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They should just rename the race. Tour De France is so.... 20th Century. Like The America's Cup race got a name change after the U.S. stopped winning it back-to-back-to-back ad nauseam.

So it's time to call it Tour De Lance. :)

euh, they did not call it tour d'Indurain or de Merckx (greatest cyclist ever) in the past so why would they? US citizens forget often (deliberatly) Lances friend Eddy. Compared to him Lance is still nothing verry special.

Tour de Freedom?

;)

They should just rename the race. Tour De France is so.... 20th Century. Like The America's Cup race got a name change after the U.S. stopped winning it back-to-back-to-back ad nauseam.

So it's time to call it Tour De Lance. :)
Formula 1 is a bad name too. I suggest "Michael Schumacher German Race".

Be Strong...

Tour de Freedom?

;)

I second that! LOL

But alas, it is a Tour of France so I think it should just stay Tour de France.

They should just rename the race. Tour De France is so.... 20th Century. Like The America's Cup race got a name change after the U.S. stopped winning it back-to-back-to-back ad nauseam.

So it's time to call it Tour De Lance. :)

My brother would enjoy that, his first name is Lance. :gundge:

euh, they did not call it tour d'Indurain or de Merckx (greatest cyclist ever) in the past so why would they? US citizens forget often (deliberatly) Lances friend Eddy. Compared to him Lance is still nothing verry special.
Oh? Who else won six in a row?

*waits.*

Hmm?

*hears crickets chirp*












*looks at his watch*








Exactly. :D

Good point, but the name means "Tour of France." That's what it is. It is not a "Tour of Lance." If it was the "France Cup" or something, then your point would be more valid...

Yeah, we call it Tour de Lance, and more French will spit on him during it.

Oh? Who else won six in a row?

*waits.*

Hmm?

*hears crickets chirp*












*looks at his watch*










Exactly. :D


You can look for a long time at your watch, I don't have your time....

Since you don't know the record of Eddy Merckx it is a lost of time to explain you, just google it....

There are more competitions then the Tour the France: Giro, Vuelta; Milan- San Remo (7 times). Merckx won Giro, Tour and Vuelta in 1 summer and repeated this a few tims, something Lance never will be capable.

When I see your attitude veresus cycling, it is understandable that Lance surrounds himself whit a Belgian team since you only think about the Tour as a major competition (witch it is) because of a US winner. Since you don't know the record of Merckx, you don't know shit about cycling :mp5:

Yeah, we call it Tour de Lance, and more French will spit on him during it.


It were some Germans that shoutet at him.
Unlike the US (conservatives) the French public separates sport and politics and is able to discuss about sports withouth bringing morron Bush in it. It is a fact that the US conservatives are not able to have that sportive and fair attitude. You just did :rolleyes: :D

Cycling is not a big sport here in the US. So Lance Armstrong is an anomaly. I admire his stamina and inner strength, especially battling cancer WHILE he was competing, but he seems to get more attention OUTSIDE the US than he does here.

Cycling is not a big sport here in the US. So Lance Armstrong is an anomaly. I admire his stamina and inner strength, especially battling cancer WHILE he was competing, but he seems to get more attention OUTSIDE the US than he does here.

Every sport addept loves him here and I think he can win his seventh Tour,
nobody prepares the Tour like him. For Armstrong, preparation starts the day after the tour (as a matter of speaking) while the others continue to race a few months. That is the strength of Armstrong, just like Indurain he only focuses on the Tour and he is the best in that. For the rest: iron morale after the cancer come back.

(he stayed at Merckx house with S. Crow, the week after the Tour, they are friends and perhaps Eddy's son will leave the Quikstep team for the new Lance -Bruyneel (his sportdirector) team with Discovery channel)

Every sport addept loves him here and I think he can win his seventh Tour,
nobody prepares the Tour like him. For Armstrong preparation starts the day after the tour (as a matter of speaking) while the others contiue a few months. That is the strength of Armstrong, just like Indurain he only focuses to the Tour and he is the best in that. For the rest: iron morale after the cancer come back.

(he stayed at Merckx house with S. Crow, the weak after the Tour, they are friends and perhaps Eddy's son will leave the Quikstep team for the new Lance -Bruyneel (his sportdirector) team with Discovery channel)

I will have to take your word on that, I have no idea what you are saying...LOL My ignorance of sports...and cycling in particular, is famous in my family. Sports is just not my thing, but i have seen some programs about lance Armstrong, he is quite an individual.

Main Victories/Achievements




5 times Tour de France winner (1969-72, 1974) and 35 stage wins. Wore yellow jersey for a record 96 days.

5 times Giro d'Italia winner (1968, 1970, 1972-74) and 25 stage wins.

Vuelta a Espana winner (1973)

World Champion (1967,1971,1974)

Hour record (49.431 km, 1972-84)

3 times Paris-Nice winner (1969-71)

Tour of Switzerland (1974)

7 times Milan-San Remo winner (1966-67, 1969, 1971-72, 1975-76)

Tour of Flanders (1969,1975)

Paris-Roubaix (1968, 1970, 1973)

Liege-Bastogne-Liege (1969, 1971-73, 1975)

Amstel Gold Race (1973,1975)

Tour of Lombardy (1971-72)

Het Volk (1971,1973)

Ghent-Wevelgem (1967, 1969-70, 1973)

Fleche-Wallonne (1967, 1970, 1972, 1975)

Paris-Brussels (1973)

Henninger Turm (1971)

Grand Prix des Nations (1973)


Edouard Louis Joseph Merckx was born on 17 June 1945 in the village of Meenzel-Kiezegem, Belgium, the eldest child of Jules Merckx and Jenny Pittomvils. In August 1946 they moved into a grocers shop in Sint-Pieters-Woluwe, a suburb of Brussels.
Merckx is almost unanimously considered the world's greatest cyclist with 445 professional victories. He won the world amateur championship in 1964. Three years later he was to hold the professional title.

Eddy Merckx was voted Belgian sportsman of the year six times and on three occasions he earned the title International Sportsman. On December 15 2000 Merckx was voted Belgian sportsman of the century.

In a career spanning 17 years he was the only cyclist to win the Tour de France, Giro d'Italia, Vuelta a Espana and Tour of Switzerland. He was one of only two cyclists, along with Stephen Roche, to win the Tour de France, Giro d'Italia and world championship in the same year (1970). He was one of two cyclists (with Miguel Indurain) to take the Tour de France and the hour record in the same year. In 1969, Merckx won all three major classifications (overall, points, and King of the Mountains) of the Tour de France.

Eddy Merckx retired from the sport in May 1978 due to persistent back problems.





Merckx wins his first Milan-San Remo 1966 Merckx wins his final Milan-San Remo 1976

Merckx is almost unanimously considered the world's greatest cyclist with 445 professional victories. :cool:

Wore yellow jersey for a record 96 days.

Would have one 6 times but when he had the yellow joursey and it could not escape him anymore till Paris, a suporter hit him in the liver and Merkx fell down, all those minutes that he lost then (he was almost knock out) costed him the tour in 1975. In 1973 he did not ride it. every cyclist fan says that he would have won that one to if he had ride it (this would make 7 tours). BTW, he won every race he ride in 1973 just like in other years. That is why they call him "the cannibal"

Wore yellow jersey for a record 96 days.

Would have one 6 times but when he had the yellow joursey and it could not escape him anymore till Paris, a suporter hit him in the liver and Merkx fell down, all those minutes that he lost then (he was almost knock out) costed him the tour in 1975. In 1973 he did not ride it because he found the Giro more important that year. every cyclist fan says that he would have won that one to if he had ride it (this would make 7 tours). BTW, he won every race he ride in 1973 just like in other years. That is why they call him "the cannibal"

Very impressive. :)

Pity Lance Armstrong dopes though.....

Pity Lance Armstrong dopes though.....

Then why was his drug test negative and 2 belgans were positive? Lance is clean and we all know it! You just don't like the fact that an American has won the event 6 years in a row!

Lance is clean and we all know it!How can you know that...as a matter of fact...?

You really think that theres only 2 taking the stuff?

I mean...OJ must be innocent...because he was declared Innocent...<sarcasm>

How can you know that...as a matter of fact...?

I mean...OJ must be innocent...because he was declared Innocent...

OJ IS innocent. By definition. He wasn't proven guilty, therefore, he's innocent.

That doesn't mean he didn't do it, the jerk. Hehehe.

OJ IS innocent. By definition. He wasn't proven guilty, therefore, he's innocent.

That doesn't mean he didn't do it, the jerk. Hehehe.So you think OJ did it?

So you think OJ did it?

Let me put it this way: Are the LAPD looking for the REAL killer? ;)

sisnce you dont wanna give a direct answer...let me ask your comment about McGuirre/Sosa/Bonds...

euh, they did not call it tour d'Indurain or de Merckx (greatest cyclist ever) in the past so why would they? US citizens forget often (deliberatly) Lances friend Eddy. Compared to him Lance is still nothing verry special.
Yeah! So what's your point? Did Eddy or Miguel Or Bernard or Jaques win the Tour de Frence 6 times? No. Eddy Mercx had to attempts at six failed both times and didn't even win it five times in a row. Lance is the best and Eddy Mercx is second. That is not fair for Lance infact because that belittles what he has done. Lance is in a league of his own.

Then why was his drug test negative and 2 belgans were positive? Lance is clean and we all know it! You just don't like the fact that an American has won the event 6 years in a row!
Lance is the man! If you're just gonna wine about how your favorite cyclists didn't win, then you should get off this forum before you embarass your self more.

"Would have one 6 times but when he had the yellow joursey and it could not escape him anymore till Paris, a suporter hit him in the liver and Merkx fell down, all those minutes that he lost then (he was almost knock out) costed him the tour in 1975. In 1973 he did not ride it because he found the Giro more important that year. every cyclist fan says that he would have won that one to if he had ride it (this would make 7 tours). BTW, he won every race he ride in 1973 just like in other years. That is why they call him "the cannibal"

He got socked it the kidney! get your facts straight! I'm talking to you MR. Basil Fawalady!

sisnce you dont wanna give a direct answer...let me ask your comment about McGuirre/Sosa/Bonds...

Well, let me give you another indirect answer: Not everything that can improve performance is illegal... yet.


However, in the case of Lance, he is... well, he's a genetic freak. Heh. Much like Einstein, he was born with a little tweak to his DNA. Nobody questions Yao Ming's ability at basketball. Why? Because he's 7'5" tall! Lance's little gift is a little less noticeable than Yao's. That's all.

"The french always say, 'He's on some sort of chemicals!' It's chemotherapy, you asshole! 'Well, he has one testicle, he's aerodynamique!' "-Robin Williams.

Well, let me give you another indirect answer: Not everything that can improve performance is illegal... yet.


However, in the case of Lance, he is... well, he's a genetic freak. Heh. Much like Einstein, he was born with a little tweak to his DNA. Nobody questions Yao Ming's ability at basketball. Why? Because he's 7'5" tall! Lance's little gift is a little less noticeable than Yao's. That's all.

"The french always say, 'He's on some sort of chemicals!' It's chemotherapy, you asshole! 'Well, he has one testicle, he's aerodynamique!' "-Robin Williams.
Einsten twin? genetic Freak? Tweaked DNA? Chemotherapy? Aerodinamic Testicle?

Wow...You could work as a screen Writer...really....

Einsten twin? genetic Freak? Tweaked DNA? Chemotherapy? Aerodinamic Testicle?

Wow...You could work as a screen Writter...really....

Have you read my thread about scrotum-seeking attack weasels yet? ;)

Have you read my thread about scrotum-seeking attack weasels yet? ;)
LOL...not yet...I cant wait to read it :D

Perhaps Drugged Tour should be the name of this race.
Or Tour du doppage.

It's not a race, it's a Chemistry Contest.

LOL...not yet...I cant wait to read it :DAbout Lance...I think he is one of the greatest Athletes ever....

My question marks are more about the rules that Institutions inpose on Athletes....specially The Olympics Ruling Kings...

Pity Lance Armstrong dopes though.....

Yeah, pity, but like any great in the last 30 years, our Eddy was doped to (and busted 2 times, OK out of the big races, but it says enough).

Lances cancer on the balls was a typical cancer that can form after doping, that is why a lot of American football players to have this testical cancer (a sport in wich doping is tolerated and used by almost every player).

Anyway Lance is great, for me he is the best in the Tour, I consider 90% of the racers doped.And he is the best of the doped. Perhaps he does not use it anymore (I hope so, for his health!).

LOL...not yet...I cant wait to read it :D

Well, once you get to know me a while, you'll understand how I operate:

I take almost nothing seriously. It's a by-product of both my sense of humor, and my military experience. I'm willing to express my opinion on political matters, but I don't waste my fingers in debate. For the most part, I use my energies in entertaining people on the forum. Due to a new wife and child, however, my time has been very limited, lately. But I do what I can. :D

I have a reputation for silliness, and stories of my mischievious antics.

Then why was his drug test negative and 2 belgans were positive? Lance is clean and we all know it! You just don't like the fact that an American has won the event 6 years in a row!

Euh, like I showed, winning the Tour 6 times does not make you Eddy Merckx!Learn about the great history of cycling before you speak, even your Lance still knows (he is a friend) that Eddy is the biggest ever :rolleyes:

Lance is the man! If you're just gonna wine about how your favorite cyclists didn't win, then you should get off this forum before you embarass your self more.

Dude, I was rooting for Armstrong! He is the greatest AMERICAN cycler.

Then why was his drug test negative and 2 belgans were positive? Lance is clean and we all know it! You just don't like the fact that an American has won the event 6 years in a row!

To be honest I don't care about The Tour De France, seeing a Frenchman spit at the doping arsehole was enough for me. And its pretty obvious teh guy does dope, from the testicular cancer to do puncture holes to the testimony proves what this disgusting patriot is really like. I bet he even cried on 9/11, (crying about The Twin Towers is one thing as it is civilians but there were some people that cried when the Pentagon was hit, The Pentagon was a legitimate target.)

Yeah! So what's your point? Did Eddy or Miguel Or Bernard or Jaques win the Tour de Frence 6 times? No. Eddy Mercx had to attempts at six failed both times and didn't even win it five times in a row. Lance is the best and Eddy Mercx is second. That is not fair for Lance infact because that belittles what he has done. Lance is in a league of his own.


Back to school boy and learn and read about cycling.

1. The Tour does not make you a Eddy
2. You guys talk about spitting, Eddy was punched knock out while he had the 1975 tour in his pocket by a suporter.
3. 6 Tours does not make you the greatest like Eddy was (he won everything, Lance reaches at his knees, not above...)
4. Blind US suporter (I know Lances victories and I am a fan but I know cycling history, obviously, you don't , you must be a morron to class Lance above his friend Eddy)

Yeah, pity, but like any great in the last 30 years, our Eddy was doped to (and busted 2 times, OK out of the big races, but it says enough).

Lances cancer on the balls was a typical cancer that can form after doping, that is why a lot of American football players to have this testical cancer (a sport in wich doping is tolerated and used by almost every player).

Anyway Lance is great, for me he is the best in the Tour, I consider 90% of the racers doped.And he is the best of the doped. Perhaps he does not use it anymore (I hope so, for his health!).

If Doping gives You just a 10% advantage...You cant win withour Doping...If all of them dope....Then the winner did not cheat....and I think that is the case for Lance.

If Doping gives You just a 10% advantage...You cant win withour Doping...If all of them dope....Then the winner did not cheat....and I think that is the case for Lance and Eddy.

Can't agree more, for me the best are all doped (Eddy was, we know, and we know that Lances cancer comes from doping, just like in AM.football)

"Would have one 6 times but when he had the yellow joursey and it could not escape him anymore till Paris, a suporter hit him in the liver and Merkx fell down, all those minutes that he lost then (he was almost knock out) costed him the tour in 1975. In 1973 he did not ride it because he found the Giro more important that year. every cyclist fan says that he would have won that one to if he had ride it (this would make 7 tours). BTW, he won every race he ride in 1973 just like in other years. That is why they call him "the cannibal"

He got socked it the kidney! get your facts straight! I'm talking to you MR. Basil Fawalady!

no, the liver (but I already like you since you are aware of cycling history) :)

I am not into the sport of cycling.. about the only sport I enjoy is football. All I really know is that this is a human being that has accomplished something six times in his life when many people would be unable to do even once. What is the big problem? Is it because he is American? I really am not being sarcastic but I really don't understand the issue. If it were the Tour De United States and say for example a Chinese man would win would people be making jokes and call it the Tour De Wong?? Am I missing something??

Dude, I was rooting for Armstrong! He is the greatest AMERICAN cycler.

No doubts about that and about the performance of winning it 6 times. But some @ssholes here don't know shit about cycling and its history.(not you)

If Doping gives You just a 10% advantage...You cant win withour Doping...If all of them dope....Then the winner did not cheat....and I think that is the case for Lance.

That is what I say too :)

euh, they did not call it tour d'Indurain or de Merckx (greatest cyclist ever) in the past so why would they? US citizens forget often (deliberatly) Lances friend Eddy. Compared to him Lance is still nothing verry special.
Lance is "nothing very special"???

Armstrong became the youngest person ever to win a stahe of the Tour during his first Tour de France and (do I need to remind you) is the only person to win 6 Tour de France titles, all consecutively. Who knows how many Lance would have if it wasn't for that whole cancer thing?

Merckx is great, but to call Lance Armstrong "nothing very special" is just obsurd. I would like to see anyone on NationStates complete a Tour de France, let alone win one stage.

Lance is "nothing very special"???

Armstrong became the youngest person ever to win a stahe of the Tour during his first Tour de France and (do I need to remind you) is the only person to win 6 Tour de France titles, all consecutively. Who knows how many Lance would have if it wasn't for that whole cancer thing?

Merckx is great, but to call Lance Armstrong "nothing very special" is just obsurd. I would like to see anyone on NationStates complete a Tour de France, let alone win one stage.


The same thing (cancer) as: Who knows if Eddy was not hit by a supporter and if he had run it in 73.

He is not special compared to Merckx, that is all (read all posts before speaking please, I am a fan of Lance and I know he has good products, just like the rest)

BTW, think you mean Absurd (and my tongue is not English :) )

my fold, what is "obsurd"?

The same thing (cancer) as: Who knows if Eddy was not hit by a supporter and if he had run it in 73.

He is not special compared to Merckx, that is all (read all posts before speaking please, I am a fan of Lance and I know he has good products, just like the rest)

BTW, tink you mean Absurd (and my tongue is not English :) )

The differance between Lance and Merckx's obstacles (cancer or accident), is the fact that Lance was good before he battled cancer, he nearly died, and since he defeated cancer he has won 6 Tour de France titles, and he is not done yet. How many more Tours does Lance need to win before, in your opinion, he eclipses Merckx. Merckx was not able to over come his obstacles and win 6 straight Tour de France competitions, Lance has.

I know cycling (Tinker Juarez's autograph is my prized sports valuable), and it should be obvious to anyone that winning the most demanding sports event in the world 6 times makes someone one of the greatest ever in cycling.

Good point, but the name means "Tour of France." That's what it is. It is not a "Tour of Lance." If it was the "France Cup" or something, then your point would be more valid...

Oh get off it! It's a joke!

Lance even says that Merckx is better than him....

Merckx was not able to over come his obstacles and win 6 straight Tour de France competitions, Lance has.

It is not about winnig it straight, that can only tell how unfit the concurents where in this generation ;)



I know cycling (Tinker Juarez's autograph is my prized sports valuable), and it should be obvious to anyone that winning the most demanding sports event in the world 6 times makes someone one of the greatest ever in cycling.

He is ONE of the greatest, no doubts, but that does not give him the record of the greatest. If you know cycling so well, you must know the races that I posted as Eddys record. I just can not stand that people speak only about the Tour and not about the other legends.

The differance between Lance and Merckx's obstacles (cancer or accident), is the fact that Lance was good before he battled cancer, .

Be serious, Lance was good before cancer, but he was not a star that won important races, he was just a regular in the peloton. He only won the Worldchampionship for youngsters (if you find that important, then Eddys record surely is).

I bet he even cried on 9/11, (crying about The Twin Towers is one thing as it is civilians but there were some people that cried when the Pentagon was hit, The Pentagon was a legitimate target.)

You sir, are contemptible.

I suppose no one should cry for his father, his mother, his uncle, his aunt, his sister, his brother? His neighbor?

Perhaps only wussies cry for the innocent people on the airplane who were used as a missile.

I am so terribly sure that there are janitors and secretaries who needed killing as well.

Your attitude is disgusting.

What is the relation between 11/9 (EU way of calender) and cycling? :confused: