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The following links are irrelevant...do not look at them. :cool:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/images/cover/2004/t1cover_0802b.jpg

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/images/cover/2004/t1cover_0628.jpg

He cheats by..... getting photographed?

He cheats by..... getting photographed?The pics are just decorative

He cheats by..... getting photographed?

Holy shit! I've been living a lie my whole life and I've never realized it until now!

Ah. I see.

So you are just tossing it out as question without any foundation and hoping that others decide to make something of it?


Well, carry on then....

:rolleyes:

I don't think he cheats...that much. Not any more than the average cyclist in the Tour anyway.

What I heard his big advantage was...was that his heart was larger than average and only beat 35-40 times a minute, meaning he had more endurance than his competitors. That's why he kicks everyone else's asses in the mountains. Unfair advantage, maybe, but you use what you have, and he uses it well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/images/cover/2004/t1cover_0802b.jpg

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/images/cover/2004/t1cover_0628.jpg
I don't get it. Are you retarded? That would make a lot of sense.

wouldn't be to supriced if he got cought. But I can't say any of the two options in the poll so I wont cast a vote.

Ah. I see.

So you are just tossing it out as question without any foundation and hoping that others decide to make something of it?
Some people dont have a clue what am I talking about....
Honestly Zepp...I did not expect to find you in that category.

Some people dont have a clue what am I talking about....
Wrong. No-one knows what you're talking about.

I don't get it. Are you retarded? That would make a lot of sense.
New Foxxinnia on the other hand...yes I did expect him in that category

I don't think he cheats...that much. Not any more than the average cyclist in the Tour anyway.

What I heard his big advantage was...was that his heart was larger than average and only beat 35-40 times a minute, meaning he had more endurance than his competitors. That's why he kicks everyone else's asses in the mountains. Unfair advantage, maybe, but you use what you have, and he uses it well.
a Larger Hearth is a "Natural" Advange...THAT It is not Cheating

Some people dont have a clue what am I talking about....
Honestly Zepp...I did not expect to find you in that category.

I know that there have been rumors all of which fell pretty flat. And you cant win the Tour as he has without some sour grapes and people thinking "well - he MUST be on drugs"

The main thing I think he has is mental stamina. I saw him interviewed where he described his cancer treatment as the most painful thing he ever went through in his life. It gave him a benchmark where he can push through pain others seem unable to because he knows he can take it (and worse) and survive.

And the ability to endure pain is the hallmark of all great endurance atheletes.


The fact that you made a poll, put no foundation around it, and then decorated it with two pictures that said diddly just seemed an odd way to try and start a discussion - that's all.

Oh yes, and the wording of the poll "only the others cheated" seemed like an unsubstantiated smear on ALL cyclists - which struck me as being unneccesarily provocative.

a Larger Hearth is a "Natural" Advange...THAT It is not CheatingHe never said it was cheating.

dp

Okay think about this...he survived Cancer, do you think he would poison his body with steroids?

Okay think about this...he survived Cancer, do you think he would poison his body with steroids?
what I want to know Is.....what do YOU think?

Im not your average kind of Player :D
Neither am I, but I'm not retarded.

IThe fact that you made a poll, put no foundation around it, and then decorated it with two pictures that said diddly just seemed an odd way to try and start a discussion - that's all.Im not your average kind of Player :D
You are not a newbee...you should know that

How the hell did you get 5 minutes between double posts?

Armstrongs training regimen is so outrageous and meticulous there is no way someone could beat him. His attention to detail makes any other world class athlete look retarded. The man measures every gram of food and knows every value of every morsel he eats when he is training. If any other rider would do what he does they might have a chance. Plus his team is so geared for Lance to win, you would have to take out a few riders during the race to have a chance. I see Armstrong winning 2 more until his body finally can't take it anymore. :cool:

maybe.

I can't honestly say I know that he is or he isn't, however until there is some type of evidence that he is, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't. Although I didn't take your poll because you didn't have an option for "I Don't Know"

His attention to detail makes any other world class athlete look retarded. WOW....double WOW

I can't honestly say I know that he is or he isn't........... I didn't take your poll because you didn't have an option for "I Don't Know"LOL...that why I cant vote either...
looking at the Italian News-sites... It looks like he cheated...but i cant say 100%

LOL...that why I cant vote either...
looking at the Italian News-sites... It looks like he cheated...but i cant say 100%Italian news-site?
You talking about this place?
Revoulutionsz news. (www.connects.org.uk/)

Italian news-site?
You talking about this place?
Revoulutionsz news. (www.connects.org.uk/)LOL....
now....do you know I am talking about?

LOL....
now....do you know I am talking about?No...

This thread is so confusing, call me stupid, but what exactly am I looking for in those pictures?

This thread is so confusing, call me stupid, but what exactly am I looking for in those pictures?
The Pictures are there to confuse you :D

...and To keep NewFoxxinnia coming back for more

I can't honestly say I know that he is or he isn't, however until there is some type of evidence that he is, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't. Although I didn't take your poll because you didn't have an option for "I Don't Know"

I don't know what evidence there is! He took a drug test and it came back negative. In reality, only 2 was found with performence enhancing drugs and they were belgans.

As for cheating, don't think so.

The Pictures are there to confuse you :D

...and To keep NewFoxxinnia coming back for morehttp://www.redomen.com/img/gif/gruff.gif

....He took a drug test and it came back negative....If that was all there was to it...I would not have even bothered posting a POLL....

try google...keywords Armstrong + Ferrari

If that was all there was to it...I would not have even bothered posting a POLL....

try google...keywords Armstrong + Ferrari

HAHA!! Are you from France or Europe and hate that an American has won the event the last six years?

Lance is one of the best cyclers out there. I don't think he would dishonor the sport he loves by cheating. He believes in sportsmanship and to cheat would violate that!

Lance is one of the best cyclers out there.!Yes...I could strech that...and say "He is maybe the Best"...Natural or not...

The way I see it...Today...Most athetes need to "get-level-with-the-competition"....
It is just that they are forced to do it underground...and shamed if they get caugh...

HAHA!! Are you from France or EuropeFrenchmen just do not win le tour de France....and no I am not either French or Euro.

The Pictures are there to confuse you :D

...and To keep NewFoxxinnia coming back for more

Ohhhh.....I get it. :confused:

Well, being as I am from Lance's hometown...Austin, Texas...where he is virtually a GOD...I couldn't pass this one by.

First, I didn't vote in the poll at all, because to accuse or suggest that ANYONE cheated, with no hard evidence is slanderous. There was no choice for NO ONE CHEATED. Because that's what I woulda picked.

Now, I know it's popular for the bitter runners up and so on to go ahead an make themselves feel better by accusing Lance of cheating, but, every time they have random-tested him, he came up clean. So if he DID cheat...and I don't think he did...then he's DAMN GOOD at hiding it!

Furthermore, I have this to say, on the subject of Lance: At age 25, he was all but left for dead with not only testicular cancer, but ALSO lung and BRAIN cancer! It's true! Against all odds, this man beat cancer, and has come back to win a record six straight Tour de France's. I know that must make French...and fans of other cyclists really pissed off, but I truly believe Lance did it the all-natural way.

BUT...if he used some performance-enhancing drugs during his rehabilitation I would not hold that against him...after all, no one seems to mind that he was subjected to all manner of performance-DEBILITATING drugs during his chemotherapy treatments for cancer.

Performance-enhancing, bad...performance-debilitating, well, who gives a shit, right?

As I say, I'd not hold it against him if it was later found that, in the early days of his recovery, he'd used some perfomance-enhancing drugs to overcome the performance-debilitating drugs of chemo that he was subjected to. so long as he never used them to hellp himself in ACTUAL COMPETITION...and so long as he stopped using them once he'd overcome the debilitating effects of the chemo. Assuming he EVER used performance-enhancing drugs at all...and, again, I don't think he did...what you are looking at, in Lance...is a guy with true guts and true heart and determination...who overcame all the odds just beating his cancer...let ALONE then going on to win six Tour de France's.

Then again, being an Austinite...I may be somewhat biased in my view of Lance, since he's a hometown hero here.

But it REALLY PISSES ME OFF when anyone even suggests that Lance used performance-enhancing drugs, especially since there's no proof he ever did!

I am sorry, but goddamn it that really pisses me off! Lance is just an incredible human being and a super-wonderful guy. I know, I've met him personally...and more than once! And why not, since he and I live in the same town!

I stand in awe of what Lance has accomplished...even without the cancer, he has accomplished what no man before him ever has...and when you throw the cancer in on top of it...well, damn, what can I say but that this is a man to be admired for his guts and determination...he's an inspiration to many people, not just here in Austin, but worldwide!

And, again....if...just if...in the early days of his own rehabilitation, he used a few performance-enhancing drugs to counter the effects of the performance-debilitating chemo he went through, I'd not hold it against him...so long, as I said...that he used it ONLY to rebuild himself back up...and then stopped using them...and NEVER used them to gain a competitive advantage in any sanctioned...or non-sanctioned race.

How can you not admire someone with the guts and determination and the will...to not only defeat cancer that left him all but dead...even his doctors had told him he'd likely DIE...and he said, hell no, I'm NOT going to die!! And then to not only defeat what all odds said was an unbeatable cancer...but to also go on to win SIX Tour de France's....I mean...how can you not admire a man with the drive, determination, and guts that made it possible?

LOL...that why I cant vote either...
looking at the Italian News-sites... It looks like he cheated...but i cant say 100%
Really?
Well, this is hardly surprising that the Italian press would accuse him of this...typical sour grapes...you DO realize that this year's runner-up was Basso...who is something of a national hero in Italy, since he's FROM Italy....

The Lance Armstrong discussion reminded me of one of David Letterman's top ten lists.

Top Ten Signs that Lance Armstrong is getting cocky:

10. Race starts at 9, Lance rolls out of bed around noon
9. Has already figured out the trophy can hold a 3-gallon margarita
8. He eats frosting by the fistful
7. For the last leg, he rode one of those crazy 1920s bikes with the big front wheel.
6. Deliberately crashing into things to get more air time on SportsCenter.
5. Making a couple extra bucks delivering pizzas during the race.
4. After the starter pistol is fired, he hangs around hitting on French babes.
3. Turns to the other drivers and says, "Ooooh, I'm soooo scared!"
2. Instead of training, he spent last 2 months pimping his bike.
1. Has started selling ad space on his ass.

First, I didn't vote in the poll at all, because to accuse or suggest that ANYONE cheated, with no hard evidence is slanderous.
Hard Evidence???...This is not a Court-of-Justice...This is a BOARD POLL...so go ahead...say what you THINK happened...

You think he didnt Cheat? Click on the First option...Just do it...give your 2 cents..

After reading the google hits...Im thinking he did...so I will vote that way...

Hard Evidence???...This is not a Court-of-Justice...This is a BOARD POLL...so go ahead...say what you THINK happened...

You think he didnt Cheat? Click on the First option...Just do it...give your 2 cents..

After reading the google hits...Im thinking he did...so I will vote that way...

I don't think he cheated. I think the accusers are simply ticked off that he's won again.

As was said before here, the typical sore-losers are whining again.

... I truly believe Lance did it the all-natural way.....

BUT...if he used some performance-enhancing drugs during his rehabilitation I would not hold that against him....

... As I say, I'd not hold it against him if it was later found that, in the early days of his recovery, he'd used some perfomance-enhancing drugs ...

... Assuming he EVER used performance-enhancing drugs at all...and, again, I don't think he did....

...But it REALLY PISSES ME OFF when anyone even suggests that Lance used performance-enhancing drugs...

... And, again....if...just if...in the early days of his own rehabilitation, he used a few performance-enhancing drugs ...

Are you an Austinite or something? :D

Does that mean I'm a cheater because I've had lots of pictures taken of me? Cool! :p

Hard Evidence???...This is not a Court-of-Justice...This is a BOARD POLL...so go ahead...say what you THINK happened...

You think he didnt Cheat? Click on the First option...Just do it...give your 2 cents..

After reading the google hits...Im thinking he did...so I will vote that way...

Problem with option one is...I DON'T think everyone else...or anyone else...cheated.

Problem with option one is...I DON'T think everyone else...or anyone else...cheated.

Well here's a news Flash! TWO Belgans tested positive for performance enhancing drugs whereas Lance did not so technically, those two did cheat but it didn't help them at all.

Are you an Austinite or something? :D
Actually, yes!
I believe I stated so in my post if you'd read the whole thing. I as much admitted I might have some bias, since I am an Austinite. but, still...unless there is some HARD EVIDENCE that Lance cheated, I see all this "Lance cheated" stuff as nothing but the sour grapes of sore losers...who cannot admit that they just don't measure up to Lance.
Much more comforting to claim someone better than you cheated...than to admit they are better than you, isn't it?

Oh, and just in case anyone missed it before...

I AM AN AUSTINITE...YES!! AND VERY PROUD TO BE FROM AMERICA'S GREATEST CITY, AUSTIN, TEXAS!!

Oh, and if ya don't believe me...ask Max Barry. I attended his book signing in Austin, Texas. He signed my book, To:Labrador...Nation states Legend.

I find it difficult to believe Max woulda forgotten meeting me, trust me....

Actually, yes!
I believe I stated so in my post if you'd read the whole thing.
I did read your whole post...so my reply was my dark humor....I never knew the word "Austinite" before reading your post .... funny word indeed :D

Sorry but I didn't the others posts.

HE CHEATED !
All the participants of this race are drugged.
:( :(

Sorry but I didn't the others posts.

HE CHEATED !
All the participants of this race are drugged.
:( :(


wrong. simply wrong.

ALL are drug tested. NONE are like you or me- they're world class athletes who train year round. At least 15 guys start the tour and don't finish every year- and they're PROFESSIONALS.

some riders cheat- but only rarely are they winners, ala David Millar. Unlike most of the Tour riders, Lance HAS taken some blood boosters.. but unlike all other members of the pro peloton, he had CANCER. Lance took drugs to keep him alive.

Now he's healthy, and has never failed a drug test. He's never been seriously linked to any athlete who's tested positive. He is quite possibly the most tested athlete on earth.. you need to realize he's tested at least 20 times during the year, and even more during competition. The top 8 riders are usually tested daily, the stage winner is tested every time, and other riders are tested randomly. These guys are getting blood drawn and pissing in cups more in a month than most people do in a lifetime.

The allegations of Lance Armstrong cheating caused le Tour de France officials two search his hotel room. Upon investigation, they discovered three items strictly forbidden in french athletics
1. A toothbrush
2. Soap
3. Deoderant

Further searching revealed two items the french officials had never encountered before. Further investigation revealed them to be a backbone and testicles(a testicle?)

1. i don't get why people call this thread cunfusing. it is clear as hell. just a poll with two choices and two decorative pics. the first post sais it all.

2. i will not vote on this poll, simply because i have no idea at all. one can say that he would have been caught with it if he used it, but one can also say that there are sophisticated drugs that cannot be found with the controls.

3. people say he is the greatest cyclist ever because he won 6 Tours de France. it is really amazing what he did, but you must keep in mind that Armstrong rides ONLY the Tour de France.. the rest of the year he is working towards the next one. while most other cyclists ride the whole year. for that reason i should say that Paolo Bettini is the best at the moment. he doesn't win the Tour, but he rides all big games through the year, and he does it good through the whole year.
the greatest ever is Eddy Merckx. he won five, but he could have won more if he participated more. he is also the one who won the most etappes in all his tours. plus he won most races through the year.