sleeve like a badge of honor. It doesn't matter.

As long as Bush pays lip service to the central issues of those who voted for him last time, they'll vote for him again. They don't care about corruption, or deficits, or intrusive government, or diplomatic relations being reduced to shambles. They don't even care that Americans are dying every day for a lie foisted on them by Dubya's scumbag cronies. All that matters is their boy is in office... appointing conservative judges, irresponsibly cutting taxes, and so forth.

They know if we put a democrat in office, he's going to try to fix the mess Bush left behind. That means, for starters, raising taxes. I don't know about you, but when I retire I'd like to get some benefit out of the social security system that I've been paying for my whole life.

The Republicans know that Kerry will raise taxes. They're probably right. They also know that he would appoint liberal judges, and espouse the insane notion that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not she's going to carry a baby to term. He might even fight for the rights of gay people. We simply can't have that. Nope, it's going to have to be four more years of President Cheney (er, I mean, Bush) and more pandering to the wealthy. The fact that a significant portion of large American corporations pay NO TAXES WHATSOEVER, is fine, as long as the homos aren't getting married, and as long as the people get tax cuts. The absolutely scary budgetary situation which economists have been predicting is irrelevant.

So go out. Exercise your right to vote, except of course in those areas where the local police will make it difficult for you to vote, particularly if you are black, and try your darndest to get Dubya out of office. Honestly, I don't think it will happen. But we can always hope.

See you at the voting booth. :(

hell, kerry might even support civil rights, jesus christ

it doesnt exactly undermine it, it just facilitates it the way it is being done. we are going cowboy making them angry instead of infiltrating them and using counter propaganda and trying not to make everyone so angry. killing muslims and raping innocents in former rape prisons ironically is just fueling the fire.
if bush continues to be in control we will lose whatever chance we have of stopping them, you want to complain about clinton cutting the intelligent funding, what about the bush administration sitting around naming undercover agents and moles? thats 100x worse than cutting a budget, that is actively decreasing our intelligence in an immediate fashion.
Ah yes. Two moles - for whatever reason - being outed and then all of the sudden thats worth more than billions of dollars. Right. You act like thats all they do or something, which is untrue.

Well, when we finally do leave Iraq, they will have one more nation of our "allies" to hide in. Good plan.
If they're our allies, they're helping us find the terrorists. (Former) Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc. are not our allies and were giving us lip service at best. I think Saddam even celebrated 9/11.

When it is all over we will have been successful in setting up a government that will be seen as our puppet for long after it gets overthrown
No, it won't, because it will be a democracy elected by the majority of the people. If the majority of the people elect it, support it, and chose it, they won't see their own actions resulting in a puppet for the US.

hell, kerry might even support civil rights, jesus christ
Yeah, he'll support the active promotion of minorities over whites, like Affirmative action.

LOL, a trade embargo on the US would cost the boycotting nation much more considering America is a net importer.

I say you should consider booting your own leaders and put in some good conservatives to fix your f'ed up countries that are nearly bankrupt.

Hmmm, trade surplus: 2-3% of GNP, budget surplus: 2% of gnp, foreign debt:25% of GNP and declining, national debt: 48% of GNP and declining, thanks for the advice but I think we'll keep our center-right Liberal government.

If Bush has socialist europe all pissed off then he must be doing something right. I look forward to watching you all melt down during his next four.

I know you probably did it to emphasize some point but the majority of European governments are actually center-right, with Germany, Sweden and the new Spanish government as notably exceptions.

But Clinton's unemployment rate was coming down from the absolutely massive unemployment rates of the Reagan/Bush years, so it is misleading to compare the two, one has been rising, the other was coming down.

Back up your claim with statistics. The Unemployment rate when Reagan took office in January of 1981 was 7.5. When he left office in January of 1989 it was 5.4.

Sure George H.W. Bush did some stupid things with the economy and unemployment shot back up to 7.3 by the time Clinton took office. The Fed saved Clinton's arse by keeping interest rates low, otherwise his tax increases would have further crippled the economy early on and on through the tech bubble.

Unemployment under George W. Bush was pretty steady until September 11, 2001 rolled around the calendar. Since then Unemployment has fallen from its most recent high of 6.2 a year ago.

Overall the unemployment rate has stayed below the average rate of unemployment since WW2. Considering that the labor force has grown by 4 million people since W has taken office and unemployment keeps going down as the total labor force keeps growing, Bush has a good record on it.

All unemployment rates that I quoted above come from the Department of Labor. You can see it all right here http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?bls

Yeah, he'll support the active promotion of minorities over whites, like Affirmative action.

Often I hear someone complaining about some government program which favors women or a non-white race as sexism or racism. To me it sounds like confusing racism or sexism with "correction". I'm going to use an analogy here to illustrate what I mean by "correction".

Imagine a scale for which the right side is reserved for white males while the left side is for every other ethnic/gender group. For years, no matter what the issue at hand is, the scale has always tipped to the right. Whoever was in charge of putting gold coins on the scale, invariably put more of them on the right.

Eventually society wakes up and realizes that the country which supposedly espouses equality is not doing so, and a correction takes place. We, as a society collectively recognize 2 conclusions: (A) when gold is added to the scales, an equal (or at least proportional) amount of gold should go on both sides, and (B) the scale, as it sits now, is hopelessly out of balance, thus for a time, there will need to be an uneven distribution to the left scale, in order to bring things into balance.

The problem is that the corrective process doesn't happen overnight, it happens over generations. When generation 1 agrees (or is dragged kicking and screaming) into this arrangement to correct the problem, it is easy to see the imbalance. Memories of gross inequality are fresh in the minds of the populace. People don't have to read about those inequalities in a book, they saw them with their own eyes.

By the time generation N comes along, things look a lot different. Generation N buys into conclusion A, that the distribution of gold coins should be equal or proportional, but conclusion B is much harder for them to swallow. All they see is a minority group being accorded special favors. Nobody's been lynched, or denied equal schooling, or had their health issues ignored for years and years. Yet, the scale still isn't balanced. It's a lot closer to balanced, such that for example, with men on one side and women on the other, and the scale measuring income, the women now have 40% of the wealth (according to 1997 figures).

But it still isn't balanced. As the scale gets closer to balanced the imbalance gets harder and harder to see, and ultimately will not be seen at all, at which time the correction will be over and we can dispense with conclusion B and stick to conclusion A. Sure there will be a fight when that happens, who would want to shut down extra funding to their group? But we're not there yet.

Thus extra funding for women's healthcare issues, or government imposed requirements for minority enrollment or employment are not sexism and racism. They are a CORRECTION to a long standing problem. But not everyone likes to think so, particularly anyone who belongs to the group for which the scale still tips in favor.

The coins on the scale, BTW, are not necessarily metaphors for money, we could be talking about priveleges, rights, enrollment in a college, whatever.

You may call it "Reverse Racism" if you like, but the fact is, the scale is still tipped in favor of white males, and until it balances, the correction is necessary.

Ah yes. Two moles - for whatever reason - being outed and then all of the sudden thats worth more than billions of dollars. Right. You act like thats all they do or something, which is untrue.
one person working for us on the inside is worth more than the entire intelligence budget


If they're our allies, they're helping us find the terrorists. (Former) Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc. are not our allies and were giving us lip service at best. I think Saddam even celebrated 9/11.
as opposed to what bush is doing?


No, it won't, because it will be a democracy elected by the majority of the people. If the majority of the people elect it, support it, and chose it, they won't see their own actions resulting in a puppet for the US.
it's going to be our puppet, thats obvious

Yeah, he'll support the active promotion of minorities over whites, like Affirmative action.
i said civil rights, not affirmative action, dumbass

Overall the unemployment rate has stayed below the average rate of unemployment since WW2. Considering that the labor force has grown by 4 million people since W has taken office and unemployment keeps going down as the total labor force keeps growing, Bush has a good record on it.

All unemployment rates that I quoted above come from the Department of Labor. You can see it all right here http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?bls



last i checked it was lost 3 something mill, gained 1 something mil

I know you probably did it to emphasize some point but the majority of European governments are actually center-right, with Germany, Sweden and the new Spanish government as notably exceptions.
You forgot Great Britain. The Labo(u)r Party is socialist too, in theory. And they're not really pissed off at the US.

i said civil rights, not affirmative action, dumbass
Usually people in the left equivocate AA with Civil Rights. If its not, how will Kerry support civil rights more than Bush has. There's a perception in America that being Conservative means you don't like civil rights. Gore supporters played on this by running ads that had pictures of KKK members that lynched a African American in Texas while GWB was governor. They forgot to mention that they got the death penalty.

one person working for us on the inside is worth more than the entire intelligence budget
No its not, thats a silly statement to make. People on the inside are obviously important, but, to say that one is worth more than the entire intelligence budget or even a decent slice of it is wrong. The budget goes towards training, equipping, and supplying those agents themselves, among a multitude of other things.

as opposed to what bush is doing?
Bush is actively leading a campaign to hunt down terrorists in multiple nations while aiding others (Phillipenes and Georgia as two examples) to help destroy their own domestic terrorism. Thats much more than what Ayatolla Khamenei in Iran can claim to be doing.

it's going to be our puppet, thats obvious
They'll support us, of course, because we liberated them from a brutal dictator. Most people are grateful when that happens. They'll still have the right to self-determination.

You may call it "Reverse Racism" if you like, but the fact is, the scale is still tipped in favor of white males, and until it balances, the correction is necessary.
The goal of Affirmative Action was supposed to be to help students have leg up in what was a very biased system back then, and to help minorities break out of their poverty.

The problem is, its bad implementation. Rich and middle-class minorities end up getting a boost that they don't need. The coins aren't being put onto the left side. Some people were simply moved from left to right, doing nothing to help the imbalance. It does, however, give a rich Hispanic a better chance to get into a school than a poor white guy with the same grade. Aiming for equality via inequality is ok, but implementing it wrong is stupid.

last i checked it was lost 3 something mill, gained 1 something mil

Why don't you read what you quoted from my previous post a little more closely and note that what I mean by labor force is what the Department of Labor calls it, the total number of people employed and unemployed. In other words those who are employed and those who are looking to be employed.

Now using the tables that you can pull up from the url I posted above and that you quoted Chess Squares check this out...

Labor Force has grown by roughly 3.7 million since October 2001, right after the 9/11 attacks and yet the unemployment rate while changing in between those two times is only a tenth higher than it was in October 2001.

I read the newspaper. I listen to the radio. I am an American, but I'm only 14 so I can't vote one way or the other yet. Why do I try to keep track of the news? To know what's going on, of course, and it would be the same were Kerry elected. But if Kerry was elected, it would also be different. Because as I read the news now, I'm constantly thinking "I hope things didn't just get worse." Now, when I read the news, it's all NEGATIVE. I'm always on my toes. I don't feel safe in the light of national politics. Were Kerry elected, I'm more than positive that it wouldn't be that way. Instead I'd be picking up the paper and thinking "Oh, I wonder what happened yesterday in Washington." Neutrality, even positivity (though that's a bit iffy), would be the mood of the news. Kerry is not much different from Bush in a lot of ways, but there are some critical differences that would make me feel much safer.

So, to the adults: another voice resounding that you please vote Kerry!

I couldn't care less what Mr. Bierce has to say, his satire is a bit old for my tastes, being you know almost a century old.
You are old too for my taste, I never was a fan of the 19th century.

Usually people in the left equivocate AA with Civil Rights. If its not, how will Kerry support civil rights more than Bush has. There's a perception in America that being Conservative means you don't like civil rights. Gore supporters played on this by running ads that had pictures of KKK members that lynched a African American in Texas while GWB was governor. They forgot to mention that they got the death penalty.

Well, civil rights is protection from the states police force, laws, and jurisdiction. It's written in the constitution, freedom of speech, etc. These rights are eroded by the Patriot Act, so Bush has indeed done something against civil rights. Kerry probably wouldn't have done this in the first place.

Killing the enemy actively undermines the war on terror?

I'd rather shoot them on the streets of Najaf than New York.Who is "the enemy"

Who is "the enemy"
Terrorists / Islamofascists

Usually people in the left equivocate AA with Civil Rights. If its not, how will Kerry support civil rights more than Bush has. There's a perception in America that being Conservative means you don't like civil rights. Gore supporters played on this by running ads that had pictures of KKK members that lynched a African American in Texas while GWB was governor. They forgot to mention that they got the death penalty.
oh yeah the patriot act and patriot act 2 and free speech zoens and pledges of allegience to the GOP to listen to speeches are gret exampels ofbush supporting civil rights


No its not, thats a silly statement to make. People on the inside are obviously important, but, to say that one is worth more than the entire intelligence budget or even a decent slice of it is wrong. The budget goes towards training, equipping, and supplying those agents themselves, among a multitude of other things.
it doesnt matter how big the budget is if the administration goes around exposing OUR OWN MOLES


Bush is actively leading a campaign to hunt down terrorists in multiple nations while aiding others (Phillipenes and Georgia as two examples) to help destroy their own domestic terrorism. Thats much more than what Ayatolla Khamenei in Iran can claim to be doing.
what are we doing in sudan?





The goal of Affirmative Action was supposed to be to help students have leg up in what was a very biased system back then, and to help minorities break out of their poverty.

The problem is, its bad implementation. Rich and middle-class minorities end up getting a boost that they don't need. The coins aren't being put onto the left side. Some people were simply moved from left to right, doing nothing to help the imbalance. It does, however, give a rich Hispanic a better chance to get into a school than a poor white guy with the same grade. Aiming for equality via inequality is ok, but implementing it wrong is stupid.
i do NOT support affirmative action it has become reverse racism and sexism, but neither do i support this bullshit voucher and tax credit stuff the republicans are trying to pull out, they are trying to replace a band aid with another worse band aid that will end up hurting more than helping. you want to fix it? have the government spot the funding so all schools are funded equally, would end up costing as much as the voucher and tax credit bullshit with less rammifications

Why don't you read what you quoted from my previous post a little more closely and note that what I mean by labor force is what the Department of Labor calls it, the total number of people employed and unemployed. In other words those who are employed and those who are looking to be employed.

Now using the tables that you can pull up from the url I posted above and that you quoted Chess Squares check this out...

Labor Force has grown by roughly 3.7 million since October 2001, right after the 9/11 attacks and yet the unemployment rate while changing in between those two times is only a tenth higher than it was in October 2001.
1) i checked the site, gibberish

2) im getting flashbacks of the comparison of cnn and fox news articles i did. you are pointing at the homewhatever chart, jobs have come into existance: jobs created, temp jobs, etc. im pointing at the payroll chart, permanent jobs that have been created

Well, civil rights is protection from the states police force, laws, and jurisdiction. It's written in the constitution, freedom of speech, etc. These rights are eroded by the Patriot Act, so Bush has indeed done something against civil rights. Kerry probably wouldn't have done this in the first place.
Actually, the Supreme Court looked at the Patriot Act recently and has decided / is deciding what parts are constitutional and which parts violate civil rights. So, whatever violations did happen are now being taken care of. Kerry voted for the Patriot act by the way.

You are old too for my taste, I never was a fan of the 19th century.
Yes I am 106 years old.

Yes everyone go to Europe, where you are not allowed to say anything that hurts anybodies feelings, and everyone all plays nice, smoke pot and the women dont bathe or shave.

1. Get your low life bacterial shade from my doorstep.
2.99% of the world says that the EU is more free then the "situation" in fear dominated US.
3. "Everyone all plays nice in EU"??????? Ever been in Marseille or London?
4.When you say they smoke pot in EU (only liberal in Holland and Belgium) I can say that you guys are on heroin :mp5:
5.When I see CNN or visit the US and watch all those unshaved fat women, and I compare them to the class girls in the EU, I understand why you eat so fat, you just enjoy being fat. BTW never saw so much women with hair on their back as in the US.

6. Please US citizens (republicans) try to find the word soap or douche in a dictionary, I never saw and smell such dirty people as in Texas.Even the people in Gambia had a higher degree of hygiene compared to the US South.

oh yeah the patriot act and patriot act 2 and free speech zoens and pledges of allegience to the GOP to listen to speeches are gret exampels ofbush supporting civil rights

We force people take pledges of allegiance to the GOP now? Thats something new that I didn't know.

it doesnt matter how big the budget is if the administration goes around exposing OUR OWN MOLES
Two in three and a half years. For whatever reasons, even if you assume the worst, that its not the dismantling of a spy network.

what are we doing in sudan?
Nothing, unfortunately, but our troops are extremely stretched right now. If we weren't in Iraq, I'd want our troops in Sudan.

i do NOT support affirmative action it has become reverse racism and sexism, but neither do i support this bullshit voucher and tax credit stuff the republicans are trying to pull out, they are trying to replace a band aid with another worse band aid that will end up hurting more than helping. you want to fix it? have the government spot the funding so all schools are funded equally, would end up costing as much as the voucher and tax credit bullshit with less rammifications
More funding dosen't always help the problem, no matter how attractive throwing millions of dollars at school systems are. In DC, the school system pays a very large amount of money per student and they still have a horrible system. I don't see how allowing minority students to move out of a bad system and into a good (usually suburban) one ends up hurting them more than it helps them.

6. Please US citizens (republicans) try to find the word soap or douche in a dictionary, I never saw and smell such dirty people as in Texas.Even the people in Gambia had a higher degree of hygiene compared to the US South.
shit if you lived in texas you would smell too
i live in alabama, we sit around dreaming about dry heat as the heat indexs hit over 110, wasnt that like the temperature killing people when a heatwave struck europe

Terrorists / Islamofascists

What is the difference between them and the extreme republicands like Pearl,?For they are just the same scum.


Please don't say that Pearl is elected or so, we all know that the house of Saud in SA. is a bunch of conservatists (that is where they join Bush) that sponsored All Quaida.

A difference between Pearl and Osama (=their clothes, same thoughts and extremisme).

shit if you lived in texas you would smell too
i live in alabama, we sit around dreaming about dry heat as the heat indexs hit over 110, wasnt that like the temperature killing people when a heatwave struck europe


Oh, I am verry sorry about that, did not know you guys are starving from heat now. Here in the Alps, the temperature is OK :)


BTW you guys are amusing yourself in this thread. I watched the pages, pfffff.

better post a joke now ;)

Actually, the Supreme Court looked at the Patriot Act recently and has decided / is deciding what parts are constitutional and which parts violate civil rights. So, whatever violations did happen are now being taken care of. Kerry voted for the Patriot act by the way.

Kerry probably didn't read it, like the rest of our representatives. Besides, Bush is not the supreme court. While the supreme court is deciding whether or not the Patriot Act was constitutional, Bush obviously thinks it is, or he wouldn't have implemented it in the first place. He is bad for civil rights.

Kerry probably didn't read it, like the rest of our representatives. Besides, Bush is not the supreme court. While the supreme court is deciding whether or not the Patriot Act was constitutional, Bush obviously thinks it is, or he wouldn't have implemented it in the first place. He is bad for civil rights.
So Kerry is irresponsible for voting for something (Rather than not voting at all) that could potentially have consequences? When bills are passed, they're talked about on the Senate and House floors. Was Kerry taking a nap? Perhaps Bush didn't read it either, as the President has a busier day than any senator...

Nothing, unfortunately, but our troops are extremely stretched right now. If we weren't in Iraq, I'd want our troops in Sudan.

Except that wouldn't happen. There's not much to be gotten in Sudan, Liberia, Congo, Somalia or some of the other countries having problems with genocide. They don't have enough oil to bother with, and they're concentrated on killing eachother, and not Americans. Plus, they don't have personal vendettas with Bush.

What is the difference between them and the extreme republicands like Pearl,?For they are just the same scum.

The difference is Richard Pearl and Paul Wolfowitz aren't planning terrorist attacks to knock out thousands of innocents.

Please don't say that Pearl is elected or so, we all know that the house of Saud in SA. is a bunch of conservatists (that is where they join Bush) that sponsored All Quaida.
The House of Saud itself didn't sponsor some Al-Qaeda. The closest link came, didn't it, when one of their Princess's - in an extremely large family - charity funds ended up being funneled to Al-Qaeda, didn't it? Hardly a ringing endorsement. In fact, the House of Saud is quite at odds with Islamic extremists.

You can't go around saying that because someone is one form of extremist, any other forms of extremists (in your perception) are just as bad. Thats like saying because Herbert Hoover was a bad president, all US presidents are just as bad as Herbert Hoover...

We force people take pledges of allegiance to the GOP now? Thats something new that I didn't know.
apparently you dont watch the news, it was all over the news
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040731/ap_on_el_pr/cheney_event_pledge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182620/posts
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2004/07/31/news/wyoming/f6e75b3e8fb345bb87256ee100805d57.txt


Two in three and a half years. For whatever reasons, even if you assume the worst, that its not the dismantling of a spy network.
how many were exposed under clinton in 8 years despite his cutting the budget supposedly


Nothing, unfortunately, but our troops are extremely stretched right now. If we weren't in Iraq, I'd want our troops in Sudan.
we have too many troops there, it would be better if we halved it and put people in to train iraqi task forces


More funding dosen't always help the problem, no matter how attractive throwing millions of dollars at school systems are. In DC, the school system pays a very large amount of money per student and they still have a horrible system. I don't see how allowing minority students to move out of a bad system and into a good (usually suburban) one ends up hurting them more than it helps them.
bullshit, funding is the exact problem, kids from better funded schools get a better education: better funded schools get better stuff: books, teachers, classes, technology, etc.
vouchers fuck everyone over: everyone will start leaving the school to go to new ones because they are better thus, they will have to expand, costing money, teachers will lose jobs at other schools and they may have to shut down. and are you fucking telling me that vouchers isnt throwing money at the problem? at least my idea fixes the problem for everyone

The difference is Richard Pearl and Paul Wolfowitz aren't planning terrorist attacks to knock out thousands of innocents.

..

Come on , don't be so naive, they are viewed by 90% of the free world as state terrorists, class Milosevic or worse.

Except that wouldn't happen. There's not much to be gotten in Sudan, Liberia, Congo, Somalia or some of the other countries having problems with genocide. They don't have enough oil to bother with, and they're concentrated on killing eachother, and not Americans. Plus, they don't have personal vendettas with Bush.

Yeah, we have never gone into countries like Somalia or Bosnia. Only ones that have oil.

If you think FreeRepublic.com or CasparStarTribune.com are reliable sources, I've got some beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. Halfwit.

Yeah, we have never gone into countries like Somalia or Bosnia. Only ones that have oil.
Somalia. When was that? Long time ago, and it was such bad publicity that we pulled right out and are letting the country go to hell.
Bosnia. Yup. We haven't been to Bosnia. You probably mean Kosovo. That wasn't Bush though, it was Clinton.

Somalia. When was that? Long time ago, and it was such bad publicity that we pulled right out and are letting the country go to hell.
Bosnia. Yup. We haven't been to Bosnia. You probably mean Kosovo. That wasn't Bush though, it was Clinton.

No US troops in Bosnia?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/23516.stm

apparently you dont watch the news, it was all over the news
That is not forcing people to take allegiance to the GOP. Politics riles people up. Is Cheney is speaking at the school for one reason or another, if someone wants to see the VP than fine. They're just making sure that the people don't end up doing stuff they shouldn't in a school. Cheney has every right to decide who he wants to talk to or not. Knowing the extreme passion that some people have the Bush Administration, I think it's reasonable.

how many were exposed under clinton in 8 years despite his cutting the budget supposedly
What does Clinton have to do anything with it, stop trying to change the subject. You said that one outed undercover agent is worth more than the entire intellegence budget. Defend yourself. I don't know how many were outed under Clinton. Perhaps none. How much was accomplished during the 8 years regarding intelligence? Perhaps none - although it certainly came close a few times.

we have too many troops there, it would be better if we halved it and put people in to train iraqi task forces
Thats unrealistic, at least right now. Maybe in a few months, but now we need all the troops there to provide stability while still fighting the terrorists.

bullshit, funding is the exact problem, kids from better funded schools get a better education: better funded schools get better stuff: books, teachers, classes, technology, etc.
No, as I said look at DC, the system there has plenty of money yet its still one of the worst in the country. Your right in that schools need funding, but there's only so much that funding can do, its only one aspect of the problem.

vouchers fuck everyone over: everyone will start leaving the school to go to new ones because they are better thus, they will have to expand, costing money,
So? People go to better schools... thats a problem?

teachers will lose jobs at other schools and they may have to shut down.
If there's a net movement of +-0, then the same amount of teachers will be needed regardless.

Come on , don't be so naive, they are viewed by 90% of the free world as state terrorists, class Milosevic or worse.
That dosen't make it true. Most of the world leaders thought appeasement would work in 1938, too.

No US troops in Bosnia?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/23516.stm
I admit I was wrong about the troops in Bosnia. I like the date though. It proves my other point that Bush wasn't responsible: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 Published at 17:42 GMT

If you think FreeRepublic.com or CasparStarTribune.com are reliable sources, I've got some beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. Halfwit.
THERE WAS A YAHOO ONE THAT REFERENCED IT

and if you dont beleive that was happening when it was on EVERY GOD DAMN THING, you are a fucking idiot who is so full of republican shit you wouldnt know the truth if it hit you in the face, and THERE IT WAS

That dosen't make it true. Most of the world leaders thought appeasement would work in 1938, too.
Appease whom? The terrorists? Are you suggesting that the world leaders are proposing to allow the terrorists to kill off their citizens in order to get the conflict over with? Or comply with their demands? If that were true, then Germany would have pulled out of Afghanistan by now.

That is not forcing people to take allegiance to the GOP. Politics riles people up. Is Cheney is speaking at the school for one reason or another, if someone wants to see the VP than fine. They're just making sure that the people don't end up doing stuff they shouldn't in a school. Cheney has every right to decide who he wants to talk to or not. Knowing the extreme passion that some people have the Bush Administration, I think it's reasonable.
you would rationalize bush gunning some one down in the oval office on tv with saddhams gun wouldnt you? "oh he was showing it to him out of the case by pointing it at him, it just happened to accidently go off straight into his chest"


What does Clinton have to do anything with it, stop trying to change the subject. You said that one outed undercover agent is worth more than the entire intellegence budget. Defend yourself. I don't know how many were outed under Clinton. Perhaps none. How much was accomplished during the 8 years regarding intelligence? Perhaps none - although it certainly came close a few times.
im not changing the subject, the bush administration in 3 and a half years has "accidently" named 2 of our undercover agents in foreign organizations, then all of you republicans bitch and moan about clinton cutting the intel budget


Thats unrealistic, at least right now. Maybe in a few months, but now we need all the troops there to provide stability while still fighting the terrorists.
you people like to point out terrorists arnt fights of a particular nation so you can bypass geneva convention rules but when fighting them you pretend they are. YOU DONT NEED THOUSANDS OF TROOPS TO FIGHT TERRORISTS, terrorists do not come out shooting, they blow themselves up, or vehicles, THEY ARE TERRORISTS NOT A MILITIA. if the US troops pulled out at least 1/3 we would have more than enough troops to deal with INSURGENTS which are fighting back, NOT TERRORISTS


No, as I said look at DC, the system there has plenty of money yet its still one of the worst in the country. Your right in that schools need funding, but there's only so much that funding can do, its only one aspect of the problem.
dc is a little bullshit place everyone pretends is a state, why dont you start referencing numbers and comparisons and shut the fuck up

Appease whom? The terrorists? Are you suggesting that the world leaders are proposing to allow the terrorists to kill off their citizens in order to get the conflict over with? Or comply with their demands? If that were true, then Germany would have pulled out of Afghanistan by now.
Appease Hitler (1938 was when he started to make his moves to his Southwest... Munich conference and all). Most of the world thought it would work. Most of the world was wrong. Look back in time a way back and I'm sure 90% or the people supported slavery. That didn't make it right. So my response to his (unsubstantiated) claim that 90% of the world thought Neo-Cons were terrorists was that the world can be wrong.

you would rationalize bush gunning some one down in the oval office on tv with saddhams gun wouldnt you? "oh he was showing it to him out of the case by pointing it at him, it just happened to accidently go off straight into his chest"
Given the description you just gave me, no, I wouldn't. Fortunately nothing like that has is being talked about in this post, so I don't have to worry.

im not changing the subject, the bush administration in 3 and a half years has "accidently" named 2 of our undercover agents in foreign organizations, then all of you republicans bitch and moan about clinton cutting the intel budget
Yes, you are changing the subject, missing the point. You claim, I quote, "one person working for us on the inside is worth more than the entire intelligence budget" on page 13 post #192. I could see where you would want to bring Clinton in, as the mini-debate did have somewhat of a "Bush is doing a worse job regarding intelligence than Clinton" subplot, however, you've failed to defend this statement... and when I was pushing that, you totally ignore it and go "Well how many people did Clinton expose". That has nothing to do with what we were talking about at the time.

you people like to point out terrorists arnt fights of a particular nation so you can bypass geneva convention rules but when fighting them you pretend they are. YOU DONT NEED THOUSANDS OF TROOPS TO FIGHT TERRORISTS, terrorists do not come out shooting, they blow themselves up, or vehicles, THEY ARE TERRORISTS NOT A MILITIA.
Terrorists can be organized. When we were in Afghanistan fighting Al-Qaeda, we didn't only encounter suicide bombers. We, along with the Northern Alliance, encountered regular opposition from Al-Qaeda and their buddies the Taliban. They're two facets of the same diamond.

if the US troops pulled out at least 1/3 we would have more than enough troops to deal with INSURGENTS which are fighting back, NOT TERRORISTS
As I said above, they're like two parts of the same thing. The insurgents often use terrorist tactics, and sometimes switch to fighting as militia, often when they're forced to fight.

why dont you start referencing numbers and comparisons and shut the fuck up
Why thank you for your mature response. If I recall correctly from another thread on the same thing, DC spends about $4000 per student, a very high figure, which is I why I constantly bring it up. Its true that funding is one part of the problem as I said, but its far from the only part of it and suddenly making everything equal won't solve the problem. There's more underlying issues, such as discipline problems, teacher failure, and parenting at hand.

That dosen't make it true. Most of the world leaders thought appeasement would work in 1938, too.

Appeasement is not the same as state terrorisme :rolleyes:

Appeasement is not the same as state terrorisme :rolleyes:
Its in response to the assumption that because a lot of people think one way its true. Its simply not true, its an Appeal ad Populum fallacy.

Kerry probably didn't read it, like the rest of our representatives. Besides, Bush is not the supreme court. While the supreme court is deciding whether or not the Patriot Act was constitutional, Bush obviously thinks it is, or he wouldn't have implemented it in the first place. He is bad for civil rights.
Gee, you'd think he'd at least READ one of the few he bothered to show up to vote on.

Of course, I bet he voted for it before he voted against it, then voted for it again.

hey look clue time
if bush plays trade embargo everyone cuz they piss him off they all trade embargo the united states and intertrade and fuck US over and they would be fine
hey look illiterate time

if construct sentences string coherent ramble bush liberal dummy be lame.

If you must toke, don't post.

If I recall correctly, while the other nations were fighting the Germans and Japanese, the US was quite happy to sell their weapons and not get involved untill late 1941. You made quite a good amount of cash on our back. War got you out of the depression. So, as much as we are thankfull of your help, you should see it as a profitable for both sides of the equation because without our money, you'd may still be in the gutter.
I must have missed the chapter in my history book where the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor in P-51 Mustangs and the Germans were shooting the British with M-1 rifles.

That whole lend/lease thing was just made up. All $50 billion dollars. (60% to UK, 20% USSR, 20% France, China, others)

Go lie elsewhere.

I suppose you would be right if you had Canada's social safety net, but you don't! No Canadian has to ever wonder about health care or going hungry in this country.. so while our poverty rate may be a point higher, we actually take care of our people. So, your point is some what lost.
In America our people are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. The myth of starving unhealthy poor is just that - a myth. It is not more common here than in Canada. (Though our healthcare system is substantially more advanced)

I have heard your appeal and have ignored it.

I believe in what the Republican party stands for, and Bush is going to give more of that than Kerry will.

hey look illiterate time

if construct sentences string coherent ramble bush liberal dummy be lame.

If you must toke, don't post.
how intelligent of you, attack people's posts for typing and spelling, which guess what, is irrelevant to speach patterns and pronunciation, thank you, pleasecomeagain (yes one word)

I have heard your appeal and have ignored it.

I believe in what the Republican party stands for, and Bush is going to give more of that than Kerry will.
so you choose blatant ignorance, thank you for proving everythingi have ever said about the republicans

Why thank you for your mature response. If I recall correctly from another thread on the same thing, DC spends about $4000 per student, a very high figure, which is I why I constantly bring it up. Its true that funding is one part of the problem as I said, but its far from the only part of it and suddenly making everything equal won't solve the problem. There's more underlying issues, such as discipline problems, teacher failure, and parenting at hand.
good job, you have a guess at a single number, now verify it and get a detailed comparison between it and schools in another area, take into account cost of living in that area

better funding = hire better teachers

Hmmm, trade surplus: 2-3% of GNP, budget surplus: 2% of gnp, foreign debt:25% of GNP and declining, national debt: 48% of GNP and declining, thanks for the advice but I think we'll keep our center-right Liberal government.



I know you probably did it to emphasize some point but the majority of European governments are actually center-right, with Germany, Sweden and the new Spanish government as notably exceptions.

You missed the point -look close and you will see that the US buys much more from your country than your country buys from the US. If the US stops buying your stuff it would hurt your economy much more than it would hurt the US.

good job, you have a guess at a single number, now verify it and get a detailed comparison between it and schools in another area, take into account cost of living in that area

better funding = hire better teachers
You miss the point - Washington DC spends more than nearly all other districts - yet their students perform poorly. It is not a simple matter of more money=better teachers (which is arguable also) there also needs to be accountability - which there is precious little of in the Public Education Monopoly.

Um, maybe this is just me, but where do Europeans get the right to tell us who to vote for in our election? This was America the last time I checked...we won our independence from you long ago, but you never know who's still bitter.

Because you are for Kerry, I won't go so hard on you;

Think about this, Hitler is resurected, and wan't to be president of US. Now, if he won the election, do you think people would just say "They are USA, we are the rest of the world, we don't need to care if Hitler is the next president" ?
When things happen, it affects the world, my friend.
When USA do terrible things like the Nam war, it affects the world, not only US. Maybe they meant to get rid of the horrible goverment and blahblah, but so many American politicians are so short minded it hurts.


The topics grow too bloody fast on these boards...

why dont you get in your long boat and pillage some villages or something.

^_^

Yes everyone go to Europe, where you are not allowed to say anything that hurts anybodies feelings, and everyone all plays nice, smoke pot and the women dont bathe or shave.

O_o
Thats, kinda wrong... You think were still in the middle ages, or hippie ages, or whatever?

Because you are for Kerry, I won't go so hard on you;

Think about this, Hitler is resurected, and wan't to be president of US. Now, if he won the election, do you think people would just say "They are USA, we are the rest of the world, we don't need to care if Hitler is the next president" ?
When things happen, it affects the world, my friend.
When USA do terrible things like the Nam war, it affects the world, not only US. Maybe they meant to get rid of the horrible goverment and blahblah, but so many American politicians are so short minded it hurts.


The topics grow too bloody fast on these boards...

I love liberals who want it both ways. They are funny.

On one hand they say "Just because everyone said there were WMDs in Iraq does not make it correct"
Then they say "Because everyone (meaning them ) disagrees Bush he must be incorrect'

Or they say "Saddam was the problem of Iraq - respect their sovereignty" but then say "W is our problem and we'll dictate how you shall vote".

So many flip-flops! Now I understand why they like Kerry!

so you choose blatant ignorance, thank you for proving everythingi have ever said about the republicans

Nice try at an insult.

I love liberals who want it both ways. They are funny.

On one hand they say "Just because everyone said there were WMDs in Iraq does not make it correct"
Then they say "Because everyone (meaning them ) disagrees Bush he must be incorrect'

Or they say "Saddam was the problem of Iraq - respect their sovereignty" but then say "W is our problem and we'll dictate how you shall vote".

So many flip-flops! Now I understand why they like Kerry!

Jezus, now I understand the gap between people who think in the US and the others (you).

What a lousy defence, is that all you have against him? The way you think makes you a good Saddam/Stalin/Hitler/Bush (choose what you wan't , they re all from the same calibre.

Jezus, now I understand the gap between people who think in the US and the others (you).

What a lousy defence, is that all you have against him? The way you think makes you a good Saddam/Stalin/Hitler/Bush (choose what you wan't , they re all from the same calibre.
You know, its really tempting to flame you off the face of the planet for that, but I won't. Ignorance like that makes me sick.

When USA do terrible things like the Nam war,
Ah yes trying to save Southeast Asia from Communism is such a bad thing.

Hey all American voters
As I see it Bush is destroying your land. For instance : He is making more unemployment than any other presidents you have ever had and at the same time giving tax costs to only the 10 % wealthiest people in USA. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4448630/


Clinton unemployment at the end of his first term - 5.5%
Bush unemployment at the end of this first term - 5.5%

:rolleyes: