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The place I live (Vancouver Canada) is already about as socially Liberal as you can find in North America. Some people here dislike that, but not me. In fact I'd like it if we could become even more socially Liberal yet. I admire Western Europe in many ways because it's the most socially Liberal place on earth, but I don't think it's so much better over there that I'd actually want to move there. But if I lived in a more Conservative place than here I definitely would leave it for a place that I'm more socially attuned to.

I don't care what people's general social attitudes are as long as they're tolerant of my views, which would be hard to find on either extreme.

Yes... Canada... I want to move to canada... I'm so very close... yet so very far... everyday I look out my window, across the water and see it taunting me...

AHHHHHH!!

Hey c'mon over!

Too many liberal perverts and other scum where I live. I'm thinking of moving to the pacific northwest region.

If western europe is so liberal then why don't they have gay marragie?

Just a thought...

Canadas good, but our liberal government of french dumbasses screws us over. Stupid people like Pierre Eliiot Trudeau, Jean Cretien and Paul Martin deserve to be dragged into the street and shot for what they do to us here in western canada. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

I once took the online quiz the Canadian government website had set up to determine if you qualify for citizenship based on points. I was like two points away, so if I would just learn French (or, if I remember correctly, any foreign language) fluently, I'd be in! It was rather flattering, but at heart, I'm an American.

Texas is getting too liberal... But pretty much everywhere is liberal to me.

Canadas good, but our liberal government of french dumbasses screws us over. Stupid people like Pierre Eliiot Trudeau, Jean Cretien and Paul Martin deserve to be dragged into the street and shot for what they do to us here in western canada. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

I'm a Westerner, and I have nothing against Trudeau (by far our best and smartest PM ever) or Paul Martin (way, way better than Harper). My country includes Quebec - we are blessed to have them. Go register your guns like you're supposed to, then lock them away - redneck.

I admire Western Europe in many ways because it's the most socially Liberal place on earthIf western europe is so liberal then why don't they have gay marragie?
Define "Western Europe."

Texas is getting too liberal... But pretty much everywhere is liberal to me.


Texas, don't you mean Mexico V (Mexico II "Mexico Jr" is California, and Mexico III is Arizona, Mexico IV is New Mexico, so Texas is Mexico V)

Yup gotta love Canada. Took my family for some salmon fishing and spent some time in vancouver. Grandkids were in the back of the truck when we drove past some park where junkies were doing their thing. The kids asked what those people were doing and I told them. They were a little freaked out by that.

Yeah, we in Vancouver have sort of a live-and-let-live attitude towards open heroin and crack use. Perhaps surprisingly, we actually have much fewer deaths per-capita from these drugs than other similarly-sized cities in North America do. Having to look at a few junkies in a park is a very small price to pay to be rid of all the worse problems and costs accompanying the useless "war-on-drugs" approach other places still have.

I view our approach to drug use as a successful and mature one, although we haven't liberalized our laws nearly enough yet. It's still technically illegal to use any of these drugs, it's just that the police (with most peoples' approval) just turn a blind eye to it and focus instead on more serious crime.

BTW how did you enjoy the salmon fishing?

Gotta love Canada. We're still dragging our feet about that same sex marriage, but here in Ontario, the Supreme Court has already made it's ruling, making it legal. (God bless 'em.) I still dislike some other issues, though. A Conservative party in opposition which has that diabolic agenda for privatized healthcare (ugh!), Star Wars, a Cold War army, yet REDUCED taxes, which would sabitage our social safety net, and with a leader who fails to recognize homosexuals' constitutional rights. That goes along with a French province which has continuously passed that notorious "Sign Law" (signs to be in French, rather than English), unconstitutional as it is... So, overall I'm happy with Canada, but if some of those Conservative ideas go through, we'll be in a lot of trouble... hell, we might as well add blue to our red and white flag in that case.

BTW how did you enjoy the salmon fishing?

Well we went up near the Terrace area, the people were great. Fishing was very nice, caught a 54 lbs spring salmon in the Skeena. Had an incident with your fish and game people. We were camping in a public campground, and at around six in the morning I heard someone or something going through my stuff. I had my knife out ready to pounce, but as soon as I opened the tent to look, they said they were from the fish and game whatever. I asked to see their ID's but they said they didn't have to. So I didn't ask again (to avoid trouble), they demanded to see all of our fishing licenses, which we showed them. They then left without an apology or anything. Just sort of irritated me, but we had a wonderful time and enjoyed our fishing, a little pricey for the licenses but it was worth it.

I'd like to live in a place where sex isn't considered a sin and you don't have to sell your freedom to the boss to survive.

I like where I live. I wouldn't call it liberal, but everyone is very accepting of everybody. We have VERY few racist people around here, there isn't a problem with religion (almost the entire population is Christian and if you aren't Christian nobody cares), and people believe in morals around here. I feel like I fit right in in my town, in my entire state in fact.

Way too Conservative based. What's sad is that it is often just, "My daddy voted Conservative, I will to :)" type of attitude. Especially considering if people stopped and looked they'd find the Conservatives both racist and sexist. But I could care less what other people think or why as long as they don't try getting me to be one as well.

I'd like to live in a place where sex isn't considered a sin and you don't have to sell your freedom to the boss to survive.

Amen...

The place I live (Vancouver Canada) is already about as socially Liberal as you can find in North America. Some people here dislike that, but not me. In fact I'd like it if we could become even more socially Liberal yet. I admire Western Europe in many ways because it's the most socially Liberal place on earth, but I don't think it's so much better over there that I'd actually want to move there. But if I lived in a more Conservative place than here I definitely would leave it for a place that I'm more socially attuned to.
Don't fret about it. The entire West Coast, from Baja California to the Yukon, is pretty liberal. I'd even say that San Fransico is more liberal than Vancouver. I mean, the mayor's office pays for it's employee's transexual surgeries.

The entire West Coast, from Baja California to the Yukon, is pretty liberal.

Well, excluding those parts of California that elected Nixon, Reagan and Ah-nuld. Maybe Northern California and above?

Sometimes I think the West Coast should consider forming its own nation, the way that Chile broke-off from Argentina. Apparently there has been talk of forming a coastal nation called "Cascadia" - I think a web-search of that name might reveal some interesting proposals.

I wonder how many of us Liberal West-Coasters are tired of being held back by the heartland voters who keep electing moron Conservative federal politicians. I would *love* to live in a beautiful nation where the majority of voters are fulltime Liberal/Progressives.

Well, excluding those parts of California that elected Nixon, Reagan and Ah-nuld. Maybe Northern California and above?

Sometimes I think the West Coast should consider forming its own nation, the way that Chile broke-off from Argentina. Apparently there has been talk of forming a coastal nation called "Cascadia" - I think a web-search of that name might reveal some interesting proposals.

I wonder how many of us Liberal West-Coasters are tired of being held back by the heartland voters who keep electing moron Conservative federal politicians.
Nixon and Reagan were quite liberal as governors, and Nixon was a liberal president as well. And you're right, Arnold is more conservative, but why should the northern liberals feel dilluted? California is guranteed to whoever the most liberal candidate on the ballot is. Perhaps California can divide into two states, but neither the US nor the West Coast are interested in seeing a split between the two. After all, state's rights allow Callifornia to implement its own policy, so long as it doesn't interfere with the minimal standards that the Federal Government set, and most importantly, the Consitution.

Nixon and Reagan were quite liberal as governors, and Nixon was a liberal president as well.
They sure weren't Liberal by my (Canadian/Euro) definition of the word. Not even close.
After all, state's rights allow Callifornia to implement its own policy, so long as it doesn't interfere with the minimal standards that the Federal Government set, and most importantly, the Consitution.
I can't help but think of California's attempts to legalise a limited amount of Medical Marijuana for terminally ill folks who really need it - versus the intractible US Feds who are determined to stop California from deviating one inch from the idiotic, inflexible federal "war-on-drugs". I'm sure there are are many examples in the U.S. (like in Canada) of Federal policy over-riding the wishes of local people.

They sure weren't Liberal by my (Canadian/Euro) definition of the word. Not even close.They are to me.

I can't help but think of California's attempts to legalise a limited amount of Medical Marijuana for terminally ill folks who really need it - versus the intractible US Feds who are determined to stop California from deviating one inch from the idiotic, inflexible federal "war-on-drugs". I'm sure there are are many examples in the U.S. (like in Canada) of Federal policy over-riding the wishes of local people.
However, the federal government isn't stopping them from becoming a welfare state, or anything like that. They have an incredible amount of leverage with 54 electoral votes, and 52 seats in Congress. The next largest state, New York, is about half the size, but that's also dominated by liberals.
BTW, the people have spoken in California, and like most Americans, they haven't a clue what they're talking about. In a series of referenda, there's been increased social spending, but less taxes. Even worse, 80% of the budget is outside the government's control.

I always find interesting these liberal-conservative debates on here, as here liberal really does not mean what it seems to mean in the Americas.

Here liberal means is someone in the centre or the centre-right of the political sphere, rather than the left as if often suggested here. A liberal usually believes in the free market etc.

Anyway, as usual I'm completely off the topic! I'm happy to be living where i am, but it's the electorates of countries that should decide their country's path. Of course, in some countries the citizens don't get the opportunity, here we're are very lucky that we do.

I always find interesting these liberal-conservative debates on here, as here liberal really does not mean what it seems to mean in the Americas.

Here liberal means is someone in the centre or the centre-right of the political sphere, rather than the left as if often suggested here. A liberal usually believes in the free market etc.

Anyway, as usual I'm completely off the topic! I'm happy to be living where i am, but it's the electorates of countries that should decide their country's path. Of course, in some countries the citizens don't get the opportunity, here we're are very lucky that we do.
Here, what you call liberal is what we call "classical liberal". I think everyone in the US is brought up that way. The main difference is how we want liberalism to work. So it formed into the Liberal and Conservative camps (notice the capitals). They don't mean the same thing in the capital case.