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Let battle commence - who is the better political analyst?

In my opinion - due to sheer intelligence, usage of fact and ability to execute the usage of these facts seemlessly into his ideology, Noam has to take it.

What Ann Coulter does can actually be counted as analysing? If she were on here, she'd be ridiculed for using dodgy reports and statistics and booted for flaming liberals.

I think Chomsky's chimps are better political analysts than Ann "Let's Make the Moslems Find Jesus" Coulter.

hahaha, nome chompsky is a communist that bases his entire political philosophy on Marx, who as we all know was terribly flawed in his thinking. Coulter may sound like an angry republican from time to time, but her thinking is far more based in fact, not ideology.

Chomsky is a master.

well, it depends. what do we want in an analyst, in-depth examinations of situations and historical trends or whacky antics?

hahaha, nome chompsky is a communist that bases his entire political philosophy on Marx, who as we all know was terribly flawed in his thinking. Coulter may sound like an angry republican from time to time, but her thinking is far more based in fact, not ideology.

Wrong. Chomsky is not a Marxist - He deplores Communism because of its 'the people are too stupid to decide whats right for them' kind of thinking. If he could be defined - he would be defined as a moderate anarchist who does not believe in powerful centralised Government and more localised direct democracy.

Chomsky is a master.

Agreed. He is one of the greatest Political minds of our generation.

Chomsky wins hands-down. Why? Because, unlike certain poll choices, he isn't always angry, has a strategy other than viciously lying about the other side while insulting and offending 90% of the rest of the world, and doesn't have the personality of a dominatrix. Plus, I'm not afraid of him randomly pulling a 50 caliber pistol from under his coat and opening fire on me if I criticize his point of view.

Ann Coulter isn't a political analyst, she's a character assassin.

hahaha, nome chompsky is a communist that bases his entire political philosophy on Marx, who as we all know was terribly flawed in his thinking. Coulter may sound like an angry republican from time to time, but her thinking is far more based in fact, not ideology.
you either dont read coulter (you only have to look at the headlines of her articles to realise the bullshit thats in them) or your a hardcore right winger

Chomsky. Easily.

Chomsky wins hands-down. Why? Because, unlike certain poll choices, he isn't always angry, has a strategy other than viciously lying about the other side while insulting and offending 90% of the rest of the world, and doesn't have the personality of a dominatrix. Plus, I'm not afraid of him randomly pulling a 50 caliber pistol from under his coat and opening fire on me if I criticize his point of view.

You've gotta love Chomsky, thats the thing - once you read his books or listen to him talk you generate an addiction to him. He is so brilliantly unflawed in his reasoning and deploys indisputable historical fact to back up his argument - agree or disagree with his point of view - Chomsky is the best there is, and one of the best ever.

Hahaha, some morons actually voted for Coulter!

Chomsky wins hands-down. Why?

Because a more telling poll would be how many people in these forums are left-wing socialists/communists and will vote for one of their own every time.

Because a more telling poll would be how many people in these forums are left-wing socialists/communists and will vote for one of their own every time.

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http://image.pathfinder.com/time/europe/magazine/2002/0225/chomsky.jpg

I'd love to see him in a debate with Coulter - he wouldn't just destroy her. He would inadvertantly make her commit suicide.

I like Coulter.

http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2003/07/12/mn_circles.jpg

What the Hell was that?

What the Hell was that?

It's my unique and humourous way of tell you to go join the tinfoil hat club. :p

4 Morons so far. Interesting to see how many there are in total.

I'm not a moron, Coulter is the best.

It's my unique and humourous way of tell you to go join the tinfoil hat club. :p
So it's not a picture rather large, poorly wrapped left-overs?

I'm not a moron, Coulter is the best.

Explain your argument in 200 words. Using examples of her achievements both academically, and recognition of her by the academic community.

Chomsky is owning.

Chomsky is owning.
what do you expect? only the hardcore right wingers and/or insane would vote for coulter, she probably coined the phrase democrat, i am more of an analyser than she is

I'm far right wing, and Coulter is really just more conservative than normal not nearly as conservative as I am. Trust me, I know.

Well... Chomsky is owning.

Well... Chomsky is owning.
What a suprise, coming from the same electorate that had Republicans and George Bush as the biggest traitors in US History.

What a suprise, coming from the same electorate that had Republicans and George Bush as the biggest traitors in US History.
Haha, you voted Coulter - you do realise that makes you blind don't you? From any political persuasion people can look past their bias' and see that Coulter is nothing compared to Chomsky. Unfortunately you are Republican.

From any political persuasion

Unfortunately you are Republican.

Now, it may just be me here, but...

Now, it may just be me here, but...

Republican = Extremist Religious Sect.

Now explain why you believe Coulter is better than Chomsky? Does she have a Harvard Education, is she credited with revolutionizing modern linguistics, has she recieved the Kyoto Prize (among others) and has she been called 'the most important intellectual alive'?

Mike Savage has multiple degrees, including a PhD, dosen't he? That dosen't mean he's one of the smartest people alive. From what I've seen from both they both are extreme ideologoues that couldn't argue their way out of a box, I just liked Coulter's political analysis better.

Mike Savage has multiple degrees, including a PhD, dosen't he? That dosen't mean he's one of the smartest people alive. From what I've seen from both they both are extreme ideologoues that couldn't argue their way out of a box, I just liked Coulter's political analysis better.
Simple as this. Your express the opinion of a narrow religious sect - Chomsky will go down in History as one of the greatest Political Minds ever, Coulter will not. And has Savage been credited with revolutionizing his field of work?

God I hate Patriots.

I'm sure you consider yourself rational, after all you're not one of us religious fanatics. Perhaps you could tell me the definition of logical fallacies like ad hominem, strawman, or red herring.

Both crazed loons that espouse, quite frankly, disturbing political views.

But Anne = teh hawt, so she's better :D

Because a more telling poll would be how many people in these forums are left-wing socialists/communists and will vote for one of their own every time.
Maybe someone should do a poll asking who is smarter between Milton Freidman and Micheal Moore.

I'll agree with you if Moore wins.

However the options are flawed, because NWV has hardly chosen the intellectual gem of the right.

Savage has Ph.D's? Do they offer degrees in Homophobic Extreme Nationalism?

Y'know, maybe he got it online. Or at Bob Jones.

However the options are flawed, because NWV has hardly chosen the intellectual gem of the right.

That was kind of..... Oxymoronic and Paradoxical.

Is there a 'Intellectual' of the Right?

And The Republicans will vote for anything with 'Conservative' on it. Put a Republican badge on a Donkey and they will vote for it in America. Because the Donkey is more 'patriotic' than the other candidate.

But Anne = teh hawt
No. Not hot. Intimidating ice-queen. You can only think she's attractive if you had a crush on Jeffrey Dahmer.

That was kind of..... Oxymoronic and Paradoxical.

Is there a 'Intellectual' of the Right?

No idea, which is why I chose Milton Friedman.

But still, it is an unfair contest.

However it depends on your definition of 'right.'

And The Republicans will vote for anything with 'Conservative' on it. Put a Republican badge on a Donkey and they will vote for it in America. Because the Donkey is more 'patriotic' than the other candidate.

Easy, don't choose a republican.

Right winger aren't unique to America.

Hahaha, some morons actually voted for Coulter!
Then why did you make the poll in the first place?

To be honest its a poor choice in competitors. I think Chomsky is better, but simply because his writing is less sensationalist, less aimed at inspiring anger than being a simple academic arguement. Simply because of that, he is better.

A better, more comparative poll would be Micheal Moore vs Ann Coulter

Moore wins. He's never suggested killing all those who oppose him.

true. very true, i've had the pleasure( and great honor) of actually meeting noam in his lectures at the University of Washington. Amazing man. He wins hands down.

(Muslims find Jesus? They already have him. Just not as the son of god.)

true. very true, i've had the pleasure( and great honor) of actually meeting noam in his lectures at the University of Washington. Amazing man. He wins hands down.

(Muslims find Jesus? They already have him. Just not as the son of god.)

Wow, whats he like? (And I'll tell you what George Tenet was like.)

well, he was very well read to say the least, answered my questions and all. He was amazing. put it that way, opened my eyes quite a bit. He put it (he was talking about Manufacturing Consent at the time) in such a way, that i am amazed i didnt realize big control before.

well, he was very well read to say the least, answered my questions and all. He was amazing. put it that way, opened my eyes quite a bit. He put it (he was talking about Manufacturing Consent at the time) in such a way, that i am amazed i didnt realize big control before.

Sounds like a great guy. As for George Tenet - I met him at a Reception in some house in Washington after Clinton gave a speech about Cyprus (1999), my Dad is spokesperson for The Greek Cypriot Lobby in Britain and thats why I got to go. I only spoke to for a bit but he still treated me llike most politicians/high ranking civil servants do to people they don't know. He speaks Greek though and when I spoke to him in Greek he started to lighten up a bit.

ah, Noam was very level with me. I've met Bill Clinton too. Damn good story teller, i tell ya that much.

I've never met either of them, but I've read both there works. Chomsky made me put the book down and think for a few minutes on the deeper meaning of my patriotism (I'm from the US), and why I support the US despite and because what its done. His graceful way of introducing unplesant topics allows even points I deeply disagree with him on go over smoothly.

Coulter made me put down the book and look for a priest. Never have I lost so much faith in humanity as when reading her books...Hateful, disgusting, so much rage and anger that it put a chill in my heart. It makes me shiver to think of it. The bile that comes from those books seems from some strange alternate reality that I shudder to imagine her or those like her in power.

Chomsky is respected if not agreed with; Coulter is akin to reading terrorist threats and calls to jihad from the most extreme of militants. There are many more, well spoken and persuasive "conservitive" voices in the world; why pick Coulter to compare with Chomsky?

no clue, but I agree. It is like comparing a nightengale to a vulture.

ah, Noam was very level with me. I've met Bill Clinton too. Damn good story teller, i tell ya that much.

From interviews I've read he sounds like an unusually tolerant voice of political dissent.

Well, here is the thing, I have to say as a intellectual commentator, Chomsky does win. But if you are looking at the role of a political analyst, I have to say that Anne Colter sets down ideas that more closely reflects American electoral mechanics. What the idealogy you believe is better for the world is your belief, and you may vote for Colter or Chomsky either way. But on the issues that directly excite/repel voters, or on what wording from which speech works/doesn't work, or which initiative was well/poorly received - the kind of "how many % points in which state", rubber-meets-the-road analysis, Colter does better. Chomsky is an academic, almost political philosopher type figure that have very little to do with the actual mechanics of politicking. Perhaps you mean the question in a different way?

I'm not sure putting Noam Chomsky and Ann Coulter in a poll comparing them is actually fair. They are in completely different leagues. It's like saying which is better the horse or the glue... Ann Coulter is simple entertainment. Noam Chomsky on the other hand is a real political scientist he's not a "personality" he's the real thing. Ann Coulter bases her opinions on what she believes, not on what reality is. They are night and day. I can't see how they can even be compared in a fair fashion and in my opinion I think it's an insult to Noam Chomsky quite honestly.

As an political analyst ill take Chomsky any day. Politicaly i dossent rely agree whit him (He´s an anarcist after all) but since he refuces to make an stand for something i respect him as an critisising reporter.

true, coulter does make some swings when it comes to politiking,because her stand harkens to (conservative) voters and brings them in and labasts more democratic/ liberals. it is people like her that can swing an election, because the lesser educated people can understand her and her liberal counter parts a little better. but chomsky takes a little more education to understand and so doesnt reach that wide a range of people. He makes you think about politics on whole and what you understand of your country. Coulter is just another political drumbeater/mudslinger.

I've never read any Chomsky works, but I have read some Ann Coulter articles, and they made me sick.

read Chomsky, it'll open your eyes, but not in such a sick, lie based, and militant fashion.

read Chomsky, it'll open your eyes, but not in such a sick, lie based, and militant fashion.

Well lets face it, if you ever tried to really ask Ann Coulter a serious geo-political question she'd probably look like a dear with her eyes caught in the headlights..

for about one minute....then she'll have that poisonous tongue flailing around spewing the usual toxic waste.

read Chomsky, it'll open your eyes,

An open invitation into the Chomsky cult. The way some people talk so reverantly about Chomsky reminds me of that South Park episode... with the cult... of that magician... and then the Super Best Friends... and Seaman... and a giant statue of John Wilkes Booth...

dont get me wrong sir, i am not in agreement with some bits of what he says. but i like his style, he is more like the slip-in-through-the-back-door type person, not the blare-that-your-opinion-is-wrong-and-you-should-die-if-you-oppose-anything-i-just-said type.

And it will open your eyes. to a different and highly respected point of veiw. also, it does make for good reading and will broaden your base of knowledge. no cult membership required.

Coulter is a bitch.

Moore wins. He's never suggested killing all those who oppose him.
Moore is a traitor.

Moore is a traitor.

It's called freedom of speech, perhaps you've never heard of it?

Noam Chomsky is such a nice guy as well, everytime I email him on a certain Political Subject or asking for advice on a certain topic he is always prepared to help. Would Coulter answer you queries via email?

Coultier and Chomsky simply arent comperable at all on a professional level. Coultier is a pundit, chomsky is not. Coultier Advocates "Action" shomsky does not :D

But to anyone who would interpret this as a partisan poll I invite you to read this article. This is apparently Ann at her worst. http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/072604p.htm

It's called freedom of speech, perhaps you've never heard of it?

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Let's see first what freedom of speech entails...

the [right of the] people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

And let's see what treason and sedition is...

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

Now read that Michael Moore quote again.

Does that really sound like the words of a dissenter? Or does that sound like sedition from a citizen of the United States?

Treason and sedition are victimless crimes.

And how has he adhered to the enemy?

Or maybe he aided or comforted them?

Actually how are the Iraqis who want Iraq to belong to the Iraqis the enemy?

Let's see first what freedom of speech entails...

Freedom of speech entails being allowed to say anything but incitement of violence. Conservatives are a plague upon civil liberties - they wish to make anything that goes against thier idea of 'patriotism' illegal.

I have to ask. If memory serves me rigth Noam Chomsky have got the noble price but i aint sure? Any one knows if he truly got it and in what feld? (He´s an lingvitist from start or?)

Now read that Michael Moore quote again.

Does that really sound like the words of a dissenter? Or does that sound like sedition from a citizen of the United States?
if that is the definition of treason i can start naming government officials who are unarguably guilty of trason