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Torn between FDR, Jimmy Carter and Kennedy.

I picked Cleveland.

BTW, is JFK John F. Kennedy or John Forbes Kerry?

BTW, is JFK John F. Kennedy or John Forbes Kerry?

Kennedy. Kerry doesn't count 'cause he hasn't been elected.

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Kennedy. Kerry doesn't count 'cause he hasn't been elected.
Yeah but, its only a matter of time.

True, true.

Who the hell would vote for Clinton?

Who the hell would vote for Clinton?

New Genoa and The Zoogie People, apparently.

eheh, yeah. clinton was a trip... but i liked FDR, but i had to side with JFK.

1- FDR
2- JFK
3- Carter

I agree Kennedy is the best. Why Teddy was smart enough to have everyone believe it was his brothers.

FDR seems to be popular...

New Genoa and The Zoogie People, apparently.

Aw, how'd you guess?

I don't know too much about Clinton and was too young back then to form a good opinion on the Monica Lewinsky scandal...but on account of his policies, from his speeches...he sounded pretty conservative to me. He's also a great speaker...so he has my vote.

Aw, how'd you guess?

I don't know too much about Clinton and was too young back then to form a good opinion on the Monica Lewinsky scandal...but on account of his policies, from his speeches...he sounded pretty conservative to me. He's also a great speaker...so he has my vote.

Click on the numbers in the poll. You can see who voted and which choice they picked.

FDR all the way. He pulled the country out of the depression
Plus he lead the U.S. through the most devastating wat in World History.

I chose Harry Truman. The Best democrat president this country never had was Henry "Scoop" Jackson. Same goes for Zell Miller. Would have voted for JFK because he too was a supply side tax cutter and was supposed to be a "Cold Warrior" but he was a bit too weak on foreign policy. At least we got through it okay.

Aw, how'd you guess?

I don't know too much about Clinton and was too young back then to form a good opinion on the Monica Lewinsky scandal...but on account of his policies, from his speeches...he sounded pretty conservative to me. He's also a great speaker...so he has my vote.

Um, yeah. I was young during his presidency to be listening to his speeches. However, the other month I saw a documentary about Rwanda. Knowing around 70 thousand peaceful people had been slaughtered in a matter of days, and that he and other world government could have done something to stop it, his selling point was basically I'm not going to do jack because "It's not in the economic interest of the united states" to take any action in the matter. And so in the following months 800,000 people died. And somehow, he still managed to get reelected, and remembered as some kind of great human rights fellow.

Grover Cleveland !? :eek:

If JFK had lived longer, I think his greatness would have shone over all choices.

FDR, who turned the USA around. He certainly was popular to the electorate.

Grover Cleveland !? :eek:

What's wrong with that?

Roosevelt was definatly the best. I mean, how cool do you have to be to lead the nation through both the great depression and WWII and be elected to four consecutive terms!

I have to ask a question. What did carter do?

I have to ask a question. What did carter do?

Flush our economy down the toilet, gut our military, make us look like a joke to the rest of the world (especially during the hostage crisis), betray several allies, increase the already enormous government even more, and give away our canal.

:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: CURSE YOU, CARTER!!!!!!!!!! :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:

FDR and many of these guys are popular and well liked and considered to have been succeses but I strongly disagree. I can't vote for the no democrat is a good one choice because up till oh till grover cleveland was the last great democrat if you ask me one of my favorite democrats if not the fave. Before him unlike after democrats were the good guys they unlike republicans for instance were free traders. Grover was a big free trader and anti union guy if I am not mistaken. he gets my vote, screw the rest.

Harry Truman.

FDR wasted too much time going the wrong way (Socialism) to try to get us out of the depression. Kennedy had too short a term although he was decent.

I've gotta go with FDR. But second is a tough choice between Truman and Wilson. Hmm, so I'll go with the one that was able to execute more of his post-war policies. Which means Truman takes second. Wilson will get third.

I'm going to vote within my lifetime. I don't know enough about anyone else.

yep thats what carter did. As for FDR he made the depression worst with his new deal and such he only prolonged the disaster which hoover created not coolidge! He also greatly expanded government size and the welfare state etc. basically he further screwed up our nation. Clinton- way overated and really did a mediocre if not shitty job.

I can't believe people are choosing Truman especially on this day, happy hiroshima day! whee! Bomb innocent civilians, he didn;'t do much else either.

Anyone else have those books you know with small biographies a few pages or so long of each president? I just busted out two of them and had a look. heh.

Yep I am one of the few who says cleveland

Flush our economy down the toilet, gut our military, make us look like a joke to the rest of the world (especially during the hostage crisis), betray several allies, increase the already enormous government even more, and give away our canal.

:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: CURSE YOU, CARTER!!!!!!!!!! :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:


:( I was kindov looking for a lib veiw of things.

:( I was kindov looking for a lib veiw of things.
He gave us good gas mileage.

yep thats what carter did. As for FDR he made the depression worst with his new deal and such he only prolonged the disaster which hoover created not coolidge! He also greatly expanded government size and the welfare state etc. basically he further screwed up our nation. Clinton- way overated and really did a mediocre if not shitty job.

I can't believe people are choosing Truman especially on this day, happy hiroshima day! whee! Bomb innocent civilians, he didn;'t do much else either.

Anyone else have those books you know with small biographies a few pages or so long of each president? I just busted out two of them and had a look. heh.

Yep I am one of the few who says cleveland

Ah, a man of good taste! :D

FDR seems to be popular...

Ever since I went to D.C. and saw the memorial, I love him. "I hate war." The best quote ever, as simplistic as it is.

Ever since I went to D.C. and saw the memorial, I love him. "I hate war." The best quote ever, as simplistic as it is.

Of course, though, he didn't mean it...

He was an extremely pro-war President.

Um, yeah. I was young during his presidency to be listening to his speeches. However, the other month I saw a documentary about Rwanda. Knowing around 70 thousand peaceful people had been slaughtered in a matter of days, and that he and other world government could have done something to stop it, his selling point was basically I'm not going to do jack because "It's not in the economic interest of the united states" to take any action in the matter. And so in the following months 800,000 people died. And somehow, he still managed to get reelected, and remembered as some kind of great human rights fellow.

Slaughtered by who? It is not the job of the United States to police the f'in world.

I went with Kennedy but Trumann and FDR were options

Slaughtered by who? It is not the job of the United States to police the f'in world.

Agreed!

Not only is FDR the best Democrat Pres. but he is the best President ever.

anyhow...are we forgetting Thomas Jefferson?
he started the democratic party...and he's one of th best presidents ever....read thefederalist papers.....too many people w/ shot memories out there....also Jefferson Davis was a hell of a pres, too :p
but i'd have to say thomas jefferson....bottom line

I voted FDR at first because the way he managed to turn us out of the Great Depression was admirable, but what about the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII? That's a big civil rights problem if you ask me. I'm thinking about it more and more, and I really can't find "the best president". They all have their good and bad points.

Jefferson DavisReal shame he was president of the Confederate States of America. ;)

anyhow...are we forgetting Thomas Jefferson?
he started the democratic party...and he's one of th best presidents ever....read thefederalist papers.....too many people w/ shot memories out there....also Jefferson Davis was a hell of a pres, too :p
but i'd have to say thomas jefferson....bottom line

I was talking about Democrats when I started this poll, not Democratic-Republicans, otherwise Jefferson would have definitely been on the list.

How about Truman? Wasn't he the president during the Korean war, you know, the one where McArthur wanted to nuke China? He wouldn't let him expand the war against China even though the Chinese were pouring their army down the Korean Peninsular faster than they could be mown down. If he'd have let McArthur do it, then it would have been World War 3, although I doubt as to how long it would have lasted given a nuclear America and (I don't think) anyone else with any similar strike capabilities.

Who the hell would vote for Clinton?Yours truly...why?

Click on the numbers in the poll. You can see who voted and which choice they picked.Click on the CLINTON numbers...and you are going to see MY name...
Monica Lewinsky? ...maybe he is too horny...who Knows?....
...either way I dont care....

He was the Best President Ever...in Both Economy and World Politics

FDR wasted too much time going the wrong way (Socialism) to try to get us out of the depression.
LOL, it's always so funny when Americans bring up FDR's "socialism"... just goes to show how right-wing America is, because FDR wasn't anywhere near any kind of "socialism". By the standards of the rest of the world, FDR was just a mild center-left guy.

LOL, it's always so funny when Americans bring up FDR's "socialism"... just goes to show how right-wing America is, because FDR wasn't anywhere near any kind of "socialism". By the standards of the rest of the world, FDR was just a mild center-left guy.

Yes, he was.

Much as I like Clinton, I couldn't vote for him in this poll. Not because he wasn't a great president--just because when it comes down to it, he didn't have to face the same kinds of challenges that FDR and JFK had to.

FDR gets my vote because he dealt with 2 major crises--the Depression and WWII. Whether or not you agree with how he dealt with those two crises, the fact remains that he dealt with them, and we came out the other side stronger than we had been when he was first elected.

JFK would get my second vote because of the way he dealt with one crisis--the Cuban Missile Crisis. The more I read about that period, the more it scares me to think of how close we actually came to full-on nuclear war. I'd likely never have been born if that had happened. But he managed to defuse the crisis, and we don't have to live with the after-effects of nuclear war.

Clinton was great in his time, but the time didn't demand the extraordinary of him--it demanded extreme patience and competence, and he had both in spades, but he was never tested like FDR and JFK were.

Much as I like Clinton, I couldn't vote for him in this poll. Not because he wasn't a great president--just because when it comes down to it, he didn't have to face the same kinds of challenges that FDR and JFK had to.

FDR gets my vote because he dealt with 2 major crises--the Depression and WWII. Whether or not you agree with how he dealt with those two crises, the fact remains that he dealt with them, and we came out the other side stronger than we had been when he was first elected.

JFK would get my second vote because of the way he dealt with one crisis--the Cuban Missile Crisis. The more I read about that period, the more it scares me to think of how close we actually came to full-on nuclear war. I'd likely never have been born if that had happened. But he managed to defuse the crisis, and we don't have to live with the after-effects of nuclear war.

Clinton was great in his time, but the time didn't demand the extraordinary of him--it demanded extreme patience and competence, and he had both in spades, but he was never tested like FDR and JFK were.

I don't agree, but very well put! :)

FDR was worse than a socialist, FDR was a fascist. He was on a much more minor scale than the more notorious facists of his day, but when it comes down to it he still was one. I find it repulsive to see that he is the leading vote getter for best democratic president. I can only hope that people are incredibly ignorant of what he actually did, and are guillible enough to believe the lies fed to us by supposed historians and other institutes of media. If it isn't ignorance and is instead praise for his actions, I can only pray that this board does not reflect the views of the American public.

Also I cannot understand that both Bill Clinton and JFK are other leading voter getters. It is amazing how the media can create a legacy for President who did not truly do much of anything that was signifigant.

By the way I voted for Cleveland.

FDR was a fascist.
Riiiiiiiiiiight... now all we need is someone telling us how FDR was an evil alien from the planet Graskhrt. :rolleyes:

He was on a much more minor scale than the more notorious facists of his day...
Oh, you mean the ones he fought against, liberating the countries they enslaved?

OF--you obviously have no idea what it means to be a fascist if you're calling FDR one.

To be honest, I loved Clinton. Dun give a damn what he did in his personal life.

FDR is the best, hands down, president in the last 100 years...not only democrat. This is a republican speaking, by the way.

Also, someone tell me what JFK actually did? He's well-known for being "attractive" and getting shot. Take a history class...he's not important at all. Anyone would have handled the missile crisis the same way. How 'bout bay of pigs?

Also, someone tell me what JFK actually did? He did Marilyn Monroe...better than doing Monica Lewinsky...

So he is better on the "mojo" depertment... :D

What is fascism if you do not consider FDR's policies in accordance with that idea of government?

The defintion of fascism is a government that does not control the means of production but instead issues quotas or orders for private individuals/firms to fill.

FDR did just that during the Great Depression.
That is on just economic terms how FDR was a fascist.

FDR is also the closest we had to a dictator. He did not step down and follow the precedent of serving only two terms. Instead he stayed till his death, he would have never left the office under his own power.

He tried to and did change the US government by overstepping his bounds and abusing his power through the attempted packing of the Supreme Court. He similarly threatened them in order to get his unconstitutional New Deal acts passed.

Let us also not forget his interment of Japanese Americans, since camps marked by a concentration of people usually are seen hand in ahnd with fascism.

If I am incorrect in any of this, please notify me.

What is fascism if you do not consider FDR's policies in accordance with that idea of government?

The defintion of fascism is a government that does not control the means of production but instead issues quotas or orders for private individuals/firms to fill.

FDR did just that during the Great Depression.
That is on just economic terms how FDR was a fascist.

FDR is also the closest we had to a dictator. He did not step down and follow the precedent of serving only two terms. Instead he stayed till his death, he would have never left the office under his own power.

He tried to and did change the US government by overstepping his bounds and abusing his power through the attempted packing of the Supreme Court. He similarly threatened them in order to get his unconstitutional New Deal acts passed.

Let us also not forget his interment of Japanese Americans, since camps marked by a concentration of people usually are seen hand in ahnd with fascism.

If I am incorrect in any of this, please notify me.

Agreed! Although, I think FDR is closer to a communist than a fascist, but that's just me.

Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality -- J. W. Aldridge>

There is much more to facism...

By the way I voted for Cleveland.

Ah, another man of good taste, eh? ;)

There is much more to facism...

Well, that describes FDR in a nutshell! Your dictionary definition, I mean.

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I went with JFK on this one, his spirit brought out the best in everyone - both parties, included.