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I doubt anything major will happen. I assume that comedians will just be dissapointed that they wont have as many Bushisms to joke about.

I don't think there'll be any change whatsoever.

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It won't be much of a change, but I'll still feel safer.

There will definatly be some changes, how many depends on the thickness of Kerry's spine., But at least he will lift the ban on stem cell research, and maybe he will use his veto a lot like Clinton did to control the Republican House.

I'd say that there would be a difference. He wants to pull our troops in Iraq out immeaditly. Doing this before we completely rebuild thier nation, woud result in the kidnapp/assination/murder of the current government officials, and sombody else in power, somebody like a Saddam loyalist. Then the would would have been for nothing, and all the soldiers that have died would have died in vein.

I'd say that there would be a difference. He wants to pull our troops in Iraq out immeaditly. Doing this before we completely rebuild thier nation, woud result in the kidnapp/assination/murder of the current government officials, and sombody else in power, somebody like a Saddam loyalist. Then the would would have been for nothing, and all the soldiers that have died would have died in vein.

Dude, what are you smoking? Show me one quote when Kerry has said he wants to pull our troops out of Iraq immediately. I think you got him mixed up with Kucinich or something. And if you haven't noticed, they have already been assassinating a couple government officials in Iraq.

It'll make a difference in where the focus is on certain issues, but it will make more of a difference if he gets at least one house of Congress to work with.

Kerry will let tax cuts expire. When the economy waffles he will raise taxes - on everyone - claiming it is needed to stabalize the economy (which is like taking a swim to dry off) Unemployment will rise, business infrastructure investments will come to a standstill. Healthcare sector will crash as he tries to socialize it. By 08 the economy will be a trainwreck

In Iraq not much will change. He may send more troops. It is possible he would put them under the command of a UN general, probably a French one. When US casualties mount (as a result of the inept French leadership) there will be a huge groundswell in the US to leave Iraq. The world will critisize him for abandoning Iraq, but he will. Iraq will become a brutal hell in civil war and social dysfunction.

Kerry will humiliate himself with the european 'allies' when they become even more hatefull of the US and our policies - mostly as a result of his UN debacle in Iraq. (though it will be the UN's fault, he will take the heat for it, as usually happens with America when the UN blows it)

China may attack Taiwan sensing Kerry's weakness. North Korea will march unhindered into South Korea. Hundreds of thousands of Koreans will 'disappear'. Japan may attack North Korea as a result of the invasion.

Tort reform will go by the wayside. As malpractice lawsuits run rampant (75% of OB physicians have been sued already!) Physicians will leave the practice of medicine. Medical costs will skyrocket. Kerry will be unwilling to reform malpractice law, and unable to contain medical costs as a result. Kerry will attempt to socialize medicine by offering government healthcare insurance, but it will fail since it does not address the root of the problem - a critical lack of physicians due to the litigious risks. Mortality rates will rise across the board, particularly among the poor and elderly.

Lawyers will displace physicians as the highest paid career in the US.

Other than that, I can't imagine what may change.

think about it. who creates the vast majority of jobs in america? small bussiness and corperations. yes. well the majority of small bussiness owners and all most all corperations will be getting heavy tax increases under john kerry. I predict that this will hurt the little guy the most, not the rich. The job creation will be brought to a halt. The theory goes in government, if you want less of somthing ( cigarettes?) tax it more. if you want more of somthing ( anything good) tax it less. now, I want more jobs to continue being made, more growth of small bussiness, more money in the hands of the people. logic says to tax it less. but mr. kerry wants to raise taxes on the top 2%. that is the exact thing that kills a recovery.

Kerry will let tax cuts expire. When the economy waffles he will raise taxes - on everyone - claiming it is needed to stabalize the economy (which is like taking a swim to dry off) Unemployment will rise, business infrastructure investments will come to a standstill.

And the Republicans will claim it is all due to Kerry's policies, even though they usually put long time periods on any "good" Republican policies.

China may attack Taiwan sensing Kerry's weakness. North Korea will march unhindered into South Korea. Hundreds of thousands of Koreans will 'disappear'. Japan may attack North Korea as a result of the invasion.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Tort reform will go by the wayside. As malpractice lawsuits run rampant (75% of OB physicians have been sued already!) Physicians will leave the practice of medicine. Medical costs will skyrocket. Kerry will be unwilling to reform malpractice law, and unable to contain medical costs as a result. Kerry will attempt to socialize medicine by offering government healthcare insurance, but it will fail since it does not address the root of the problem - a critical lack of physicians due to the litigious risks. Mortality rates will rise across the board, particularly among the poor and elderly.

Of course, you forget that the president doesn't make laws and the veto is used *very* rarely. Tort reform is a huge issue in a Republican congress right now. Unless there is also a change of guard in congress, I wouldn't expect tort reform to "go by the wayside."

As for my personal opinion, there will still be lots of stuff to complain about. Kerry will do things I hate, but at least they will be new things rather than more of the old. And Kerry will have to worry about reelection, so he won't be able to run too rampant.

does anyone know when the last recession began? when bush's dad ganged up with the democrats to raise taxes. also, remember when the economy went into recession? the month bush took office. rememebr when bush was first allowed to make a budget to change that ( by law)? august.

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now, can anyone tell me if my post titled "watch the economy tank" does not make sense?

think about it. who creates the vast majority of jobs in america? small bussiness and corperations. yes. well the majority of small bussiness owners and all most all corperations will be getting heavy tax increases under john kerry. I predict that this will hurt the little guy the most, not the rich. The job creation will be brought to a halt. The theory goes in government, if you want less of somthing ( cigarettes?) tax it more. if you want more of somthing ( anything good) tax it less. now, I want more jobs to continue being made, more growth of small bussiness, more money in the hands of the people. logic says to tax it less. but mr. kerry wants to raise taxes on the top 2%. that is the exact thing that kills a recovery.

I must ask, since when are most small business owners part of the top 2% of this country?

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/taxes/tax-relief.html

look carefuly at the data. in the second topic discussed the fact that 80% of bush's tax relief goes to small bussiness is evident. if kerry want to "roll back the bush tax cuts" as he says almost every day he will, that means 80% of his tax increase will hit small bussiness owners. most of them are in that top 2% bracket that makes 150 grand per year or more. never mind taxes on the bussiness itself.

what better way to improve the economy than to increase taxes on the thing that makes 3/4 of the jobs. Kerry is going to tank the economy.

104 million individuals and families will receive an average tax increase of $1,040.
Nearly 43 million married couples will receive an average income tax increase of about $1,720.
Over 38 million filers with children will receive an average income tax increase of $1,460.
Over 10 million single mothers with children will lose , on average, $770 more of their income.
About 13 million seniors will see their taxes increased, on average, by $915.
i cant wait....

104 million individuals and families will receive an average tax increase of $1,040.
Nearly 43 million married couples will receive an average income tax increase of about $1,720.
Over 38 million filers with children will receive an average income tax increase of $1,460.
Over 10 million single mothers with children will lose , on average, $770 more of their income.
About 13 million seniors will see their taxes increased, on average, by $915.
i cant wait....

I think you guys are taking this whole rolling back the tax cuts thing too far. Kerry isn't talking about a complete, across the board roll back.Though that seems like the picture you want to paint.

"You've heard a lot of false charges about this in recent months," Kerry said about the criticism of his plan. "So let me say straight out what I will do as president: I will cut middle-class taxes. I will reduce the tax burden on small business. And I will roll back the tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals who make over $200,000 a year, so we can invest in health care, education and job creation."

http://www.inc.com/criticalnews/articles/200407/kerry.html

how will he do that. lets roll the numbers. he wants to cut the defecit in half, or so i heard in his convention speech, and so, even if he does not increase spending ( which he will have to in order to do all of the new projects he wants with education, medicare) that is 210 billion dollars of tax increase there. so, he will be taxing 210 billion dollars more + whatever the cost of his spending increases are completely on the top 2%. lets see, 282 million americans, divided by 50 ( to get 2 percent) is about 5.6 million people. so thats an average of 37 thousand per person in that bracket before he even starts spending more which could double that figure. nothing like good old income redistribution eh? and that money could be spent on creatign jobs that pay middle income people or buy products which help the companies we work for. but no, under kerry it will go to the government for programs. some plan....

Kerry's promises:

"I will make the women of America more attractive, I will make the men more compassionate. I will fix every leaky faucet. trees will be greener, clouds will be more fluffy. I have a plan to reduce childhood obesity and increase life expectancy (but it is a secret plan, I'll tell you after I'm elected)

I will make all cars run efficiently on grass clippings with zero emissions. I will cure mental illness. I will bake a cake for every american faimly once a month, in alphatetical order, with weekends off.

I will raise minimum wage to a million dollars an hour and cut medical costs to zero. I will reduce the workweek to three days with five hour workdays. I will make contact with extraterrestials who already know the cure to cancer...


Maybe he didn't promise all those things, but he did offer the same plan to achieve his goals... (that is, none)

But lest not forget his strongest platform piece yet - he will not be Bush - he will only act like him.

A pretty good article that helps clear up all this nonsense being spewed about Kerry killing the economy...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4588795/

Small businesses drawn into political debate
Data dispute Bush's claim on effect of Kerry policy

"But data from the Internal Revenue Service and the Census Bureau suggest the vast majority of small businesses provide their owners with incomes far below the $200,000-a-year mark where Kerry says he would begin eliminating tax cuts."

"The only problem is that most companies in the small-business world are so-called Main Street businesses with 10 or fewer employees, including restaurants, small retailers and small manufacturers, Census and IRS data show."

"Their profits fall into a median range of $40,000 and $60,000, according to the National Federation of Independent Business, a leading advocate of the small-business community. That puts them just above U.S. median household income of $42,409."

"These are not rich people," said NFIB researcher Bruce Phillips. "Changing the tax cut for the wealthiest Americans, for the most part, doesn't apply to our membership."

"Federal government statistics credit small businesses with three-quarters of the 3.4 million new jobs in 2000."

"The Washington-based Tax Policy Center says 30 percent of Bush tax-cut benefits will ultimately go to the top 1 percent tax bracket, where annual incomes start at $257,000 and average $1.3 million, based on 2000 figures."

"But even among small businesses incorporated under subchapter-S of the IRS tax code, which Bush cited repeatedly in his warnings about taxing "the rich," the majority of enterprises generate income well below those levels."

"Most companies in corporate America are S-corporations, which funnel profits to shareholders as personal income, according to the IRS."

"Many S-corporations are too large to have dealings with the U.S. Small Business Administration. But IRS estimates still showed that 73 percent of their returns listed income of $100,000 or less in 2000. In fact, the majority -- 55 percent -- showed income of $50,000 or less, IRS data show."

Bottom Line = Kerry will not be hurting small business like the pro-Bush crowd would like you to think.

how will he do that. lets roll the numbers. he wants to cut the defecit in half, or so i heard in his convention speech, and so, even if he does not increase spending ( which he will have to in order to do all of the new projects he wants with education, medicare) that is 210 billion dollars of tax increase there. so, he will be taxing 210 billion dollars more + whatever the cost of his spending increases are completely on the top 2%. lets see, 282 million americans, divided by 50 ( to get 2 percent) is about 5.6 million people. so thats an average of 37 thousand per person in that bracket before he even starts spending more which could double that figure. nothing like good old income redistribution eh? and that money could be spent on creatign jobs that pay middle income people or buy products which help the companies we work for. but no, under kerry it will go to the government for programs. some plan....

in effect a kerry presidency would have one beneficial effect. young partisan americans would stop nit picking at or hating their government if he were the leader of it. the far left would stop caring about talking down the economy, stop moaning about how bad the country is, stop whining about the inner city poor, all because the executive branch is ran by a different man even if nothing changes at all from right now, the people who talk down the country's goodness now will begin to love america again.

how will he do that. lets roll the numbers. he wants to cut the defecit in half, or so i heard in his convention speech, and so, even if he does not increase spending ( which he will have to in order to do all of the new projects he wants with education, medicare) that is 210 billion dollars of tax increase there. so, he will be taxing 210 billion dollars more + whatever the cost of his spending increases are completely on the top 2%. lets see, 282 million americans, divided by 50 ( to get 2 percent) is about 5.6 million people. so thats an average of 37 thousand per person in that bracket before he even starts spending more which could double that figure. nothing like good old income redistribution eh? and that money could be spent on creatign jobs that pay middle income people or buy products which help the companies we work for. but no, under kerry it will go to the government for programs. some plan....

No offense, but I'm pretty sure Kerry's plan to reduce the defecit doesn't involve math like your example.

I'd say that there would be a difference. He wants to pull our troops in Iraq out immeaditly.
When you don't have anything to say, just make shit up

Kerry has never said that.

Not much will change.

For the better:

Middle class tax cuts.
Keep a very watchful eye on our borders.
No more funny looking Nader guy on the news.

Maybe better may be worse:

Gay civil unions or marriages.
Better healthcare payed for by me and you.
No more Bush.

For the worse:

Goes against my party: Libertarian
We have to look at this guy's face for 4 to 8 years.
Taxes will be a little higher maybe.

He wants to pull our troops in Iraq out immeaditly. Doing this.....woud result in the kidnapp/assination/murder of the current government officials.The rebels are already kidnaping ang killing like if it was an all-u-can-eat chinese buffet...

in effect a kerry presidency would have one beneficial effect. young partisan americans would stop nit picking at or hating their government if he were the leader of it. the far left would stop caring about talking down the economy, stop moaning about how bad the country is, stop whining about the inner city poor, all because the executive branch is ran by a different man even if nothing changes at all from right now, the people who talk down the country's goodness now will begin to love america again.

This is your stereotypical right-wing response when someone presents facts that contradicts your argument. Rather than continue the discussion, maybe point out some facts or present a logical arguement, its go straight to the far left hates America cracks. Apparently I was mislead into thinking you were someone capable of a rational discussion of the topic.

In this case, the claim was Kerry will be bad for the economy because he will hurt small business. I have provided information that Kerry actually plans to continue helping small business and thus improve the economy. Apparently you've run out of statements to defend your position...

there will be a difference or many differences made, all or mostly negative ones. Anybody but kerry!