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Anyone want to share their thoughts?

It would have to be Lincoln or Roosevelt.

I picked Coolidge.

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Anyone? :(

I picked Coolidge.

Why Coolidge? I picked Lincoln because when I joined the Republican party, I thought those ideals were the one's the espoused. Boy was I wrong about that.

Why Coolidge? I picked Lincoln because when I joined the Republican party, I thought those ideals were the one's the espoused. Boy was I wrong about that.

Coolidge because he believed in laissez faire (which I probably spelled wrong...), limited government, morality, traditional values, non-interventionism in business' affairs, low taxes, etc.

I picked Lincoln because when I joined the Republican party, I thought those ideals were the one's the espoused. Boy was I wrong about that.

Not really. Both Lincoln and G.W. Bush are big government, warmongering, anti-American tyrants.

I picked Coolidge.

Calvin Coolidge was weaned on a pickle!

Seriously! I learned that in my American History class in high school. That's what they used to say about him in his time =)

Eisenhower, not so much for what he did, but for how he led our country during perhaps its best decade ever.

Eisenhower, not so much for what he did, but for how he led our country during perhaps its best decade ever.

I used to like Eisenhower. But...not anymore.

Not really. Both Lincoln and G.W. Bush are big government, warmongering, anti-American tyrants.

Um...okay.

i'm tempted to say roosevelt, because his split from the republican party is part of what created the political realignment a bit later. makes him interesting at the very least.

even if he did think people like me should be hunted down and deported or shot.

while lincoln freed a few million slaves reagan's policies freed hundreds of millions from the false philosphy of communism which has caused many more deaths then nazism did. thank god we had lincoln to free the slaves, roosevelt to fight the nazis, and reagan to stop the spread of communism.

Um...okay.

Um...okay, what?

even if he did think people like me should be hunted down and deported or shot.

What kind of people?

Um...okay, what?

Just okay. That's your opinion, I don't agree with it and as I just got back from having drinks with some friends I don't feel like putting the time into debating it. Sorry. I'm not really helping your thread much. :)

Just okay. That's your opinion, I don't agree with it and as I just got back from having drinks with some friends I don't feel like putting the time into debating it. Sorry. I'm not really helping your thread much. :)

Hm...all right. But read, for example, 'The Real Lincoln.'

I picked Eisenhower for one reason and one reason only, June 6th 1944. He lead the allies on D-Day which was the beginning of the end for Hitler.

I picked Eisenhower for one reason and one reason only, June 6th 1944. He lead the allies on D-Day which was the beginning of the end for Hitler.

Fair enough.

Anyone? :(


I picked Mr. Lincoln for the simple fact that he held his party together in the time of greatest need and led the North to a Victory over the Southern States and didn't punish them when all was said and done. Although his Generals wanted to make the Southern States pay. The only real mistakes he made were in appointing dumb ass generals that should have stayed home.

What kind of people?

anarchists and syndicalists. "enemies of humanity", as it were.

Hm...all right. But read, for example, 'The Real Lincoln.'

The one by Thomas DiLorenzo? I have, actually, and it was very interesting and raises some very good points. It was also terribly flawed.

Admittedly, the individual flaws are rather nitpicky. Still, if someone is going to attempt to upset the applecart of history as a historian, they should probably have their basic facts straight, facts like Lincoln was not in the Illinoise state legislature in 1857, Thaddius Stevens was a representative from Pennsylvania, not a senator, and that Lincoln did not push for sending freed slaves to Liberia during the Civil War, but in a speech in 1854. Little inaccuracies like this add up and make me begin to question the credibility of the author. He also showed an appalling lack of respect for his sources for a historian, misquoting and misidentifying many of them.

Like I said, he makes good points, but his sloppy handling of evidence and the basic historical facts make it hard to take any of it seriously.

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The one by Thomas DiLorenzo?

I don't remember the author's name.

anarchists and syndicalists. "enemies of humanity", as it were.

He actually wanted them killed? By the way, what is a 'syndicalist?'

roosevelt to fight the nazis...

Um..wrong Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt (R) came first before WWII and his cousin Franklin Roosevelt (D) fought the Nazis.

Anyway, I chose Reagan. It was the "Scoop" Jackson democrats (neoconservatives) who outlined Reagan and Bush's policies. Neocons were basically liberal on domestic issues and hawkish on foreign policy. Ronald Reagan embodied both traditional conservatism with neoconservatism and inspired a new era of "Reagan Republicans" (Conservative on domestic issues and hawkish on foreign policy). "Reagan Republicanism" now shapes the modern day Republican Party.

Lincoln because he broke the immoral code of slavery.

Lincoln is the best republican president by far. At certian points in history, just about anyone could be president without creating trouble, but there are critical moments where true leadership is needed. Lincoln's success in holding together the nation in its greatest crisis makes him the 'best' president, maybe not my favorite (Teddy was cooler) but definatly the best.

I think Teddy Roosevelt simply because he stuck to his guns and put America in a position to be involved in a positive way in international affairs, also he started and championed many progressive policies that we enjoy today, (environmental protection, the FDA, and meat packing regulation) things that even my libertarian side can appreciate. :)

Eisenhower, not so much for what he did, but for how he led our country during perhaps its best decade ever.

Yeah, the 50's were great!

...unless you were a woman.

Or a black person.

Or anyone who wasn't a male WASP.

If you weren't a male WASP, the 50's kinda sucked, because of that whole "Oppression" thing.

And Lincoln only freed the slaves to keep England out of the war.

I liked Teddy too but I voted Reagan. Teddy helped revive the deer population by allowing controlled hunting.

Theodore Roosevelt -- and they haven't had a good one since and only one before -- Lincoln.

Teddy for style, but otherwise Cool Cal. I still like Ike and Ronnie is a top contender though. The one I think who did best in the situation he was given was Jerry though, he was exactly what the country needed at the time. Greatest potential republican president was Dick, but his potential ammounted to little.

The only two Republicans I even remotely liked were Teddy Roosevelt (who I had mixed feelings about) and Coolidge.

It was tough between Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Reagan.

I picked Coolidge.


my god man we agree on cleveland and coolidge! Whoa! This is great haha

Yes well I select coolidge sure reagan was great but I'd argue that coolidge was even better maybe not a huge hit because he wasn't all over the damn place like reagan he was a quite guy not very involved- hell thats not a bad thing though. And despite popular belief it was not he who caused the depression but hoover he got in and screwed it all up. Reagan can take second. Lincoln I have to agree was no hero when it came to his handling of the major issue he is recognized for and nor was he a great moral hero either on that same issue

my god man we agree on cleveland and coolidge! Whoa! This is great haha

You seem to have good taste in Presidents! ;)

haha indeed we both do!

Close between TR and Lincoln--too bad the Republican party has changed so radically from what their two greatest stood for.

haha indeed we both do!

:D My favorite President is Washington. How about you?

Favorite? My god that is tough! Lots of people say washington. This ones tough really tough uh... I can't decide maybe later I can

george bush sr...anyone with a tax ax is cool

Hmm either Teddy or Lincoln. Tough choice. But this time I went for Teddy. Eisenhower was cool too though. Oh and Nixon did some good things, which was overshadowed by one huge bad event.

I picked Coolidge.
Me too.

Me too.

Ah, a mod- er, man- of good taste! :D

OMG Reagan is beating Roosevelt????

Between the PR drive, can anyone actually remember what Reagan was like???

Workers rights seemed to dissapate after he came to power.

Ah, a mod- er, man- of good taste! :D

yep

He actually wanted them killed? By the way, what is a 'syndicalist?'

"When compared with the suppression of anarchy, every other question sinks into insignificance. The anarchist is the enemy of humanity, the enemy of all mankind; and his is a deeper degree of criminality than any other. No immigrant is allowed to come to our shores if he is an anarchist; and no paper published here or abroad should be permitted circulation in this country if it propagates anarchistic opinions." teddy roosevelt, 1908

a syndicalist is a revolutionary labor unionist who seeks to end capitalism and the wage system through direct action and the general strike. it is a heavily anarchist influenced position, even when it isn't explicitly anarchist. the major syndicalist union in the us, both at the time and currently, is the industrial workers of the world. also known as the wobblies. i'm a somewhat lapsed member. and if you watched 'i love the 90s' on vh1, tom morello was wearing their hat.

"When compared with the suppression of anarchy, every other question sinks into insignificance. The anarchist is the enemy of humanity, the enemy of all mankind; and his is a deeper degree of criminality than any other. No immigrant is allowed to come to our shores if he is an anarchist; and no paper published here or abroad should be permitted circulation in this country if it propagates anarchistic opinions." teddy roosevelt, 1908

a syndicalist is a revolutionary labor unionist who seeks to end capitalism and the wage system through direct action and the general strike. it is a heavily anarchist influenced position, even when it isn't explicitly anarchist. the major syndicalist union in the us, both at the time and currently, is the industrial workers of the world. also known as the wobblies. i'm a somewhat lapsed member. and if you watched 'i love the 90s' on vh1, tom morello was wearing their hat.

Thanks! :)

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OMG Reagan is beating Roosevelt????

Then again, Reagan died recently. TR didn't.

And the American public was treated to a media Reagasm for a whole freaking week too.

On the good side, however, the media fellatio Reagan party did serve to show just how badly Dubya pales by comparison with Reagan.

And the American public was treated to a media Reagasm for a whole freaking week too.

On the good side, however, the media fellatio Reagan party did serve to show just how badly Dubya pales by comparison with Reagan.

Good point! ;)

Don't get me wrong, Roach-Busters. I don't think Reagan was a great president, not even a particularly good one. The long term damage his policies caused more than outweigh any short-term optimism his personal charm brought about. Thanks to Reagan we still have the fallacy of trickle-down economics, the neo-cons were given legitimacy, we supported the people who would eventually become al Qaeda, and we had one of the truly greatest scandals of the last 50 years in Iran-Contra. And don't even get me started on what deregulation did to the S&L industry, and what subsequent deregulation has done to the country as a whole.

And despite all that--Dubya still pales in comparison to Reagan. That should give you some indication of just how bad Dubya is.

Don't get me wrong, Roach-Busters. I don't think Reagan was a great president, not even a particularly good one. The long term damage his policies caused more than outweigh any short-term optimism his personal charm brought about. Thanks to Reagan we still have the fallacy of trickle-down economics, the neo-cons were given legitimacy, we supported the people who would eventually become al Qaeda, and we had one of the truly greatest scandals of the last 50 years in Iran-Contra. And don't even get me started on what deregulation did to the S&L industry, and what subsequent deregulation has done to the country as a whole.

And despite all that--Dubya still pales in comparison to Reagan. That should give you some indication of just how bad Dubya is.

I agree entirely.

Good choices Roach-Buster.

Hmmm....this is very difficult.

I'll have to choose a few. :)

Lincoln

Teddy

Eisenhower

Reagan

Any one of those will work.

Lincoln, Ike, or my buddy RR.

I went with Teddy on this one. His leadership. Amazing.

I'm gunna go Lincoln. Even though that was in the days where republicans were democrats and democrats were republicans.