NationStates Jolt Archive

Some people, namely Republicans, seem to find this very simple (at least, simple to me) thing extremely difficult to understand:

You can go to war, and not like it.

I am of course talking about how they claim to see a contradiction (or even a flip-flop) between Kerry going to war in Vietnam, then opposing the war when he came back. Now, either they are extremely simple, (a possibility I have not discounted), or they are deliberately misunderstanding to try and make him seem bad. War isn't the glitz that it seems in the movies, most people who went to Vietnam, or Korea, or were in either of the world wars did not especially want to be there. Does this mean that all of them are hipocrites? No. Does it lessen the achievement of what they did? It does not.

Stay on topic now please, if you attempt to go off the issue, I'm not gonna reply I'm just gonna steer you towards a thread that deals with what you want to talk about.

Finally!

I've been waiting for someone to say that.

Some people, namely Republicans, seem to find this very simple (at least, simple to me) thing extremely difficult to understand:

You can go to war, and not like it.

I am of course talking about how they claim to see a contradiction (or even a flip-flop) between Kerry going to war in Vietnam, then opposing the war when he came back. Now, either they are extremely simple, (a possibility I have not discounted), or they are deliberately misunderstanding to try and make him seem bad. War isn't the glitz that it seems in the movies, most people who went to Vietnam, or Korea, or were in either of the world wars did not especially want to be there. Does this mean that all of them are hipocrites? No. Does it lessen the achievement of what they did? It does not.

Stay on topic now please, if you attempt to go off the issue, I'm not gonna reply I'm just gonna steer you towards a thread that deals with what you want to talk about.

it is how he opposed it not that he did

funny that Kerry/Bush personal military experience is at question

rather than, you know, policy and politics....

;)

it is how he opposed it not that he didOh, it's how he opposed it is it? Right, I mustof missed the part where the conservatives talked about that, cos I've never seen them complain about method.

Is it Jane Fonda that you take issue with? Or the throwing away medals?

Oh, it's how he opposed it is it? Right, I mustof missed the part where the conservatives talked about that, cos I've never seen them complain about method.

Is it Jane Fonda that you take issue with? Or the throwing away medals?

Last I checked, he did not actively do anything with Jane Fonda. If he had, my respect for him would drop considerably.

But other than that, as far as I can tell, he was just demonstrating and protesting, same as anyone else. And he testified before Congress about things they were specifically asking about.

Personally I dont think it's an issue either way. Let's face it if the Democrates ran Jesus Christ the Republicans would have plenty of really nasty things to say about the candidate, and if the Democrates ran a desk as a candidate, Democrates everywhere would run to defend the decision. So far as I can ascertain there is nothing wrong with putting up your hand to serve your country, or finding out that things are not as they should be and doing something about that, so I fail to see why there should be something wrong with doing both these things.

Last I checked, he did not actively do anything with Jane Fonda. If he had, my respect for him would drop considerably.
I just meant the photo with him in the background three rows behind her.

But other than that, as far as I can tell, he was just demonstrating and protesting, same as anyone else. And he testified before Congress about things they were specifically asking about.Do you think then KD4 was objecting to talking to congress and exercising his 1st amendment rights?

(OT: Aren't KD4 bullets also known as "cop-killers"?)

Personally I dont think it's an issue either way. Let's face it if the Democrates ran Jesus Christ the Republicans would have plenty of really nasty things to say about the candidate, and if the Democrates ran a desk as a candidate, Democrates everywhere would run to defend the decision. So far as I can ascertain there is nothing wrong with putting up your hand to serve your country, or finding out that things are not as they should be and doing something about that, so I fail to see why there should be something wrong with doing both these things.
Jesus would make a GREAT Democratic candidate.

I dont find it a strange thing at all. I would hope that anyone of sound mind would have at least some distaste for war having actually been a combatent. Without wanting to stir up all the aryan types out there, it is interesting to note that Hitler was one person who actually enjoyed war and we all know what sort of a sicko he turned into.

Thousands of Vietnam vets came home to a country that was against the war. They told their stories of what had happened and joined the crusade to end the needless conflict. The protestors made their voices heard and helped bring an end to a conflict that even its creators later called unneccesary. We lost tens of thousands of brave men and women in Vietnam. If the protestors cut the Vietnam War short by even one day, they did our country a service.

or they are deliberately misunderstanding to try and make him seem bad.
This is it, debate over. If it was their candidate who did what Kerry did they would be lauding the guy for "standing up for what he believed in every step of the way" (which is what Kerry did).

Thousands of Vietnam vets came home to a country that was against the war. They told their stories of what had happened and joined the crusade to end the needless conflict. The protestors made their voices heard and helped bring an end to a conflict that even its creators later called unneccesary. We lost tens of thousands of brave men and women in Vietnam. If the protestors cut the Vietnam War short by even one day, they did our country a service.

exactly! one of the main reasons the Vietnam war ended was because there was too much dissent from service men. The military force became too unreliable. I wouldn't doubt that Kerry helped to end the war earlier and I am sure that most vets against the war support Kerry on his decision to speak against it. So obviously, there wasn't just a small minority of vets against the war.