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Well, they've done it again. The Bush Administration has outed Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, a double agent that was actually inside al-Qaeda. For the last several years all we've heard is how extremely difficult it is to get inside these types of groups. And here we had someone inside and the Bush Administration outs him!

This is twice in as many years that the Bush Administration has outed an operative of the United States. First it was a CIA agent and now an operative working for the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's security agency). This is simply sickening. In order to justify the latest terror alert, the administration confirmed the name of the ACTIVE MOLE inside al-Qaeda.

Already the British are royally pissed since they had to arrest 12 members of an al-Qaeda cell they had under surveillance because of Khan's work. They were forced to make the arrest prematurely lest they go underground and are now worried that they don't have ample evidence to hold them. One has already been released because of this.

This could set back intelligence gathering against terrorist cells by light years.

The sad thing is that its not just that this is an intolerable act of stupidity, but it just reeks of incompetence and grandstanding.

The next time Bush tells you he's making the world safer, remember that his administration outed an active al-Qaeda mole that was helping to actually bring down terrorist cells. How completely infuriating. Look to Reuters to read more about it.

omg!

I cannot wait for November.

There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. I can't wait to see how the Bushies will defend this as being ok.

This gives me an idea though. We should start randomly naming people in Al-Qaeda as being double agents to get them to fight amongst each other.

To be fair, they didn't exactly out him, did they? Instead, they screwed up using him as a source of information by their little terror level alert cha-cha last week. They leaked his arrest and therefore let the people Pakistan was monitoring through him run for cover.

Mind you, Bush is still an idiot and this is just one more example of him willing to put innocent lives at risk if it serves his political goals.

Well Berk, there is more to the story though. They did at first merely leak his arrest in Pakistan. Then, when a reporter from Reuters pressed it, they confirmed the name of the agent. According to Reuters, the reporter was shocked that the administration released and confirmed the name to him.

Sigh, they're idiots. So much for being "Tough on Terror"...only when we're not trying to bump our PR numbers, I guess. I'd call him a bozo, but it'd be insulting to clowns.

they didn't out the first one

she wasn't an agent

she worked at langly

she had the CIA parking tags on her car, everyone knew where she worked

Well, they've done it again. The Bush Administration has outed Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, a double agent that was actually inside al-Qaeda. For the last several years all we've heard is how extremely difficult it is to get inside these types of groups. And here we had someone inside and the Bush Administration outs him!

This is twice in as many years that the Bush Administration has outed an operative of the United States. First it was a CIA agent and now an operative working for the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's security agency). This is simply sickening. In order to justify the latest terror alert, the administration confirmed the name of the ACTIVE MOLE inside al-Qaeda.

Already the British are royally pissed since they had to arrest 12 members of an al-Qaeda cell they had under surveillance because of Khan's work. They were forced to make the arrest prematurely lest they go underground and are now worried that they don't have ample evidence to hold them. One has already been released because of this.

This could set back intelligence gathering against terrorist cells by light years.

The sad thing is that its not just that this is an intolerable act of stupidity, but it just reeks of incompetence and grandstanding.

The next time Bush tells you he's making the world safer, remember that his administration outed an active al-Qaeda mole that was helping to actually bring down terrorist cells. How completely infuriating. Look to Reuters to read more about it.


who is the one guilty of treason? BUSH! jesus christ.

who is the one guilty of treason? BUSH! jesus christ.

did it ever occure to anyone that this might be part of a stratagy

we do out spent our nearest on intelegence by more than 12 times

there could be a reason this was done

did it ever occure to anyone that this might be part of a stratagy

we do out spent our nearest on intelegence by more than 12 times

there could be a reason this was done

Sure there was a reason.....idiocy. And Wilson's wife was an agent. To out her was an act of treason, according to Bush's father. Don't change the facts just because Bush refuses to investigate his own administration's criminal acts.

did it ever occure to anyone that this might be part of a stratagy

we do out spent our nearest on intelegence by more than 12 times

there could be a reason this was done


hey, anything is possible


but can YOU think of a good reason? And are you seriously saying that the first one wasn't really outed? do you want to back this up?

Hmmm, Bush and intelligence in the same sentence. Now thats funny. :D

did it ever occure to anyone that this might be part of a stratagy

we do out spent our nearest on intelegence by more than 12 times

there could be a reason this was done
Maybe he got to close to their main operative. Osama Bin Laden.

did it ever occure to anyone that this might be part of a stratagy

we do out spent our nearest on intelegence by more than 12 times

there could be a reason this was done
oh yeah this is the best mother fucking strategy ever

complain about how we cant get inside then sit around uncovering moles that we have inside, and by the time your done, we are out of moles and you blame that on clinton becaues of intelligence spending, a sure fire way to screw over the nation while convincing fucktards like you he is making us safer

Its funny the amount of hysteria being generated in this thread alone, apparently one mole - for whatever reason - being outed will lead to us being "out of moles", it will "set back intelligence gathering against terrorist cells by light years". I, for one, am waiting a bit to see how it plays out...

hey, anything is possible


but can YOU think of a good reason? And are you seriously saying that the first one wasn't really outed? do you want to back this up?

Perhaps for extraction purposes. He was done with whatever they wanted him to do, and this was how they got him out. Kinda like uniformed officers arresting an undercover officer along with the bad guys, to make it look real. Only this guy ain't going back, so it's not loss of an asset. Just a possibility.

Also, true double-agents are a dicey thing. It means he IS working for Al-Qaeda also. Maybe he became more of a liability than an asset, and they decided to take him out. Just another possibility.

lol

damn you Bushites will defend anythign this man does huh?

:fluffle:

Its funny the amount of hysteria being generated in this thread alone, apparently one mole - for whatever reason - being outed will lead to us being "out of moles", it will "set back intelligence gathering against terrorist cells by light years". I, for one, am waiting a bit to see how it plays out...

But the problem it now creates is the fact we offically had one inside. Now they will be doing a bit of housecleanning so the odds are we could loose the others (if any) that are in place.

Surely you must have learned by now, Bush could murder people in the Oval office in prime time on TV and some people will still defend him and make excuses for his actions. Every thing can be rationalized, you just have to want it bad enough. Do you think maybe they are putting some thing in Republicans food? Or maybe it's in the water, don't drink the water.. :headbang:

Surely you must have learned by now, Bush could murder people in the Oval office in prime time on TV and some people will still defend him and make excuses for his actions. Every thing can be rationalized, you just have to want it bad enough. Do you think maybe they are putting some thing in Republicans food? Or maybe it's in the water, don't drink the water.. :headbang:


I do believe you are correct. Maybe that is why I am immune. I avoid tap water like the plague.

Its funny the amount of hysteria being generated in this thread alone, apparently one mole - for whatever reason - being outed will lead to us being "out of moles", it will "set back intelligence gathering against terrorist cells by light years". I, for one, am waiting a bit to see how it plays out...

it has nothing to do with being out of moles, it has to do with compromising the safety of people who put their lives in danger for us. by revealing their identities, we endanger them. this is treacherous.

lol

damn you Bushites will defend anythign this man does huh?

:fluffle:


Not standing up for him but to be fair there is about an equal share of those out there that will condemn anything he does lol

Not standing up for him but to be fair there is about an equal share of those out there that will condemn anything he does lol
well when you start blurting out mole names..

Not standing up for him but to be fair there is about an equal share of those out there that will condemn anything he does lol

hehe
Yeah I'm so pissed. I heard that he went out to eat the other day. what an asshole Bush is!

Perhaps for extraction purposes. He was done with whatever they wanted him to do, and this was how they got him out. Kinda like uniformed officers arresting an undercover officer along with the bad guys, to make it look real. Only this guy ain't going back, so it's not loss of an asset. Just a possibility.

Not really. He was in Pakistani custody, sending and receiving encrypted email to Al-Qaeda assets. If he'd been left alone long enough, they might have gotten OBL. http://www.juancole.com

Also, true double-agents are a dicey thing. It means he IS working for Al-Qaeda also. Maybe he became more of a liability than an asset, and they decided to take him out. Just another possibility.

Okay, first - the Pakistanis flipped him, and he was in their custody. Is it really the US's decision to "take him out"?

Second, see earlier comments about "in Pakistani custody".

There's no way that this isn't a screwup.

hehe
Yeah I'm so pissed. I heard that he went out to eat the other day. what an asshole Bush is!
Ohh you jest but there are some out there that would … depending on the group (everything from animal rights to you name it … somewhere down the line that restaurant might have had ties with such and such a person)

Anyway was just pointing that out … I don’t agree with bush either :) at least not on a lot of things (I don’t like to blanket everything anyone does as “Bad” because there usually is a few good things in there that get covered up)

they didn't out the first one

So, um, if she wasn't an agent, and no crime was committed, why is the Justice Department investigating and questioning reporters? If that were true, don't you think it might have occurred to the lawyers defending whoever leaked her name?

Ohh you jest but there are some out there that would … depending on the group (everything from animal rights to you name it … somewhere down the line that restaurant might have had ties with such and such a person)

Anyway was just pointing that out … I don’t agree with bush either :) at least not on a lot of things (I don’t like to blanket everything anyone does as “Bad” because there usually is a few good things in there that get covered up)


hehe yeah actually there is one thing that Bush has done that I agree with and that is teh "Do Not Call List". That was pure genius so it must have been someone elses idea.

Any legislation that makes people happy and businesses complain has gotta be good. :P

But the problem it now creates is the fact we offically had one inside. Now they will be doing a bit of housecleanning so the odds are we could loose the others (if any) that are in place.
So Al-Qaeda was perfectly oblivious to the fact that there might have been moles in their system before this? I think its silly to say that, without this happening, Al-Qaeda wouldn't have known that the US was trying to infiltrate their system.

So Al-Qaeda was perfectly oblivious to the fact that there might have been moles in their system before this? I think its silly to say that, without this happening, Al-Qaeda wouldn't have known that the US was trying to infiltrate their system.

That's why they are called Moles.

The Russians had one in Hitlers command base(I think his code name was Wurther?)

It is rummered the Russians had one running MI-6(or was it 5?).

But the point is not that they were oblivious. It is the fact one has been outed and now they will review personel and make changes to their structure since existing precautions failed.

Perhaps, but I doubt it will change much. Al-Qaeda already had a very efficient security network, its hard to improve on it when its that good without hurting the organization itself.

Perhaps, but I doubt it will change much. Al-Qaeda already had a very efficient security network, its hard to improve on it when its that good without hurting the organization itself.

If they had a mole that could only be detected by the idiocy of the side who put him there, it obviously wasn't good enough.

Hmmmm did the Bush administration give any sort of REASON behind what they did?

Without seen any evidence to the contrary, right now I have to say this is a major screw up.

Of course, I don't believe Bush personally said this, for all we know it could have been some random member of the Bush administration who screwed it up and not him personally?

Of course, I don't believe Bush personally said this, for all we know it could have been some random member of the Bush administration who screwed it up and not him personally?

Condi Rice was asked about it on Sunday, and said she didn't know whether Khan was a double agent. (Nice to see that the national security advisor is on top of these things.)

The name was definitely leaked by a member of the administration on background to the NY Times (i.e, anonymously but not secretly). Even though Bush didn't leak the name himself, he's to blame for several aspects - including not taking a firmer stand earlier on politically-motivated leaks by senior administration officials.

That's why they are called Moles.

The Russians had one in Hitlers command base(I think his code name was Wurther?)

It is rummered the Russians had one running MI-6(or was it 5?).

But the point is not that they were oblivious. It is the fact one has been outed and now they will review personel and make changes to their structure since existing precautions failed.
His codename was Werther. And according to this site he was non other then Martin Bormann.
http://nikkeiview.com/bookrevs/spy.htm

His codename was Werther. And according to this site he was non other then Martin Bormann.
http://nikkeiview.com/bookrevs/spy.htm

The Bormann theory has been discussed for awhile. But I heard is was a big drunkard by the middle of the war so that would be kind of hard to master a spy network.

Does not exclude the possibilty

It will be awhile, if ever, before Werther gets demasked.....

The Bormann theory has been discussed for awhile. But I heard is was a big drunkard by the middle of the war so that would be kind of hard to master a spy network.
Maybe that was just his strategy. Like Bush outing a mole inside AQ. :D

Galtania, I'd like to address your post. This agent was in the middle of sending back intelligence to both British and Pakistani intelligence. He had sent encrypted e-mails as recently as the day before he was outed by the Bush Administration. British intelligence has already stated how detrimental this has been to their operations. He was clearly still working for intelligence operations.

There was no justification to out him. Backstabbing our allies like this doesn't get us friends around the world. Ticking off Britain when they have been the most supportive isn't smart. This was just a dumb move.