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Some idiots believe it is 'patriotism' (of thier candidate). Other more intelligent people believe it is delivering a good economy, good public services and low unemployment.

Patriotism is a joke. And the 'real' patriotism - standing up to your Government ('dissent is the highest form of patriotism') is dead and it has been replaced with this warped Republican view that patriotism is not questioning your Government at all but putting blind trust in Uncle Sam.

And I left out War on Terror because it is a joke. The introduction of a democratic President does not necessarily mean all the radioactive detectors and border patrols are suddenly going to be closed down. A new style of fighting that is within International Law, maybe, but that is for the good of humanity and not just The Directors at Haliburton's pocket.

Not that I disagree, but using a poll? Cheap way to get responses.

If you hold your country as something worth being proud of, then by all means, be proud of it, but don't do something as a result to desecrate the value of the object of your pride.

And the most important factor in these elections is... who you want to be the next president. Duh.

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Your POLL is missing 2 very meaningfull options.

1#the IRAQ WAR..
2#the WAR ON TERROR..

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And thus it was revealed the one known as 'Kerubia' possessed no knowledge of the charecteristic known as 'humour'.

And I meant Patriotism in the sense of people voting for a candidate based on thier 'patriotism'. Thats stupid.

Your POLL is missing a very meaningfull optiom.

the IRAQ WAR..

... Oh, I get it. You're making a political statement and saying that the Iraq war was unrelated to the War on Terror. Almost missed that, I did. ^^;

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Oh wait - you want me to laugh WITH you.

Sorry - your not funny, at all.

Some idiots believe it is 'patriotism' (of thier candidate). Other more intelligent people believe it is delivering a good economy, good public services and low unemployment.

Patriotism is a joke. And the 'real' patriotism - standing up to your Government ('dissent is the highest form of patriotism') is dead and it has been replaced with this warped Republican view that patriotism is not questioning your Government at all but putting blind trust in Uncle Sam.


I picked Patriotism - why? Because that is how many base their vote come election time. Does this mean they are wrong? No - that is just how they choice to vote. Is that how base my vote? No - again that is how I choice to vote.

But to call them idiots solely on the fact then they base their vote differently then you? That is wrong. Everyone has a right to vote the way that they choice.......

... Oh, I get it. You're making a political statement and saying that the Iraq war was unrelated to the War on Terror. Almost missed that, I did. ^^;If the POLL had at least one of those options It would be more meaningfull...

The "War on Arab 'Terrorists' " has made Bush extrmely popular with 50%(I mean they thing he is a Saint) of the American Population...The very same war has made him a "chimp" with the other 50%(they say he is Evil)

regarding the Elections...what other "factor" is more important?

This is a tough one.

I pick patriotism though, because with that, the candidate is most likely to do what is best for America. If it involves making friends with everyone, go for it. If it doesn't, then to hell with the rest of the world.

I pick patriotism though, because with that, the candidate is most likely to do what is best for America. Actually...what HE THINKS is best for America.

what is "best-for-Amerika"...Is not the same from the perspective of a Dem. or a Repub. Candidate

Patriotism.

All the Republicans have to do is play the Patriots Support Bush card to win the election.

Though, the economy, too. All candidates have to promise dangerously low taxes and bazillions of magically appearing new jobs to get voted by the apathetic populace.

All Bush ahs to do is sing that awful stupid crappy song 'oh say can you sing?' and he will win because all of the populace will go 'HES A PATRIOT!!!!!! JUST LIKE THAT FILM I SAW WHEN WE ONE THE VIETNAM WAR AND BEAT THE COMMIES!!@$!%!#%!#%'.

Socialism or death.

... Oh, I get it. You're making a political statement and saying that the Iraq war was unrelated to the War on Terror. Almost missed that, I did. ^^;

Well the Iraq war didn't have any thing to do with 9/11, so I think Revolutionsz made a valid statement.

Actually...what HE THINKS is best for America.

what is "best-for-Amerika"...Is not the same from the perspective of a Dem. or a Repub. Candidate

Ahh, yes you're correct. Should've put that in my post.

Patriotism:Down with the overly-"patriotic" people who scream at you if you even HINT that there's something wrong with their country. True patriots(people who can actually *accept* that there's something wrong with their country AND want to *fix* it) are fine.
The Economy:In short, somebody who'd do the opposite of what Bush did in this area?(raising taxes for the rich comes to mind. The rich don't need more money, and the tax dolalrs could be put to go use ie. paying off the debt) I'm for it.
Public Services:A must. We need somebody in office who actualy gives a s*** about health care, education, etc.
Strong Military:NO. The less money wasted on the military, the better.
Respected Abroad:Eh...if he does well in other areas, this would come along with them soooooo....

Strong Military:N.O. The less money wasted on the military, the better.


I think that a strong military is awesome, and I support money spent on it.

Just stating my opinion.

17% of Americans are stupid. Thats less than I expected.

And the 'real' patriotism - standing up to your Government ('dissent is the highest form of patriotism') is dead and it has been replaced with this warped Republican view that patriotism is not questioning your Government at all but putting blind trust in Uncle Sam.

By that definition, I'm a 'real' patriot.

Well the Iraq war didn't have any thing to do with 9/11, so I think Revolutionsz made a valid statement.

That was actually a genuine correction on my part. I was about to tell him that the War on Terror was deliberately not entered into the poll like NWV explained, but the subtlty only hit me after a second read over.

And that's much trueness. Although the reason given was that Saddam was holding weapons that could be used for terrorist purposes, regardless of actual intention or outcome. But let's not bog this topic up with that again.

Vote as you will, folks.

17% of Americans are stupid. Thats less than I expected.

Better watch the flames, Nazi. A lot of people won't tolerate them, and I'm sure at least one of them will be the mods.

17% of Americans are stupid. Thats less than I expected.


The stupid is your opinion..... Hate to tell you this, but not everyone sees Patriots as stupid. We just have different definitions of stupid and being a patriot.

Whoever posted about the definition of a patriot being one who likes their country and still wants to help fix its problems is more my way of thinking of a patriot as well.

Patriotism:Down with the overly-"patriotic" people who scream at you if you even HINT that there's something wrong with their country. True patriots(people who can actually *accept* that there's something wrong with their country AND want to *fix* it) are fine.
The Economy:In short, somebody who'd do the opposite of what Bush did in this area?(raising taxes for the rich comes to mind. The rich don't need more money, and the tax dolalrs could be put to go use ie. paying off the debt) I'm for it.
Public Services:A must. We need somebody in office who actualy gives a s*** about health care, education, etc.
Strong Military:NO. The less money wasted on the military, the better.
Respected Abroad:Eh...if he does well in other areas, this would come along with them soooooo....

Economy - the top 50% of tax payers pay 90% of our taxes. Doesnt seem very fair to me. Not to mention all the good things that happened in this economy that no one looks at.( Highest GDP in 20 years, lowest inflation, highest homeownership)
Public services - this is why kerry is upset bush is spending 3 times as much federal spending on education as clinton did. O yeah and kerry never voted for that resolution....
Strong Military - remember Greece, yeah the yhad no good military and look what happened to them.
Respected abroad - As long as were america were only going to be respected in a limited way, because the entire world has been hatin on us cuz were pimp.

And I left out War on Terror because it is a joke. The introduction of a democratic President does not necessarily mean all the radioactive detectors and border patrols are suddenly going to be closed down. A new style of fighting that is within International Law, maybe, but that is for the good of humanity and not just The Directors at Haliburton's pocket.
You left it out because you didn't like it? Why don't you just vote for everyone while you're at it. It'll save all of us a lot of time.

Question to Kerry if he becomes the president:
Mr. President, how does it feel to be the first president of the US, elected not on what you stand for or your own merits, but mainly on the grounds that you are not the other guy?

The most important factor is now fear.

Mr Kerry's reply: "Reassuring. Shows the public of this country will get rid of a dickhead when they see one"

As for the economy, I wish people would back what they say up with some sort of source (nice alliteration if I may say so myself"

By that definition, I'm a 'real' patriot.

Thats good then, these so called 'patriots' like Bush don't give a shit about the people living in squalor in thier own country and how much respect thier country has abroad.

Who were the real patriots in '67? The Veterans who were sick and tired of the death and destruction thier Military was causing, and the casualties of thier own side - those veterans who marched in thier hundreds of thousands? Or George Bush the rich boys son - who sends people off to thier deaths, and causing deaths without even flinching.

Anyone who considers Bush a patriot probably considered LBJ one as well.

I base my vote all of the characteristics. But one that should be up there is willing to take the risk when there is a majority against it for the better of the country.