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http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/09/private.school.invest.ap/index.html

Lockyer said the curriculum consisted of a slim workbook riddled with errors, including:


The United States has 53 states but the "flag has not yet been updated to reflect the addition of the last three states" -- Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico.


World War II began in 1938 and ended in 1942.


There are two houses of Congress -- the Senate and the House, and "one is for Democrats and the other is for the Republicans, respectively."

:D....If only that third one was true...we'd be split in a milisecond


(read the damn article before passing judgement on America's schooling though)

And Texas apparently wants to have a sex-ed textbook with no mention whatsoever of birth control, since they want to teach *only* abstinence.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/05/texas.textbooks.reut/index.html

Doncha just love our education system?

Well I can sorta understand the puerto rico and 1942 cracks.

And Texas apparently wants to have a sex-ed textbook with no mention whatsoever of birth control, since they want to teach *only* abstinence.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/05/texas.textbooks.reut/index.html

Doncha just love our education system?
the worst part is its probably gonna pass, our school has made an absitnence class with some annoying bitch teacher who is still a virgin despite being married for like 5 years, and now they have made it mandatory for all freshman, thats in addition to a health class which doesnt teach anything about sex


and oh yeah, i remember doing some research about this a whiel back when i was rguing with some people whining about how teen pregnancies have went up since god was removed from school. the government report i read said teen pregnancies have significantly increased only since abstinance classes were added to the curriculum, this was in 1989

They quit teaching History years ago....afterall, we wouldn't want to "offend" anyone. :rolleyes:

Thank you politically correct morons.....

the worst part is its probably gonna pass, our school has made an absitnence class with some annoying bitch teacher who is still a virgin despite being married for like 5 years, and now they have made it mandatory for all freshman, thats in addition to a health class which doesnt teach anything about sex


and oh yeah, i remember doing some research about this a whiel back when i was rguing with some people whining about how teen pregnancies have went up since god was removed from school. the government report i read said teen pregnancies have significantly increased only since abstinance classes were added to the curriculum, this was in 1989

I have no problem with teaching abstinence as an option, or even as the best option. I *do* have a problem with leaving birth control out of sex-ed altogether. That's like saying, "We know that the best way to not get burnt is to not have a fire, so we don't have to teach kids what to do if there's a fire, because then they might start more fires."

I'd love to take one of those Abtainence classes. It'd be very interesting to see what they "Teach" you.

Hehe.

And Texas apparently wants to have a sex-ed textbook with no mention whatsoever of birth control, since they want to teach *only* abstinence.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/05/texas.textbooks.reut/index.html

Doncha just love our education system?

Though your example differs … in the fact that it is actual approved schools (that give you a diploma)

Versus But the school's certificate isn't recognized as a high school diploma, Lockyer said, and school officials ignored a previous court order that banned them from telling consumers it was


And for your example … yeah that is ridiculous … the state is too large of entity to decide on that sort of level (what is taught in school) should be done in a smaller group (decisions about curriculum that is)

I'd love to take one of those Abtainence classes. It'd be very interesting to see what they "Teach" you.

I took a class in 6th grade called "postponing sexual involvement." This was considered to be an abstinence class, and they got rid of it after a someone sued or something and said that kids that had already had sex might feel bad if they took it.

I actually think the class was put together pretty well. None of it was "don't ever ever have sex." It was just, wait until you are ready (and there was a tacit suggestion that time would be later on in life =) And they went through how to avoid being pressured into things. I think it *could* be useful.

I took a class in 6th grade called "postponing sexual involvement." This was considered to be an abstinence class, and they got rid of it after a someone sued or something and said that kids that had already had sex might feel bad if they took it.

I actually think the class was put together pretty well. None of it was "don't ever ever have sex." It was just, wait until you are ready (and there was a tacit suggestion that time would be later on in life =) And they went through how to avoid being pressured into things. I think it *could* be useful.


Yeah it could … though instead of having a separate class I would lump it in with just a general “Dealing with life” sort of class … meaning there is a lot of things teenagers go through … defiantly would be a more worthwhile class then some of the ones I was forced to take in high school

I'd just like to hear what they say.

Some good masturbation techniques perhaps? Or to "Technically" remain a virgin? Or do they frown on that too?
But frankly it has religous undertones. Thats where the concept of abstainence is from. They only cant make any religious inferences because they'd get in trouble.

You... americans... got... serious... issues....
*shakes head*

Colodia, you are completely wrong! The flag has been updated since WW2. Hawaii and Alaska are the 49th and 50th states. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a commonwealth. Also WW2 did begin in 1938 but the US entered in 1942. The germans gave up in 1944 and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.

Colodia, you are completely wrong! The flag has been updated since WW2. Hawaii and Alaska are the 49th and 50th states. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a commonwealth. Also WW2 did begin in 1938 but the US entered in 1942. The germans gave up in 1944 and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.
Guess who didn't read the article...

Colodia, you are completely wrong! The flag has been updated since WW2. Hawaii and Alaska are the 49th and 50th states. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a commonwealth. Also WW2 did begin in 1938 but the US entered in 1942. The germans gave up in 1944 and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.
If WW2 started in 1938, why is it called the war of '39-'45?

Also WW2 did begin in 1938...

Yes, Austria was annexed in 1938, but the start date of WWII is generally put at 1939 with the invasion of Poland.

but the US entered in 1942.

Late 1941, actually.


The germans gave up in 1944...

1945, actually.

...and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.

Correct.

Are you perhaps a puppet sent here to troll?

My god....it is worse than I thought....:rolleyes:

Seems back in the day they considered that WW2 started when Japan invaded China. That wasnt in 1938. I thought it was before that. Wasnt it a gradual thing?

My god....it is worse than I thought....:rolleyes:


If its any consolation to you Americans, in the British system I was threatened with punishment for arguing with a teacher when I was about 8 when she claimed that the Soviet Union were the first people to put a man on the moon. Fast forward 14 years and I'm studying philosophy at college - the lecturer rights up an example of sense and reference that was meant to be a true statement - "John Glenn was the first man on the moon". Mumblings from the benches follow for a while until someone says 'No, he wasn't - Neil Armstrong was.' The lecturer argues for a couple of minutes and then concedes his error... he then corrects his example to read "John Glenn was the first man in space"...

Seems back in the day they considered that WW2 started when Japan invaded China. That wasnt in 1938. I thought it was before that. Wasnt it a gradual thing?

I used 'generally' in my claim of 1939, as that is when the war is officially considered to have begun by people of the UK. I am aware that other nations interprete the actual start date slightly differently, but I believe 1939 is the most common date used worldwide.

Today yes. 39 is the date, But immeadiately after the war they felt China had been the first victim of militarism.

They quit teaching History years ago....afterall, we wouldn't want to "offend" anyone. :rolleyes:

Thank you politically correct morons.....

This is so true. I remember arguing with a couple of history teachers that got one nasty education in History thanks to my reports and class discussions.

Colodia, you are completely wrong! The flag has been updated since WW2. Hawaii and Alaska are the 49th and 50th states. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a commonwealth. Also WW2 did begin in 1938 but the US entered in 1942. The germans gave up in 1944 and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.

Japan started to attack Manchuria(sp?) 1931, and you can actually say WWII started then.

I took a class in 6th grade called "postponing sexual involvement." This was considered to be an abstinence class, and they got rid of it after a someone sued or something and said that kids that had already had sex might feel bad if they took it.

I actually think the class was put together pretty well. None of it was "don't ever ever have sex." It was just, wait until you are ready (and there was a tacit suggestion that time would be later on in life =) And they went through how to avoid being pressured into things. I think it *could* be useful.

The problem is that the classes with extreme mentalities get the public attention and thereby offend people. A story about an abstinence class or sex ed class that has no negative repurcussions won't sell a newspaper.

Colodia, you are completely wrong! The flag has been updated since WW2. Hawaii and Alaska are the 49th and 50th states. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a commonwealth. Also WW2 did begin in 1938 but the US entered in 1942. The germans gave up in 1944 and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.

Wrong! We entered in early December 1941! December 7, 1941 to be exact in the pacific. A few days later, Germany and Italy declared war on us.

Germany gave up in early 1945 and Japan in Mid 1945, Late depending on how you divide the months! :)

Seems back in the day they considered that WW2 started when Japan invaded China. That wasnt in 1938. I thought it was before that. Wasnt it a gradual thing?

Depends on who you ask. Some even lump WWI and WWII as the same war. with a break inbetween. China was invaded in 1937 I believe it was by Japan. Some could say that was when WWII started.

Me Personally believe that WWII started in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland.

I always wonder how Lessons on WW2 are in other nations. Here in the US its one of the biggest shots of patrotic garbage I could get sick.

Oh well, not like history is about learning actual history. :)

Japan started to attack Manchuria(sp?) 1931, and you can actually say WWII started then.
Not really... at the time it was still a conflict between Japan and China and did not evolve into a "World" War.

Japan started to attack Manchuria(sp?) 1931, and you can actually say WWII started then.

Yep, although those are considered preludes to war, like German expansion prior to the invasion of Poland in 1939. It's like the Olympic games, there are going to be some events Wednesday and Thursday but the inauguration is on Friday.

Irrelivant when who declared war on who. What matters is when who's army fought with who for the first time.

It's like the Olympic games, there are going to be some events Wednesday and Thursday but the inauguration is on Friday.

The SCW is normally also counted as one of those warm-up events, just to get the spectators in the mood.

Irrelivant when who declared war on who. What matters is when who's army fought with who for the first time.

In a word: no.

Speaking of Alaska & Hawaii, as we were before we hit a tangent, could someone tell me if one is actually the 49th state and the other the 50th, or were the admitted simultaneously. A quick Google search reveals claims by inhabitants of both that they are the 49th.

I always wonder how Lessons on WW2 are in other nations. Here in the US its one of the biggest shots of patrotic garbage I could get sick.

Oh well, not like history is about learning actual history. :)

For the Post Allies its as you describe. For germany Its one giant guilt trip. And for Italy and japan as far as they are concerned it never happened. Especially japan.

Colodia, you are completely wrong! The flag has been updated since WW2. Hawaii and Alaska are the 49th and 50th states. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a commonwealth. Also WW2 did begin in 1938 but the US entered in 1942. The germans gave up in 1944 and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.
what...the flying...****?

Did you even bother to read past my words and click on the link? I know all these things for cryin out loud...

Not really... at the time it was still a conflict between Japan and China and did not evolve into a "World" War.

Japan invaded mainland China following the Marco Polo Bridge Incident in 1937, and since this conflict continued to drag on until 1945, it is part of World War II, so WWII can be said to have started in 1937, or 1939, the more Euro-centric date. The Manchurian Invasion can't work becuase that war was brought to an end before WWII.

I always wonder how Lessons on WW2 are in other nations. Here in the US its one of the biggest shots of patrotic garbage I could get sick.


Well, when I studied it in Mexico, it was not exactly a footnote but it wasn't a really big part of the curriculum. Pretty much Germany, Japan and Italy formed a side; Britain and France the other, joined later by the US. There really was no mention about the causes, maybe except the chaos created by WW1 and Hitler's search for power.

It wasn't very good. Most kids don't even know that Mexico sent a small squadron to fight in the Philippines after German subs sank two Mexican oil tankers. I mostly learned about WW2 from my father's books and my grandfather.

Irrelivant when who declared war on who. What matters is when who's army fought with who for the first time.
It didn't become a world war until the world got involved. If Great Britain and France hadn't declared war on Germany, it might have just been called the Polish Annexation.

For the Post Allies its as you describe. For germany Its one giant guilt trip.

It seemed to be taught as much less of one in East Germany - the official history tended to side more with the USSR's view of events than the Germans', or so I understand from talking to East Germans.

In a word: no.
Technically Korea is still at war. But you know they are not. Dont pull symantics with me. Bureaucracy is irrelivant. Quit flaming cause I aint biting. At least not anymore.

the worst part is its probably gonna pass, our school has made an absitnence class with some annoying bitch teacher who is still a virgin despite being married for like 5 years, and now they have made it mandatory for all freshman, thats in addition to a health class which doesnt teach anything about sex


and oh yeah, i remember doing some research about this a whiel back when i was rguing with some people whining about how teen pregnancies have went up since god was removed from school. the government report i read said teen pregnancies have significantly increased only since abstinance classes were added to the curriculum, this was in 1989

Then again, don't you think sex ed is something that should be up to the parents to teach their kids?

It seemed to be taught as much less of one in East Germany - the official history tended to side more with the USSR's view of events than the Germans', or so I understand from talking to East Germans.
True, West Germany was racked with serious debates on the collective guilt for the holocaust while East Germany blamed its neighbor. West Germany was the successor state to the 3rd Reich in their eyes and the Communists had nothing in common with the Nazis...
The suppression of the national socialist heritage is a reason why it has neo-Nazis have become more common in the East after the fall of the Regime.

Then again, don't you think sex ed is something that should be up to the parents to teach their kids?

Yes! I think it should be left to the parents.

The suppression of the national socialist heritage is a reason why it has neo-Nazis have become more common in the East after the fall of the Regime.

Amongst other things though - disillusionment with capitalism once it had been granted to them after being held up as their saviour, and the fact that the ex-East still remains noticeably less wealthy than the ex-West.

Then again, don't you think sex ed is something that should be up to the parents to teach their kids?
There are parents out there that would choose not to teach their children about it. Also there are some that have no idea about it themselves, or are just too ashamed of it to talk about it to their children. This would give birth to another ignorant generation and they would pass on their "inexperience" to their children.

Not really... at the time it was still a conflict between Japan and China and did not evolve into a "World" War.

Yep, although those are considered preludes to war, like German expansion prior to the invasion of Poland in 1939. It's like the Olympic games, there are going to be some events Wednesday and Thursday but the inauguration is on Friday.

yeah, I don't see '31 as the year that WWII started. It was rather a hint that if you start saying '38 was the start you could aswell go as far to say '31. ;)

Amongst other things though - disillusionment with capitalism once it had been granted to them after being held up as their saviour, and the fact that the ex-East still remains noticeably less wealthy than the ex-West.
If they weren't poor and with job problems, they would be less likely to search for someone to blame. But the fact that after the Reunification neo-National Socialism was on the rise was mainly because these people were no longer supressed by a dictatorial regime and could now freely express their opinion. Poverty came later too, but neo-Nazis were much better represented in the East because of the lack of confronting the problem.

i think 1931 is as reasonable a year to say WWII started as any other... conflict in Manchuria began in '31, and continued without pause through the end of WWII in 1945.

why are people biased against the Pacific Hemisphere?

Nazi Germany didn't start the war, they started the European war.. ah well. so much for history. Americans always seem to think that nothing happened in the Pacific until Pearl Harbor.

/american

Speaking of Alaska & Hawaii, as we were before we hit a tangent, could someone tell me if one is actually the 49th state and the other the 50th, or were the admitted simultaneously. A quick Google search reveals claims by inhabitants of both that they are the 49th.

Bad form replying to my own post, I know, but... seeing as how no one else would tell me - Alaska was the 49th (01/59) and Hawaii the 50th (08/59).

Bad form replying to my own post, I know, but... seeing as how no one else would tell me - Alaska was the 49th (01/59) and Hawaii the 50th (08/59).
good to know :) after you mentioned it was starting to bother me lol

i think 1931 is as reasonable a year to say WWII started as any other... conflict in Manchuria began in '31, and continued without pause through the end of WWII in 1945.

why are people biased against the Pacific Hemisphere?

Nazi Germany didn't start the war, they started the European war.. ah well. so much for history. Americans always seem to think that nothing happened in the Pacific until Pearl Harbor.

/american
It wasn't really a world war until fighting occurred pretty much worldwide, which occured when Britain and France declared war on Germany in 1939.

i think 1931 is as reasonable a year to say WWII started as any other... conflict in Manchuria began in '31, and continued without pause through the end of WWII in 1945.

No it didn't, there was a long pause between the Manchurian Invasion, and the Invasion of China (1937), during which there was a peace in China, which was only broken by the Marco Polo Bridge Incident.

why are people biased against the Pacific Hemisphere?

Mostly becuase the Chinese-Japanese theater really fizzled out by the time WWII came about, the Japanese could not advance further, and the Chinese could not throw them back, so they spent most of the war in partisan operations or raid until Ichi-Go offensive of 1944.

Nazi Germany didn't start the war, they started the European war.. ah well. so much for history. Americans always seem to think that nothing happened in the Pacific until Pearl Harbor.

Well, it really wasn't a World War until December 1941.

good to know :) after you mentioned it was starting to bother me lol

Shame on you then - you appear to be an American judging by your location. As a limey I'm allowed not to know these things.

Well, it really wasn't a World War until December 1941.

Let's not ignore the Canadians, eh? At war from 10th September 1939.

Let's not ignore the Canadians, eh? At war from 10th September 1939.
The commonwealth was at war at that time right? I think that counts as a world war.

Well, it really wasn't a World War until December 1941.
Technically, it was a World War in 1939 when Canada declared war on Germany, one day after Britain.

Technically, it was a World War in 1939 when Canada declared war on Germany, one day after Britain.

Yep, this is truth.

The commonwealth was at war at that time right? I think that counts as a world war.

I think the various parts of the Commonwealth declared war individually, rather than as the Commonwealth. For example: UK, Australia, New Zealand - 3rd September, South Africa - 6th September, Canada - 10th September.

It appears that it wasn't one day between the UK & Canada declaring war, but a week. Does anybody know if there is any truth to the story about the then PM of Canada being a spiritualist and attending a seance on the day when Poland was invaded, and then announcing that the spirits had told him that Hitler had committed suicide that very day?

Technically, it was a World War in 1939 when Canada declared war on Germany, one day after Britain.

The Japanese Empire was not at war with the Allies until December 1941, so by 1939, all it was, was a rehash of the Great War, centered in Europe, with a small number of actions away from the Continent.

Wow, the way this thread is bouncing back and forth between WWII and sex ed makes me feel like I'm in bed with a history professor.

Let's not ignore the Canadians, eh? At war from 10th September 1939.

I did not ignore them, I wasn't counting a World War as when the majority of the world's continents were at war, I counted it as when war was combined on two eperate sides of the globe (Europe and Pacific) in December 1941, why does everyone think I'm talking about Pearl Harbor, I'm talking about the Japanese Empire's lunge for land in the Pacific, which brought it to war against Britain and the Commonwealth along with the United States,

Wow, the way this thread is bouncing back and forth between WWII and sex ed makes me feel like I'm in bed with a history professor.

Makes me feel like I'm at war with my German ex-girlfriend.

The Japanese Empire was not at war with the Allies until December 1941, so by 1939, all it was, was a rehash of the Great War, centered in Europe, with a small number of actions away from the Continent.

That's one way to view it, the other is that powers from 4 out of the 5 populated continents were at war with each other before that time though - thus a world war.

This also explain my perspective with regard to your answer about Canada.


Does World War I/the Great War qualify as a world war by your definition?

That's one way to view it, the other is that powers from 4 out of the 5 populated continents were at war with each other before that time though - thus a world war.

as a note, there are, last I heard, 7 continents, 6 of which are inhabited.

Does World War I/the Great War qualify as a world war by your definition?

Nope, I usually refer to it as what it's name should be, the Great War, which was the name given to it until there was an even larger one. There were scattered actions in the Pacific and Africa (notably East Africa with von Lettow-Voebeck) but not what would constitute the world war of the 1940's. It started to be called World War I (to be fair, it had been referred to as the World War before the second one, but Great War was more common), when there was a world war going on, and since it was closely rooting in the past war, and featured almost the same combatants (at first), it was the Second World War, which meant there had to be a First.

as a note, there are, last I heard, 7 continents, 6 of which are inhabited.

In the UK we traditionally describe them as: Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, Antarctica, America (or at least, that is the way they were taught to me). I believe that in the US they subdivide between North America and South America, yes? Another set which is sometimes used is Australia, Eurasia, Africa, Antarctica, North America and South America. It seems that the exact natue of the definition of a continent is not entirely cut and dried.


I'm reminded of the historian whose name eludes me that spent most of the introduction to his work "Europe In The Middle Ages" bemoaning the fact that it was almost impossible to tell where both Europe and the Middle Ages actually started and finished...

Nope, I usually refer to it as what it's name should be, the Great War, which was the name given to it until there was an even larger one.

Being met with blank stares by people when I mention the Great War has led to me conceding to follow the flock in this instance. I found it interesting that even German speakers refer to it as 'die Erste Weltes Krieg'
* due to the same process that you described.





* my word-endings/suffixes are probably way off here.

In the UK we traditionally describe them as: Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, Antarctica, America. I believe that in the US they subdivide between North America and South America, yes? Another set which is sometimes used is Australia, Eurasia, Africa, Antarctica, North America and South America. It seems that the exact natue of the definition of a continent is not entirely cut and dried.

In that case, 5 out of 5 Continents were at war, which continent are you counting as not at war, I had thought you were talking about South America, but you don't differentiate. So...

America - Canada, the various colonial holdings in the West Indies, South America, and Belize

Australia - At war and member of the Commonwealth and Allies

Asia - Japan and China are at war, India is part of the British Empire, plus the Dutch Empire, and New Zealand, all are at war with Germany.

Africa - The French and British Empires were at war, the French switched between Vichy and Free French at various times, the Italian Empire was fighting heavily against the British African Empire. If you are saying that only independent countries count and not colonies, then Ethiopia was at war with Italy (it became a nation again when the British invaded Italian East Africa, the Emperor returned after over 4 years of exile in London.

Europe - Obviously, this entire continent is absorbed in war, by June 1941 every country except Turkey, Spain, and Vichy France are at war.

Of course, if you count "at war" as issuing a decleration of war, on an interesting sidenote, Germany was not "at war" until December 10th, 1941.

In that case, 5 out of 5 Continents were at war, which continent are you counting as not at war, I had thought you were talking about South America, but you don't differentiate. So...

...

Asia - Japan and China are at war, India is part of the British Empire, plus the Dutch Empire, and New Zealand, all are at war with Germany.

For some reason the fact that those parts of the British Commonwealth in East Asia were at war with Germay had slipped through the cracks there in a moment of idiocy.

I was leaving the Sino-Japanese war out of the equation at that point as it did not directly involve those other powers at war centred in Europe.

Then again, don't you think sex ed is something that should be up to the parents to teach their kids?

Generally, public schools send a waiver to the parents before sex-ed classes (especially in elementary and middle school). If the parent doesn't want their child to take the classes, they can opt out.

Europe - Obviously, this entire continent is absorbed in war, by June 1941 every country except Turkey, Spain, and Vichy France are at war.

cough... Switzerland... Eire... Portugal... cough.

Run over the micro-European states for me would you: from memory -

Lichtenstein weren't they occupied by Germany despite being nominally neutral.
Andora, the Vatican City, Monaco were left alone IIRC.
San Marino was accidentally bombed late in the war by the USAF when they were aiming at Italy.

Who have I forgotten?

cough... Switzerland... Eire... cough.

Run over the micro-European states for me would you: from memory -

Lichtenstein was occupied by Germany.
Andora, the Vatican City, Monaco were left alone.
San Marino was accidentally bombed late in the war by the USAF when they were aiming at Italy.

Who have I forgotten?

Heh, I seem to have caught that same stupidity virus, though I don't understand how I left out Switzerland, since I was just reading about the Operation the Germans had planned to invade it, time to smash head against wall.

Heh, I seem to have caught that same stupidity virus

I think our failings are more than excused as we haven't had anyone make any anti-Italian army or anti-French jokes yet. I think this may be a new record for a thread concerning WWII on NS.

San Marino was accidentally bombed late in the war by the USAF when they were aiming at Italy.


How can you hit San Marino while aiming at Italy? I would think it more probable to be aiming at San Marino and hit Italy instead :-)

I think our failings are more than excused as we haven't had anyone make any anti-Italian army or anti-French jokes yet. I think this may be a new record for a thread concerning WWII on NS.

Well the French did Roll over in 21 days! I wonder if any french rifles are still on e-bay!

You know the one:

French Rifle! Fired none, Dropped once!

Lol sorry couldn't resist that! The French are the Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys of Europe :p

How can you hit San Marino while aiming at Italy? I would think it more probable to be aiming at San Marino and hit Italy instead :-)

Apologies - San Marino sided with the Axis rather than remaining neutral, but it was bombed unintentionally by the British Air Force (not the USAF) when they were aiming for Italy.

Liechtenstein wasn't occupied, and its neutrality was respected.

Monaco, tried to remain neutral but was occupied by the Italians.

Then again, don't you think sex ed is something that should be up to the parents to teach their kids?
I would think that... if they actually did teach their kids it. But I think that when its something that important (even more important than knowing the dates that WW2 ended), I'm not gonna chance it by leaving it up to the parents

I would think that... if they actually did teach their kids it. But I think that when its something that important (even more important than knowing the dates that WW2 ended), I'm not gonna chance it by leaving it up to the parents

Out of curiosity, would you do away with the permission slips parents have to sign before a sex-ed class then? In effect, any parent can state "I don't want my kids being taught sex-ed by anyone but me" and then can simply not teach it.

Probably the best way to learn about sex is the way I did: Late night TV and the internet.

Go on, ask me anything :D

Q: What's the fastest gear on a french tank?

A: Reverse

Q: What do you call a frenchman advancing on Baghdad?

A: A salesman!

LOL :p

Ok, sorry I still can't resist these jokes :D

Q: What's the fastest gear on a french tank?

A: Reverse
:D

Real conversation with me and my friend:

Me: Look at me! I can speak French!
Friend: Uh-huh...
Me: No seriously!
Friend: Do it then
Me: "We surrender!"



(although it's one of those jokes that're funnier in person)

Out of curiosity, would you do away with the permission slips parents have to sign before a sex-ed class then? In effect, any parent can state "I don't want my kids being taught sex-ed by anyone but me" and then can simply not teach it.
I dunno, I'm kinda torn on that one. On the one hand there's a freedom of choice issue, on the other hand I don't really feel like protecting a parent's right to keep their child ignorant...

There is precedant though: I don't think really that sex ed should be any different from history or maths, it should be compulsory in the curriculum

:D

Real conversation with me and my friend:

Me: Look at me! I can speak French!
Friend: Uh-huh...
Me: No seriously!
Friend: Do it then
Me: "We surrender!"



(although it's one of those jokes that're funnier in person)

LOL!!! I like that! :)

Okay, here are the states:

1. Alabama
2. Alaska
3. Arizona
4. Arkansas
5. California
6. Colorado
7. Connecticut
8. Delaware
9. Florida
10. Georgia
11. Hawaii
12. Idaho
13. Illinois
14. Indiana
15. Kansas
16. Kentucky
17. Louisiana
18. Maine
19. Maryland
20. Massachuesetts
21. Michigan
22. Minnesota
23. Mississippi
24. Misouri (sp?)
25. Montana
26. Nebraska
27. Nevada
28. New Hampshire
29. New Jersey
30. New Mexico
31. New York
32. North Carolina
33. North Dakota
34. Ohio
35. Oklahoma
36. Oregon
37. Pennsylvania
38. Rhode Island
39. South Carolina
40. South Dakota
41. Tennessee
42. Texas
43. Utah
45. Vermont
46. Virginia
47. Washington
48. West Virginia
49. Wisconsin
50. Wyoming

That's fifty states. And say you do throw in Puerto Rico, that's fifty-one. What other two states make fifty-three? And Washington D.C. does NOT count.

Okay, here are the states:

1. Alabama
2. Alaska
3. Arizona
4. Arkansas
5. California
6. Colorado
7. Connecticut
8. Delaware
9. Florida
10. Georgia
11. Hawaii
12. Idaho
13. Illinois
14. Indiana
15. Kansas
16. Kentucky
17. Louisiana
18. Maine
19. Maryland
20. Massachuesetts
21. Michigan
22. Minnesota
23. Mississippi
24. Misouri (sp?)
25. Montana
26. Nebraska
27. Nevada
28. New Hampshire
29. New Jersey
30. New Mexico
31. New York
32. North Carolina
33. North Dakota
34. Ohio
35. Oklahoma
36. Oregon
37. Pennsylvania
38. Rhode Island
39. South Carolina
40. South Dakota
41. Tennessee
42. Texas
43. Utah
45. Vermont
46. Virginia
47. Washington
48. West Virginia
49. Wisconsin
50. Wyoming

That's fifty states. And say you do throw in Puerto Rico, that's fifty-one. What other two states make fifty-three? And Washington D.C. does NOT count.From memory?

I have no problem with teaching abstinence as an option, or even as the best option. I *do* have a problem with leaving birth control out of sex-ed altogether. That's like saying, "We know that the best way to not get burnt is to not have a fire, so we don't have to teach kids what to do if there's a fire, because then they might start more fires."

So its true that US have classes were they tell people to stay away from sex before marrage? And that protection is something controversial. I tougth that were an bad joke.

Here (Sweden) Sexual education basicly is "this is an condom and this is how you use it" This is were you can go and get em for free and this is were you go to make sure that your decise free you should do it after every unprotected contact and somet times even if you have used condoms just to be sure. They start whit that when were 10 and continue until we leave high school.

I always wonder how Lessons on WW2 are in other nations. Here in the US its one of the biggest shots of patrotic garbage I could get sick.

Oh well, not like history is about learning actual history. :)

We probably get to know pretty moutsh the same stuff that you know. Lots of tactical manuvers big battles and some about how evil and terrible the germans were and that US sawed us all (Dossent mather that Sovjet took care of the main battles. And pushed germany back. D-day is still conciderd to be the day germany lost despite the fact that they by all means lost the war at Stalingrad.)
Becides from that we get to know about all the bad shit everyboddy else did. But nothing at all about what we did. Gave germany norway (more or less) Haid our own concentration camps, Gave away 1000s of jeves to germany (Yes i know we got this big fancy hero diplomate that sawed 100s of others from there. But the hard fact is that we send 1000s to germany) Haid our own SS battalion in active duty under the war, were the first state in the world that haid an biological rase institute (Dr mengele studied here btw)

From memory?

Yep, once you've learned the "Fifty Nifty" song you never forget the names of the states again, or at least you don't forget most of them. Why do you ask? Did I screw up my list or something?

Yep, once you've learned the "Fifty Nifty" song you never forget the names of the states again, or at least you don't forget most of them. Why do you ask? Did I screw up my list or something?
No, you didn't screw it up, I was just wondering. I'm not american, but I can name all 50, I was wondering if anyone else had bothered to learn such a fairly inept bit of trivia.

No, you didn't screw it up, I was just wondering. I'm not american, but I can name all 50, I was wondering if anyone else had bothered to learn such a fairly inept bit of trivia.
yep, i know them, and all the capitals. i can also do the capitals alphabetically. i also know all the countries in Africa (as of 2003) and their capitals, though that region changes a lot from year to year. i naturally can do Europe and South and Central America (those are relatively easy), and most of Asia.

and they say public education doesn't work! our geography program was second to none :).

yep, i know them, and all the capitals. i can also do the capitals alphabetically. i also know all the countries in Africa (as of 2003) and their capitals, though that region changes a lot from year to year. i naturally can do Europe and South and Central America (those are relatively easy), and most of Asia.

and they say public education doesn't work! our geography program was second to none :).

I know most of europe and Asia! Most of Central and nearly all of South America, the Carribean and definitely no all of North America. States, know those too as well as the capitols. Probably have to think on a couple but I do know them :)

Colodia, you are completely wrong! The flag has been updated since WW2. Hawaii and Alaska are the 49th and 50th states. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a commonwealth. Also WW2 did begin in 1938 but the US entered in 1942. The germans gave up in 1944 and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.

The US entered in 1941.

yep, i know them, and all the capitals. i can also do the capitals alphabetically. i also know all the countries in Africa (as of 2003) and their capitals, though that region changes a lot from year to year. i naturally can do Europe and South and Central America (those are relatively easy), and most of Asia.

and they say public education doesn't work! our geography program was second to none :).
See, I seriously considered learning stuff like this, but then I thought, 50 States is more than enough to get rid of anyone I don't want to talk to at a party already, so why bother?

The US entered in 1941.

But you're happy with his date of 1938 for the start of the war and 1944 for the date of the German surrender???

They quit teaching History years ago....afterall, we wouldn't want to "offend" anyone. :rolleyes:

Thank you politically correct morons.....Oh fuck you Biff. Must be nice to have a scapegoat for every fucking thing that ever goes wrong on the face of the earth. Jesus Christ you're pathetic.

The US entered in 1941.
December 9, 1941, I believe. Pearl Harbor was on Dec. 7.

In the UK we traditionally describe them as: Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, Antarctica, America (or at least, that is the way they were taught to me). I believe that in the US they subdivide between North America and South America, yes? Another set which is sometimes used is Australia, Eurasia, Africa, Antarctica, North America and South America. It seems that the exact natue of the definition of a continent is not entirely cut and dried.


I'm reminded of the historian whose name eludes me that spent most of the introduction to his work "Europe In The Middle Ages" bemoaning the fact that it was almost impossible to tell where both Europe and the Middle Ages actually started and finished...
here in the US we typically devide the continents into North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and Antartica. As I always understood it a continent was a major body of land which is the predominant feature on a plate. North and South America are seperate continents because until "recent" times (in a geological sense) they were seperate. I believe the geology indicates that Europe and Asia also where seperate though I am unsure of that.

Oh fuck you Biff. Must be nice to have a scapegoat for every fucking thing that ever goes wrong on the face of the earth. Jesus Christ you're pathetic.

Incertonia, it isn't nice to swear when someone is actually right! your the pathetic one that has no other words to use.

Incertonia, it isn't nice to swear when someone is actually right! your the pathetic one that has no other words to use.
Sorry, you actually think that the fact that history is taught to an amazing degree of innacuracy is the fault of political correctness??

Sorry, you actually think that the fact that history is taught to an amazing degree of innacuracy is the fault of political correctness??

Some of it is actually! Other inaccuracies is because teachers don't care and that the writers are wrong.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/09/private.school.invest.ap/index.html

Lockyer said the curriculum consisted of a slim workbook riddled with errors, including:


The United States has 53 states but the "flag has not yet been updated to reflect the addition of the last three states" -- Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico.


World War II began in 1938 and ended in 1942.


There are two houses of Congress -- the Senate and the House, and "one is for Democrats and the other is for the Republicans, respectively."

:D....If only that third one was true...we'd be split in a milisecond

Aren't PRIVATE SCHOOLS great?
This would NOT have happened in a public school.

As I always understood it a continent was a major body of land which is the predominant feature on a plate. North and South America are seperate continents because until "recent" times (in a geological sense) they were seperate. I believe the geology indicates that Europe and Asia also where seperate though I am unsure of that.

Quite possibly your definition of what actually constitutes a continent is correct, but remember that the theory of plate-tectonics only really gained acceptance in the scientific community in the early 1960s. I was born in the early 70s, and so it hadn't quite trickled down to the kind of education I was getting as a child. Continents may have a definite scientific definition now, but they have had cultural definitions much longer than that, and it was in that context in which I was speaking.

Some of it is actually! Other inaccuracies is because teachers don't care and that the writers are wrong.
I'm not drinking this Kool-aid. Give me an example of a taught-in-schools historical innacuracy that has been created or exaggerated by political correctness. And please don't choose the great ZOG conspiracy or similar

I'm not drinking this Kool-aid. Give me an example of a taught-in-schools historical innacuracy that has been created or exaggerated by political correctness. And please don't choose the great ZOG conspiracy

Spoffin, all you have to do is listen to the news and see what schools are taking out of textbooks.

Spoffin, all you have to do is listen to the news and see what schools are taking out of textbooks.
News = current
Textbooks = written some time ago.

I don't understand

Spoffin, all you have to do is listen to the news and see what schools are taking out of textbooks.

I'm not Spoffin, but I'm interested to hear what they are taking out of the textbooks in the US. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me. Please.

Taking things out that'll be offensive to anyone!

Stuff about the indians have been taken out. Things about the Muslims have been takin out. Its been awhile since i've seen the inside of a High School Text book though.

Stuff about the indians have been taken out. Things about the Muslims have been takin out.Like what?

So its true that US have classes were they tell people to stay away from sex before marrage? And that protection is something controversial. I tougth that were an bad joke.

Here (Sweden) Sexual education basicly is "this is an condom and this is how you use it" This is were you can go and get em for free and this is were you go to make sure that your decise free you should do it after every unprotected contact and somet times even if you have used condoms just to be sure. They start whit that when were 10 and continue until we leave high school.

And, according to these statistics I found with a quick google search : http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_teens.html
You guys have almost the exact percentage of teenage sex, but much, much less teenage pregnancy. Seems like a good deal to me. And people say that giving out condoms increases the sex and teen pregnancy?

Heard this on the radio this morning. Found it amusing.

There are most certainly egregious errors in school textbooks these days--I know firsthand because I saw some in my daughter's books a couple of years ago. I got pissed because Biff--as per usual--blamed it on liberals without any reason or proof.

You think YOU have it bad?

I get taught pro-Bush, pro-Conservative junk everyday! Agh! We don't even have Sex-Ed! I learned everything from the Street and T.V.

Man, and as for History, thank God for the History Channel, it keeps me stimulated...

You think YOU have it bad?

I get taught pro-Bush, pro-Conservative junk everyday! Agh! We don't even have Sex-Ed! I learned everything from the Street and T.V.

Man, and as for History, thank God for the History Channel, it keeps me stimulated...
Geez, I was a teacher once---when teaching meant making kids THINK. That was in the 70's. Sigh. God help us.

Geez, I was a teacher once---when teaching meant making kids THINK. That was in the 70's. Sigh. God help us.

Which is why I like these forums.

Thanks to NS, I've learned new forms of Government, learned new ideas, I thought of my own ideas. I even changed a little. So basically, you've been my teachers o-o

I remember disliking public school history books becuase they didn't contain enough information, just the surface of it. I recently got to take a look through the current World History textbook being used by the local high school, and I didn't see any glaring errors (well, except that the invasion of Souther France in 1944 is listed as Operation Anvil, it had been chaged to Dragoon sometime before, but most people still call it Anvil), but I still think it doesn't go into enough detail, but considering what it has to cover, I guess that is ok, they should divide the classes down more though.

I remember disliking public school history books becuase they didn't contain enough information, just the surface of it. I recently got to take a look through the current World History textbook being used by the local high school, and I didn't see any glaring errors (well, except that the invasion of Souther France in 1944 is listed as Operation Anvil, it had been chaged to Dragoon sometime before, but most people still call it Anvil), but I still think it doesn't go into enough detail, but considering what it has to cover, I guess that is ok, they should divide the classes down more though.That's still largely the case--all you get is a cursory examination at best. The fault generally lies with the school system that tries to cram US history into a single year worth of classes--if they even get that much. And college isn't much better unless you take targeted courses--their basic history courses still largely skim the surface.

In my high school history class, my senior year, (AP American History), we used the book "The Glory and the Dream" as our textbook. I probably should've read more of it...

and oh yeah, i remember doing some research about this a whiel back when i was rguing with some people whining about how teen pregnancies have went up since god was removed from school. the government report i read said teen pregnancies have significantly increased only since abstinance classes were added to the curriculum, this was in 1989

Havent you seen the commercials? Pot makes you pregnant.

Colodia, you are completely wrong! The flag has been updated since WW2. Hawaii and Alaska are the 49th and 50th states. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a commonwealth. Also WW2 did begin in 1938 but the US entered in 1942. The germans gave up in 1944 and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.

Pretty good, although most sources indicate WWII started when Germany invaded Poland in 1939, not 1938.

EDIT:
Forgot one thing - it depends how you want to say the US "entered" WWII. I typically say 1941 as Dec 7 was Pearl Harbour. However, I don't have my sources with me and I'm too lazy to look up when exactly they declared war on Japan and Germany.

You think YOU have it bad?

I get taught pro-Bush, pro-Conservative junk everyday! Agh! We don't even have Sex-Ed! I learned everything from the Street and T.V.

Man, and as for History, thank God for the History Channel, it keeps me stimulated...

Why is it the state's job to teach you that (sex ed) anyway? You're wasting my tax dollars.

Pretty good, although most sources indicate WWII started when Germany invaded Poland in 1939, not 1938.
Of course, it depends on perspective really. Japan and Russia had been fighting since when, 1936?

Of course, it depends on perspective really. Japan and Russia had been fighting since when, 1936?

Are you referring to Khalkin Gol/Nomanhan (depending on which side your quoting), that was in 1939, and they were not at war, it was the only military action between the two until 1945, and the Soviets under Zhukov crushed the Japanese, but it was not a war, just a large border clash that was settled peacefully later on.

Oops...that'd be Japan/China rather (I think) and the invasion of Manchuria. That's probably what I was talking about.

Pretty good, although most sources indicate WWII started when Germany invaded Poland in 1939, not 1938.

EDIT:
Forgot one thing - it depends how you want to say the US "entered" WWII. I typically say 1941 as Dec 7 was Pearl Harbour. However, I don't have my sources with me and I'm too lazy to look up when exactly they declared war on Japan and Germany.


So, is Maniacal Autocrat also from a different timestream where the Germans surrender a year ealrier than they did in our one (1945 not '44)?

I'm somewhat worried that at least two other people have posted to correct the starting date, but have been happy to ignore the inaccuracy of the second to last date.

Pretty good, although most sources indicate WWII started when Germany invaded Poland in 1939, not 1938.

EDIT:
Forgot one thing - it depends how you want to say the US "entered" WWII. I typically say 1941 as Dec 7 was Pearl Harbour. However, I don't have my sources with me and I'm too lazy to look up when exactly they declared war on Japan and Germany.

Japan Declared War on us on December 7th. The declaration was supposed to have been handed to the Secretary of State BEFORE the attack. It wasn't. The next day, on December 8, 1941, US Declared War on the Japan. On December 1, Hitler Declared war on the USA As did Mussolini.

Out of curiosity, would you do away with the permission slips parents have to sign before a sex-ed class then? In effect, any parent can state "I don't want my kids being taught sex-ed by anyone but me" and then can simply not teach it.

How about requiring aforementioned parental approval for class attendance but a compulsary exam for everyone to ensure they don't have any... ahem... misconceptions..?

(And no, I'm not talking about a practical exam. And if you want to read any more double-entendres into that than I intended, consider instead the twisted way "being tought about sex by your parents" can be misread... :) )

Why is it the state's job to teach you that (sex ed) anyway? You're wasting my tax dollars.
If teaching kids how the reproductive system works helps reduce teen pregnancy and helps keep young adults off welfare and food stamps, then it's really not a waste of tax dollars. It's cheaper to teach them early than it is to provide social services later in life.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/09/private.school.invest.ap/index.html

Lockyer said the curriculum consisted of a slim workbook riddled with errors, including:


The United States has 53 states but the "flag has not yet been updated to reflect the addition of the last three states" -- Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico.


World War II began in 1938 and ended in 1942.


There are two houses of Congress -- the Senate and the House, and "one is for Democrats and the other is for the Republicans, respectively."

:D....If only that third one was true...we'd be split in a milisecond

The book was prophetic except they got the names wrong ... Iraq, Afghanistan and Australia.

I'm not drinking this Kool-aid. Give me an example of a taught-in-schools historical innacuracy that has been created or exaggerated by political correctness. And please don't choose the great ZOG conspiracy or similar

Dratted forum lost my original message. In short, an example from here in Britain concerns our Empire of times past. You know the one. "Half the globe was pink" and all that (ignoring the 2/3rds that was blue, anyway...). Not necessarily a gloriously divine episode in history, but certainly a precursor to a lot of modern or semi-modern situations. Consider the India/Pakistan question, the way aboriginals of various continents (e.g. .au and .nz, but not limited to them) have been and are treated, the unique situation that Hong Kong enjoys within the Chinese nation, Ancient Persia => Iraq, the Suez Crisis and various other situations.

So why does the (average) UK student, during the Secondary-level education, apparently now receive half a lesson on this subject. It appears to be because of the PC brigade excising historic events either because:
1) The Empire did something really bad to another culture, in the name of Empire-building, and we can't be seen to condone such activities,
2) Suggesting that the Empire helped stabilise a region is offensive towards people of (or descended from those of) that region.

Yes, it is a lot more complex than that, and the Empire (the one with the 5'0" woman with a crown, not the one with the 6'7.5" man/machine with the helmet) wasn't necessarily a good thing, not necessarily somethign to be proud of but it is also not something to be shunned and forgotten about.

They quit teaching History years ago....afterall, we wouldn't want to "offend" anyone. :rolleyes:

Thank you politically correct morons.....

Oh grow the fuck up, dude. This isn't even remotely about that.

Why is it the state's job to teach you that (sex ed) anyway? You're wasting my tax dollars.


um...because the reproductive system is part of human anatomy, and if we require that students learn how the human body works, then you need to teach it.

'ah yes class, we've covered the nervous system, the circulatory system, the skeletal system....but those organs? oh never mind. they aren't that important anyway...'

Why is it the state's job to teach you that (sex ed) anyway? You're wasting my tax dollars.

Based on that I would wager that you are also opposed to your tax dollars going to feed the vast numbers of unplanned impoverished children that an ignorant and unschooled populous will produce, so I will not bother trying to explain it to you.

Taking things out that'll be offensive to anyone!

Stuff about the indians have been taken out. Things about the Muslims have been takin out. Its been awhile since i've seen the inside of a High School Text book though.

I don't know about being taken out, but rather misrepresented. Instead of teaching what the Muslims believed, it instead gave a western interpretation of what happened.

For example when the Prophet went and received divine inspiration. Muslims believe that he received inspiration from the Angle Gabriel. Our history book taught that he had eppileptic seizers. (Pardon my spelling.)

Another misrepresentation was on the concept of monotheism. In the Quran most Surah's start out with "Bismillah Hirahman nerrahim", which translates into "In the name of Allah, the most Merciful, the Most Divine". The book took it that Rahman, and Rahim were seperate deities though, and claimed that as such Islam is a polotheisitic faith.

Their were several other examples. Fortunatly my teacher allowed people to come in and guest lecture to provide a better understanding, and he also handed out copies from other books that he thought did a better job. But I graduated in 1998, and things might be different now.

Originally Posted by Mormona
Colodia, you are completely wrong! The flag has been updated since WW2. Hawaii and Alaska are the 49th and 50th states. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a commonwealth. Also WW2 did begin in 1938 but the US entered in 1942. The germans gave up in 1944 and then the nukes hit Japan in 1945, causeing the Japan to surrender, thus ending WW2.

Guess who didn't read the article...

And got the years wrong on WWII

If its any consolation to you Americans, in the British system I was threatened with punishment for arguing with a teacher when I was about 8 when she claimed that the Soviet Union were the first people to put a man on the moon. Fast forward 14 years and I'm studying philosophy at college - the lecturer rights up an example of sense and reference that was meant to be a true statement - "John Glenn was the first man on the moon". Mumblings from the benches follow for a while until someone says 'No, he wasn't - Neil Armstrong was.' The lecturer argues for a couple of minutes and then concedes his error... he then corrects his example to read "John Glenn was the first man in space"...

Stupid teacher if he does not know who was the first in space or the moon

If teaching kids how the reproductive system works helps reduce teen pregnancy and helps keep young adults off welfare and food stamps, then it's really not a waste of tax dollars. It's cheaper to teach them early than it is to provide social services later in life.

Where are their parents?

Social services = more of my tax dollars wasted

Based on that I would wager that you are also opposed to your tax dollars going to feed the vast numbers of unplanned impoverished children that an ignorant and unschooled populous will produce, so I will not bother trying to explain it to you.

Yes, thank you

If teaching kids how the reproductive system works helps reduce teen pregnancy and helps keep young adults off welfare and food stamps, then it's really not a waste of tax dollars. It's cheaper to teach them early than it is to provide social services later in life.

This is a bit different than sex ed. Actually, the biology stuff is fine. But having specific sex ed classes are useless. When I took them (back in 91), the teacher mostly showed us slam-dunk contest videos. It was all very confusing.

There are parents out there that would choose not to teach their children about it. Also there are some that have no idea about it themselves, or are just too ashamed of it to talk about it to their children. This would give birth to another ignorant generation and they would pass on their "inexperience" to their children.

And sexual education and such has really helped???? not being sarcastic actually curious.

i think 1931 is as reasonable a year to say WWII started as any other... conflict in Manchuria began in '31, and continued without pause through the end of WWII in 1945.

why are people biased against the Pacific Hemisphere?

Nazi Germany didn't start the war, they started the European war.. ah well. so much for history. Americans always seem to think that nothing happened in the Pacific until Pearl Harbor.

/american

THE WORLD WAR STARTED WHEN THE SUPER POWERS OF THE TIME WENT TO WAR. simple as that. China was the same a bit of territory in africa. as long as it was not owned by one of the powers, it was fair game.
This conflict started when the powers went to war as their territories spanned the world.

And sexual education and such has really helped???? not being sarcastic actually curious.

You should be sarcastic

he then corrects his example to read "John Glenn was the first man in space"...Stupid teacher if he does not know who was the first in space or the moon
Ummm ... ever hear of Yuri Gagarin? He beat Glenn by 10 months. John Glenn was the first American in space.

ok, lets see:
A) on the original topic line, did anyone else notice that it wasn't an actual school? It's an education program for immigrants who have never been to high school and need a GED or Diploma. They are in trouble for falsly advertising that they can hand out diplomas, where they really have no such power. The propaganda in your high school textbooks are all acceptable innacuracies of PC america. So the fifty third state is the kind of mistake that would be spotted by anyone who has been born and raised in america, but could easily be put on to a poor Mexican (or any foreigner without a LOT of international education. Do any of you americans know how many states are in brazil? Hell, most of us are hazy as to how many countries are in europe)

B) How was it we got started on Sex Ed? You know, i don't really think it's necessary, seeing as how the human race has propagated itself rather well for the last ten thousand or so years without having anything explained to them.

The reasons for teaching are ambiguous, at best, but the only purpose is to say that either teenagers shouldn't have sex, or that they should use whatever kind of birth control. No matter what side you're on, they are teaching a values system of some kind, and this cannot be reconciled.

If it were simply the biological functions involved, wouldn't it be in your Biology class? (it's in most BIO books, and is often taught) I can sort of see the connection to health, but i never learned anything in a health class (it's like PE without actually getting any excersise) yeah, braindead teachers...

And World War 2 started in 1914 and there was a twenty year lapse until 1938

And World War 2 started in 1914 and there was a twenty year lapse until 1938
If you are correct, shouldn't it be called WW1 still?

here in the US we typically devide the continents into North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and Antartica. As I always understood it a continent was a major body of land which is the predominant feature on a plate. North and South America are seperate continents because until "recent" times (in a geological sense) they were seperate. I believe the geology indicates that Europe and Asia also where seperate though I am unsure of that.

Nope they were 3 bodies. not six. north/south america has always been connected.

Ummm ... ever hear of Yuri Gagarin? He beat Glenn by 10 months. John Glenn was the first American in space.

that's what i was saying. sorry if not clear

And World War 2 started in 1914 and there was a twenty year lapse until 1938

how the hell did you work that one out.

AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE....

08/12/1941 President Roosevelt addresses the U.S. Congress, saying that December 7 is "a date that will live in infamy." After a vote of 82-0 in the U.S. Senate, and 388-1 in the House, in favor of declaring war on Japan, Roosevelt signs the declaration of war.
11/12/1941 In response to Germany and Italy's declaration of war, the US reciprocates and declares war on both Germany and Italy. Costa Rica, Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Nicaragua also declare war on Germany and Italy.
12/12/1941 US declares war on Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria after receiving those country's declarations of war against the US.

Nope they were 3 bodies. not six. north/south america has always been connected.


No, they haven't. They've been connected for about 1 or so million years, if I remember correctly.

I thought it was euro-asia, oceania and another one

The reasons for teaching are ambiguous, at best, but the only purpose is to say that either teenagers shouldn't have sex, or that they should use whatever kind of birth control. No matter what side you're on, they are teaching a values system of some kind, and this cannot be reconciled.

There is no place for any value system in sex-ed. You teach the students what sex is, what the risks of sex are, and the numerouse ways to protect yourself from those risks. Both abstinence and various forms of birth control should be taught about, but neither should have a "value" attached to them. It is up to the parents to decided which option to push.

that post about history is just sad :(

As for education and sex ed it should be left to the parents of the child how and when such a thing is taught. Birth control is not perfect whereas abstinence works much better that is if one has the willpower to stick to it I think a combo of the two is the best choice.

Where are their parents?

Social services = more of my tax dollars wastedRemember that attitude when the children born because of that waste of "your" money are busy sticking a gun to your head and robbing you of your tax rebates. Crime rates go up when social services decline--it's pretty much a straight-line correlation. So talk shit about sex ed being a waste of "your" money, but remember--it's cheaper to teach a person how not to get pregnant than it is to put that person's kid in jail after he's beaten your head in and taken your wallet. Try looking at the world beyond the orbit of your own ass sometime.

how the hell did you work that one out.

AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE....

08/12/1941 President Roosevelt addresses the U.S. Congress, saying that December 7 is "a date that will live in infamy." After a vote of 82-0 in the U.S. Senate, and 388-1 in the House, in favor of declaring war on Japan, Roosevelt signs the declaration of war.
11/12/1941 In response to Germany and Italy's declaration of war, the US reciprocates and declares war on both Germany and Italy. Costa Rica, Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Nicaragua also declare war on Germany and Italy.
12/12/1941 US declares war on Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria after receiving those country's declarations of war against the US.It's based on the argument that WWII was an outgrowth of the harsh conditions imposed on Germany after WWI, and there's something to it. There's certainly an argument to be made that the harsh reparations placed on Germany led to the economic meltdown that allowed Hitler to rise to power.

I thought it was euro-asia, oceania and another one

You've been reading too much George Orwell... you're refering to the names of the powers in the book "1984" which, by the way, are Eurasia, Oceania, and Eastasia.

Remember that attitude when the children born because of that waste of "your" money are busy sticking a gun to your head and robbing you of your tax rebates. Crime rates go up when social services decline--it's pretty much a straight-line correlation. So talk shit about sex ed being a waste of "your" money, but remember--it's cheaper to teach a person how not to get pregnant than it is to put that person's kid in jail after he's beaten your head in and taken your wallet. Try looking at the world beyond the orbit of your own ass sometime.

Hmm...I believe crime was much lower in the 20s and 30s (aside from some mob types) when there was a severe lack of social services. I might also add that teenage pregnancies were much lower then too - BEFORE all the sex ed stuff.

I just think that the parents should be the ones to talk to their kids about it. I don't want some random person in a state run school doing it.

And honestly - what 13 year old doesnt know how someone gets pregnant?

Hmm...I believe crime was much lower in the 20s and 30s (aside from some mob types) when there was a severe lack of social services. I might also add that teenage pregnancies were much lower then too - BEFORE all the sex ed stuff.

I just think that the parents should be the ones to talk to their kids about it. I don't want some random person in a state run school doing it.

And honestly - what 13 year old doesnt know how someone gets pregnant?
Different world completely--and crime was ridiculously high in the urban areas that existed at the time. And teen pregnancies were also high, but that's largely due to the younger age at which the lower income levels tended to marry and start reproducing.

I agree that in a perfect world, sex education would be handled by the parents--but this isn't a perfect world, and when you look at teen pregnancy rates in places where safe sex is taught in schools versus abstinence olny education systems, you see a marked difference both in teen pregnancy rates and in std rates. Safe sex programs work far better than abstinence only programs.

And as to your last question--you have no idea how large that percentage is. I can tell you from teaching freshmen in college that perhaps 20% of my students didn't really know how everything worked, and had serious misconceptions. Not to cast aspersions on any particular group, but the more religiously conservative the student's background--and this was Arkansas--the less they knew about the biological side of sex.

Ummm ... ever hear of Yuri Gagarin? He beat Glenn by 10 months. John Glenn was the first American in space.

That was my point: listing some of the errors that I have experienced inconenction with a single subject in my experience - the elipsis (three dots) was there at the end of the post to signal that something still wasn't correct, and that you could guess the rest of the story yourselves.

There is no place for any value system in sex-ed. You teach the students what sex is, what the risks of sex are, and the numerouse ways to protect yourself from those risks.

Problem here: your value system is used to judge what are defined as risks (potential bad things) and what aren't.

that post about history is just sad :(

As for education and sex ed it should be left to the parents of the child how and when such a thing is taught. Birth control is not perfect whereas abstinence works much better that is if one has the willpower to stick to it I think a combo of the two is the best choice.I like the saying about abstinence--it works one hundred percent of the time until it doesn't, and then you're fucked.

And as to your last question--you have no idea how large that percentage is. I can tell you from teaching freshmen in college that perhaps 20% of my students didn't really know how everything worked, and had serious misconceptions. Not to cast aspersions on any particular group, but the more religiously conservative the student's background--and this was Arkansas--the less they knew about the biological side of sex.

Jesus man - that is just wrong. I taught at VA Tech for two years - and have a really hard time comprehending that there are people their age who don't know this stuff.

I got my education in Germany - when I was around 9 I noticed that several stations turned into porn at around 10 pm. Needless to say, I sure liked living there.

Jesus man - that is just wrong. I taught at VA Tech for two years - and have a really hard time comprehending that there are people their age who don't know this stuff.

I got my education in Germany - when I was around 9 I noticed that several stations turned into porn at around 10 pm. Needless to say, I sure liked living there.
Hey, dude--I agree completely. My mom and dad taught my sister and me the whole shebang when I was 12 and my sister was 10. We knew medical terminology and everything, and I've done the same with my daughter--she's almost 14 and has known for a couple of years as well. And I was raised as a very conservative christian--abstinence was certainly the rule and breaking that rule was not an option. But my parents, and indeed our church as a whole, felt forewarned was forearmed, and so we learned the grisly details.

I'm not a member of the church anymore, but I appreciated that level of detail then and like it even more so now that I have to worry about my own kid. Everyone ought to have that kind of talk with their kids--but for those who don't or won't, there needs to be some sort of backup plan that deals with the details of human anatomy and biology so you don't have people thinking that they can't get pregnant if they're not really in love--swear to God, one of my students said that once.

...so you don't have people thinking that they can't get pregnant if they're not really in love--swear to God, one of my students said that once.

Hahaha - wow, different worlds I guess.

Here was my "talk" -

"Son, I'm sure you know everything about sex from your friend. But let me tell you, condoms don't always work. Look at how many siblings you have."

Problem here: your value system is used to judge what are defined as risks (potential bad things) and what aren't.

By "risks" I meant "possible consequences." I'm pretty sure we can all agree that STDs and pregnancy are possible consequences of sex. Pregnancy is not necessarily a "bad thing," but I think we can all agree that STDs are.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/09/private.school.invest.ap/index.html

Lockyer said the curriculum consisted of a slim workbook riddled with errors, including:


The United States has 53 states but the "flag has not yet been updated to reflect the addition of the last three states" -- Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico.


World War II began in 1938 and ended in 1942.


There are two houses of Congress -- the Senate and the House, and "one is for Democrats and the other is for the Republicans, respectively."

:D....If only that third one was true...we'd be split in a milisecond

Does any of this surprise me at all? No, not really.

Yes, Austria was annexed in 1938, but the start date of WWII is generally put at 1939 with the invasion of Poland.



Late 1941, actually.




1945, actually.



Correct.

Are you perhaps a puppet sent here to troll?

The war started the minute Versailles was forced down upon a helpless Germany. The seeds were sown and then they were reaped in 1939 in Poland.

One could say the war started in 1931 when Japan invaded Manchuria.

Yes, Austria was annexed in 1938, but the start date of WWII is generally put at 1939 with the invasion of Poland.
The war started the minute Versailles was forced down upon a helpless Germany. The seeds were sown and then they were reaped in 1939 in Poland.


For not the first time in this thread I will point out that I used the term 'generally' in my response because I am aware that this is an issue of debate, but 1939, right or wrong, remains the prevalent acknowledged start date, at least in my part of the world.

Birth control is not perfect whereas abstinence works much better that is if one has the willpower to stick to it I think a combo of the two is the best choice.

Well, yes, of course. Don't go sticking it into anything that comes across and when you do, take your precautions.

Sounds reasonable.

So where was that straight line rise in crime after the 96 welfare reform bill?

What was the massive cut in social services around 1964 that sent crime skyrocketing across the country?

Remember that attitude when the children born because of that waste of "your" money are busy sticking a gun to your head and robbing you of your tax rebates. Crime rates go up when social services decline--it's pretty much a straight-line correlation. So talk shit about sex ed being a waste of "your" money, but remember--it's cheaper to teach a person how not to get pregnant than it is to put that person's kid in jail after he's beaten your head in and taken your wallet. Try looking at the world beyond the orbit of your own ass sometime.

So where was that straight line rise in crime after the 96 welfare reform bill?

What was the massive cut in social services around 1964 that sent crime skyrocketing across the country?
The welfare reform act of 1996 didn't actually cut services so much as it changed the system under which those services were disbursed, and combined with the Earned Income Credit and a booming economy, the situation was such that there was no increase in crime. You do have a point--I neglected one other factor when making that correlation between cuts in social services and crime rates--the economy. When the economy is healthy and the unemployment rate is around 3% (what most economists consider full employment), then you can also see a drop in crime rates. When an economy does badly and social services are cut at the same time, though, you can bet the farm that crime rates will go up, and probably go up drastically.